answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
Well, they were pretty awful in rushing defense and gave up a whole lot of touchdowns on the ground, so maybe take a look there.
Very few teams would ever say they are happy with their secondary, and the targeting of Surtain was because he was one of the best defensive players in the entire draft. Who couldn’t use him?
I do agree though that it is difficult to predict how will a defense will perform year to year. Far less predictable than the Offense imv. I think we have a better defense too.
This is why you need to watch the games, the Broncos offense was completely inept last year and often put the defense in awful positions game in game out. Chubb missed the last few games and they were awful in that span. They were missing their best player all year and added a ton of secondary talent to a defensive guy that is a wizard with secondary play. They also play in a very good division offensively.
I do believe we should be running the fuck out of the ball against them, that's their weak spot, but the Broncos defense is going to be top 5 this year if they stay healthy in key spots.
Losing an elite player at an elite positional value spot is going to have really negative effects. Chubb is good, but he's not on Von Miller's level. I do like the matchup for us though because we are going to be a tough out on the ground for everyone this year.
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Daniel Jones had started off well but just forced a bad pass into double coverage for an easy interception by Kyle Dugger. Intended for Darius Slayton. #Giants
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Sterling Shepard appeared to grab his right shin and was in some pain after a run block. Will monitor.
Dexter Lawrence labored off after hitting the ground inside on one play, unsure what happened. Still on sideline. #Giants
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Pats 2:00 drill aided by D holding against Darnay Holmes and nice over-shoulder catch from James White against Blake Martinez. They kick a field goal.
Lorenzo Carter was in the backfield early in drive, might not have been a sack but would have affected the completion.
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Mac Jones & Patriots 1st team offense just marched right down the field on Giants’ defensive starters and clocked it for a field goal. Jones was 5 for 5, picked on Darnay Holmes, who allowed at least one completion and had a DPI. Back shoulder to James White be Martinez set up FG
Guys on Patriots radio discussing Giants O in practice:
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Daniel Jones & Giants offense get a long Graham Gano FG thru after being held to 3-for-6, all short completions, one a sack I think. Two short to Slayton, one to Board. A drop by Griffin-Stewart #Giants
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Giants 2:00 drill a mess. Drop by Griffin-Stewart, incompletion to Haussmann. Of course if G-S and Hausmann are playing in a real 2:00 drill…
Anyway, Gano bails them all out with a 54y FG.
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I have Daniel Jones at 7 of 11 with an interception to start out in 11 on 11s. #Giants
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Joe Judge calling his offense together after a red zone period, gave them a talk with about half hour left in practice #Giants
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Jabrill Peppers walking off the field with a trainer. He does have a tendency to cramp up, though unclear if that’s what happened here yet. #Giants
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Mac Jones is picking apart the #Giants secondary in team drills. Not sure if he has an incompletion yet today.
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Trent Brown dominating on this drive at right tackle. Won vs Ojulari. Then tossed Ximines around. Patriots false start, but then a huge completion from Mac Jones to Jonnu Smith with Logan Ryan trailing
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Nate Solder and left guard Ted Larsen also getting some live snaps now next to each other with Daniel Jones
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Jones & first team O worked on a couple designed non-RB runs on last drive. Jones 1 for 3 on throws I think. A pressure that flushed him on another.
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O line gave Jones lots of time in 11s. Jones tucked and ran a few times, tried to hit Slayton deep on another and, well, you know.
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Peppers coming back onto field
RE: Guys on Patriots radio discussing Giants O in practice:
Not very impressive.
Said our D versus Pat's Offense: much more competitive.
When you look at the guys who are actually practicing, then yes, today’s performance isn’t very impressive. Zolack (assuming he’s part of radio team) is a tool.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
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Ryan Santoso just boomed two field goals. Judge was spotted shaking Belichick’s pockets trying to jar a 2023 seventh-rounder loose.
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Patriots have been making their field goals: but Ryan Santoso — whom Giants are lobbying for a job elsewhere — just made two straight from deep with Bill Belichick looking on #Giants #Patriots
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Wouldn’t want to be in Joe Judge’s corrections meeting tonight. Today hasn’t been good enough #Giants
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Both Peppers and Clement came back out. Peppers, who has a history of cramping, is back in drills.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Amazing- based on the previous tweets I thought Shepard was done. Jones throwing to Hausmann and others with first team O, but we will hear about how they struggled.
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Mac Jones with an absolute bomb TD on corner route to Jakobi Meyers w/ Adoree Jackson & Darnay Holmes beaten. Jackson & Meyers both slow to get up. Jackson now on bench with left shoe off having his foot looked at by trainers… as James White makes about his 7th catch on Martinez
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According to sources: The Giants beat reporters have also looked outmatched early on in these joint sessions vs the Patriots.
Paul Schwartz: 12:00 pm
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Giants starting offense (minus several key weapons) looks quite bad today vs. Patriots.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Ridiculous. So in 3 minutes we went fro bad to good? I'm tired of the knee jerk reporting on every little aspect of "practice"
Patriots have been a very serious team in their first
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Giants starting offense (minus several key weapons) looks quite bad today vs. Patriots.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Ridiculous. So in 3 minutes we went fro bad to good? I'm tired of the knee jerk reporting on every little aspect of "practice"
The offense didn't look good trying to drive the field.
They scored TDs in the red zone drill,which I believe starts on the six yard line.
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Practice completed.
Joe Judge take his team to the far field to “run the hill.”
A New England tradition.
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Judge putting players through sprints on Belichick’s infamous hill. Expect to see a similar hill in East Rutherford in the future.
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CB Adoree Jackson appeared to grab at his ankle after a play in live drills. Now with practice over he hobbled onto a cart and takes the ride inside. #Giants
RE: why do I keep reading about this great Denver D
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That was a rough practice for the Giants. The best quarterback on the field this afternoon (for one day at least) was Mac Jones. Had his way with the Giants defense. #Giants #Patriots
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answer this question. They gave up 500 points by - magic?
They drafted Surtain because they Clearly weren't happy with their secondary. I think saying they will be a top 5-10 defense is entirely projection. Across the board and depth, we have more talent.
Well, they were pretty awful in rushing defense and gave up a whole lot of touchdowns on the ground, so maybe take a look there.
Very few teams would ever say they are happy with their secondary, and the targeting of Surtain was because he was one of the best defensive players in the entire draft. Who couldn’t use him?
I do agree though that it is difficult to predict how will a defense will perform year to year. Far less predictable than the Offense imv. I think we have a better defense too.
This is why you need to watch the games, the Broncos offense was completely inept last year and often put the defense in awful positions game in game out. Chubb missed the last few games and they were awful in that span. They were missing their best player all year and added a ton of secondary talent to a defensive guy that is a wizard with secondary play. They also play in a very good division offensively.
I do believe we should be running the fuck out of the ball against them, that's their weak spot, but the Broncos defense is going to be top 5 this year if they stay healthy in key spots.
Losing an elite player at an elite positional value spot is going to have really negative effects. Chubb is good, but he's not on Von Miller's level. I do like the matchup for us though because we are going to be a tough out on the ground for everyone this year.
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Daniel Jones had started off well but just forced a bad pass into double coverage for an easy interception by Kyle Dugger. Intended for Darius Slayton. #Giants
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Sterling Shepard appeared to grab his right shin and was in some pain after a run block. Will monitor.
Dexter Lawrence labored off after hitting the ground inside on one play, unsure what happened. Still on sideline. #Giants
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Pats 2:00 drill aided by D holding against Darnay Holmes and nice over-shoulder catch from James White against Blake Martinez. They kick a field goal.
Lorenzo Carter was in the backfield early in drive, might not have been a sack but would have affected the completion.
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Mac Jones & Patriots 1st team offense just marched right down the field on Giants’ defensive starters and clocked it for a field goal. Jones was 5 for 5, picked on Darnay Holmes, who allowed at least one completion and had a DPI. Back shoulder to James White be Martinez set up FG
Said our D versus Pat's Offense: much more competitive.
I now can see why they traded up to draft Robinson in the 3rd round.
I could see Jackson playing the slot until Robinson gets healthy and Rodarius Williams playing the boundary if Holmes struggles.
Love can play the slot as well. Another option.
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Daniel Jones & Giants offense get a long Graham Gano FG thru after being held to 3-for-6, all short completions, one a sack I think. Two short to Slayton, one to Board. A drop by Griffin-Stewart #Giants
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Giants 2:00 drill a mess. Drop by Griffin-Stewart, incompletion to Haussmann. Of course if G-S and Hausmann are playing in a real 2:00 drill…
Anyway, Gano bails them all out with a 54y FG.
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I have Daniel Jones at 7 of 11 with an interception to start out in 11 on 11s. #Giants
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Corey Clement heading off the field w trainer.
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Joe Judge calling his offense together after a red zone period, gave them a talk with about half hour left in practice #Giants
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Jabrill Peppers walking off the field with a trainer. He does have a tendency to cramp up, though unclear if that’s what happened here yet. #Giants
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Adoree Jackson slow to get up. Just helped off the field. #Giants
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Adoree Jackson slipped in coverage and is hurt. Helped off field by trainers. Rodarius Williams replaces him with 1s.
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Adoree Jackson appears injured, but might have just been poked in the eye.
Dexter Lawrence back in for next 11 on 11, and Azeez Ojulari is now in on the edge #Giants
HUGE coverage bust and big Patriots gain to Kendrick Bourne. Might have been Jackson’s man crossing after inj
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Lorenzo Carter getting frustrated that they are not blowing plays dead when he is close to QB.
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And Adoree Jackson is back. All good.
He was back a play later. Thankfully.
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Mac Jones is picking apart the #Giants secondary in team drills. Not sure if he has an incompletion yet today.
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Trent Brown dominating on this drive at right tackle. Won vs Ojulari. Then tossed Ximines around. Patriots false start, but then a huge completion from Mac Jones to Jonnu Smith with Logan Ryan trailing
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Someone on Giants defense finally makes a play. Interior D line bats a Jones dump off incomplete
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And finally a Mac Jones incompletion. Would’ve been a sack by Ifeadi Odenigbo. Ball was tipped anyway. #Giants
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Nate Solder and left guard Ted Larsen also getting some live snaps now next to each other with Daniel Jones
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Jones & first team O worked on a couple designed non-RB runs on last drive. Jones 1 for 3 on throws I think. A pressure that flushed him on another.
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O line gave Jones lots of time in 11s. Jones tucked and ran a few times, tried to hit Slayton deep on another and, well, you know.
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Peppers coming back onto field
Said our D versus Pat's Offense: much more competitive.
When you look at the guys who are actually practicing, then yes, today’s performance isn’t very impressive. Zolack (assuming he’s part of radio team) is a tool.
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Jonotthan Harrison getting some work in front of Daniel Jones later in practice today
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Giants starting offense (minus several key weapons) looks quite bad today vs. Patriots.
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WR Darius Slayton walks off the field with a trainer.
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Jones to Shep TD caps 11s period.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
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Ryan Santoso just boomed two field goals. Judge was spotted shaking Belichick’s pockets trying to jar a 2023 seventh-rounder loose.
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Patriots have been making their field goals: but Ryan Santoso — whom Giants are lobbying for a job elsewhere — just made two straight from deep with Bill Belichick looking on #Giants #Patriots
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Daniel Jones playing well to end practice. A few nice TD completions in red zone. Been running a lot today to. #Giants
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Wouldn’t want to be in Joe Judge’s corrections meeting tonight. Today hasn’t been good enough #Giants
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Both Peppers and Clement came back out. Peppers, who has a history of cramping, is back in drills.
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Jonotthan Harrison getting some work in front of Daniel Jones later in practice today
If Lemieux does miss time, I'd like to see what Harrison at C and Gates at LG looks like in practice. Could be their best 5.
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Deep pass for Jakobi Meyers leaves both the WR and CB Adoree Jackson limping off.
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Mac Jones just beat Adoree Jackson and Darnay Holmes double covering A receiver down the field in a beautiful throw.
And Adoree Jackson limped off the field after. Appeared to be something with his left foot. Getting looked at by trainers. #Giants
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Amazing- based on the previous tweets I thought Shepard was done. Jones throwing to Hausmann and others with first team O, but we will hear about how they struggled.
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Mac Jones with an absolute bomb TD on corner route to Jakobi Meyers w/ Adoree Jackson & Darnay Holmes beaten. Jackson & Meyers both slow to get up. Jackson now on bench with left shoe off having his foot looked at by trainers… as James White makes about his 7th catch on Martinez
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Adoree Jackson has his left foot completely bare foot as he limps off with trainers #Giants
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Jonotthan Harrison getting some work in front of Daniel Jones later in practice today
If Lemieux does miss time, I'd like to see what Harrison at C and Gates at LG looks like in practice. Could be their best 5.
Agreed- I'd much rather Harrison on the starting OL rather than Wiggins. Wiggins should not be on an NFL roster..
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Adoree Jackson has his left foot completely bare foot as he limps off with trainers #Giants
Foot injuries are bad news for a DB. Lets hope this is just a cramp or a "boo-boo"
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Giants starting offense (minus several key weapons) looks quite bad today vs. Patriots.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Ridiculous. So in 3 minutes we went fro bad to good? I'm tired of the knee jerk reporting on every little aspect of "practice"
two pre-season games, winning both and averaging over 400 yards per game on offense and under 300 yards on defense.
No need to review Giants stats over past two games.
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Giants starting offense (minus several key weapons) looks quite bad today vs. Patriots.
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Daniel Jones just finished strong. Scored three TDs at end of red zone period: designed run & passes to TE Jake Hausmann & Sterling Shepard, both to his right. Shepard’s on a rollout buying time. Nice strike #Giants
Ridiculous. So in 3 minutes we went fro bad to good? I'm tired of the knee jerk reporting on every little aspect of "practice"
The offense didn't look good trying to drive the field.
They scored TDs in the red zone drill,which I believe starts on the six yard line.
Both can be true.
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Jackson has a huge wrap on his foot/ankle. He’s being carted off as practice ends.
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Practice completed.
Joe Judge take his team to the far field to “run the hill.”
A New England tradition.
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Judge putting players through sprints on Belichick’s infamous hill. Expect to see a similar hill in East Rutherford in the future.
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CB Adoree Jackson appeared to grab at his ankle after a play in live drills. Now with practice over he hobbled onto a cart and takes the ride inside. #Giants
They basically rebuilt their secondary with Fuller, Darby, and Surtain. All new corners.
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That was a rough practice for the Giants. The best quarterback on the field this afternoon (for one day at least) was Mac Jones. Had his way with the Giants defense. #Giants #Patriots