Sorry but I have us going 0-10, with the first win against Philly and the final record of 4-13. We will pick 3rd in the draft.
for referral, here's the schedule -
Date Day Opponent Time Network
Sep 12 Sun Broncos 4:25 PM FOX
Sep 16 Thu at Washington 8:20 PM NFLN
Sep 26 Sun Falcons 1:00 PM FOX
Oct 3 Sun at Saints 1:00 PM FOX
Oct 10 Sun at Cowboys 4:25 PM* FOX
Oct 17 Sun Rams 1:00 PM* FOX
Oct 24 Sun Panthers 1:00 PM* FOX
Nov 1 Mon at Chiefs 8:15 PM ESPN
Nov 7 Sun Raiders 1:00 PM* CBS
Bye
Nov 22 Mon at Buccaneers 8:15 PM ESPN
Nov 28 Sun Eagles 1:00 PM* FOX
Dec 5 Sun at Dolphins 1:00 PM* FOX
Dec 12 Sun at Chargers 4:05 PM* FOX
Dec 19 Sun Cowboys 1:00 PM* FOX
Dec 26 Sun at Eagles 1:00 PM* FOX
Jan 2 Sun at Bears 1:00 PM* CBS
Jan 9 Sun Washington 1:00 PM* FOX
Jones jettisoned in the spring. New GM (not Abrams) and Judge go QB hunting in the spring.
11 losses.
Could be worse.
Might be a tad better (7 wins).
Jones jettisoned in the spring. New GM (not Abrams) and Judge go QB hunting in the spring.
This organization has been flailing wildly since 2011 trying to improve. It's like watching some idiot trying to punch a bee in the air.
What's the only constant since that time? Hmmmmmmm
That is by far the most asinine, pessimistic, self-deprecating thing I've heard on here in quite some time.
That is by far the most asinine, pessimistic, self-deprecating thing I've heard on here in quite some time.
Agree 100%. Listen even if we resemble the team that played the last 8 games last year (and I think we are better anyway) there is no freakin way we go 0-10. People on this Board can be totally insane at times.
If Jones somehow takes his game to the next level though, that could mean 1-2 more wins. If he regresses, the team wins 4-5 games and we clean house. Again.
Can we at least win our season opener for once? Other than 2016 the Giants have started 0-2 or worse every year since 2012.
Not looking good.
6-11
I am going to hold judgment until I see final team
Our division sucking helps too.
It's really a favorable schedule other than playing the AFC and NFC defending champs on the road. Dolphins and Chargers are also potentially tough opponents they will be facing on the road, but the good news is that other than the Bucs, these are AFC teams I'm talking about. The Giants NFC schedule is rather soft.
4-2 in division - one loss each to DAL and WAS.
It's really a favorable schedule other than playing the AFC and NFC defending champs on the road. Dolphins and Chargers are also potentially tough opponents they will be facing on the road, but the good news is that other than the Bucs, these are AFC teams I'm talking about. The Giants NFC schedule is rather soft.
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I can see 4+ wins from this group:
Broncos
Falcons
at Saints
Panthers
Raiders
at Dolphins
at Chargers
at Bears
p.s.--And with some bad luck, they could finish with the worst record in football. But I'm not greedy, I'd be thrilled with a top three pick.
4-13
And with our predicted 6-11, our new GM can trade up for our next QB if needed (JT Daniels???)
Defense should be solid and keep us in games. Offense will struggle early and hopefully once the walking wounded come back, hit their stride.
It's really a favorable schedule other than playing the AFC and NFC defending champs on the road. Dolphins and Chargers are also potentially tough opponents they will be facing on the road, but the good news is that other than the Bucs, these are AFC teams I'm talking about. The Giants NFC schedule is rather soft.
No reason they shouldn't start 7-0 or 6-1??? I don't know what state you live in, but I want some of what you're smoking! ;-)
No reason they shouldn't start 7-0 or 6-1??? I don't know what state you live in, but I want some of what you're smoking! ;-)
Jones - he hasn't played a game that counts yet. Let's Strat with that. The one time we saw him this year he was the exact same player he's been since he was drafted. He made a great throw, he turned the ball over inside in the 5 yard line. He got hit a lot. The ball came out late. He struggled or didn't have the time to scan the field. None of that had anything to do with a game plan. SSDY.
OL - The QB got hit a lot. The run blocking was not good on most plays. There is no depth as of now. There isn't a single above average OL on the roster again. It's hard to figure out if the OT's are worse than the OG's. Major draft capital has been spent to build this line and none of them is a plus player.
Injuries - The Giants gave BIG money to two skilled (WR & CB) FAs with injury histories. Both are already hurt neither is practicing now. Barkley hasn't taken a hit yet and who knows what level he'll get back to. Rudolph hasn't been hit yet and is now the starter because Engram is now injured and has always been a slow healer. The #1, #3 & #4 draft picks haven't practiced at all yet. The #2 pick is already being "managed" with "a leg injury" after dropping in the draft because of past knee issues. The starting LG who was a big question mark to begin with has a knee injury and didn't play with the starters.
So what I hoped could be a 10 win team if everything went right has had almost everything go wrong before game 1. Sadly my record predictions the past fews years have been pretty accurate. Please let me be wrong this year. Win 11 games. Why not us?
If Thomas and Peart fail DJ will not improve and it will be last season all over again.
Jones shows enough flashes to have his defenders (particularly given the likely awful OL play) but doesn’t really prove to anyone that he’s a franchise QB.
FWIW, I think the Bears to 6-11ish, so Giants would get first round picks in the #7-#10 range and the #10-#14 range.
Gut says Over 8 wins.
Brain says 5...
Hope to hell I'm wrong.
There are probably about a dozen other QBs that would win 2 or 3 more games with this roster than Daniel Jones too. It's not just the OL. It's both. Go back and watch how the OL played last year in Seattle with a QB who knew how to run the game even though he couldn't throw the ball.
I can see 4+ wins from this group:
Broncos
Falcons
at Saints
Panthers
Raiders
at Dolphins
at Chargers
at Bears
I like it. Even with 4-2 in division, 5 wins are do-able in those other games.
WFT - Loss
Falcons - Win
Saints - Loss
Cowboys - Win
Rams - Win (1 PM game at home)
Panthers - Win
Chiefs - Loss
Raiders - Win
Bucs - Loss
Eagles - Win
Dolphins - Loss
Chargers - Win
Cowboys - Win
Eagles - Win
Bears - Win
WFT - Win
11-6 Teams futures bright - I did score some of the toss ups as wins in the name of optimism (Rams/Chargers). Have us pegged at 9.5 wins on the total.
Mock me all you want, but this is a solid football team and the schedule sets up great going into the playoffs. May be the hottest team in football come January.
I cannot believe the gnashing of teeth over DJ's performance three days ago in his first live action in nine months - without having at his disposal four of his most important offensive weapons for the 2021 campaign and an offensive line that already looks radically different than it did against NE. I actually thought he played pretty damn well, save for one bad decision.
The defense will be good, but still needs that dominant pass rusher. An improved secondary will help in that department though.
OL is the big question mark, of course. I like the recent additions, but suspect it'll take about two regular season games for them to settle in and gel with everyone else. By Oct. 1 I think we'll see some pretty decent play from the whole team.
Even with Barkley back, I don't see us scoring a lot of points. I can't see him playing in all 17 games with this line blocking for him.
Garrett is gone during the bye week and DG is fired during the offseason.
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Predict the Bears record. *grin*
Other than two games against Detroit, the Bears have it rough with non-division games against the AFC North and NFC West (probably the two most competitive divisions in the NFL). It will be hard for them to finish worse than Houston, Detroit, and Jacksonville, but there's a good chance their pick will be in the top five or six, surely in the top ten. I'm gonna say 4-11 or 5-12 for them.
p.s.--And with some bad luck, they could finish with the worst record in football. But I'm not greedy, I'd be thrilled with a top three pick.
Unless Dalton and Fields got hurt they aren't going to compete with the worst teams of football. Top 5 is certainly possible though.
I just don't know where on the schedule these 10 wins are.
These specific road games are brutal - WFT, Saints, Chiefs, Tampa, Miami and LA Chargers. Talented teams on both sides of the ball. I mean, that's very likely 6 losses right there...
Until this team proves they can play with consistency on offense, I think we are wishfully thinking.
I also don't think our schedule is very difficult.
This feels like an above .500 season to me. I think we go 10-7. I have a lot of faith in the coaching staff (Outside of Garrett) and I think they have more talent to work with than they did last year, with a full year under their belt.
Just fucking beat Denver and we'll all feel so much better. I truly believe that. This team needs to win their first game in the worst way.
Offensively, I think the line is going to be a disaster, while the skill positions are markedly improved.
+2 wins from last year 8-9.
So unfortunately I see a 5-12 season.
If we could keep the starters healthy and our draft picks developed and our FA signings pan out? We could win the east. That would be amazing but I just don't see it with Garrett and Jones. Hope I'm wrong.
6-11 or 7-10.
Defense ranks around 8th in league.
Offense ranks around 25th in league.
If the over all record is worse, and maybe even if it is as above, then Gettleman (hopefully) is gone.
I reckon injuries may well seriously impact our offensive production, along with the OL struggles.
I'm a big Joe Judge fan, but his comments earlier about our OLine being fine, reallly took me back. I just don't see it. I felt they made a strategic mistake not drafting an offensive lineman in the draft, I would have gone OL first round, WR second round.
And Daniel Jones has been just okay, which is pretty much how he was regarded before he was drafted. He's just okay, nothing more, and we need better than that, so I can see the Giants replacing him next season.
Best defense in the NFL.
Andrew Thomas Orlando Pace's himself into the Pro Bowl.
The defense looks okay and could be a good unit, but is the NFL set up to allow a defense to carry a team anymore?
There are probably about a dozen other QBs that would win 2 or 3 more games with this roster than Daniel Jones too. It's not just the OL. It's both. Go back and watch how the OL played last year in Seattle with a QB who knew how to run the game even though he couldn't throw the ball.
This post should be pinned. OL looked better in the Cleveland game too last year.
I think Jones is a Pro Bowl alternate this year.
I’ll go 10-7.
+3 in the home opener against a team starting Teddy Bridgewater in his first game with the team. Tells you what the oddsmakers feel about what they've been seeing from the Giants.
I am so fucking tired of this shit.
Although I’m rooting for him, I think Daniel Jones keeps their ceiling at 8-10 wins. Coaching, defense, special teams, and the play of Barkley keep the Giants in the hunt for a playoff spot.
+3 in the home opener against a team starting Teddy Bridgewater in his first game with the team. Tells you what the oddsmakers feel about what they've been seeing from the Giants.
I am so fucking tired of this shit.
Sorry to hear that. Just a suggestion, maybe try Gambler’s Anonymous? I mean, if you’re so vested in wagering that line changes upset you so, then maybe the support there would help.
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The line against the Broncos has moved to Giants +3.
+3 in the home opener against a team starting Teddy Bridgewater in his first game with the team. Tells you what the oddsmakers feel about what they've been seeing from the Giants.
I am so fucking tired of this shit.
Sorry to hear that. Just a suggestion, maybe try Gambler’s Anonymous? I mean, if you’re so vested in wagering that line changes upset you so, then maybe the support there would help.
I actually was going to lay off until I saw it move to 3, good buy opportunity and what should be a one possession game either way.
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The line against the Broncos has moved to Giants +3.
+3 in the home opener against a team starting Teddy Bridgewater in his first game with the team. Tells you what the oddsmakers feel about what they've been seeing from the Giants.
I am so fucking tired of this shit.
Sorry to hear that. Just a suggestion, maybe try Gambler’s Anonymous? I mean, if you’re so vested in wagering that line changes upset you so, then maybe the support there would help.
The sad thing is you probably think you're clever.
The more important question is...
What week does DG get fired? Got a special bottle of bourbon reserved for that announcement.
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The line against the Broncos has moved to Giants +3.
+3 in the home opener against a team starting Teddy Bridgewater in his first game with the team. Tells you what the oddsmakers feel about what they've been seeing from the Giants.
I am so fucking tired of this shit.
Sorry to hear that. Just a suggestion, maybe try Gambler’s Anonymous? I mean, if you’re so vested in wagering that line changes upset you so, then maybe the support there would help.
The sad thing is you probably think you're clever.
No, just helpful.
The more important question is...
What week does DG get fired? Got a special bottle of bourbon reserved for that announcement.
Gotta pick up some champagne for that myself
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In comment 15349440 Go Terps said:
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The line against the Broncos has moved to Giants +3.
+3 in the home opener against a team starting Teddy Bridgewater in his first game with the team. Tells you what the oddsmakers feel about what they've been seeing from the Giants.
I am so fucking tired of this shit.
Sorry to hear that. Just a suggestion, maybe try Gambler’s Anonymous? I mean, if you’re so vested in wagering that line changes upset you so, then maybe the support there would help.
The sad thing is you probably think you're clever.
No, just helpful.
You want to be helpful you can start posting intelligently about football instead of other posters. As far as I can tell you just exist here to comment (usually stupidly) about other posters. There's a reason no one's following you around the way you follow me.
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In comment 15349440 Go Terps said:
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The line against the Broncos has moved to Giants +3.
+3 in the home opener against a team starting Teddy Bridgewater in his first game with the team. Tells you what the oddsmakers feel about what they've been seeing from the Giants.
I am so fucking tired of this shit.
Sorry to hear that. Just a suggestion, maybe try Gambler’s Anonymous? I mean, if you’re so vested in wagering that line changes upset you so, then maybe the support there would help.
The sad thing is you probably think you're clever.
No, just helpful.
You want to be helpful you can start posting intelligently about football instead of other posters. As far as I can tell you just exist here to comment (usually stupidly) about other posters. There's a reason no one's following you around the way you follow me.
Terps, you do know that the line moves because of how the bets are coming in. So it is not the bookies moving the line, it is the number of bets coming in for the Broncos. Yes, IIRC the original line was +1.5. still home dogs.
Let's see how the line changes when Barkley, Toney, Golladay and Rudolph are practicing next week.
The Maras continue to think they have football acumen and put together another lackluster regime.
Eric decides he's had enough and closes the site
The Maras continue to think they have football acumen and put together another lackluster regime.
Eric decides he's had enough and closes the site
Judge won't be let go. Guarantee it. Or only if he lost the dressing room and it's pretty obvious he is not someone that that that happens too.
I would love a fresh start away from Gettleman.
IF this team is still a hot mess at the end of the year, I don't think Judge is immune from getting the heave ho.
He likely remains, especially with all the money the Giants would owe him, but since I'm being pessimistic, I threw him in. The rest I think are very real possibilities.
His personnel say may get reduced, though.
IF this team is still a hot mess at the end of the year, I don't think Judge is immune from getting the heave ho.
He likely remains, especially with all the money the Giants would owe him, but since I'm being pessimistic, I threw him in. The rest I think are very real possibilities.
His personnel say may get reduced, though.
He’s not in control of personnel decisions. And, if yet another coach is gone after two years, what does it say about the player personnel department? Yikes.
+3 in the home opener against a team starting Teddy Bridgewater in his first game with the team. Tells you what the oddsmakers feel about what they've been seeing from the Giants.
I am so fucking tired of this shit.
We're all tired of it.
I know we don't like comparisons and they don't mean fuck all, but back on 2005 the Giants were 1.5 pt favored against the dreadful Cardinals, at Giants stadium. Cards were coming off a 6 win season in 04 and after being expected to go 6-10 in 05, proceeded to go 5-11. Not quite as damning as being a 3 pt home dog vs Denver, but it still illustrates how perennial bad teams are perceived until they are good. Some liked the 05 Giants, many more did not.
Giants have to prove it first, but these predictions of doom and gloom from vegas really don't mean a fucking thing. They have been proven wrong before and will be again.
The Maras continue to think they have football acumen and put together another lackluster regime.
Eric decides he's had enough and closes the site
You're out of your mind or just trying to make a memorable prediction. Either way it won't happen. 2-3 of those names have virtually no chance of being fired and I don't think DG gets fired either.
They aren't a bad team. You're all going to see soon enough. Defense can carry a team. It's not all about the offense.
IF we suck donkey balls again, the management (DG/Abrams) is fair game for the chopping block. A rebuild that has gone nowhere is not grounds for keeping them. A lot depends on why the W column is so low, but deserving or not, there needs to be a scapegoat to give the fan base some reason to stick around, and DG is a prime candidate, with Abrams right behind him.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope the team wins a lot and a solid core of players have been assembled. Until it happens, though, I am not a believer.
Just win ugly. Play defense. Win ugly. Get some traction on the season for one fucking time. Manage the fucking season and get some wins early on. IT aint asking that much with this defense. Go out there and earn this praise everyone is giving them. Win 16-10 type games. No more excuses.
5-12
If we somehow go 2-0 to start, we are going 11-6.
If we go 1-1, we are going 9-8.
If we go 0-2, we are going 5-12
Not that our predictions mean diddly, but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement over last year. Arrow pointing up, but not all that steep a climb. By the time we get to the finishing touches, the first touches will be in need of replacing. One of these years, we need to kill it in the draft, and I don't think that has happened yet.
Last year, a big excuse was first year Judge on a no pre-season covid year. Second year Judge with a pre-season ought to be worth a w or 2.
I'm a pessimist, so that's my excuse for not having much faith.
And still miss out because the Eagles tanked.
And still miss out because the Eagles tanked.
That's not impossible, actually.
Dallas, at Philly, at Chicago and WFT.
The game against WFT could be a playoff game...