It’s really crazy that a month into training camp, Barkley, Golladay, Rudolph, Toney, and Ross haven’t played (or played on an extremely limited basis). Just nuts. It’s the same offense from last year with those players out. And here we’re expecting the offense to improve…
they gave up like 500 points last year. Miller being back helps, but they are not a great unit.
They have an elite secondary, arguably better than our own... and 2 absoulte monsters off the edge in Von Miller and Bradley Chubb... forget about last year
I would say a lot of the Denver D hype is projection..
(assuming he is healthy) helps a lot, but why would we just discount last year. Their secondary was "theoretically' great last year but they got torched all year. Sounds to me like they were a product of the pass rush. So if our line holds up, we should be able to do some business. Of course, that will be the question all season.
(assuming he is healthy) helps a lot, but why would we just discount last year. Their secondary was "theoretically' great last year but they got torched all year. Sounds to me like they were a product of the pass rush. So if our line holds up, we should be able to do some business. Of course, that will be the question all season.
The Bronco secondary didn’t get torched all year last season. They finished basically middle of the league, with pass defensive stats very similar to NY Giants, Did our secondary get torched all year?
(assuming he is healthy) helps a lot, but why would we just discount last year. Their secondary was "theoretically' great last year but they got torched all year. Sounds to me like they were a product of the pass rush. So if our line holds up, we should be able to do some business. Of course, that will be the question all season.
The Bronco secondary didn’t get torched all year last season. They finished basically middle of the league, with pass defensive stats very similar to NY Giants, Did our secondary get torched all year?
It did. Which was the main reason that we added Jackson. We had a liability on one side of the field the entire season. Not only that, but Graham had to scheme by using zone to avoid putting CB2 on an island - not to mention having no answer when Bradberry missed a game.
It’s really crazy that a month into training camp, Barkley, Golladay, Rudolph, Toney, and Ross haven’t played (or played on an extremely limited basis). Just nuts. It’s the same offense from last year with those players out. And here we’re expecting the offense to improve…
Wow such incredible insight. Thank you for pointing that out. I appreciate you adding value to today's thread.
who knows how good miller will be and Surtain hasn't played a down. They "should" be better, but just like we don't get to say the Giants offense will be good with the additions, we shouldn't in the same breath say that Denver will have a good defense.
Agree with those points but that isn’t being torched.
answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
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Joe Judge said the focus in practices with the Patriots will be third down, red zone and two minute drill. #Giants
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Joe Judge: Saquon Barkley will be at practice on Thursday and will be wearing a non-contact red jersey. He is missing today due to a personal matter. Kyle Rudolph will work in individual drills this week as he works his way back.
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Kadarius Toney and Kenny Golladay will work with trainers today, as they have been.
Nate Solder will practice on a limited basis. #Giants
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Joe Judge: Physical contact of some kind will be necessary for Saquon Barkley before he plays a regular season game. What that contact will be and how he gets it will be decided.
answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
That said, the Denver defense doesn't have to be as good or better than the Giants defense. It just has to be better than the Giants Offense.
answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
Well, they were pretty awful in rushing defense and gave up a whole lot of touchdowns on the ground, so maybe take a look there.
Very few teams would ever say they are happy with their secondary, and the targeting of Surtain was because he was one of the best defensive players in the entire draft. Who couldn’t use him?
I do agree though that it is difficult to predict how will a defense will perform year to year. Far less predictable than the Offense imv. I think we have a better defense too.
is ridiculous. Writing about each int or TD as if it s areal game. Its a practice. We don't know what the offense or defense is trying to work on, or what the staff is trying to figure out. It's meaningless yet they report it like its a real game. All it does is get fans riled up (if its a bad tweet) or fired up (if its a good one).
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CB Madre Harper is participating after injuring his groin Sunday. CB Josh Jackson remains on the side with a calf injury. Don’t see DL Danny Shelton, who missed Sunday’s game with an undisclosed injury.
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Andrew Thomas has been really strong in those drills so far. Giants need him to be their best o-lineman this season. Seems like he could be.
RE: RE: Asshat alert- take it with a grain of salt
answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
The Giants spent a few mill on Jackson. Does that mean you think Giants being a top 5-10 defense is a projection?
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BIG fight between Giants D line and Patriots O line, went to the ground. Ximines and Odenigbo at bottom of pile. Judge and Belichick making them run. Judge not happy at all #Giants
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Massive pileup fight w Giants d line and Pats o line. Leonard Williams was in the middle of it. Both units now taking a lap.
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Was just a pile up between #Giants D-Line and Patriots O-Line. Had to be separated. Leonard Williams came up with his helmet off.
Both entire units had to run laps.
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Giants DL and Patriots OL sent on laps after a fight during 1-on-1’s. Didn’t see what started it but other reporters spotted Dexter Lawrence in the middle of it.
So what is the prognosis for a torn patella tendon? Is it season ending, 4 weeks, or something else? Does anyone know?
I just read it is surgery and 4-6 months before athletic activities. Obviously, everything described as a tear is not necessarily the same level of damage.
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Additions: Patrick Surtain, Von Miller, Kyle Fuller…
In addition to all-pro Bradley Chubb from last year.
Chubb isn't All Pro. Fuller also has not been a great corner for a couple years now. Miller is great but he's coming off a serious injury. Surtain is a rookie and they usually struggle. Not all concrete situations no matter how you look at it. It's "what if's".
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Shane Lemieux doesn’t appear to be out here as of yet. Kenny Wiggins running in his place again.
Lemieux hasn’t had many full practice sessions in camp, which isn’t ideal. #Giants
I guess Wiggins is next man up if Lemieux can’t go, but they have about 4 backup LG candidates. I’m surprised Wiggins has been able to hold them off so far. Maybe Larsen will edge him out.
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Nate Solder just took a real live rep at right tackle with Mike Glennon at QB. First time we have seen Solder in any live contact in a long while since that apparent shoulder injury #Giants
answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
Well, they were pretty awful in rushing defense and gave up a whole lot of touchdowns on the ground, so maybe take a look there.
Very few teams would ever say they are happy with their secondary, and the targeting of Surtain was because he was one of the best defensive players in the entire draft. Who couldn’t use him?
I do agree though that it is difficult to predict how will a defense will perform year to year. Far less predictable than the Offense imv. I think we have a better defense too.
This is why you need to watch the games, the Broncos offense was completely inept last year and often put the defense in awful positions game in game out. Chubb missed the last few games and they were awful in that span. They were missing their best player all year and added a ton of secondary talent to a defensive guy that is a wizard with secondary play. They also play in a very good division offensively.
I do believe we should be running the fuck out of the ball against them, that's their weak spot, but the Broncos defense is going to be top 5 this year if they stay healthy in key spots.
Losing an elite player at an elite positional value spot is going to have really negative effects. Chubb is good, but he's not on Von Miller's level. I do like the matchup for us though because we are going to be a tough out on the ground for everyone this year.
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Daniel Jones had started off well but just forced a bad pass into double coverage for an easy interception by Kyle Dugger. Intended for Darius Slayton. #Giants
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Sterling Shepard appeared to grab his right shin and was in some pain after a run block. Will monitor.
Dexter Lawrence labored off after hitting the ground inside on one play, unsure what happened. Still on sideline. #Giants
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Pats 2:00 drill aided by D holding against Darnay Holmes and nice over-shoulder catch from James White against Blake Martinez. They kick a field goal.
Lorenzo Carter was in the backfield early in drive, might not have been a sack but would have affected the completion.
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Mac Jones & Patriots 1st team offense just marched right down the field on Giants’ defensive starters and clocked it for a field goal. Jones was 5 for 5, picked on Darnay Holmes, who allowed at least one completion and had a DPI. Back shoulder to James White be Martinez set up FG
Guys on Patriots radio discussing Giants O in practice:
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Daniel Jones & Giants offense get a long Graham Gano FG thru after being held to 3-for-6, all short completions, one a sack I think. Two short to Slayton, one to Board. A drop by Griffin-Stewart #Giants
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Giants 2:00 drill a mess. Drop by Griffin-Stewart, incompletion to Haussmann. Of course if G-S and Hausmann are playing in a real 2:00 drill…
Anyway, Gano bails them all out with a 54y FG.
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I have Daniel Jones at 7 of 11 with an interception to start out in 11 on 11s. #Giants
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Joe Judge calling his offense together after a red zone period, gave them a talk with about half hour left in practice #Giants
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Jabrill Peppers walking off the field with a trainer. He does have a tendency to cramp up, though unclear if that’s what happened here yet. #Giants
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Mac Jones is picking apart the #Giants secondary in team drills. Not sure if he has an incompletion yet today.
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Trent Brown dominating on this drive at right tackle. Won vs Ojulari. Then tossed Ximines around. Patriots false start, but then a huge completion from Mac Jones to Jonnu Smith with Logan Ryan trailing
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Nate Solder and left guard Ted Larsen also getting some live snaps now next to each other with Daniel Jones
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Jones & first team O worked on a couple designed non-RB runs on last drive. Jones 1 for 3 on throws I think. A pressure that flushed him on another.
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O line gave Jones lots of time in 11s. Jones tucked and ran a few times, tried to hit Slayton deep on another and, well, you know.
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Peppers coming back onto field
RE: Guys on Patriots radio discussing Giants O in practice:
Not very impressive.
Said our D versus Pat's Offense: much more competitive.
When you look at the guys who are actually practicing, then yes, today’s performance isn’t very impressive. Zolack (assuming he’s part of radio team) is a tool.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
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Ryan Santoso just boomed two field goals. Judge was spotted shaking Belichick’s pockets trying to jar a 2023 seventh-rounder loose.
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Patriots have been making their field goals: but Ryan Santoso — whom Giants are lobbying for a job elsewhere — just made two straight from deep with Bill Belichick looking on #Giants #Patriots
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Wouldn’t want to be in Joe Judge’s corrections meeting tonight. Today hasn’t been good enough #Giants
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Both Peppers and Clement came back out. Peppers, who has a history of cramping, is back in drills.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Amazing- based on the previous tweets I thought Shepard was done. Jones throwing to Hausmann and others with first team O, but we will hear about how they struggled.
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Mac Jones with an absolute bomb TD on corner route to Jakobi Meyers w/ Adoree Jackson & Darnay Holmes beaten. Jackson & Meyers both slow to get up. Jackson now on bench with left shoe off having his foot looked at by trainers… as James White makes about his 7th catch on Martinez
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According to sources: The Giants beat reporters have also looked outmatched early on in these joint sessions vs the Patriots.
Paul Schwartz: 12:00 pm
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Giants starting offense (minus several key weapons) looks quite bad today vs. Patriots.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Ridiculous. So in 3 minutes we went fro bad to good? I'm tired of the knee jerk reporting on every little aspect of "practice"
Patriots have been a very serious team in their first
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Giants starting offense (minus several key weapons) looks quite bad today vs. Patriots.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Ridiculous. So in 3 minutes we went fro bad to good? I'm tired of the knee jerk reporting on every little aspect of "practice"
The offense didn't look good trying to drive the field.
They scored TDs in the red zone drill,which I believe starts on the six yard line.
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Practice completed.
Joe Judge take his team to the far field to “run the hill.”
A New England tradition.
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Judge putting players through sprints on Belichick’s infamous hill. Expect to see a similar hill in East Rutherford in the future.
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CB Adoree Jackson appeared to grab at his ankle after a play in live drills. Now with practice over he hobbled onto a cart and takes the ride inside. #Giants
RE: why do I keep reading about this great Denver D
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That was a rough practice for the Giants. The best quarterback on the field this afternoon (for one day at least) was Mac Jones. Had his way with the Giants defense. #Giants #Patriots
reporting what they see. It’d be one thing if someone was watching practice and had an alternative view.
If the team looks bad and outmatched in joint practices, I want the reporters to tell me that. Further, I’m not so sure why this is hard to believe given how the giants have been routinely outmatched during Gettleman’s tenure.
Hopefully they show improvement tomorrow and on Sunday and can get ready to start the season off in a big way with 3 games vs teams with losing records last year before the schedule gets hard.
Is a walking injury report on his own. Bad move signing so many questionable injury types. He had two foot injuries in 2019 and a knee in 2020. Now he's limping off again and people are surprised? Lower body injuries lead to more lower body injuries, guys don't magically get better and stop being constantly hurt. An ACL tear is one thing, but multiple leg injuries never spell good news.
for out smarting the league hiding starters from preseason.
You do realize that the physicality of these joint sessions is exactly why Judge decided to rest the starters this past week, right? I’m guessing based on your stupid ass post that you hadn’t even given that a much thought…
Is a walking injury report on his own. Bad move signing so many questionable injury types. He had two foot injuries in 2019 and a knee in 2020. Now he's limping off again and people are surprised? Lower body injuries lead to more lower body injuries, guys don't magically get better and stop being constantly hurt. An ACL tear is one thing, but multiple leg injuries never spell good news.
Agreed. If Vrabel was no longer interested in AJ, it should have been a reddish flag. Apparently they feel good with Fulton and Jackrabbit at corner with Farley coming back after opting out in '20. Farley was their first round pick in '20. So they have pieces there to very likely replace AJ without missing a beat.
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Practice completed.
Joe Judge take his team to the far field to “run the hill.”
A New England tradition.
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Judge putting players through sprints on Belichick’s infamous hill. Expect to see a similar hill in East Rutherford in the future.
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CB Adoree Jackson appeared to grab at his ankle after a play in live drills. Now with practice over he hobbled onto a cart and takes the ride inside. #Giants
We had a hill in HS and getting told to "run hills" was the height of punishment for the football and lax teams I was on. Funny enough, the track guys, who weren't considered the highest on our school's contrived athlete totem pole, did them as a regular part of their conditioning.
Doesn't sound, but the injuries are more important
than how the offense performs in a practice session without Barkley and Golladay.
I don't want to be one of those guys, but it really does seem like today's players get injured awhole lot more than even when I was a kid in the 90's. Just incredible.
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Daniel Jones: Offense was up and down at practice, we had to fight through it. There were some things we did well and others we need to clean up.
Anyone intimating that Mac Jones is better than Daniel Jones, minus just about every weapon he has, is just an idiot. You can't possibly know this. Did he have a better day? Yeah and it means nothing...
Is a walking injury report on his own. Bad move signing so many questionable injury types. He had two foot injuries in 2019 and a knee in 2020. Now he's limping off again and people are surprised? Lower body injuries lead to more lower body injuries, guys don't magically get better and stop being constantly hurt. An ACL tear is one thing, but multiple leg injuries never spell good news.
Agreed. If Vrabel was no longer interested in AJ, it should have been a reddish flag. Apparently they feel good with Fulton and Jackrabbit at corner with Farley coming back after opting out in '20. Farley was their first round pick in '20. So they have pieces there to very likely replace AJ without missing a beat.
Who says he didn't? They had serious salary-cap concerns.
Well, if reports are accurate, Mac Jones would have looked better
And who the fucj is he even really throwing to? Patriots don't have any stud receivers... imagine if they get a true WR1 for him. I think they should start him over Cam week 1.
Titans pass defense without Jackson was disgusting bad. But drafting an injured kid and signing Jackrabbbit in 2021 is the solution to some poster here. Genius.
Also, kind of funny how everybody was ripping the 49ers for potentially picking Mac Jones. He's always had the tools. But everyone is in love with the mobile QB, you're stuck in 1997 if you don't have one!
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I'm told Giants CB Adoree Jackson did suffer a sprained ankle in coverage late in today's practice when he went up and landed awkwardly.
The Giants are cautiously optimistic that Jackson's injury will not cost him significant time, per source. He'll undergo further testing.
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Obviously, there's no way of knowing how the ankle injury for Adoree Jackson will affect his status for Week 1. They'll get him further tested when the swelling subsides, and reassess after that.
Would expect Rodarius Williams to play out there with Julian Love mixed in Sunday.
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#Giants Sills nice contested catch and an great double move to create 5 yds of space in 1 on 1s
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#Giants Rudolph fared well in limited reps
..Slayton star of the day, made plays im each session despite having to take a short break
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#Giants Griffin-Stewart lunging double-tip to himself as the catch of the day
I wasn't too high on Mac Jones coming into the draft - as immobile as he is he is going to have to be really smart and accurate to succeed. It's obviously very early but he looks the part.
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Update on #Giants CB Adoree Jackson: I'm told his ankle injury doesn't look bad. He hasn't even been ruled out of tomorrow's practice vs. #Patriots. That would be a relief.
And who the fucj is he even really throwing to? Patriots don't have any stud receivers... imagine if they get a true WR1 for him. I think they should start him over Cam week 1.
BB did invest in some very good second tier receivers in the free agent pool this offseason - Bourne, Agholor, Henry and Smith. I think perhaps he over paid a bit, but that's a lot of new faces who can make plays.
New England's OL is going to be great if they stay healthy. That is going to be huge. And they have a deep stable of versatile RBs.
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#Giants Cole made a contested grab and emticed the CB into a pass inter flag in 1 on 1s
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Giants offense was "sporadic", that would be normal for them. It doesn't mean that much, so I am kinda joking...
I am more curious how much starters play in final
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Update on #Giants CB Adoree Jackson: I'm told his ankle injury doesn't look bad. He hasn't even been ruled out of tomorrow's practice vs. #Patriots. That would be a relief.
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I would save him for Week 1 at this point.
No reason to rush him back now.
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According to sources: The Giants beat reporters have also looked outmatched early on in these joint sessions vs the Patriots.
with Lemieux (asshat report not withstanding) would like some info, but Judge doesn’t talk about injuries and the beats are too incompetent to ask.
I was wondering if it's the same knee he had been resting before. Maybe he had a partial tear that didn't show up on imaging, that has now gotten worse. For the moment, tho, we don't have confirmation of an injury.
I wasn't too high on Mac Jones coming into the draft - as immobile as he is he is going to have to be really smart and accurate to succeed. It's obviously very early but he looks the part.
Same here. But with the quality of that OL - and I think it's going to be a top fiver - MJ is in the best environment to succeed.
You know, if Cam is healthy, BB is just the type of madman genius who could set the entire year up going Quarterback by Committee.
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According to sources: The Giants beat reporters have also looked outmatched early on in these joint sessions vs the Patriots.
That's awesome. I was just recently thinking that someone should put together an NFL beat reporter ranking.
quality of the OL can significantly affect QB effectiveness?
And vice versa.
The quality of the QB effects the OL significantly?? You sure about that? I doubt there are very good OL's made to look bad because of the QB - but then again - you have to say that to continue the narrative, no?
I'm learning that the posters accusing others of continuing a narrative are usually just pushing one of their own.
If you don't think a quarterback with poor pocket awareness doesn't make an offensive lineman's life more difficult I don't know what to tell you. You should probably stop complaining about narratives and just watch more football and try to get smarter. Or just drop your narrative that the Giants aren't as bad as they've been showing us these past few years.
poor pocket awareness doesn't make things harder. I'm struggling to find many times when a good OL is hampered by a bad QB, to the point where they play poorly.
It is usually recognized as poor play by the QB.
I'd suggest you stop making all sins of the past the sins of the future and watch football and get smarter.
Instead of pigeon-holing every situation into being a criticism of the QB.
The OL didn't do that great opening up holes for RB's either, but in your world, the narrative is that Jones caused that, along with causing WR's to not get separation and dropping passes too. Narratives, they are.
The OL didn't do that great opening up holes for RB's either, but in your world, the narrative is that Jones caused that, along with causing WR's to not get separation and dropping passes too. Narratives, they are.
That's false and you know it. The "narrative" has been that Jones, despite deficiencies around him, should have been able to do better with better decision making, ball protection, and pocket awareness.
For some inexplicable reason you don't think the 6th pick in any different in expectations than the 66th pick or the even 166th pick. Which I have always found very strange for someone has smart as you...
The QB was poor. The OL was poor. The skill position players were poor. The scheme was poor.
My first question after 2020 was "Why are we bringing back Gettleman, Garrett, and Jones after they combined to put together one of the worst Giant offenses in recent memory?"
Still don't have a good answer to that question. Still don't know why we should expect them to be good in 2021. Just... because?
The QB was poor. The OL was poor. The skill position players were poor. The scheme was poor.
My first question after 2020 was "Why are we bringing back Gettleman, Garrett, and Jones after they combined to put together one of the worst Giant offenses in recent memory?"
Still don't have a good answer to that question. Still don't know why we should expect them to be good in 2021. Just... because?
Well, Mara obviously thought there was a talent issue. The strategy was to be aggressive in FA/draft to try and improve the offensive talent. Golladay, Toney, Rudolph & the return of Barkley is why Gettleman/Garrett are getting another swing at this. As for the OL, it was an emphasis on coaching with Sale & Flaherty brought in.
There is a lot of risk with the above, but that is what the Giants are banking on. I don’t think Garrett has a long leash, and I think Jones is out after the season with a subpar season.
On another note, Duggan wrote a great article in the athletic today about Judge learning from Belichick. As part of the training, there was a lot of emphasis on team building. Golladay scares me because of his injury history, we’ll see.
All to say, the Giants weren’t sitting on their hands just hoping the offense improves. A lot of resources have been put into it with skill players and hopefully improved coaching on the OL.
Because Jones has a good chance to get better with more experience
The QB was poor. The OL was poor. The skill position players were poor. The scheme was poor.
My first question after 2020 was "Why are we bringing back Gettleman, Garrett, and Jones after they combined to put together one of the worst Giant offenses in recent memory?"
Still don't have a good answer to that question. Still don't know why we should expect them to be good in 2021. Just... because?
Gettleman puzzles me. Jones was brought back because they were not in a position to land someone demonstrably better in the short term. Why draft a QB who is not an improvement now versus potentially getting an improvement later and having this year’s first to add talent around whomever is the QB? If you take a QB at #11 you are definitely foregoing anyone in 2022 and likely foregoing in 2023. When they decided that there was nobody worth taking over Jones they brought back Garrett so Jones would have some continuity. That being said, with the move of Kitchens I think Garrett is on a short leash.
The QB was poor. The OL was poor. The skill position players were poor. The scheme was poor.
My first question after 2020 was "Why are we bringing back Gettleman, Garrett, and Jones after they combined to put together one of the worst Giant offenses in recent memory?"
Still don't have a good answer to that question. Still don't know why we should expect them to be good in 2021. Just... because?
Not a big fan of yours, but I can't disagree here. He's botched 3 top 6 picks in a row and invested in injury prone edge players because he finally admitted it's a passing league. The problem is our passer stinks and so does the OC.
The QB was poor. The OL was poor. The skill position players were poor. The scheme was poor.
My first question after 2020 was "Why are we bringing back Gettleman, Garrett, and Jones after they combined to put together one of the worst Giant offenses in recent memory?"
Still don't have a good answer to that question. Still don't know why we should expect them to be good in 2021. Just... because?
Gettleman puzzles me. Jones was brought back because they were not in a position to land someone demonstrably better in the short term. Why draft a QB who is not an improvement now versus potentially getting an improvement later and having this year’s first to add talent around whomever is the QB? If you take a QB at #11 you are definitely foregoing anyone in 2022 and likely foregoing in 2023. When they decided that there was nobody worth taking over Jones they brought back Garrett so Jones would have some continuity. That being said, with the move of Kitchens I think Garrett is on a short leash.
If they decided that Justin Fields and Mac Jones didn't represent an upgrade at QB (both in player quality and in resetting the rookie contract clock) then I think we have a serious problem with talent evaluation and asset allocation.
I don't think that's it though. Gettleman knows he's sinking or swimming with Jones. I think he would have passed on Lawrence had he had the opportunity to draft him. As long as Gettleman was the GM Jones was going to be the 2021 quarterback come hell or high water.
Perhaps they thought they could get better talent than Fields or Mac Jones then and that would keep rookie contract going longer than taking Fields or Jones in 2021
Perhaps they thought they could get better talent than Fields or Mac Jones then and that would keep rookie contract going longer than taking Fields or Jones in 2021
My whole perception of 2021 is based on hoping that what you described is indeed the case.
Forget what Gettleman says about it taking 2-3 years for QB’s to pop, that is all hot air. Mara wrote these checks for clarity on Jones. He’s either going to sink or swim, they’re giving him this year to make a jump.
If not, I don’t see Judge/Abrams being as loyal to Jones. I’d envision a first round QB drafted with Jones competing with him in 2022 if there is not a significant jump.
or did the Giants OL provide the least or close to the least time to throw of any in the NFl?
Dont worry that this question is about defending Jones or DG (who imo opinion inherited a disaster of an Ol and did not go straight to fixing that without delay (point being what RB or QB does well without an OL?))...its not about that.
What's the answer to the question? That answer- not the shortcomings of DJ or SB is the weight around DG and the length of time the turnaround is taking.
To me, its not the position value or candidate shortcomings...its the sequence of the rebuild that was the foundational flaw that led to a double clutch rebuild. imo.
I think Mara did his tasks ( sort through the Northern Generals until he found Grant) faster than DG or JJ/PG did theirs
Goebbels: tell a lie and it's a lie, effectively repeat the lie and moves to truth.
They never give up, they pollute every thread. They are demonstratably wrong on issue after issue, instead of giving pause it re-vitalizes commitment.
It is important that Gettleman fails so they offer us (and repeatedly so) opinion as fact.
They tell us (with a clairvoyant's certainty) "you don't draft anyone but a qb high". And repeat and repeat. Then when Rosen and Sam Darnold flop it becomes "we should have drafted Nelson".
No blush accompanies.
"We didn't have to spend a fifth pick to sign Williams."is pounded from every hillock and street corner until it move to Goebbels truth column. But it never was the certified truth it was opinion offered as factr and they never ackowledged, never gave us prefaces like :"it seems to me" or "I think that" and they didn't because they're not smart enough to Know the difference and it's so important to critic\ize that had they known the difference they would have ignored it.
What they do know is that the savvy people who run the Colts were happy to spend a top 12 pick to get the rights to Deforest Bruckner.
Still they persist without the decensy for pause, re-consideration or re-direction.
Three years is too long, is one of their offerings here. But that's wrong, Gettleman had to clean house, he had a worse scenario than an expansion team. The locker room he inherited was poisoned and had to be cleansed.
Besides, "the three years" is too long and recent fabrication. They condemend after year one, after week one, month one and day one.
Past my bedtime, so I'm forced to end my own rant - a tough thing to do because they are such inviting targets.
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Yes, that would clearly be jumping to conclusions.
However, it is not unfair to at least ponder some of the lost opportunities at QB that have gone by while the Giants were in partial (if not full) denial about Eli Manning's decline. And then having it continue because a pressured-front office potentially forced an imprudent evaluation on his replacement and allowed that experiment to die on the vine while other roads were not taken.
I fully support giving Jones his year 3 but it would suck if that went sideways and Jones and/or Fields turns into something...
It appears M Jones and Fields are franchise QB's already.....
I do think a QB can improve a OL and vice versa in terms of looking good/performance.
QB:
Does he get the ball out on time? Does he make proper pre snap reads? Does he take a check down or get rid of the ball preventing a negative play? Etc.
OL:
Do they run block well leading to better down/distance? Do they limit penalties helping to manage down/distance? Do they prevent pressure up the guy?
You still need a baseline of talent at both positions. One can only overcome so much if the other is deficient imo.
About Gettleman is his abject failure in the draft and FA and he's still acting like the wise ass Uncle who thinks he knows everything. We have passed on Josh Allen, Tua, Herbert, Fields and Mac Jones. All players who are absolutely more skilled QBs than the deadbeat we have. We spend tons of dough on injury riddled WR, TE and CB and again completely ignore the OL. Rashawn Slater is staring in your face and we trade down for a gadget WR with shit for brains who won't get vaccinated. Brilliant plan. We are going to stink again and Mara will keep his arms folded and scowl because he believes in Dave Gettleman despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary. I'm fully convinced that we are going to be crap again.
it would really suck if Mac Jones and/or Fields present themselves as good NFL-caliber QBs this season...
It would also suck if we gave up on Jones and he turned into another Ryan Tannehill.
Tannehill is entering his 10th season in the league. You feel like waiting 7 years for Jones to finally be a good quarterback? I don't. But maybe Gettleman can tell us that's how long it takes because college doesn't prepare quarterbacks like it used to.
I've decided that I'll enter the season optimistic about Jones
significantly improving, but Joey's comments about Anthony Thomas get me down. I see him as a building block at a key position but Joey knows way more about this than I do so I am disturbed.
If Joey is right, we will need to reboot and start another rebuild next season, which may doom Judge's career here.
RE: RE: Well, I am not convinced yet. But as mentioned
it would really suck if Mac Jones and/or Fields present themselves as good NFL-caliber QBs this season...
It would also suck if we gave up on Jones and he turned into another Ryan Tannehill.
Tannehill is entering his 10th season in the league. You feel like waiting 7 years for Jones to finally be a good quarterback? I don't. But maybe Gettleman can tell us that's how long it takes because college doesn't prepare quarterbacks like it used to.
Or a better idea - how about surrounding him with some good players before making the decision whether he is good or not… cause I’ve never seen a QB win it all with bad WRs and a bad OL. Have you?
significantly improving, but Joey's comments about Anthony Thomas get me down. I see him as a building block at a key position but Joey knows way more about this than I do so I am disturbed.
If Joey is right, we will need to reboot and start another rebuild next season, which may doom Judge's career here.
I think it's gonna be a rough season that is going to conclude in a few reset buttons being pushed. What Mara needs to be smart enough to realize is that he has a keeper in Judge, and he was a fool not to fire Gettleman along with Shurmur.
1. Suffer through 2021
2. Shitcan Gettleman and elevate O'Brien to GM
3. Rebuild begins in 2022 led by a Judge/O'Brien team that will sink or swim together; no competing timelines or agendas
2018-2021 have been thrown away by owner incompetence. There's a path to rectifying that in 2022. Mara just has to see it.
I do think that's the most likely scenario, but I'm trying to be optimistic.
But whatever else, I thought Anthony Thomas was just a very safe and sensible pick (maybe a slot or two too high, but still sensible). If he turns out to be mediocre, oh boy, the offense is in a terrible place. I mean just terrible.
Jones has been surrounded with better talent and needs to produce this season. It's that simple.
Well everyone agrees but the new talent hasn’t really practiced yet. No Golladay, Toney, Rudolph and Barkley yet.
Absolutely. These guys should be a huge benefit for Jones, so hopefully that get healthy and into the starting lineup and stay there. It would be a shame to have yet another cloudy year with Jones because there continued to be lack of good talent available to him...
I think Andrew Thomas can turn it around but it kills me that we passed on Wirfs. His athletic ability and position flexibility should have been enough for him to be the easy pick. Thomas was the last of the 4 I would have taken because fundamentally he looks uneven and unsteady too often for my taste. I'm trusting Judge here, but I wanted Wirfs.
RE: RE: RE: Well, I am not convinced yet. But as mentioned
it would really suck if Mac Jones and/or Fields present themselves as good NFL-caliber QBs this season...
It would also suck if we gave up on Jones and he turned into another Ryan Tannehill.
Tannehill is entering his 10th season in the league. You feel like waiting 7 years for Jones to finally be a good quarterback? I don't. But maybe Gettleman can tell us that's how long it takes because college doesn't prepare quarterbacks like it used to.
While simultaneously explaining how he's a good QB because Cutcliffe coached him.
They have an elite secondary, arguably better than our own... and 2 absoulte monsters off the edge in Von Miller and Bradley Chubb... forget about last year
The secondary on paper (especially if Surtain is the goods early), could be one of the best in football.
Miller being back healthy is huge...I get hes aging but its not like there isnt a precedent for edge guys still dominating in their early 30s.
They can play. I would not be surprised if they are a top 5-10 defense.
Additions: Patrick Surtain, Von Miller, Kyle Fuller…
In addition to all-pro Bradley Chubb from last year.
The Bronco secondary didn’t get torched all year last season. They finished basically middle of the league, with pass defensive stats very similar to NY Giants, Did our secondary get torched all year?
Hmm...is there a 3rd choice?
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where was it last year and why is it here now?
Additions: Patrick Surtain, Von Miller, Kyle Fuller…
In addition to all-pro Bradley Chubb from last year.
Bradley Chubb was All Pro?
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(assuming he is healthy) helps a lot, but why would we just discount last year. Their secondary was "theoretically' great last year but they got torched all year. Sounds to me like they were a product of the pass rush. So if our line holds up, we should be able to do some business. Of course, that will be the question all season.
The Bronco secondary didn’t get torched all year last season. They finished basically middle of the league, with pass defensive stats very similar to NY Giants, Did our secondary get torched all year?
It did. Which was the main reason that we added Jackson. We had a liability on one side of the field the entire season. Not only that, but Graham had to scheme by using zone to avoid putting CB2 on an island - not to mention having no answer when Bradberry missed a game.
Wow such incredible insight. Thank you for pointing that out. I appreciate you adding value to today's thread.
Finishing at or near the bottom of the league in pass defense and not having any answers to the problem week to week is being torched...
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
yikes hope not...thats a season ender if true obv.
Fights breaking out
Jones throws int right to Duggar
Shepard appeared to grab his shin and came off
Big Dex also appeared shaken up and came off
And we are only an hour in!
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Joe Judge said the focus in practices with the Patriots will be third down, red zone and two minute drill. #Giants
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Joe Judge: Saquon Barkley will be at practice on Thursday and will be wearing a non-contact red jersey. He is missing today due to a personal matter. Kyle Rudolph will work in individual drills this week as he works his way back.
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Kadarius Toney and Kenny Golladay will work with trainers today, as they have been.
Nate Solder will practice on a limited basis. #Giants
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Joe Judge: Physical contact of some kind will be necessary for Saquon Barkley before he plays a regular season game. What that contact will be and how he gets it will be decided.
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
That said, the Denver defense doesn't have to be as good or better than the Giants defense. It just has to be better than the Giants Offense.
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#Giants #Judge - managing ojulari..limited today....will be full sped thursday
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
Well, they were pretty awful in rushing defense and gave up a whole lot of touchdowns on the ground, so maybe take a look there.
Very few teams would ever say they are happy with their secondary, and the targeting of Surtain was because he was one of the best defensive players in the entire draft. Who couldn’t use him?
I do agree though that it is difficult to predict how will a defense will perform year to year. Far less predictable than the Offense imv. I think we have a better defense too.
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Joe Judge: Kyle Rudolph will bring a lot of value in situational football. He is a big target with good hands.
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John Ross and Elerson Smith also won’t practice.
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Don’t see Shane Lemieux. Kenny Wiggins stepped in at left guard in the offensive walk-through at the start of the practice.
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Shane Lemieux doesn’t appear to be out here as of yet. Kenny Wiggins running in his place again.
Lemieux hasn’t had many full practice sessions in camp, which isn’t ideal. #Giants
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CB Madre Harper is participating after injuring his groin Sunday. CB Josh Jackson remains on the side with a calf injury. Don’t see DL Danny Shelton, who missed Sunday’s game with an undisclosed injury.
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Also don’t see LB Tae Crowder, who had a sleeve on his calf while sitting out Sunday’s game.
How are we supposed to take something like this with a grain of salt? Why would you post this if there’s a chance it’s not true?
That said, he has not been seen at practice, supposedly….ugh
This would be a downer.
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#Giants DNPs today
Do not see: RB Saquon Barkley, G Shane Lemieux, LB Tae Crowder, DT Danny Shelton
On side w trainers: WRs Kenny Golladay, John Ross, Kadarius Toney, Austin Mack, edge Elerson Smith, CB Josh Jackson
Azeez Ojulari, dealing with something, will be managed
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Will Hernandez trades shoves w a Pats DL after 1v1 rep ended with both on the turf. Broken up pretty quickly.
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Andrew Thomas has been really strong in those drills so far. Giants need him to be their best o-lineman this season. Seems like he could be.
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Lemieux tore his patella tendon in his knee. I have more but cant share.
This would be a downer.
So what is the prognosis for a torn patella tendon? Is it season ending, 4 weeks, or something else? Does anyone know?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
The Giants spent a few mill on Jackson. Does that mean you think Giants being a top 5-10 defense is a projection?
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Giants O, 7/7 goal line drill, ball at 6
Daniel Jones 3/5, 2 TD to Engram, one to Kaden Smith, one throwaway due to good coverage
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BIG fight between Giants D line and Patriots O line, went to the ground. Ximines and Odenigbo at bottom of pile. Judge and Belichick making them run. Judge not happy at all #Giants
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Massive pileup fight w Giants d line and Pats o line. Leonard Williams was in the middle of it. Both units now taking a lap.
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Was just a pile up between #Giants D-Line and Patriots O-Line. Had to be separated. Leonard Williams came up with his helmet off.
Both entire units had to run laps.
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Giants DL and Patriots OL sent on laps after a fight during 1-on-1’s. Didn’t see what started it but other reporters spotted Dexter Lawrence in the middle of it.
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James White has been blistering Blake Martinez in one on one routes.
So what is the prognosis for a torn patella tendon? Is it season ending, 4 weeks, or something else? Does anyone know?
I just read it is surgery and 4-6 months before athletic activities. Obviously, everything described as a tear is not necessarily the same level of damage.
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where was it last year and why is it here now?
Additions: Patrick Surtain, Von Miller, Kyle Fuller…
In addition to all-pro Bradley Chubb from last year.
Chubb isn't All Pro. Fuller also has not been a great corner for a couple years now. Miller is great but he's coming off a serious injury. Surtain is a rookie and they usually struggle. Not all concrete situations no matter how you look at it. It's "what if's".
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Julian Love had an interception off Mac Jones but dropped it.
Tough break for “Duct Tape”. #Giants
I now can see why they traded up to draft Robinson in the 3rd round.
I could see Jackson playing the slot until Robinson gets healthy and Rodarius Williams playing the boundary if Holmes struggles.
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McKinney almost comes down with a pick on deep pass from college teammate Mac Jones. Wrote about Xavier in today’s paper.
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Shane Lemieux doesn’t appear to be out here as of yet. Kenny Wiggins running in his place again.
Lemieux hasn’t had many full practice sessions in camp, which isn’t ideal. #Giants
I guess Wiggins is next man up if Lemieux can’t go, but they have about 4 backup LG candidates. I’m surprised Wiggins has been able to hold them off so far. Maybe Larsen will edge him out.
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Nate Solder just took a real live rep at right tackle with Mike Glennon at QB. First time we have seen Solder in any live contact in a long while since that apparent shoulder injury #Giants
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answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
Well, they were pretty awful in rushing defense and gave up a whole lot of touchdowns on the ground, so maybe take a look there.
Very few teams would ever say they are happy with their secondary, and the targeting of Surtain was because he was one of the best defensive players in the entire draft. Who couldn’t use him?
I do agree though that it is difficult to predict how will a defense will perform year to year. Far less predictable than the Offense imv. I think we have a better defense too.
This is why you need to watch the games, the Broncos offense was completely inept last year and often put the defense in awful positions game in game out. Chubb missed the last few games and they were awful in that span. They were missing their best player all year and added a ton of secondary talent to a defensive guy that is a wizard with secondary play. They also play in a very good division offensively.
I do believe we should be running the fuck out of the ball against them, that's their weak spot, but the Broncos defense is going to be top 5 this year if they stay healthy in key spots.
Losing an elite player at an elite positional value spot is going to have really negative effects. Chubb is good, but he's not on Von Miller's level. I do like the matchup for us though because we are going to be a tough out on the ground for everyone this year.
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Daniel Jones had started off well but just forced a bad pass into double coverage for an easy interception by Kyle Dugger. Intended for Darius Slayton. #Giants
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Sterling Shepard appeared to grab his right shin and was in some pain after a run block. Will monitor.
Dexter Lawrence labored off after hitting the ground inside on one play, unsure what happened. Still on sideline. #Giants
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Pats 2:00 drill aided by D holding against Darnay Holmes and nice over-shoulder catch from James White against Blake Martinez. They kick a field goal.
Lorenzo Carter was in the backfield early in drive, might not have been a sack but would have affected the completion.
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Mac Jones & Patriots 1st team offense just marched right down the field on Giants’ defensive starters and clocked it for a field goal. Jones was 5 for 5, picked on Darnay Holmes, who allowed at least one completion and had a DPI. Back shoulder to James White be Martinez set up FG
Said our D versus Pat's Offense: much more competitive.
I now can see why they traded up to draft Robinson in the 3rd round.
I could see Jackson playing the slot until Robinson gets healthy and Rodarius Williams playing the boundary if Holmes struggles.
Love can play the slot as well. Another option.
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Daniel Jones & Giants offense get a long Graham Gano FG thru after being held to 3-for-6, all short completions, one a sack I think. Two short to Slayton, one to Board. A drop by Griffin-Stewart #Giants
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Giants 2:00 drill a mess. Drop by Griffin-Stewart, incompletion to Haussmann. Of course if G-S and Hausmann are playing in a real 2:00 drill…
Anyway, Gano bails them all out with a 54y FG.
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I have Daniel Jones at 7 of 11 with an interception to start out in 11 on 11s. #Giants
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Corey Clement heading off the field w trainer.
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Joe Judge calling his offense together after a red zone period, gave them a talk with about half hour left in practice #Giants
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Jabrill Peppers walking off the field with a trainer. He does have a tendency to cramp up, though unclear if that’s what happened here yet. #Giants
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Adoree Jackson slow to get up. Just helped off the field. #Giants
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Adoree Jackson slipped in coverage and is hurt. Helped off field by trainers. Rodarius Williams replaces him with 1s.
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Adoree Jackson appears injured, but might have just been poked in the eye.
Dexter Lawrence back in for next 11 on 11, and Azeez Ojulari is now in on the edge #Giants
HUGE coverage bust and big Patriots gain to Kendrick Bourne. Might have been Jackson’s man crossing after inj
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Lorenzo Carter getting frustrated that they are not blowing plays dead when he is close to QB.
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And Adoree Jackson is back. All good.
He was back a play later. Thankfully.
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Mac Jones is picking apart the #Giants secondary in team drills. Not sure if he has an incompletion yet today.
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Trent Brown dominating on this drive at right tackle. Won vs Ojulari. Then tossed Ximines around. Patriots false start, but then a huge completion from Mac Jones to Jonnu Smith with Logan Ryan trailing
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Someone on Giants defense finally makes a play. Interior D line bats a Jones dump off incomplete
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And finally a Mac Jones incompletion. Would’ve been a sack by Ifeadi Odenigbo. Ball was tipped anyway. #Giants
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Nate Solder and left guard Ted Larsen also getting some live snaps now next to each other with Daniel Jones
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Jones & first team O worked on a couple designed non-RB runs on last drive. Jones 1 for 3 on throws I think. A pressure that flushed him on another.
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O line gave Jones lots of time in 11s. Jones tucked and ran a few times, tried to hit Slayton deep on another and, well, you know.
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Peppers coming back onto field
Said our D versus Pat's Offense: much more competitive.
When you look at the guys who are actually practicing, then yes, today’s performance isn’t very impressive. Zolack (assuming he’s part of radio team) is a tool.
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Jonotthan Harrison getting some work in front of Daniel Jones later in practice today
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Giants starting offense (minus several key weapons) looks quite bad today vs. Patriots.
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WR Darius Slayton walks off the field with a trainer.
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Jones to Shep TD caps 11s period.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
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Ryan Santoso just boomed two field goals. Judge was spotted shaking Belichick’s pockets trying to jar a 2023 seventh-rounder loose.
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Patriots have been making their field goals: but Ryan Santoso — whom Giants are lobbying for a job elsewhere — just made two straight from deep with Bill Belichick looking on #Giants #Patriots
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Daniel Jones playing well to end practice. A few nice TD completions in red zone. Been running a lot today to. #Giants
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Wouldn’t want to be in Joe Judge’s corrections meeting tonight. Today hasn’t been good enough #Giants
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Both Peppers and Clement came back out. Peppers, who has a history of cramping, is back in drills.
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Jonotthan Harrison getting some work in front of Daniel Jones later in practice today
If Lemieux does miss time, I'd like to see what Harrison at C and Gates at LG looks like in practice. Could be their best 5.
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Deep pass for Jakobi Meyers leaves both the WR and CB Adoree Jackson limping off.
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Mac Jones just beat Adoree Jackson and Darnay Holmes double covering A receiver down the field in a beautiful throw.
And Adoree Jackson limped off the field after. Appeared to be something with his left foot. Getting looked at by trainers. #Giants
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Amazing- based on the previous tweets I thought Shepard was done. Jones throwing to Hausmann and others with first team O, but we will hear about how they struggled.
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Mac Jones with an absolute bomb TD on corner route to Jakobi Meyers w/ Adoree Jackson & Darnay Holmes beaten. Jackson & Meyers both slow to get up. Jackson now on bench with left shoe off having his foot looked at by trainers… as James White makes about his 7th catch on Martinez
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Adoree Jackson has his left foot completely bare foot as he limps off with trainers #Giants
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Jonotthan Harrison getting some work in front of Daniel Jones later in practice today
If Lemieux does miss time, I'd like to see what Harrison at C and Gates at LG looks like in practice. Could be their best 5.
Agreed- I'd much rather Harrison on the starting OL rather than Wiggins. Wiggins should not be on an NFL roster..
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According to sources: The Giants beat reporters have also looked outmatched early on in these joint sessions vs the Patriots.
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Adoree Jackson has his left foot completely bare foot as he limps off with trainers #Giants
Foot injuries are bad news for a DB. Lets hope this is just a cramp or a "boo-boo"
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Giants starting offense (minus several key weapons) looks quite bad today vs. Patriots.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Ridiculous. So in 3 minutes we went fro bad to good? I'm tired of the knee jerk reporting on every little aspect of "practice"
two pre-season games, winning both and averaging over 400 yards per game on offense and under 300 yards on defense.
No need to review Giants stats over past two games.
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Giants starting offense (minus several key weapons) looks quite bad today vs. Patriots.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Ridiculous. So in 3 minutes we went fro bad to good? I'm tired of the knee jerk reporting on every little aspect of "practice"
The offense didn't look good trying to drive the field.
They scored TDs in the red zone drill,which I believe starts on the six yard line.
Both can be true.
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Jackson has a huge wrap on his foot/ankle. He’s being carted off as practice ends.
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Practice completed.
Joe Judge take his team to the far field to “run the hill.”
A New England tradition.
Dan Duggan
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Judge putting players through sprints on Belichick’s infamous hill. Expect to see a similar hill in East Rutherford in the future.
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CB Adoree Jackson appeared to grab at his ankle after a play in live drills. Now with practice over he hobbled onto a cart and takes the ride inside. #Giants
They basically rebuilt their secondary with Fuller, Darby, and Surtain. All new corners.
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That was a rough practice for the Giants. The best quarterback on the field this afternoon (for one day at least) was Mac Jones. Had his way with the Giants defense. #Giants #Patriots
Well at least I hope...
If the team looks bad and outmatched in joint practices, I want the reporters to tell me that. Further, I’m not so sure why this is hard to believe given how the giants have been routinely outmatched during Gettleman’s tenure.
Hopefully they show improvement tomorrow and on Sunday and can get ready to start the season off in a big way with 3 games vs teams with losing records last year before the schedule gets hard.
I heard he completed 15 in a row at one point.
You do realize that the physicality of these joint sessions is exactly why Judge decided to rest the starters this past week, right? I’m guessing based on your stupid ass post that you hadn’t even given that a much thought…
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Patriots definitely won today’s practice. Mac Jones roasted and toasted the #Giants secondary.
What a dumb post.
Agreed. If Vrabel was no longer interested in AJ, it should have been a reddish flag. Apparently they feel good with Fulton and Jackrabbit at corner with Farley coming back after opting out in '20. Farley was their first round pick in '20. So they have pieces there to very likely replace AJ without missing a beat.
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Practice completed.
Joe Judge take his team to the far field to “run the hill.”
A New England tradition.
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Judge putting players through sprints on Belichick’s infamous hill. Expect to see a similar hill in East Rutherford in the future.
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CB Adoree Jackson appeared to grab at his ankle after a play in live drills. Now with practice over he hobbled onto a cart and takes the ride inside. #Giants
We had a hill in HS and getting told to "run hills" was the height of punishment for the football and lax teams I was on. Funny enough, the track guys, who weren't considered the highest on our school's contrived athlete totem pole, did them as a regular part of their conditioning.
I don't want to be one of those guys, but it really does seem like today's players get injured awhole lot more than even when I was a kid in the 90's. Just incredible.
Yup.
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#Giants #Jones - up and down day for offense...got to clen stuff up...that is the way practice is
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#Giants #Jones - made some plays im red zone moved the ball some
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#Giants #Jones - read option was part of what they wanted to work on today
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Daniel Jones: Offense was up and down at practice, we had to fight through it. There were some things we did well and others we need to clean up.
Except our #1s dominated Cleveland's #1s just a week ago. So there's that...
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Is a walking injury report on his own. Bad move signing so many questionable injury types. He had two foot injuries in 2019 and a knee in 2020. Now he's limping off again and people are surprised? Lower body injuries lead to more lower body injuries, guys don't magically get better and stop being constantly hurt. An ACL tear is one thing, but multiple leg injuries never spell good news.
Agreed. If Vrabel was no longer interested in AJ, it should have been a reddish flag. Apparently they feel good with Fulton and Jackrabbit at corner with Farley coming back after opting out in '20. Farley was their first round pick in '20. So they have pieces there to very likely replace AJ without missing a beat.
Who says he didn't? They had serious salary-cap concerns.
Going 28 of 30.....seems like a bad day for secondary. Not exactly sure how that relates to D.Jones....who finished strong.
More concerned about injury
Titans pass defense without Jackson was disgusting bad. But drafting an injured kid and signing Jackrabbbit in 2021 is the solution to some poster here. Genius.
Also, kind of funny how everybody was ripping the 49ers for potentially picking Mac Jones. He's always had the tools. But everyone is in love with the mobile QB, you're stuck in 1997 if you don't have one!
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I'm told Giants CB Adoree Jackson did suffer a sprained ankle in coverage late in today's practice when he went up and landed awkwardly.
The Giants are cautiously optimistic that Jackson's injury will not cost him significant time, per source. He'll undergo further testing.
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Obviously, there's no way of knowing how the ankle injury for Adoree Jackson will affect his status for Week 1. They'll get him further tested when the swelling subsides, and reassess after that.
Would expect Rodarius Williams to play out there with Julian Love mixed in Sunday.
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#Giants #Pats Wed practice - spirited scrum with NYG def vs NE off in line drills, quickly broke up..NYG unit did a lap and NE unit did sprints as a penalty
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#Giants Sills nice contested catch and an great double move to create 5 yds of space in 1 on 1s
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#Giants Rudolph fared well in limited reps
..Slayton star of the day, made plays im each session despite having to take a short break
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#Giants Griffin-Stewart lunging double-tip to himself as the catch of the day
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#Giants offense was sporadic, but had a td and fg on two 2 min drives
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#Giants Cole made a contested grab and emticed the CB into a pass inter flag in 1 on 1s
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#Giants defense - did best work on run fitsn but Odenigbo (tipped) and Hill (sack) had consecutive pass rushes in 11 on 11s
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Update on #Giants CB Adoree Jackson: I'm told his ankle injury doesn't look bad. He hasn't even been ruled out of tomorrow's practice vs. #Patriots. That would be a relief.
BB did invest in some very good second tier receivers in the free agent pool this offseason - Bourne, Agholor, Henry and Smith. I think perhaps he over paid a bit, but that's a lot of new faces who can make plays.
New England's OL is going to be great if they stay healthy. That is going to be huge. And they have a deep stable of versatile RBs.
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#Giants offense was sporadic, but had a td and fg on two 2 min drives
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#Giants Cole made a contested grab and emticed the CB into a pass inter flag in 1 on 1s
Giants offense was "sporadic", that would be normal for them. It doesn't mean that much, so I am kinda joking...
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preseason tilt.
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Update on #Giants CB Adoree Jackson: I'm told his ankle injury doesn't look bad. He hasn't even been ruled out of tomorrow's practice vs. #Patriots. That would be a relief.
I would save him for Week 1 at this point.
No reason to rush him back now.
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According to sources: The Giants beat reporters have also looked outmatched early on in these joint sessions vs the Patriots.
FWIW ... Ed Valentine on BBV said ‘today may have just been a maintenance day for Lemieux’ ... hopefully our stellar beats can find out the facts.
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with Lemieux (asshat report not withstanding) would like some info, but Judge doesn’t talk about injuries and the beats are too incompetent to ask.
FWIW ... Ed Valentine on BBV said ‘today may have just been a maintenance day for Lemieux’ ... hopefully our stellar beats can find out the facts.
If it was just a maintenance day, wouldn’t he have at least been spotted hanging out on the side somewhere?
I was wondering if it's the same knee he had been resting before. Maybe he had a partial tear that didn't show up on imaging, that has now gotten worse. For the moment, tho, we don't have confirmation of an injury.
Same here. But with the quality of that OL - and I think it's going to be a top fiver - MJ is in the best environment to succeed.
You know, if Cam is healthy, BB is just the type of madman genius who could set the entire year up going Quarterback by Committee.
And vice versa.
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According to sources: The Giants beat reporters have also looked outmatched early on in these joint sessions vs the Patriots.
That's awesome. I was just recently thinking that someone should put together an NFL beat reporter ranking.
Yes, but especially for a QB with limited movement; and who needs a clean pocket to optimize success.
I wish more starters were available but also worry about new injuries to other starters. Lemiueux’s status is concerning.
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quality of the OL can significantly affect QB effectiveness?
And vice versa.
The quality of the QB effects the OL significantly?? You sure about that? I doubt there are very good OL's made to look bad because of the QB - but then again - you have to say that to continue the narrative, no?
I wish more starters were available but also worry about new injuries to other starters. Lemiueux’s status is concerning.
If you don't think a quarterback with poor pocket awareness doesn't make an offensive lineman's life more difficult I don't know what to tell you. You should probably stop complaining about narratives and just watch more football and try to get smarter. Or just drop your narrative that the Giants aren't as bad as they've been showing us these past few years.
It is usually recognized as poor play by the QB.
I'd suggest you stop making all sins of the past the sins of the future and watch football and get smarter.
Instead of pigeon-holing every situation into being a criticism of the QB.
The OL didn't do that great opening up holes for RB's either, but in your world, the narrative is that Jones caused that, along with causing WR's to not get separation and dropping passes too. Narratives, they are.
The OL didn't do that great opening up holes for RB's either, but in your world, the narrative is that Jones caused that, along with causing WR's to not get separation and dropping passes too. Narratives, they are.
That's false and you know it. The "narrative" has been that Jones, despite deficiencies around him, should have been able to do better with better decision making, ball protection, and pocket awareness.
For some inexplicable reason you don't think the 6th pick in any different in expectations than the 66th pick or the even 166th pick. Which I have always found very strange for someone has smart as you...
My first question after 2020 was "Why are we bringing back Gettleman, Garrett, and Jones after they combined to put together one of the worst Giant offenses in recent memory?"
Still don't have a good answer to that question. Still don't know why we should expect them to be good in 2021. Just... because?
My first question after 2020 was "Why are we bringing back Gettleman, Garrett, and Jones after they combined to put together one of the worst Giant offenses in recent memory?"
Still don't have a good answer to that question. Still don't know why we should expect them to be good in 2021. Just... because?
Well, Mara obviously thought there was a talent issue. The strategy was to be aggressive in FA/draft to try and improve the offensive talent. Golladay, Toney, Rudolph & the return of Barkley is why Gettleman/Garrett are getting another swing at this. As for the OL, it was an emphasis on coaching with Sale & Flaherty brought in.
There is a lot of risk with the above, but that is what the Giants are banking on. I don’t think Garrett has a long leash, and I think Jones is out after the season with a subpar season.
On another note, Duggan wrote a great article in the athletic today about Judge learning from Belichick. As part of the training, there was a lot of emphasis on team building. Golladay scares me because of his injury history, we’ll see.
All to say, the Giants weren’t sitting on their hands just hoping the offense improves. A lot of resources have been put into it with skill players and hopefully improved coaching on the OL.
And Gettleman will get better because he can’t possibly be any worse...
My first question after 2020 was "Why are we bringing back Gettleman, Garrett, and Jones after they combined to put together one of the worst Giant offenses in recent memory?"
Still don't have a good answer to that question. Still don't know why we should expect them to be good in 2021. Just... because?
Gettleman puzzles me. Jones was brought back because they were not in a position to land someone demonstrably better in the short term. Why draft a QB who is not an improvement now versus potentially getting an improvement later and having this year’s first to add talent around whomever is the QB? If you take a QB at #11 you are definitely foregoing anyone in 2022 and likely foregoing in 2023. When they decided that there was nobody worth taking over Jones they brought back Garrett so Jones would have some continuity. That being said, with the move of Kitchens I think Garrett is on a short leash.
My first question after 2020 was "Why are we bringing back Gettleman, Garrett, and Jones after they combined to put together one of the worst Giant offenses in recent memory?"
Still don't have a good answer to that question. Still don't know why we should expect them to be good in 2021. Just... because?
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The QB was poor. The OL was poor. The skill position players were poor. The scheme was poor.
My first question after 2020 was "Why are we bringing back Gettleman, Garrett, and Jones after they combined to put together one of the worst Giant offenses in recent memory?"
Still don't have a good answer to that question. Still don't know why we should expect them to be good in 2021. Just... because?
Gettleman puzzles me. Jones was brought back because they were not in a position to land someone demonstrably better in the short term. Why draft a QB who is not an improvement now versus potentially getting an improvement later and having this year’s first to add talent around whomever is the QB? If you take a QB at #11 you are definitely foregoing anyone in 2022 and likely foregoing in 2023. When they decided that there was nobody worth taking over Jones they brought back Garrett so Jones would have some continuity. That being said, with the move of Kitchens I think Garrett is on a short leash.
If they decided that Justin Fields and Mac Jones didn't represent an upgrade at QB (both in player quality and in resetting the rookie contract clock) then I think we have a serious problem with talent evaluation and asset allocation.
I don't think that's it though. Gettleman knows he's sinking or swimming with Jones. I think he would have passed on Lawrence had he had the opportunity to draft him. As long as Gettleman was the GM Jones was going to be the 2021 quarterback come hell or high water.
My whole perception of 2021 is based on hoping that what you described is indeed the case.
If not, I don’t see Judge/Abrams being as loyal to Jones. I’d envision a first round QB drafted with Jones competing with him in 2022 if there is not a significant jump.
Dont worry that this question is about defending Jones or DG (who imo opinion inherited a disaster of an Ol and did not go straight to fixing that without delay (point being what RB or QB does well without an OL?))...its not about that.
What's the answer to the question? That answer- not the shortcomings of DJ or SB is the weight around DG and the length of time the turnaround is taking.
To me, its not the position value or candidate shortcomings...its the sequence of the rebuild that was the foundational flaw that led to a double clutch rebuild. imo.
I think Mara did his tasks ( sort through the Northern Generals until he found Grant) faster than DG or JJ/PG did theirs
They never give up, they pollute every thread. They are demonstratably wrong on issue after issue, instead of giving pause it re-vitalizes commitment.
It is important that Gettleman fails so they offer us (and repeatedly so) opinion as fact.
They tell us (with a clairvoyant's certainty) "you don't draft anyone but a qb high". And repeat and repeat. Then when Rosen and Sam Darnold flop it becomes "we should have drafted Nelson".
No blush accompanies.
"We didn't have to spend a fifth pick to sign Williams."is pounded from every hillock and street corner until it move to Goebbels truth column. But it never was the certified truth it was opinion offered as factr and they never ackowledged, never gave us prefaces like :"it seems to me" or "I think that" and they didn't because they're not smart enough to Know the difference and it's so important to critic\ize that had they known the difference they would have ignored it.
What they do know is that the savvy people who run the Colts were happy to spend a top 12 pick to get the rights to Deforest Bruckner.
Still they persist without the decensy for pause, re-consideration or re-direction.
Three years is too long, is one of their offerings here. But that's wrong, Gettleman had to clean house, he had a worse scenario than an expansion team. The locker room he inherited was poisoned and had to be cleansed.
Besides, "the three years" is too long and recent fabrication. They condemend after year one, after week one, month one and day one.
Past my bedtime, so I'm forced to end my own rant - a tough thing to do because they are such inviting targets.
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But again, at least it keeps him off the streets at night...
Nothing like jumping to conclusions.
Nothing like jumping to conclusions.
Yes, that would clearly be jumping to conclusions.
However, it is not unfair to at least ponder some of the lost opportunities at QB that have gone by while the Giants were in partial (if not full) denial about Eli Manning's decline. And then having it continue because a pressured-front office potentially forced an imprudent evaluation on his replacement and allowed that experiment to die on the vine while other roads were not taken.
I fully support giving Jones his year 3 but it would suck if that went sideways and Jones and/or Fields turns into something...
I do think a QB can improve a OL and vice versa in terms of looking good/performance.
QB:
Does he get the ball out on time? Does he make proper pre snap reads? Does he take a check down or get rid of the ball preventing a negative play? Etc.
OL:
Do they run block well leading to better down/distance? Do they limit penalties helping to manage down/distance? Do they prevent pressure up the guy?
You still need a baseline of talent at both positions. One can only overcome so much if the other is deficient imo.
It would also suck if we gave up on Jones and he turned into another Ryan Tannehill.
The one thing about this is the Bears need to lose for Fields to play barring injury.
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it would really suck if Mac Jones and/or Fields present themselves as good NFL-caliber QBs this season...
It would also suck if we gave up on Jones and he turned into another Ryan Tannehill.
Tannehill is entering his 10th season in the league. You feel like waiting 7 years for Jones to finally be a good quarterback? I don't. But maybe Gettleman can tell us that's how long it takes because college doesn't prepare quarterbacks like it used to.
If Joey is right, we will need to reboot and start another rebuild next season, which may doom Judge's career here.
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it would really suck if Mac Jones and/or Fields present themselves as good NFL-caliber QBs this season...
It would also suck if we gave up on Jones and he turned into another Ryan Tannehill.
The Giants aren't giving up on Jones. He is the starting QB three years running now. He is being given ample opportunities to show he is the guy...
There seems to have been a mistake related to medical in the Rudolph signing - which DG ineptly tried to deflect in the latest press conference.
Ifeadi Odenigbo is on the bubble. Ragland may end up being cut.
And Golladay has barely practiced.
Now I know there are caveats associated with each one of these comments, but each one has a yellow warning sign next to it. This isn't reassuring.
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it would really suck if Mac Jones and/or Fields present themselves as good NFL-caliber QBs this season...
It would also suck if we gave up on Jones and he turned into another Ryan Tannehill.
Tannehill is entering his 10th season in the league. You feel like waiting 7 years for Jones to finally be a good quarterback? I don't. But maybe Gettleman can tell us that's how long it takes because college doesn't prepare quarterbacks like it used to.
Or a better idea - how about surrounding him with some good players before making the decision whether he is good or not… cause I’ve never seen a QB win it all with bad WRs and a bad OL. Have you?
Well everyone agrees but the new talent hasn’t really practiced yet. No Golladay, Toney, Rudolph and Barkley yet.
If Joey is right, we will need to reboot and start another rebuild next season, which may doom Judge's career here.
I think it's gonna be a rough season that is going to conclude in a few reset buttons being pushed. What Mara needs to be smart enough to realize is that he has a keeper in Judge, and he was a fool not to fire Gettleman along with Shurmur.
1. Suffer through 2021
2. Shitcan Gettleman and elevate O'Brien to GM
3. Rebuild begins in 2022 led by a Judge/O'Brien team that will sink or swim together; no competing timelines or agendas
2018-2021 have been thrown away by owner incompetence. There's a path to rectifying that in 2022. Mara just has to see it.
But whatever else, I thought Anthony Thomas was just a very safe and sensible pick (maybe a slot or two too high, but still sensible). If he turns out to be mediocre, oh boy, the offense is in a terrible place. I mean just terrible.
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Jones has been surrounded with better talent and needs to produce this season. It's that simple.
Well everyone agrees but the new talent hasn’t really practiced yet. No Golladay, Toney, Rudolph and Barkley yet.
Absolutely. These guys should be a huge benefit for Jones, so hopefully that get healthy and into the starting lineup and stay there. It would be a shame to have yet another cloudy year with Jones because there continued to be lack of good talent available to him...
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it would really suck if Mac Jones and/or Fields present themselves as good NFL-caliber QBs this season...
It would also suck if we gave up on Jones and he turned into another Ryan Tannehill.
Tannehill is entering his 10th season in the league. You feel like waiting 7 years for Jones to finally be a good quarterback? I don't. But maybe Gettleman can tell us that's how long it takes because college doesn't prepare quarterbacks like it used to.
While simultaneously explaining how he's a good QB because Cutcliffe coached him.