You had to know, deep down, both Judge and Belichick had shit-eating grins, because it was hot. Adversity hot. And no breeze. Just a pounding sun with ultra high humidity and no where to hide. The only wind was created by Robert Kraft's helicopter gracing everyone's presence midway through.
*The Giants again were the first team on the field and well underway by the time the Pats were. The OLBs were setting the edge. The ILBs were practicing Tampa 2 deep drops. Blake Martinez is your Grade A MLB and really stood out - his drops are effortless. His ability to make these deep drops and play all 3 downs is the centerpiece to this D and what it can do.
*The DBs were drilling combo coverage. At the snap they'd play man coverage before passing the WR off to zone. In the joint drills with the Pats, it was 2 bunched WRs vs. 2 DBs. They are really focusing on the pick mesh point, and how to defend/exploit. This game within the game has been carrying the Pats to easy wins for years.
*Ray Johnson III was busting his tail during drills. This kid wants it.
*In the 11 on 11's, they continued to rotate. I saw RB Gary Brightwell, WR C.J. Board and WR Dante Pettis, CB Sam Beal and CB Rodarius Williams work extensively with the starters. Trent Harris continues to be a primary reserve. Solder again took reps at starting LT.
*I was happy to see the Giants D make things more difficult on Mac Jones, who looked like he had a pretty tough go of it. Logan Ryan picked him off to start a drive and he was erratic after that. Graham was throwing some heat and using a 4 Safety Package with Love and Peppers up and McKinney and Ryan deep that created problems.
Cam Newton opened things up with a nice drive for a TD - but James Bradberry also dropped an INT on the drive, jumping a slant.
*The Giants O just looks plain ordinary. And I'm not blaming Jones or the OL. From a schematic standpoint, it looks like they relentlessly attack the short areas of the field. It's dink and dunk city. I'm not sure I saw more than 1 or 2 deep shots in 2 days. How many points can you reasonably expect to score with this approach? To be fair, the Pats operate in much the same fashion. They badly need Golladay, Rudolph, Toney & Barkley back on the field because they aren't scaring anyone without.
*Just a peek into what I think makes Judge so special: the teams were separated into 2 groups - a thud KR drill and Giants OL vs. Pats DL on the other end. Obviously the trench battle is more exciting - but there was Joe, standing behind the KR's as they went through a seemingly mundane walkthrough.
As you said, we badly need those skill guys on O healthy and ready to contribute week 1 hopefully.
"Gary Brightwell, WR C.J. Board and WR Dante Pettis, CB Sam Beal and CB Rodarius Williams work extensively with the starters."
Everyone ready for the Sam Beal Redemption Tour!?
"Gary Brightwell, WR C.J. Board and WR Dante Pettis, CB Sam Beal and CB Rodarius Williams work extensively with the starters."
Everyone ready for the Sam Beal Redemption Tour!?
I wonder if throwing Board and Pettis out there is the battle for the last roster spot at WR. Ditto for Beal and Williams, that's a very deep spot.
"Gary Brightwell, WR C.J. Board and WR Dante Pettis, CB Sam Beal and CB Rodarius Williams work extensively with the starters."
Everyone ready for the Sam Beal Redemption Tour!?
Maybe he meant Trent?
Ah, thanks. I was wondering if we kidnapped Nick Harris from Cleveland.
Barkley
Golladay
Engram
Toney
Ross
Rudolph
I know Ross is bubble guy, but he was brought in for the deep stuff.
"Gary Brightwell, WR C.J. Board and WR Dante Pettis, CB Sam Beal and CB Rodarius Williams work extensively with the starters."
Everyone ready for the Sam Beal Redemption Tour!?
I think JJ is capable of doing two things at once, giving starters some reps and evaluating players about to be cut one last chance to redeem themselves and to survive the next cutdown.
I believe Judge mentioned yesterday that these practice sessions will be focused on specific drills that they haven't had enough time to really work on during camp. That, plus not having a bunch of your #1 starters, means I wouldn't read too much into the type of offense they'd be running based on what they did yesterday or today.
I don't think Judge would "Columbo" Garrett (out of respect and JG seems like a good team guy), but he might respectfully ask him to take another role (whether JG would accept that, I have no idea).
People just fucking hate Garrett. Do people have complete amnesia on Kitchens as HC? Dude's offense was abysmal and completely misguided. There were also very strong rumors that when he was the interem OC the real star of the show coming up with gameplans was one of the positional coaches. After watching his offense as HC I certainly buy into that.
I think Garrett and Kitchens are actually a solid duo as they play off each others strengths and weaknesses well. Judging Garrett's offensive scheme (when Judge himself has a massive say) last year is asinine. That's how bad the talent was once Saquon went down and unreliable the young OL was for most the year.
I know it’s just training camp, but why is the offense still so stuck in the dink and dunk? Big plays on offense are the key to success in today’s NFL. But this Jason Garret no motion, three yards and a cloud of dust stuff is going to continue with Big Blue? Ugh… I hope getting the new WRs helps. On the matter of getting Barkley back, I see little reason for optimism that his return is going to fix the offense b/c it seemed pretty broken even when he was 100% healthy. And that’s not even factoring in the really serious knee injury he’s fighting back from.
Anyway, thanks for the camp reports. Along with Sy’s work this has been a real highlight to BBI during the preseason. Great stuff!
I know it’s just training camp, but why is the offense still so stuck in the dink and dunk? Big plays on offense are the key to success in today’s NFL. But this Jason Garret no motion, three yards and a cloud of dust stuff is going to continue with Big Blue? Ugh… I hope getting the new WRs helps. On the matter of getting Barkley back, I see little reason for optimism that his return is going to fix the offense b/c it seemed pretty broken even when he was 100% healthy. And that’s not even factoring in the really serious knee injury he’s fighting back from.
Anyway, thanks for the camp reports. Along with Sy’s work this has been a real highlight to BBI during the preseason. Great stuff!
Do you know who was on the field today and who wasn't? Therein lies your answer.
"Defensive tackle Bill Murray beat Giants offensive lineman Ted Larsen. Murray has had a special preseason — and he continues to build upon that. For the most part, however, the Giants offensive line took care of the Patriots’ defensive line in 2-on-2s."
"During the ugliest drive of the day from Jones (which, as mentioned, somehow ended with eight points), safety Xavier McKinney read Jones perfectly on the QB’s first snap of 11s. McKinney nearly picked off Jones on a target to Kendrick Bourne. On the next play, Logan Ryan picked off Mac Jones on a throw to Jonnu Smith"
PatriotsWire practice report - ( New Window )
He loaned them to Judge
Good stuff. Enjoy those cold beers tonight....you earned them.
Do you know who was on the field today and who wasn't? Therein lies your answer.
I think it’s in his post that KT and Kenny G and Barks aren’t on the field. But, Slayton and Shep and EE were out there right? There’s guys on the offense that can get down field. But, regardless, I just don’t buy this notion that once those star guys are on the field together Jason Garrett’s offense is going to morph into Big Red’s high flying Chefs or Tawmy Ugg’s swashbuckling Buccaneers. But I know it’s still just camp and no one wants me to be proven wrong more than I do.
The TEs were Smith, Stewart-Griffin, and Hausmann.
Right now, this offense is personnel wise the same as last year. Darius Slayton the only deep threat.
You guys act like Garrett doesn't know how to go vertical. His receivers in Dallas killed us and other teams all of the time with deep passing game. Same with the tight ends.
The TEs were Smith, Stewart-Griffin, and Hausmann.
Right now, this offense is personnel wise the same as last year. Darius Slayton the only deep threat.
You guys act like Garrett doesn't know how to go vertical. His receivers in Dallas killed us and other teams all of the time with deep passing game. Same with the tight ends.
I believe I heard Garrett has had two top twenty WRs in YPC mostly year over year, but that doesn't fit into the narrative people want to make. I don't know how you do that unless you are getting guys down the field. The big thing with him is he likes to do it with air yards and not YPC, and the offense reflects that. Lots of routes are set up to get his guys open down the field.
I'd definitely like to see more motion in the offense this year with a more experienced offensive line, but bitching about Garrett is asinine when he's proven to be a good OC when given the ingredients. There's little thigns he does well as a playcaller I like too, like running the naked backside QB boot and WR reverses. The problem is we had to go to the well too much there last year because the talent was so bad.
Is JG some offensive genius? No, but neither is fucking Freddie Kitchens. Dude's scheme and gameplan with the Browns was atrocious as HC. I do think they have good strenghts and weaknesses that will hopefully see play off eachother this year.
Don't be surprised the offense will look like ass when there's a bunch of ass out on the field.
The team making the playoffs really hedging on the health of those skill players and at the moment Toney is the biggest question mark if he'll be on the field Week 1, maybe Golladay but it seems like they're just being extra cautious with him.
Never mind how short handed last year’s offense was. Bad drive in august practice? Scream bloody murder about Garrett. Completely rational!
Also find it odd that we only seem to notice the bad offensive practices while the good moments go largely ignored around here.
In the joint drills with the Pats, it was 2 bunched WRs vs. 2 DBs. They are really focusing on the pick mesh point, and how to defend/exploit. This game within the game has been carrying the Pats to easy wins for years.
I believe our inability to run them well has been one of the sources of our weakness in the red zone. And perhaps our offense will learn from our defense how to make it difficult for the defense to defend a legal pick.
JFC - you actually nailed something. Well done!
In the joint drills with the Pats, it was 2 bunched WRs vs. 2 DBs. They are really focusing on the pick mesh point, and how to defend/exploit. This game within the game has been carrying the Pats to easy wins for years.
I believe our inability to run them well has been one of the sources of our weakness in the red zone. And perhaps our offense will learn from our defense how to make it difficult for the defense to defend a legal pick.
It seemed like every pick play the Giants ran last year was flagged for offensive interference. It would be nice to see that get ironed out this year.
And to be clear, my criticism of Garrett isn’t based on one practice report. I’m looking at his work over the course of last year with the Giants.
I wonder sometimes, how do guys manage the performance of your teams at work? Or your investments?
“Hey Jenny, it’s your manager. Yeah, your team didn’t get the big project launched on time. Cool though, you had a decent run at your last job. Couple more A players on your team and I know you’ll kill the next project.”
Or, “”Hey Sally, this is Franky over in Hoboken. I see my returns are down for the past year. That’s cool though, you’re a terrific financial advisor when you have high performing stocks”.
He needs a running game to create better down and distance. When that happens good things will follow imo. You create vertical opportunities in 2nd and 4/5 not 2nd and 10/11.