If recent history matters, the Broncos suck worse than the Giants. Not only did they finish with a worse record last year, they finished the season in a much less encouraging way.
The second half of '20, the Giants went 5-3; broncos went 2-6. Our coach had our team improving; the broncos have regressed (worse in '20 than in '19 and worse second half of '20 than first half = bad trend for a coach (Pat Shurmur like)). F Montee and his balls.
You said you’re down on the team talent wise. What do you think the glaring deficiencies are that will cause us to suck?
The Humpty Dumpty o line is as glaring as you can get.
Kellerman in his new radio gig mentioned multiple times how he had the Giants winning the NFCE but after watching the game against the Pats is down on them too, mainly because of the OL
The OLine is the key to the season as usual for the Giants.
IMO If the Giants can field a league average OLine they have a chance to have a playoff team. Of course if the OLIne is league average the QB has to raise his game to league average too.
In Jones first two years both his line and his play have been as bad as it gets in NFL. Until that changes nothing changes in the win column.
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Until then, everybody can just stfu. Unless you're a fan, of course, them just go on debating everything :)
We do seem to have a lot of master debaters here.
That is what losing, and losing, and losing year after year warrants, and there is only one way to change that, and that is to go at least 9-8. Anything less is same ol same ol..
The OLine is the key to the season as usual for the Giants.
IMO If the Giants can field a league average OLine they have a chance to have a playoff team. Of course if the OLIne is league average the QB has to raise his game to league average too.
In Jones first two years both his line and his play have been as bad as it gets in NFL. Until that changes nothing changes in the win column.
Jones rookie year was bad?
If this remark reflects where Denver's head is on this one
Until then, everybody can just stfu. Unless you're a fan, of course, them just go on debating everything :)
We do seem to have a lot of master debaters here.
That is what losing, and losing, and losing year after year warrants, and there is only one way to change that, and that is to go at least 9-8. Anything less is same ol same ol..
You keep mentioning the Giants have been bad for years, yes there is no debating that, but ehat does that have to do with this year..
It seems you cant evaluate thr current team without bringing up years before which have no bearing on this year
The OLine is the key to the season as usual for the Giants.
IMO If the Giants can field a league average OLine they have a chance to have a playoff team. Of course if the OLIne is league average the QB has to raise his game to league average too.
In Jones first two years both his line and his play have been as bad as it gets in NFL. Until that changes nothing changes in the win column.
Jones rookie year was bad?
That kind of tells you where some (very negative) fans are coming from.
In 12 GS: 24 TDs, 12 INTs, 3027 yds passing, 280 rushing, with 2 or 3 rookie records.
If DJ played for another team, some of these negative Giant fans would probably say he's got potential, based on his rookie yr (and they'd prolly be more understanding about the shit he had going against him in his 2nd yr).
by the quick reaction from the FO after the Pats game in tossing all the back ups but one, using 2022 resources in finding new and unknown Oline personnel in one day, and then disclosing that Lemieux has a torn ACl
But I do think this team has improved, that they made a tough out last year and that they will be an even tougher out this year. I think if the new additions this year (Golloday, Jackson, Rudolph, and have to include Barkley) make better than average contributions this season that the Giants will go far this year.
I also think that all of the NFCE has issues and can be beaten, tha the best prepared and healthiest team has the best shot to win the division.
What i strongly believe is that we have a terrific coaching staff and that they are going to make the most of this team's assets, and that they will have a well thought out game plan for each game this year. I think Golloday, Jackson and Rudolph were terrific additions to this team - filling critically needed boosts in areas of need.
I disagree with Joey about Jones -- I think Jones will show improvement this year and that he is a tough hard working kid with moxie. Will be be perfect -- that's doubtful. Will he make less mistakes and be sharper -- I think so.
I'd be lying if I told you I am 100 confident in the O line right now, but I do think they have talent as a unit and that they have a great coaching team supporting them. Let hope they shake off, grow together, and improve game to game.
that's till not "as bad as it gets" which was stated above. Tons of ridiculous takes on both sides of the argument but that one is as bad as it gets. Its ok to be critical of Jones, it isn't ok to make things up.
he had 5 really good games, including the 3 "monster games". Two of those games were against .500 or near .500 teams, that had pretty good defenses (Bucs and Bears).
The Giants overall, were not a good team in '19 and they weren't well coached. Don't blame the rookie QB for the fact the team sucked.
Not comparing Jones' career to Peyton's or Aikman's (that will have to be done in the future), but have you looked at their rookie years lately?
I just picked those 3 QBs off the top of my head. I'm sure I could use many other QBs rookie years for comparison, but it won't matter to guys like you.
Should print this quote on a piece of paper and post in on every damn locker!!!!!
Why would they do that?
Ball is not a member of the 2021 Denver Broncos. He's a FORMER Bronco who retired 7 years ago after a 2 year career in which he gained just 731 total yards. So why would the Giants' players be motivated by what an unsuccessful, ex-player says?
If a similar RB (like Orleans Darkwa) said that the Denver game would be a cakewalk for the Giants, do you think the Broncos would care?
One of Jones' supposed big selling points was that he had been tutored by David Cutcliffe for four years and would be the most pro-ready QB. So, yeah......
And, yes, DBs were actually allowed to defend prior to 2005, so it is indeed silly to compare.
Until then, everybody can just stfu. Unless you're a fan, of course, them just go on debating everything :)
We do seem to have a lot of master debaters here.
That is what losing, and losing, and losing year after year warrants, and there is only one way to change that, and that is to go at least 9-8. Anything less is same ol same ol..
You keep mentioning the Giants have been bad for years, yes there is no debating that, but ehat does that have to do with this year..
It seems you cant evaluate thr current team without bringing up years before which have no bearing on this year
The O line sucks, and that is this years team, so stop thinking this team is winning already, because they haven’t., and because the O line sucks I can’t see any improvement in the team, or record.
let's look at completion% and QB ratings in rookie seasons
Until then, everybody can just stfu. Unless you're a fan, of course, them just go on debating everything :)
We do seem to have a lot of master debaters here.
That is what losing, and losing, and losing year after year warrants, and there is only one way to change that, and that is to go at least 9-8. Anything less is same ol same ol..
You keep mentioning the Giants have been bad for years, yes there is no debating that, but ehat does that have to do with this year..
It seems you cant evaluate thr current team without bringing up years before which have no bearing on this year
The O line sucks, and that is this years team, so stop thinking this team is winning already, because they haven’t., and because the O line sucks I can’t see any improvement in the team, or record.
How do you know the oline stinks? because of 1 half of a oreseason game?
The same oline that was making Wayne Gallman and Alfred Morris look like good rbs?
Fact you do not know what is going to happen thisbyear so stop talking in absolutes..
he had 5 really good games, including the 3 "monster games". Two of those games were against .500 or near .500 teams, that had pretty good defenses (Bucs and Bears).
The Giants overall, were not a good team in '19 and they weren't well coached. Don't blame the rookie QB for the fact the team sucked.
Not comparing Jones' career to Peyton's or Aikman's (that will have to be done in the future), but have you looked at their rookie years lately?
I just picked those 3 QBs off the top of my head. I'm sure I could use many other QBs rookie years for comparison, but it won't matter to guys like you.
You be glass empty guy. You do it well.
How about this QB's rookie year? His team only went 6-9 in his 15 starts as well but let's not let blame the rookie for the fact the team sucked...
Until then, everybody can just stfu. Unless you're a fan, of course, them just go on debating everything :)
We do seem to have a lot of master debaters here.
That is what losing, and losing, and losing year after year warrants, and there is only one way to change that, and that is to go at least 9-8. Anything less is same ol same ol..
You keep mentioning the Giants have been bad for years, yes there is no debating that, but ehat does that have to do with this year..
It seems you cant evaluate thr current team without bringing up years before which have no bearing on this year
The O line sucks, and that is this years team, so stop thinking this team is winning already, because they haven’t., and because the O line sucks I can’t see any improvement in the team, or record.
How do you know the oline stinks? because of 1 half of a oreseason game?
The same oline that was making Wayne Gallman and Alfred Morris look like good rbs?
Fact you do not know what is going to happen thisbyear so stop talking in absolutes..
Fact you don’t know either, so until they become a winning team they are still the same Giants that they have been the last four years. Time will tell, and nothing else.
Yep all roads lead to the OL and Jones this year. Garrett also. With that said, I think Jones will improve, our defense will be at least a top ten, and Judge and his staff add a lot to the mix. I think we just might end up with a winning record. We shall see.
until they demonstrate otherwise. Defense also has to get much better at stopping the run, and getting off the field on third down when they really need a stop. Learning how to finish is one of the hardest things to do in the NFL.
Is 2021 when it begins to happen? This is why they play the games. We're unlikely to see positives across the board, it rarely happens in football that every decision goes in your favor. NYG is at a crossroads, big year to switch the script and perspectives of the team, let's go!!
Rankings, NY is the 6 th worst team in football and Denver 8th. Neither team should be confident about a win. Anyone want to guess why we rank there? Joey gets the bullseye ! QB and OL.
This debate keeps going round and round. This organization AND team on the field sucks donkey balls - until they don’t. Win and people will shut up and stop trashing us. I think everyone in the organization knows this.
If you want to give these predictions end all be all credibility or at least enough to feel that there's NO shot this year, have at it. But I can keep on posting all the wrong predictions of prior seasons, including just about every good NYG season. Literally, just about all of them saw the masses end up surprised, because the Giants are always supposed to suck. Sometimes the masses are right and sometimes they aren't.
Reminder the 2017 Eagles were pretty much panned by most prior to that season.
predicting that NYG will NOT suck this year. I feel extremely comfortable saying that. I think it's risky to predict W/L records with a younger unproven team like this, but I don't feel out of line saying that the Giants will be a very tough team to deal with. I see a lot more answers than questions and I think the preseason hysterics are comical, but that doesn't mean I think the OL will infallible. I figure the unit will be up and down but end up better than expected, probably slightly below average.
The D will be our strength. The key to the season is the big play factor on offense, both good and bad. We will be in a LOT of games. Enjoy the season.
before the BArkley injury. Had the D surprising people. I envisioned that they could sneak in 9-10 wins if things broke the right way, but once Barkley went down the offense lost its only true playmaker.
The best player on the offense in 2020 was Daniel Jones. Now he has help.
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You keep mentioning the Giants have been bad for years, yes there is no debating that, but ehat does that have to do with this year..
It seems you cant evaluate thr current team without bringing up years before which have no bearing on this year
Or course it has bearing. We're relying on the same unproven players as last year to serve an absolutely critical function on the team, and they haven't shown they're better. When they have played, it's been more of the same.
2 years in the NFL and didn't do shit except show up for a try out 30lbs overweight, spent 60 days in home confinement, violated his parole, and beat up 2 women
The OL and spotty QB Play is going to doom this team for another year. Nothing really improved on the OL this year and the recent trades and signings for OL after pats game reeks of desperation.
The OL and spotty QB Play is going to doom this team for another year. Nothing really improved on the OL this year and the recent trades and signings for OL after pats game reeks of desperation.
I like Judge, but this team can't fix the OL
Haha. Wtf? So they’re going to win HALF as many games as they did last season? This team is twice as bad as last years?
I will bet you any amount of money that you want on that. I’ll take the over on that 3 wins. Any amount that you want.
To add to my 3-14 prediction on why I feel this way, This
team suffers an incredible amount of injuries and I feel a good portion of these injuries are from lack of poor conditioning. This is going to play out on the field, We
Played 3 pre season games and the regular starters..not even one of them has played 3 quarters in a row together. As a result; they are going to be so out of sync to start the season we might be looking at 0-4 before we see some gelling of the lines. Our no 1 pick (KT) and best player(SB) hasn't even sniffed the field for goodness sakes.
The OL and spotty QB Play is going to doom this team for another year. Nothing really improved on the OL this year and the recent trades and signings for OL after pats game reeks of desperation.
I like Judge, but this team can't fix the OL
If you are taking bets on that prediction let me know.
I don't disagree with most of the concerns (OL or whatever) --I do think this team has concerns or sore spots. But other teams have sore spots too. Think we're the only team with OL questions?
We're gonna win with those sore spots.
RE: To add to my 3-14 prediction on why I feel this way, This
team suffers an incredible amount of injuries and I feel a good portion of these injuries are from lack of poor conditioning. This is going to play out on the field, We
Played 3 pre season games and the regular starters..not even one of them has played 3 quarters in a row together. As a result; they are going to be so out of sync to start the season we might be looking at 0-4 before we see some gelling of the lines. Our no 1 pick (KT) and best player(SB) hasn't even sniffed the field for goodness sakes.
Poor conditioning? There is a lot you can complain about with this team. Their conditioning is NOT one of them. Say what you want about other things but Judge has turned this into one of the best conditioned teams in the league.
You could at least try to be accurate if you’re going to throw out a number like 3 wins.
one of the reasons why I feel good about this coming season is because the Giants will be the best conditioned team on the field every week, and if they aren't, the other team is just insanely well conditioned as well.
Even last year, the Giants didn't lose games because they ran out of gas. They ran out of plays and time, but they were not fading or breathing heavy late in the games last year. And they won't this year either.
This team is going to be foaming at the mouth week 1. Well coached and hard working and well conditioned. Those hills they ran will pay off. They will be a problem for the NFL. Just you watch. And I cannot fucking wait.
because of the preseason shit is a lazy platitude and there's NO data or evidence to support any claim that not playing preseason snaps hurts a player or team come September. This is a platitude with little to no substance. Back it up if you can, but you can't.
to make plays when things break down, either with his legs or being able to get the ball out to a playmaker. He’s got the guys this year to help him. Oline has to come together as well.
Last year's OL was bad but slowly improved. Still wasn't good enough by the end of the season.
This year's OL is downgraded clearly imo. We can hope the starters are improved but that goes against the evidence so far.
The defense should be a positive but I can't overlook the changes in the trenches. I think games are win there and last year's rotation including Tomlinson and BJ Hill was likely much stronger than this year's, I fear.
I like our skill position players but they aren't healthy, which has hampered us for years. I worry we will spend much of the year thinking of what could have been with all of our weapons.
Even if we have the best weapons as a set in the league and if they are healthy, do we have the offensive system designed to leverage it, or are we going to be stuck in neutral trying to develop a power run game behind our weakest asset on offense?
I fear the latter.
Time will tell, but I can't remember a time when I was so much more negative than the majority of BBI. I've always been on the side of the pollyannas. I give credit to Coach Judge for inspiring hope in the fan base for sure.
The OL and spotty QB Play is going to doom this team for another year. Nothing really improved on the OL this year and the recent trades and signings for OL after pats game reeks of desperation.
I like Judge, but this team can't fix the OL
Haha. Wtf? So they’re going to win HALF as many games as they did last season? This team is twice as bad as last years?
I will bet you any amount of money that you want on that. I’ll take the over on that 3 wins. Any amount that you want.
The OL and spotty QB Play is going to doom this team for another year. Nothing really improved on the OL this year and the recent trades and signings for OL after pats game reeks of desperation.
I like Judge, but this team can't fix the OL
Haha. Wtf? So they’re going to win HALF as many games as they did last season? This team is twice as bad as last years?
I will bet you any amount of money that you want on that. I’ll take the over on that 3 wins. Any amount that you want.
yeah, can I get in on that too?
Interested to see if you guys get taken up on your offers. I'm sure he'll be right back. :)
We'll see about that. It certainly seems that way reading the articles from DEN this week. They are penciling in a 3-0 start.
They will have a fight on their hands. This offense may not be the Greatest Show on Turf, but there's the element of surprise. If your Fangio - what are the Giants going to do on Sunday? You have no idea. Golladay, Toney, Barkley & Rudolph haven't taken a single snap. And 3 of those 4 have never been in a Giants uniform.
With Barkley - will the Giants go back to zone or continue a gap scheme? After dinking and dunking all preseason, will they attack deep with Golladay and Toney? How will Toney be used? There's only 1 year of film of a Judge/Garrett offense to begin with.
That can't be a cozy feeling drawing up a gameplan. They literally have no idea what we'll do, just like we don't.
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The OL and spotty QB Play is going to doom this team for another year. Nothing really improved on the OL this year and the recent trades and signings for OL after pats game reeks of desperation.
I like Judge, but this team can't fix the OL
Haha. Wtf? So they’re going to win HALF as many games as they did last season? This team is twice as bad as last years?
I will bet you any amount of money that you want on that. I’ll take the over on that 3 wins. Any amount that you want.
yeah, can I get in on that too?
Interested to see if you guys get taken up on your offers. I'm sure he'll be right back. :)
Considering the significantly improved talent, added experience, 2nd year with coaching staff and more normal offseason, expecting the team to be significantly worse this year than last is, as Spock would say, illogical.
I wonder if some of these folks are extremely pessimistic in general or is it just with the Giants.
I think Fangio has one of the easiest gameplanning tasks of his season Sunday. You’re a highly knowledgeable fan so how would you attack the Giants offense? I’ll give you one try.
in NFL history for the first two years of a players career. Most of them came in his rookie year which produced a 3-9 record. If that's your idea of a good year I'm not agreeing.
So far in his 26 game career he has 35 TD passes, 22 INTs and 23 fumbles that were turnovers out of 29 total fumbles. That's not even close to good enough. If that keeps up the Giants will have a different starting QB in 2022.
If recent history matters, the Broncos suck worse than the Giants. Not only did they finish with a worse record last year, they finished the season in a much less encouraging way.
The second half of '20, the Giants went 5-3; broncos went 2-6. Our coach had our team improving; the broncos have regressed (worse in '20 than in '19 and worse second half of '20 than first half = bad trend for a coach (Pat Shurmur like)). F Montee and his balls.
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You said you’re down on the team talent wise. What do you think the glaring deficiencies are that will cause us to suck?
The Humpty Dumpty o line is as glaring as you can get.
Kellerman in his new radio gig mentioned multiple times how he had the Giants winning the NFCE but after watching the game against the Pats is down on them too, mainly because of the OL
The OLine is the key to the season as usual for the Giants.
IMO If the Giants can field a league average OLine they have a chance to have a playoff team. Of course if the OLIne is league average the QB has to raise his game to league average too.
In Jones first two years both his line and his play have been as bad as it gets in NFL. Until that changes nothing changes in the win column.
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Until then, everybody can just stfu. Unless you're a fan, of course, them just go on debating everything :)
We do seem to have a lot of master debaters here.
That is what losing, and losing, and losing year after year warrants, and there is only one way to change that, and that is to go at least 9-8. Anything less is same ol same ol..
The OLine is the key to the season as usual for the Giants.
IMO If the Giants can field a league average OLine they have a chance to have a playoff team. Of course if the OLIne is league average the QB has to raise his game to league average too.
In Jones first two years both his line and his play have been as bad as it gets in NFL. Until that changes nothing changes in the win column.
Jones rookie year was bad?
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Until then, everybody can just stfu. Unless you're a fan, of course, them just go on debating everything :)
We do seem to have a lot of master debaters here.
That is what losing, and losing, and losing year after year warrants, and there is only one way to change that, and that is to go at least 9-8. Anything less is same ol same ol..
You keep mentioning the Giants have been bad for years, yes there is no debating that, but ehat does that have to do with this year..
It seems you cant evaluate thr current team without bringing up years before which have no bearing on this year
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Superior to what or whom?
The OLine is the key to the season as usual for the Giants.
IMO If the Giants can field a league average OLine they have a chance to have a playoff team. Of course if the OLIne is league average the QB has to raise his game to league average too.
In Jones first two years both his line and his play have been as bad as it gets in NFL. Until that changes nothing changes in the win column.
Jones rookie year was bad?
That kind of tells you where some (very negative) fans are coming from.
In 12 GS: 24 TDs, 12 INTs, 3027 yds passing, 280 rushing, with 2 or 3 rookie records.
Prorated over 16 games: 32 TDs, 16 INTs, 4036 yds passing, 370 yds rushing, 3 TDs rushing.
If DJ played for another team, some of these negative Giant fans would probably say he's got potential, based on his rookie yr (and they'd prolly be more understanding about the shit he had going against him in his 2nd yr).
In 26 starts he has 35 TDs - 13 of them in 3 games and 22 in the other 23.
Who said that?
But I do think this team has improved, that they made a tough out last year and that they will be an even tougher out this year. I think if the new additions this year (Golloday, Jackson, Rudolph, and have to include Barkley) make better than average contributions this season that the Giants will go far this year.
I also think that all of the NFCE has issues and can be beaten, tha the best prepared and healthiest team has the best shot to win the division.
What i strongly believe is that we have a terrific coaching staff and that they are going to make the most of this team's assets, and that they will have a well thought out game plan for each game this year. I think Golloday, Jackson and Rudolph were terrific additions to this team - filling critically needed boosts in areas of need.
I disagree with Joey about Jones -- I think Jones will show improvement this year and that he is a tough hard working kid with moxie. Will be be perfect -- that's doubtful. Will he make less mistakes and be sharper -- I think so.
I'd be lying if I told you I am 100 confident in the O line right now, but I do think they have talent as a unit and that they have a great coaching team supporting them. Let hope they shake off, grow together, and improve game to game.
The Giants overall, were not a good team in '19 and they weren't well coached. Don't blame the rookie QB for the fact the team sucked.
Not comparing Jones' career to Peyton's or Aikman's (that will have to be done in the future), but have you looked at their rookie years lately?
Peyton ('98): 16 GS, 26 TDs, 28 INTs, 3739 yds passing
Aikman ('89): 11 GS, 9 TDs, 18 INTs, 1749 yds passing
Jones ('19): 12 GS, 24 TDs, 12 INTs, 3027 yds passing
Since I know some of you negative guys will say "you can't compare! Different eras! Blah blah blah!":
Josh Allen ('18): 11 GS, 10 TDs, 12 INTs, 2074 yds passing
I just picked those 3 QBs off the top of my head. I'm sure I could use many other QBs rookie years for comparison, but it won't matter to guys like you.
You be glass empty guy. You do it well.
Why would they do that?
Ball is not a member of the 2021 Denver Broncos. He's a FORMER Bronco who retired 7 years ago after a 2 year career in which he gained just 731 total yards. So why would the Giants' players be motivated by what an unsuccessful, ex-player says?
If a similar RB (like Orleans Darkwa) said that the Denver game would be a cakewalk for the Giants, do you think the Broncos would care?
One of Jones' supposed big selling points was that he had been tutored by David Cutcliffe for four years and would be the most pro-ready QB. So, yeah......
And, yes, DBs were actually allowed to defend prior to 2005, so it is indeed silly to compare.
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Until then, everybody can just stfu. Unless you're a fan, of course, them just go on debating everything :)
We do seem to have a lot of master debaters here.
That is what losing, and losing, and losing year after year warrants, and there is only one way to change that, and that is to go at least 9-8. Anything less is same ol same ol..
You keep mentioning the Giants have been bad for years, yes there is no debating that, but ehat does that have to do with this year..
It seems you cant evaluate thr current team without bringing up years before which have no bearing on this year
The O line sucks, and that is this years team, so stop thinking this team is winning already, because they haven’t., and because the O line sucks I can’t see any improvement in the team, or record.
Aikman ('89): 52.9% Cmp%, 55.7% rating
Allen ('18): 52.8% Cmp%, 67.9% rating
Jones ('19): 61.9 Cmp%, 87.7% rating
Again, I just picked those 3 off the top of my head.
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Until then, everybody can just stfu. Unless you're a fan, of course, them just go on debating everything :)
We do seem to have a lot of master debaters here.
That is what losing, and losing, and losing year after year warrants, and there is only one way to change that, and that is to go at least 9-8. Anything less is same ol same ol..
You keep mentioning the Giants have been bad for years, yes there is no debating that, but ehat does that have to do with this year..
It seems you cant evaluate thr current team without bringing up years before which have no bearing on this year
The O line sucks, and that is this years team, so stop thinking this team is winning already, because they haven’t., and because the O line sucks I can’t see any improvement in the team, or record.
How do you know the oline stinks? because of 1 half of a oreseason game?
The same oline that was making Wayne Gallman and Alfred Morris look like good rbs?
Fact you do not know what is going to happen thisbyear so stop talking in absolutes..
The Giants overall, were not a good team in '19 and they weren't well coached. Don't blame the rookie QB for the fact the team sucked.
Not comparing Jones' career to Peyton's or Aikman's (that will have to be done in the future), but have you looked at their rookie years lately?
Peyton ('98): 16 GS, 26 TDs, 28 INTs, 3739 yds passing
Aikman ('89): 11 GS, 9 TDs, 18 INTs, 1749 yds passing
Jones ('19): 12 GS, 24 TDs, 12 INTs, 3027 yds passing
Since I know some of you negative guys will say "you can't compare! Different eras! Blah blah blah!":
Josh Allen ('18): 11 GS, 10 TDs, 12 INTs, 2074 yds passing
I just picked those 3 QBs off the top of my head. I'm sure I could use many other QBs rookie years for comparison, but it won't matter to guys like you.
You be glass empty guy. You do it well.
How about this QB's rookie year? His team only went 6-9 in his 15 starts as well but let's not let blame the rookie for the fact the team sucked...
15 Games Started; 67% Comp %; 4300 Yards; 31 Passing TDs; 10 Ints; 98.3 Rating; 7 indiv games above 100 Rating; 5 Rush TDs.
And his OL allowed the 3rd highest pressure % in the league.
blah, blah, blah...
If you were a member of a team that won 6 games last year, bulletin board material shouldn't be necessary for the first game of the year.
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In comment 15354468 Bill in UT said:
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Until then, everybody can just stfu. Unless you're a fan, of course, them just go on debating everything :)
We do seem to have a lot of master debaters here.
That is what losing, and losing, and losing year after year warrants, and there is only one way to change that, and that is to go at least 9-8. Anything less is same ol same ol..
You keep mentioning the Giants have been bad for years, yes there is no debating that, but ehat does that have to do with this year..
It seems you cant evaluate thr current team without bringing up years before which have no bearing on this year
The O line sucks, and that is this years team, so stop thinking this team is winning already, because they haven’t., and because the O line sucks I can’t see any improvement in the team, or record.
How do you know the oline stinks? because of 1 half of a oreseason game?
The same oline that was making Wayne Gallman and Alfred Morris look like good rbs?
Fact you do not know what is going to happen thisbyear so stop talking in absolutes..
Fact you don’t know either, so until they become a winning team they are still the same Giants that they have been the last four years. Time will tell, and nothing else.
Is 2021 when it begins to happen? This is why they play the games. We're unlikely to see positives across the board, it rarely happens in football that every decision goes in your favor. NYG is at a crossroads, big year to switch the script and perspectives of the team, let's go!!
This debate keeps going round and round. This organization AND team on the field sucks donkey balls - until they don’t. Win and people will shut up and stop trashing us. I think everyone in the organization knows this.
In other news, water is wet.
If you want to give these predictions end all be all credibility or at least enough to feel that there's NO shot this year, have at it. But I can keep on posting all the wrong predictions of prior seasons, including just about every good NYG season. Literally, just about all of them saw the masses end up surprised, because the Giants are always supposed to suck. Sometimes the masses are right and sometimes they aren't.
Reminder the 2017 Eagles were pretty much panned by most prior to that season.
The D will be our strength. The key to the season is the big play factor on offense, both good and bad. We will be in a LOT of games. Enjoy the season.
The best player on the offense in 2020 was Daniel Jones. Now he has help.
You keep mentioning the Giants have been bad for years, yes there is no debating that, but ehat does that have to do with this year..
It seems you cant evaluate thr current team without bringing up years before which have no bearing on this year
Or course it has bearing. We're relying on the same unproven players as last year to serve an absolutely critical function on the team, and they haven't shown they're better. When they have played, it's been more of the same.
2 years in the NFL and didn't do shit except show up for a try out 30lbs overweight, spent 60 days in home confinement, violated his parole, and beat up 2 women
I like Judge, but this team can't fix the OL
I like Judge, but this team can't fix the OL
Haha. Wtf? So they’re going to win HALF as many games as they did last season? This team is twice as bad as last years?
I will bet you any amount of money that you want on that. I’ll take the over on that 3 wins. Any amount that you want.
Played 3 pre season games and the regular starters..not even one of them has played 3 quarters in a row together. As a result; they are going to be so out of sync to start the season we might be looking at 0-4 before we see some gelling of the lines. Our no 1 pick (KT) and best player(SB) hasn't even sniffed the field for goodness sakes.
I like Judge, but this team can't fix the OL
If you are taking bets on that prediction let me know.
We're gonna win with those sore spots.
Played 3 pre season games and the regular starters..not even one of them has played 3 quarters in a row together. As a result; they are going to be so out of sync to start the season we might be looking at 0-4 before we see some gelling of the lines. Our no 1 pick (KT) and best player(SB) hasn't even sniffed the field for goodness sakes.
Poor conditioning? There is a lot you can complain about with this team. Their conditioning is NOT one of them. Say what you want about other things but Judge has turned this into one of the best conditioned teams in the league.
You could at least try to be accurate if you’re going to throw out a number like 3 wins.
Even last year, the Giants didn't lose games because they ran out of gas. They ran out of plays and time, but they were not fading or breathing heavy late in the games last year. And they won't this year either.
This team is going to be foaming at the mouth week 1. Well coached and hard working and well conditioned. Those hills they ran will pay off. They will be a problem for the NFL. Just you watch. And I cannot fucking wait.
This year's OL is downgraded clearly imo. We can hope the starters are improved but that goes against the evidence so far.
The defense should be a positive but I can't overlook the changes in the trenches. I think games are win there and last year's rotation including Tomlinson and BJ Hill was likely much stronger than this year's, I fear.
I like our skill position players but they aren't healthy, which has hampered us for years. I worry we will spend much of the year thinking of what could have been with all of our weapons.
Even if we have the best weapons as a set in the league and if they are healthy, do we have the offensive system designed to leverage it, or are we going to be stuck in neutral trying to develop a power run game behind our weakest asset on offense?
I fear the latter.
Time will tell, but I can't remember a time when I was so much more negative than the majority of BBI. I've always been on the side of the pollyannas. I give credit to Coach Judge for inspiring hope in the fan base for sure.
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The OL and spotty QB Play is going to doom this team for another year. Nothing really improved on the OL this year and the recent trades and signings for OL after pats game reeks of desperation.
I like Judge, but this team can't fix the OL
Haha. Wtf? So they’re going to win HALF as many games as they did last season? This team is twice as bad as last years?
I will bet you any amount of money that you want on that. I’ll take the over on that 3 wins. Any amount that you want.
yeah, can I get in on that too?
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In comment 15354960 MartyNJ1969 said:
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The OL and spotty QB Play is going to doom this team for another year. Nothing really improved on the OL this year and the recent trades and signings for OL after pats game reeks of desperation.
I like Judge, but this team can't fix the OL
Haha. Wtf? So they’re going to win HALF as many games as they did last season? This team is twice as bad as last years?
I will bet you any amount of money that you want on that. I’ll take the over on that 3 wins. Any amount that you want.
yeah, can I get in on that too?
Interested to see if you guys get taken up on your offers. I'm sure he'll be right back. :)
They will have a fight on their hands. This offense may not be the Greatest Show on Turf, but there's the element of surprise. If your Fangio - what are the Giants going to do on Sunday? You have no idea. Golladay, Toney, Barkley & Rudolph haven't taken a single snap. And 3 of those 4 have never been in a Giants uniform.
With Barkley - will the Giants go back to zone or continue a gap scheme? After dinking and dunking all preseason, will they attack deep with Golladay and Toney? How will Toney be used? There's only 1 year of film of a Judge/Garrett offense to begin with.
That can't be a cozy feeling drawing up a gameplan. They literally have no idea what we'll do, just like we don't.
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In comment 15354970 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15354960 MartyNJ1969 said:
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The OL and spotty QB Play is going to doom this team for another year. Nothing really improved on the OL this year and the recent trades and signings for OL after pats game reeks of desperation.
I like Judge, but this team can't fix the OL
Haha. Wtf? So they’re going to win HALF as many games as they did last season? This team is twice as bad as last years?
I will bet you any amount of money that you want on that. I’ll take the over on that 3 wins. Any amount that you want.
yeah, can I get in on that too?
Interested to see if you guys get taken up on your offers. I'm sure he'll be right back. :)
Considering the significantly improved talent, added experience, 2nd year with coaching staff and more normal offseason, expecting the team to be significantly worse this year than last is, as Spock would say, illogical.
I wonder if some of these folks are extremely pessimistic in general or is it just with the Giants.
Pat Shurmur has a much more difficult assignment.
This.
So far in his 26 game career he has 35 TD passes, 22 INTs and 23 fumbles that were turnovers out of 29 total fumbles. That's not even close to good enough. If that keeps up the Giants will have a different starting QB in 2022.