It’s really crazy that a month into training camp, Barkley, Golladay, Rudolph, Toney, and Ross haven’t played (or played on an extremely limited basis). Just nuts. It’s the same offense from last year with those players out. And here we’re expecting the offense to improve…
they gave up like 500 points last year. Miller being back helps, but they are not a great unit.
They have an elite secondary, arguably better than our own... and 2 absoulte monsters off the edge in Von Miller and Bradley Chubb... forget about last year
I would say a lot of the Denver D hype is projection..
(assuming he is healthy) helps a lot, but why would we just discount last year. Their secondary was "theoretically' great last year but they got torched all year. Sounds to me like they were a product of the pass rush. So if our line holds up, we should be able to do some business. Of course, that will be the question all season.
(assuming he is healthy) helps a lot, but why would we just discount last year. Their secondary was "theoretically' great last year but they got torched all year. Sounds to me like they were a product of the pass rush. So if our line holds up, we should be able to do some business. Of course, that will be the question all season.
The Bronco secondary didn’t get torched all year last season. They finished basically middle of the league, with pass defensive stats very similar to NY Giants, Did our secondary get torched all year?
(assuming he is healthy) helps a lot, but why would we just discount last year. Their secondary was "theoretically' great last year but they got torched all year. Sounds to me like they were a product of the pass rush. So if our line holds up, we should be able to do some business. Of course, that will be the question all season.
The Bronco secondary didn’t get torched all year last season. They finished basically middle of the league, with pass defensive stats very similar to NY Giants, Did our secondary get torched all year?
It did. Which was the main reason that we added Jackson. We had a liability on one side of the field the entire season. Not only that, but Graham had to scheme by using zone to avoid putting CB2 on an island - not to mention having no answer when Bradberry missed a game.
It’s really crazy that a month into training camp, Barkley, Golladay, Rudolph, Toney, and Ross haven’t played (or played on an extremely limited basis). Just nuts. It’s the same offense from last year with those players out. And here we’re expecting the offense to improve…
Wow such incredible insight. Thank you for pointing that out. I appreciate you adding value to today's thread.
who knows how good miller will be and Surtain hasn't played a down. They "should" be better, but just like we don't get to say the Giants offense will be good with the additions, we shouldn't in the same breath say that Denver will have a good defense.
Agree with those points but that isn’t being torched.
answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
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Joe Judge said the focus in practices with the Patriots will be third down, red zone and two minute drill. #Giants
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Joe Judge: Saquon Barkley will be at practice on Thursday and will be wearing a non-contact red jersey. He is missing today due to a personal matter. Kyle Rudolph will work in individual drills this week as he works his way back.
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Kadarius Toney and Kenny Golladay will work with trainers today, as they have been.
Nate Solder will practice on a limited basis. #Giants
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Joe Judge: Physical contact of some kind will be necessary for Saquon Barkley before he plays a regular season game. What that contact will be and how he gets it will be decided.
answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
That said, the Denver defense doesn't have to be as good or better than the Giants defense. It just has to be better than the Giants Offense.
answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
Well, they were pretty awful in rushing defense and gave up a whole lot of touchdowns on the ground, so maybe take a look there.
Very few teams would ever say they are happy with their secondary, and the targeting of Surtain was because he was one of the best defensive players in the entire draft. Who couldn’t use him?
I do agree though that it is difficult to predict how will a defense will perform year to year. Far less predictable than the Offense imv. I think we have a better defense too.
is ridiculous. Writing about each int or TD as if it s areal game. Its a practice. We don't know what the offense or defense is trying to work on, or what the staff is trying to figure out. It's meaningless yet they report it like its a real game. All it does is get fans riled up (if its a bad tweet) or fired up (if its a good one).
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CB Madre Harper is participating after injuring his groin Sunday. CB Josh Jackson remains on the side with a calf injury. Don’t see DL Danny Shelton, who missed Sunday’s game with an undisclosed injury.
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Will Hernandez trades shoves w a Pats DL after 1v1 rep ended with both on the turf. Broken up pretty quickly.
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Andrew Thomas has been really strong in those drills so far. Giants need him to be their best o-lineman this season. Seems like he could be.
RE: RE: Asshat alert- take it with a grain of salt
answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
The Giants spent a few mill on Jackson. Does that mean you think Giants being a top 5-10 defense is a projection?
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BIG fight between Giants D line and Patriots O line, went to the ground. Ximines and Odenigbo at bottom of pile. Judge and Belichick making them run. Judge not happy at all #Giants
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Massive pileup fight w Giants d line and Pats o line. Leonard Williams was in the middle of it. Both units now taking a lap.
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Was just a pile up between #Giants D-Line and Patriots O-Line. Had to be separated. Leonard Williams came up with his helmet off.
Both entire units had to run laps.
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Giants DL and Patriots OL sent on laps after a fight during 1-on-1’s. Didn’t see what started it but other reporters spotted Dexter Lawrence in the middle of it.
So what is the prognosis for a torn patella tendon? Is it season ending, 4 weeks, or something else? Does anyone know?
I just read it is surgery and 4-6 months before athletic activities. Obviously, everything described as a tear is not necessarily the same level of damage.
RE: RE: why do I keep reading about this great Denver D
Additions: Patrick Surtain, Von Miller, Kyle Fuller…
In addition to all-pro Bradley Chubb from last year.
Chubb isn't All Pro. Fuller also has not been a great corner for a couple years now. Miller is great but he's coming off a serious injury. Surtain is a rookie and they usually struggle. Not all concrete situations no matter how you look at it. It's "what if's".
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Shane Lemieux doesn’t appear to be out here as of yet. Kenny Wiggins running in his place again.
Lemieux hasn’t had many full practice sessions in camp, which isn’t ideal. #Giants
I guess Wiggins is next man up if Lemieux can’t go, but they have about 4 backup LG candidates. I’m surprised Wiggins has been able to hold them off so far. Maybe Larsen will edge him out.
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Nate Solder just took a real live rep at right tackle with Mike Glennon at QB. First time we have seen Solder in any live contact in a long while since that apparent shoulder injury #Giants
They have an elite secondary, arguably better than our own... and 2 absoulte monsters off the edge in Von Miller and Bradley Chubb... forget about last year
The secondary on paper (especially if Surtain is the goods early), could be one of the best in football.
Miller being back healthy is huge...I get hes aging but its not like there isnt a precedent for edge guys still dominating in their early 30s.
They can play. I would not be surprised if they are a top 5-10 defense.
Additions: Patrick Surtain, Von Miller, Kyle Fuller…
In addition to all-pro Bradley Chubb from last year.
The Bronco secondary didn’t get torched all year last season. They finished basically middle of the league, with pass defensive stats very similar to NY Giants, Did our secondary get torched all year?
Hmm...is there a 3rd choice?
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where was it last year and why is it here now?
Additions: Patrick Surtain, Von Miller, Kyle Fuller…
In addition to all-pro Bradley Chubb from last year.
Bradley Chubb was All Pro?
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(assuming he is healthy) helps a lot, but why would we just discount last year. Their secondary was "theoretically' great last year but they got torched all year. Sounds to me like they were a product of the pass rush. So if our line holds up, we should be able to do some business. Of course, that will be the question all season.
The Bronco secondary didn’t get torched all year last season. They finished basically middle of the league, with pass defensive stats very similar to NY Giants, Did our secondary get torched all year?
It did. Which was the main reason that we added Jackson. We had a liability on one side of the field the entire season. Not only that, but Graham had to scheme by using zone to avoid putting CB2 on an island - not to mention having no answer when Bradberry missed a game.
Wow such incredible insight. Thank you for pointing that out. I appreciate you adding value to today's thread.
Finishing at or near the bottom of the league in pass defense and not having any answers to the problem week to week is being torched...
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
yikes hope not...thats a season ender if true obv.
Fights breaking out
Jones throws int right to Duggar
Shepard appeared to grab his shin and came off
Big Dex also appeared shaken up and came off
And we are only an hour in!
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Joe Judge said the focus in practices with the Patriots will be third down, red zone and two minute drill. #Giants
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Joe Judge: Saquon Barkley will be at practice on Thursday and will be wearing a non-contact red jersey. He is missing today due to a personal matter. Kyle Rudolph will work in individual drills this week as he works his way back.
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Kadarius Toney and Kenny Golladay will work with trainers today, as they have been.
Nate Solder will practice on a limited basis. #Giants
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Joe Judge: Physical contact of some kind will be necessary for Saquon Barkley before he plays a regular season game. What that contact will be and how he gets it will be decided.
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
That said, the Denver defense doesn't have to be as good or better than the Giants defense. It just has to be better than the Giants Offense.
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#Giants #Judge - managing ojulari..limited today....will be full sped thursday
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
Well, they were pretty awful in rushing defense and gave up a whole lot of touchdowns on the ground, so maybe take a look there.
Very few teams would ever say they are happy with their secondary, and the targeting of Surtain was because he was one of the best defensive players in the entire draft. Who couldn’t use him?
I do agree though that it is difficult to predict how will a defense will perform year to year. Far less predictable than the Offense imv. I think we have a better defense too.
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Joe Judge: Kyle Rudolph will bring a lot of value in situational football. He is a big target with good hands.
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John Ross and Elerson Smith also won’t practice.
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Don’t see Shane Lemieux. Kenny Wiggins stepped in at left guard in the offensive walk-through at the start of the practice.
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Shane Lemieux doesn’t appear to be out here as of yet. Kenny Wiggins running in his place again.
Lemieux hasn’t had many full practice sessions in camp, which isn’t ideal. #Giants
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CB Madre Harper is participating after injuring his groin Sunday. CB Josh Jackson remains on the side with a calf injury. Don’t see DL Danny Shelton, who missed Sunday’s game with an undisclosed injury.
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Also don’t see LB Tae Crowder, who had a sleeve on his calf while sitting out Sunday’s game.
How are we supposed to take something like this with a grain of salt? Why would you post this if there’s a chance it’s not true?
That said, he has not been seen at practice, supposedly….ugh
This would be a downer.
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#Giants DNPs today
Do not see: RB Saquon Barkley, G Shane Lemieux, LB Tae Crowder, DT Danny Shelton
On side w trainers: WRs Kenny Golladay, John Ross, Kadarius Toney, Austin Mack, edge Elerson Smith, CB Josh Jackson
Azeez Ojulari, dealing with something, will be managed
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Will Hernandez trades shoves w a Pats DL after 1v1 rep ended with both on the turf. Broken up pretty quickly.
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Andrew Thomas has been really strong in those drills so far. Giants need him to be their best o-lineman this season. Seems like he could be.
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Lemieux tore his patella tendon in his knee. I have more but cant share.
This would be a downer.
So what is the prognosis for a torn patella tendon? Is it season ending, 4 weeks, or something else? Does anyone know?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
The Giants spent a few mill on Jackson. Does that mean you think Giants being a top 5-10 defense is a projection?
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Giants O, 7/7 goal line drill, ball at 6
Daniel Jones 3/5, 2 TD to Engram, one to Kaden Smith, one throwaway due to good coverage
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BIG fight between Giants D line and Patriots O line, went to the ground. Ximines and Odenigbo at bottom of pile. Judge and Belichick making them run. Judge not happy at all #Giants
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Massive pileup fight w Giants d line and Pats o line. Leonard Williams was in the middle of it. Both units now taking a lap.
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Was just a pile up between #Giants D-Line and Patriots O-Line. Had to be separated. Leonard Williams came up with his helmet off.
Both entire units had to run laps.
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Giants DL and Patriots OL sent on laps after a fight during 1-on-1’s. Didn’t see what started it but other reporters spotted Dexter Lawrence in the middle of it.
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James White has been blistering Blake Martinez in one on one routes.
So what is the prognosis for a torn patella tendon? Is it season ending, 4 weeks, or something else? Does anyone know?
I just read it is surgery and 4-6 months before athletic activities. Obviously, everything described as a tear is not necessarily the same level of damage.
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where was it last year and why is it here now?
Additions: Patrick Surtain, Von Miller, Kyle Fuller…
In addition to all-pro Bradley Chubb from last year.
Chubb isn't All Pro. Fuller also has not been a great corner for a couple years now. Miller is great but he's coming off a serious injury. Surtain is a rookie and they usually struggle. Not all concrete situations no matter how you look at it. It's "what if's".
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Julian Love had an interception off Mac Jones but dropped it.
Tough break for “Duct Tape”. #Giants
I now can see why they traded up to draft Robinson in the 3rd round.
I could see Jackson playing the slot until Robinson gets healthy and Rodarius Williams playing the boundary if Holmes struggles.
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McKinney almost comes down with a pick on deep pass from college teammate Mac Jones. Wrote about Xavier in today’s paper.
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Shane Lemieux doesn’t appear to be out here as of yet. Kenny Wiggins running in his place again.
Lemieux hasn’t had many full practice sessions in camp, which isn’t ideal. #Giants
I guess Wiggins is next man up if Lemieux can’t go, but they have about 4 backup LG candidates. I’m surprised Wiggins has been able to hold them off so far. Maybe Larsen will edge him out.
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Nate Solder just took a real live rep at right tackle with Mike Glennon at QB. First time we have seen Solder in any live contact in a long while since that apparent shoulder injury #Giants