Francesa was on the most recent Bill Simmons podcast. He talked about how he likes Judge, but more importantly Mara LOVES Judge. He said the Giants are committed to Judge and he is not attached to either Gettleman or Jones. Francesa said that Judge will have a say in who the next QB is if Jones doesn’t pan out.
He also said the Belichick recommendation played a huge role in the hiring.
I don’t doubt that Francesa has sources in the building, just passing it along. Podcast linked below.
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It's fucking HOT in the northeast.,...
I'm very optimistic — which is not my normal state as a Giants/Mets/Knicks fan.
That's an interesting take. You actually think Mara has turned over such a big new leaf that Gettleman now essentially reports to Judge??
As much as I wish that were true - well, I wish Gettleman was no longer - Mara has ALWAYS stayed true to the dynamic of the HC and GM having separate reporting structures with the GM having significant say in personnel.
If Jones doesn't pan out, Judge should have more than a say in the next QB. It should be basically his call...
As for his actual point, nice to know he’s still getting brilliant tidbits from his “football people”
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the show and likes working with DG. Hard to believe that Mara isn't going to do with whatever Judge wants to roll with considering he LOVES him so much. Francesa has an ax to grind with DG because he shut off his access.
That's an interesting take. You actually think Mara has turned over such a big new leaf that Gettleman now essentially reports to Judge??
As much as I wish that were true - well, I wish Gettleman was no longer - Mara has ALWAYS stayed true to the dynamic of the HC and GM having separate reporting structures with the GM having significant say in personnel.
I don't think it is so much of DG reporting to Judge as DG has no problems being the one thrown under the bus if personnel moves don't pan out and is quite comfortable getting X, Y, and Z if the coach tells him that is what he needs. DG's problem is that he is an awful talent evaluator if he is told pick who you want and we'll make it work.
Gettleman needs to join his ol' buddy Kelvin Benjamin on the beach...
Haha, yeah that’s my first reaction. No shit Mike.
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the show and likes working with DG. Hard to believe that Mara isn't going to do with whatever Judge wants to roll with considering he LOVES him so much. Francesa has an ax to grind with DG because he shut off his access.
That's an interesting take. You actually think Mara has turned over such a big new leaf that Gettleman now essentially reports to Judge??
As much as I wish that were true - well, I wish Gettleman was no longer - Mara has ALWAYS stayed true to the dynamic of the HC and GM having separate reporting structures with the GM having significant say in personnel.
The power dynamic has always shifted under Mara, but they always work hand in hand (and probably the biggest reason we have been one of the most successful franchises since establishing this structure).
DG brought in the guys that Shurmur and Betcher wanted (and I do believe he had a bigger voice in the room and part of the reason he hired that milquetoast) but he also brought in the guys that Judge clearly wants (look at our most recent trade for an example of that).
He still has power (Andrew Thomas screams to me that's a DG guy), but he also works well with his coaching staff and peers. It was like that in Carolina too. Judge clearly trusts him and likes working with him. If I were a coach I would too, he's not one of those GMs where he has all the power and it's my way or the highway.
That's an interesting take. You actually think Mara has turned over such a big new leaf that Gettleman now essentially reports to Judge??
As much as I wish that were true - well, I wish Gettleman was no longer - Mara has ALWAYS stayed true to the dynamic of the HC and GM having separate reporting structures with the GM having significant say in personnel.
I don't think it is so much of DG reporting to Judge as DG has no problems being the one thrown under the bus if personnel moves don't pan out and is quite comfortable getting X, Y, and Z if the coach tells him that is what he needs. DG's problem is that he is an awful talent evaluator if he is told pick who you want and we'll make it work.
If that's the case, and I still don't buy it, than having DG around is superfluous. And he's basically just in the way.
I think the more interesting question is whether Abrams has as much power as Gettleman.
When Mara compliments Gettleman it’s about the upgrades to the ops and scouting tech. And then it turns to Judge and Gettleman work great together.
It’s also clear Gettleman doesn’t know all the details on what’s going on with the players. If he’s the personnel director that’s frightening. I don’t think he is.
My guess is Judge is the primary decision maker on players, and Abrams is running the budget and strategy.
I was surprised Gettleman came back this year. But per the comments Mara has made, there were still optimizations and modernization needed in the back of the house. That’s a good gig for Gettleman.
We actually know that it does not stink. Gates is a player and Hernandez is doing just fine thank you very much. LG is still a question.
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That's an interesting take. You actually think Mara has turned over such a big new leaf that Gettleman now essentially reports to Judge??
As much as I wish that were true - well, I wish Gettleman was no longer - Mara has ALWAYS stayed true to the dynamic of the HC and GM having separate reporting structures with the GM having significant say in personnel.
I don't think it is so much of DG reporting to Judge as DG has no problems being the one thrown under the bus if personnel moves don't pan out and is quite comfortable getting X, Y, and Z if the coach tells him that is what he needs. DG's problem is that he is an awful talent evaluator if he is told pick who you want and we'll make it work.
If that's the case, and I still don't buy it, than having DG around is superfluous. And he's basically just in the way.
2nd year head coach still learning to be a head coach and getting team fixed. Obviously Judge is involved more and more into player evaluation and acquisition decisions, but cannot do it all yet, especially admin and contract side of things in front office. Abrams and probably Obrien taking on more and more, and DG less and less on those fronts.
just a matter of time...
LOL.
And, this summer has been enough to make me more convinced than skeptical that Jones will pan out. In fact, I'm not sure if it's even a question anymore.
And, this summer has been enough to make me more convinced than skeptical that Jones will pan out. In fact, I'm not sure if it's even a question anymore.
What have learned about Jones this summer? Other than he seems to like steak and passes on mac n' cheese...
You have got to be kidding me?
Not sure why one would think that way. Based on practice football and coach press conferences?
When Mara compliments Gettleman it’s about the upgrades to the ops and scouting tech. And then it turns to Judge and Gettleman work great together.
It’s also clear Gettleman doesn’t know all the details on what’s going on with the players. If he’s the personnel director that’s frightening. I don’t think he is.
My guess is Judge is the primary decision maker on players, and Abrams is running the budget and strategy.
I was surprised Gettleman came back this year. But per the comments Mara has made, there were still optimizations and modernization needed in the back of the house. That’s a good gig for Gettleman.
The issue I have with your conclusions is this - if Mara trusts Gettleman to overhaul the scouting and personnel systems/processes, and Mara has expressed how impressed he is with those changes, why, then, wouldn't Mara let Gettleman make players decisions based on those systems?
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That's an interesting take. You actually think Mara has turned over such a big new leaf that Gettleman now essentially reports to Judge??
As much as I wish that were true - well, I wish Gettleman was no longer - Mara has ALWAYS stayed true to the dynamic of the HC and GM having separate reporting structures with the GM having significant say in personnel.
I don't think it is so much of DG reporting to Judge as DG has no problems being the one thrown under the bus if personnel moves don't pan out and is quite comfortable getting X, Y, and Z if the coach tells him that is what he needs. DG's problem is that he is an awful talent evaluator if he is told pick who you want and we'll make it work.
If that's the case, and I still don't buy it, than having DG around is superfluous. And he's basically just in the way.
A very successful one. There was a time when he and Dog were the best there was.
My uneducated guess is Gettleman is acting more in the role of contract project manager than he is team architect.
We know Abrams is negotiating the agreements, we know Gettleman is out of the know on some of the simple facts with the players.
My sense is Dave is in more of a ceremonial role right now.
If that's the case, and I still don't buy it, than having DG around is superfluous. And he's basically just in the way.
Right, cuz things will run so much smoother when judge has GM duties on top of being head coach, as opposed to working with a guy he gets along well with, and easily, handling those responsibilities. I'm sure he can't wait...
Based on the way Judge carries himself, the level of comprehension he shows in interviews/pressers, and his attention to detail, I have no problem seeing him taking the GM duties as well. Seems like the guy has a lot of capacity. And he could continue to let Abrams be the contract/cap guru, so he doesn't have to take on that additional role.
If poise and command of the information are a big part of success, I’m comfortable with those two.
& Simmons' love of Mac Jones...man, it's already insufferable.
Well, he hasn't set the world on fire in his time here so far.
At least the Gettleman hate has gotten some to like Abrams after years of bitching about him being a lackey and number cruncher.
Of course, that's conveniently forgotten
I don’t want Abrams managing Judge. I’d be comfortable if Abrams was the VP of Football ops and Judge head coach.
Is there some reason I'm not supposed to hate the clown?
Absolutely. But after watching his side by side in a press conference earlier this year, he at least sounded the part of professional, well-versed GM versus the GM who sounded like he would be better managing the parking lots at MetLife.
Plus, Abrams does seem to have grown into a very competent contract negotiator and cap manager. And those are vital skills. Whether he could manage personnel decisions certainly remains to be seen...
There would be risk allowing Judge to wear both hats. But I don't believe he could do worse than the incumbent.
I think the league has it backwards right now. The coach should pick his GM (or be the GM). That's exactly what Shanahan did in SanFran. Shanahan knows exactly what he wants and he picked the guy who he thought was the best fit to execute that.
Did he say something that is WRONG??
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when they get to have both titles.
There would be risk allowing Judge to wear both hats. But I don't believe he could do worse than the incumbent.
I think the league has it backwards right now. The coach should pick his GM (or be the GM). That's exactly what Shanahan did in SanFran. Shanahan knows exactly what he wants and he picked the guy who he thought was the best fit to execute that.
This setup can work, but there better be a President of Football Operations over the HC & GM as who would make the call to let one or the other, or even both go? Most of the owners are not skilled enough evaluators (see Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder) to really understand what is going on with their own teams.
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you guys make me sick. This site is becoming a swamp.
At least the Gettleman hate has gotten some to like Abrams after years of bitching about him being a lackey and number cruncher.
Of course, that's conveniently forgotten
Who are you claiming bitched about Abrams before but forgot about it and now like him?
Stay focused on this because you defend the front office in almost all instances so you may be conflating some of your rages, excuse me, debates on this topic...
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is an all-time clown....
A very successful one. There was a time when he and Dog were the best there was.
Yep and still a clown...
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is an all-time clown....
Did he say something that is WRONG??
Even a clown can be right twice a day.... wait, I think I mixed my metaphors :)
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when they get to have both titles.
There would be risk allowing Judge to wear both hats. But I don't believe he could do worse than the incumbent.
I think the league has it backwards right now. The coach should pick his GM (or be the GM). That's exactly what Shanahan did in SanFran. Shanahan knows exactly what he wants and he picked the guy who he thought was the best fit to execute that.
This setup can work, but there better be a President of Football Operations over the HC & GM as who would make the call to let one or the other, or even both go? Most of the owners are not skilled enough evaluators (see Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder) to really understand what is going on with their own teams.
Wouldn’t this need to be the case regardless of whether the GM picked the HC or the HC picked the GM? In either case someone with some brains needs to be above both of them— hold them accountable and know when to cut bait.
I was surprised Gettleman came back this year. But per the comments Mara has made, there were still optimizations and modernization needed in the back of the house. That’s a good gig for Gettleman.
I don’t know— when I think optimization and “modernization” in particular I don’t think Dave Gettleman. I mean I agree he’s having to LEARN some of the modern ways of doing things to adapt to the new NFL. But are they really making it his main job responsibility to implement that stuff? When he’s essentially learning it all on the fly? As an example— He stated when he first got here he doesn’t believe in analytics, and slowly he’s decided to actually implement some of that stuff (hiring “computer folks”)— but I’m not sure how much of an expert he can actually be in analytics to this point when he just started thinking it wasn’t a horrible idea like a year ago. I’m not sure he’s the guy we want to head up the “modernization” initiative.
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you guys make me sick. This site is becoming a swamp.
At least the Gettleman hate has gotten some to like Abrams after years of bitching about him being a lackey and number cruncher.
Of course, that's conveniently forgotten
Abrams being a number cruncher has always been a good thing.
He’s proven he’s an astute negotiator and a strong communicator.
Paired with Judge, it’s a good combo and I hope it happens.
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you guys make me sick. This site is becoming a swamp.
At least the Gettleman hate has gotten some to like Abrams after years of bitching about him being a lackey and number cruncher.
Of course, that's conveniently forgotten
Who are you claiming bitched about Abrams before but forgot about it and now like him?
Stay focused on this because you defend the front office in almost all instances so you may be conflating some of your rages, excuse me, debates on this topic...
Are you a clown on every thread? Are you saying people haven't criticized Abrams? Linked below is a thread where people not only don't want him as GM - with bw leading the charge - they think he sucks at the cap.
But lets look at two other comments from threads. From two time periods of the SAME poster!
After a press conference with Gettleman and Abrams(when Googs was still banned apparently):
LBH15 : 4/13/2020 1:56 pm : link
and the other doesn't know how to open his mouth. Too busy with his calculator
And as usual - Googs supporting his buddy to pile on - this thread was is Abrams will succeed Gettleman:
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2019 7:39 pm : link
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It's the Giants way.
Absolutely.
And if this happens, nothing will change. That's also the Giants way.
Abrams for GM?? No way! - ( New Window )
Also the archived link you provided doesn't go to a thread with that second post on 9/15/2019. Send me that thread.
You really are a fucking clown
becoming??
I’m starting to think the plan was always for Abrams to take over even when DG was hired. As soon as DG came on, Abrams role and exposure grew.
Here is a direct quote from DG on draft night regarding the trade with the Bears:
"I spoke to Ryan today before the draft and I spoke to him again. He called me again somewhere around the seventh pick, somewhere in there, and then we got on the clock and from there, (assistant general manager) Kevin Abrams took over and finished off the trade."
It appears you used another post between Jay on the Island and bw in dc in that archived thread, edited it to fit your twisted agenda and pasted it above to make it seem like I wrote it. Here is the original one with the same #stamp and same time of 7:39 pm as well.
This has got to be a new low, even for you. You really are the biggest chucklehead BBI has ever seen. Shame on you...
bw in dc : 9/15/2019 7:39 pm : link
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It's the Giants way.
Absolutely spot on.
And if this happens, absolutely NOTHING will change.
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=587411
Maybe this will help. Probably not though. Almost everyday there are still posts about if Parcells would have left right after the 1990 Super Bowl, Belichick would have been the next HC. That was never going to happen under Goegre Young's watch. I digress but it segue's into the OP. If the Giants were run in 1997 the way they are now Bill Parcells would have been back and Bill Belichick would have been with him and then he might have actually replaced Parcells when he left.
There are two families that own 50% each of the Giants.
The Mara family owns 50%. Wellington and Ann Mara had 11 children 4 Boys and 7 girls. Their 50% is split equally 11 ways. John is the oldest and he is the CEO of the Giants. Chris is the 3rd oldest (2nd oldest boy) and he is SR VP of Player Personnel. Susan Mara is the 2nd oldest and her son Tim McDonnell is the Co-Director of Player Personnel and thought to be the likely next generation CEO after John Mara. The Giants are the Mara family business.
The Tisch family owns the other 50%. Robert and Joan Tisch had three children that own their 50% equally. Steve Tisch is Chairman and Executive Vice President of the Giants. Jonathon Tisch is the treasurer of the Giants. Their sister Laurie Tisch does not seem to be involved in the day to day of the NY Giants. All three of the Tisch children are billionaires without the Giants from their family business Loews Corp.
The public face of the Giants is that the Mara family runs the football side of the business and the Tisch family runs the business side. IMO that seems to be a reasonable truth.
Again the Mara family runs the football side the business. The on field product. The Mara family (mostly John) has hired and fired every Giants coach since they fired Jim Fassel. The Giants GM does not have hiring or firing authority over head coaches. The last Giants head coach that was hired by a GM was George Young hiring Fassel in 1997.
The head coach of the Giants does not report to the GM, he reports to the CEO. The GM also reports to the CEO and Chris Mara is SR VP of Player Personnel which is on the same line as the GM on Org chart except he owns the team and can't be fired. The GM of the NY Giants is not a final authority position anymore. It has not been since George Young retired.
The GM of the Giants is a consensus builder with a lot of influence over the organization but not final say. It's reported that the GM has the final call on who the selections are on draft day and free agent signings but we have no way to know what goes on in the Giants offices, it seems there are a lot of cooks in the kitchen and a lot of people shopping for the groceries.
When Tom Coughlin was fired by John Mara he went out of his way to say that no coach of the Giants in his lifetime ever had more say in the selection of players than Tom Coughlin. That's probably why Jerry Reese wasn't fired at the same time although that was a terrible decision.
The Giants are 15-33 in the three years Gettleman has been GM. The head coach he lobbied to hire was an awful choice and fired after two years. The head coach that Bill Belichick recommend to John Mara took over a team with one of the worst rosters in the NFL and and after 1-7 start went 5-3 in the final 8 games.
There is no question that way that 2020 season finished bought Joe Judge much more organizational influence than he came in with. He has quickly become the face of the franchise.
So far in training camp the two biggest weakness from last year, the OL and the QB, are still the two greatest concerns for 2021. If neither of them improve during 2021 both the QB and the GM who selected him will not be with the Giants in 2022 and barring a disaster Joe Judge will be. We didn't need Mike Francesa to point that out.
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is an all-time clown....
Did he say something that is WRONG??
Even a clown can be right twice a day.... wait, I think I mixed my metaphors :)
We see it here everyday.
What is most important are the scouts working with the coaches to understand their needs. We are identifying much better talent after round 2. I hope the trend to keep and even add to draft picks continues. Players drafted after round 2 and UDFA that can be developed is the key.
Judge is the leader and communicator for the franchise. He is on the front lines with the team. If the GM communicates well that's great but it is not going to impact the on field product imo.
I part way with you a bit on the hiring of a HC. I think Mara has to ultimately give his final say, but the GM has always been integrally involved and seems to lead the process.
I part way with you a bit on the hiring of a HC. I think Mara has to ultimately give his final say, but the GM has always been integrally involved and seems to lead the process.
Do you think Reese led the charge in wanting McAdoo? Idk about that. Wasn’t it rumored that Patricia was the first choice in 2018, but he chose Detroit?
The Mara's hire the head coaches period. Even George Young wasn't allowed to fire Parcells by Wellington and Tim J. after 1983. But Young Hird Perkins, Parcells, the guy who came after Parcells and Fassel. Reeves was a Wellington hire when George Young couldn't get anyone that he wanted to say yes after 1992.
When Gettleman was the new GM was the time he had the most influence with the Mara's that he ever will. They gave him the coach that wanted in Shurmur but it was still their call not his. Gettleman, Abrams, anyone else you want to mention had no input in hiring Judge except saying yes when John Mara said we have our guy.
I was about to comment in the other thread and it got deleted mid-stream. Can't wait to hear the explanation on this one, if it comes.
The Mara's hire the head coaches period. Even George Young wasn't allowed to fire Parcells by Wellington and Tim J. after 1983. But Young Hird Perkins, Parcells, the guy who came after Parcells and Fassel. Reeves was a Wellington hire when George Young couldn't get anyone that he wanted to say yes after 1992.
When Gettleman was the new GM was the time he had the most influence with the Mara's that he ever will. They gave him the coach that wanted in Shurmur but it was still their call not his. Gettleman, Abrams, anyone else you want to mention had no input in hiring Judge except saying yes when John Mara said we have our guy.
arnie - I never read his book (at least I don't think I did) but I don't recall it so cut & dry like that between Accorsi and Coughlin.
Accorsi's first choice was Nick Saban back then to be coach. But when Saban wasn't interested, Accorsi very much pushed for Coughlin as the next best choice to the owners.
Long time ago, but that is what i remember...
There are many accurate parts of your post. There are vital points that are 180 from what happened ( I can assure you from unbiased folks that were directly involved).
Hopefully someday the conjecture points will get filled in for it is good for long term fans to understand the visibly chaotic look of the last years
Please don't misunderstand that what did happen doesn't make Ownership or DG a hero or villan. Opinions on them stand on many data points. Just not some mentioned above.
Take care. Especially this hurricane season
After I wrote that post I went digging to see if my memory was correct. I found this old article with a few Accorsi quotes that basically backs up those sentiments. Unless he is straight up lying in the article which i guess could be...
https://nypost.com/2004/01/14/accorsi-well-didnt-push-me-to-coughlin/
I think part of why Mara held on to TC was out of loyalty to his father's last hire.
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Saban wasn't interested, Accorsi very much pushed for Coughlin. Is not accurate.
After I wrote that post I went digging to see if my memory was correct. I found this old article with a few Accorsi quotes that basically backs up those sentiments. Unless he is straight up lying in the article which i guess could be...
https://nypost.com/2004/01/14/accorsi-well-didnt-push-me-to-coughlin/
Good pull, Googs. I have always believed the GM for Jints Central has considerable input in the selection process.
From the NYP link:
Can’t imagine Accorsi saying that if it weren’t true.
Remember, too, that when Mara wanted to replace Reese he brought in Accorsi to run that show as well.
Remember, too, that when Mara wanted to replace Reese he brought in Accorsi to run that show as well.
Who could forget that show? Recall they interviewed Marc Ross, Kevin Abrams, Louis Riddick and Gettleman. Not sure if I missed anyone else.
Gettleman's availability to be our next GM because of his departure from Carolina was just a perfect example of when the stars aligned for the NY Giants...
In it, Accorsi essentially admits that Gettleman was going to be his recommendation from the start and that was because he felt guilty not recommending Gettleman when he retired in 2006. In other words, like a few of us predicted before the start of the GM "search" in 2018, it was a fait accompli that Gettleman was getting the seat.
That's been broadly true but was completely the case in this last coaching cycle.
Reasons why are obvious.
Shurmur was not a DG or any Giant leaders prime preference
I’d say the Steelers have been pretty good in that category.
Seattle similarly bet big on Carroll and that worked out.
Mickey Loomis got it right with Sean Payton so he's 1/1 (not sure how much ownership there was involved in that).
Green bay has been blessed by QBs covering problems around them. None of their coaches or GMs have particularly distinguished themselves.
Despite his extracurriculars Irsay has actually done pretty well but he's also obviously made a bunch of poor hires too (and had good fortune with his 1st overall picks).
Those are basically the winningest teams in the last 2 decades though (along with NE, PIT, BAL). Philly is up there too but that's mostly on the strength of getting Reid right in 1999.
New England
Pittsburgh
Alabama
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and let's try to keep to franchises/owners who have had to actively do so within the last 2 decades (everyone other than the Pats).
New England
Pittsburgh
Alabama
Ignoring the exceptions you denoted...
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and let's try to keep to franchises/owners who have had to actively do so within the last 2 decades (everyone other than the Pats).
New England
Pittsburgh
Alabama
ok now try a team that's hired someone more recently than 2007.
You can say for certain who isn’t good at it...
You can say for certain who isn’t good at it...
indeed, critics always do seem to outnumber authors.
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You can say for certain who isn’t good at it...
indeed, critics always do seem to outnumber authors.
Yep. As does the need for it...
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would likely be matched with few examples for a particular team.
You can say for certain who isn’t good at it...
indeed, critics always do seem to outnumber authors.
Yep. As does the need for it...
31 teams end the year disappointed.
1 team doesn't.
the 31 can't just fire their way to the super bowl.
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would likely be matched with few examples for a particular team.
You can say for certain who isn’t good at it...
indeed, critics always do seem to outnumber authors.
Yep. As does the need for it...
31 teams end the year disappointed.
1 team doesn't.
the 31 can't just fire their way to the super bowl.
Then stay the course...always a viable strategy.
31 teams end the year disappointed.
1 team doesn't.
the 31 can't just fire their way to the super bowl.
Then stay the course...always a viable strategy.
Mickey Loomis, Kevin Colbert, and Ozzie Newsome would probably agree with that.
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31 teams end the year disappointed.
1 team doesn't.
the 31 can't just fire their way to the super bowl.
Then stay the course...always a viable strategy.
Mickey Loomis, Kevin Colbert, and Ozzie Newsome would probably agree with that.
Doesn’t matter. What would you do?
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31 teams end the year disappointed.
1 team doesn't.
the 31 can't just fire their way to the super bowl.
Then stay the course...always a viable strategy.
Mickey Loomis, Kevin Colbert, and Ozzie Newsome would probably agree with that.
Doesn’t matter. What would you do?
here's a simplified version based on my experiences:
1. let go of anyone when certain they can't do the job and are not adding value.
2. if not certain, work to improve. it's incumbent on whoever the ultimate decision maker is (in this case mara) to find a way to get the necessary production out of people or move them up to #1 and move on. You work at trying to put people in position to succeed as long as you think that's possible or until a clearly better alternative comes along. same as any player on the roster.
working towards improvement can be incremental and on the margins because you never know where there may be an unexpectedly positive tipping point. Like making Tom Coughlin fire Tim Lewis and John Hufnagel (which were correctly forced by ownership). pairing Gettleman with a strong young personality with a clear vision like Judge was a clear step in the right direction last year, as well as allowing new voices to come in from the outside. I highly doubt they would have the Bears first round pick if that didn't happen.
imo the #1 challenge Mara ran into in the last decade was that he had to make decisions to move on from 3 people who are going to be looked at pretty favorably in team history - Coughlin ('15), Reese ('17), and Eli ('19). Clearly not clean category 1 decisions like McAdoo, Shurmur, or Marc Ross. Mara got a lot wrong in the final years of the first 3 in a variety of ways. Mainly I think he thought Jerry Reese was the NYG Kevin Colbert or Ozzie Newsome or Mickey Loomis and he turned out not to be. That's on Mara but there's enormous difficulty in moving on from people who you know can get the job done when you are in an industry where more than 90% of new hires don't work out.
This isn’t about being always right or always wrong...it’s about preparedness and process. It’s not prevalent within the NYG franchise...not enough.
This isn’t about being always right or always wrong...it’s about preparedness and process. It’s not prevalent within the NYG franchise...not enough.
Specifically, which other franchises "preparedness and process" should they be more like?
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change. And there needs to be decision makers stepping back and others coming forward or new ones found.
This isn’t about being always right or always wrong...it’s about preparedness and process. It’s not prevalent within the NYG franchise...not enough.
Specifically, which other franchises "preparedness and process" should they be more like?
I don't rank them nor care to.
Based on last evening, an adequate player evaluation process to find a serviceable Left and Right Tackle (if not an OL altogether) would be a good start. I haven't seen a reliable one on the team for a decade.
Again, if its all good from your perspective then we can move on...
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and let's try to keep to franchises/owners who have had to actively do so within the last 2 decades (everyone other than the Pats).
I’d say the Steelers have been pretty good in that category.
Absolutely. It would be impossible to leave out the Rooney family in what they have been able to accomplish over the decades with respect to their Pittsburgh Steelers.
Their front office, coaching hires, and drafting has all been exemplary over the years. And that simply translates to their product on the field performing with great consistency and success.