I think the author uses a quant approach which spits out win-totals with decimals. So, rather than rounding up or down, she shows the decimal figure. Just a guess.
C'mon, if you spent your time here on BB I predicting what's going to happen this season, and don't expect the 24/7 sports news cycle to do the same, you're a hypocrite. This is their job...
I don't follow gambling but what's Vegas' over/under for wins?
1, I actually like the decimal, rounding makes less sense.
2, I'm surprised at the lack of 13+ win predictions in a 17 game season. 3 teams had 13+ wins last year and a few more at 12.
3, I'm also surprised at the lack of 0-3 win predictions especially considering what's happening in Houston.
4, lots of these predictions seem like they are going to 3+ games off.
5, all things considered it looks like its going to be a tight year in the NFCE especially if you think many of the predictions are going to be 3+ games off.
RE: I don't follow gambling but what's Vegas' over/under for wins?
They don’t have faith in jones and this offensive line which is why the win total projections are low. I think jones surprises this year and plays very well and we do have a top 10 defense. Worse case scenario I think we win 9 games.
They don’t have faith in jones and this offensive line which is why the win total projections are low. I think jones surprises this year and plays very well and we do have a top 10 defense. Worse case scenario I think we win 9 games.
If someone told me in advance that our tackles did a "pretty good job" pass blocking this season, then I would predict at least 10 wins for the Giants. Maybe higher.
They don’t have faith in jones and this offensive line which is why the win total projections are low. I think jones surprises this year and plays very well and we do have a top 10 defense. Worse case scenario I think we win 9 games.
That's what's interesting because it means that Jones will play worse than 2020 or the defense will, or both. I think the later is possible just because its hard to duplicate defensive success in this league for a ton of reasons (but will still be good), so it would mean all the offensive weapons we added won't do much.
They don’t have faith in jones and this offensive line which is why the win total projections are low. I think jones surprises this year and plays very well and we do have a top 10 defense. Worse case scenario I think we win 9 games.
If no key player gets injured I agree, I just don't see us winning the same amount or less than last year. Hell, we may have 5 division wins and we play the Falcons and Panthers at home.
I think our defense plays better than last year just because we are healthier there, added a CB2 and have more options at pass rush (although losing Fackrell doesn't help), and Jones is an absolute enigma so far, but I think and hope he plays as a top 12 QB this season.
It's 6.5, I don't understand why it's so low but I'm betting the over here.
Thanks and good luck. I think it’s a smart bet because more players have bought into what Joe Judge is preaching so they will be better than the 6 win season of last year. Even if they’re just a tiny bit better, they’re reaching 7 wins
In comment 15354541 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Will result in .9 more wins in a season where they added a game. OK…
Yeah, that logic is puzzling to me. NYG were in just about every game last year and have unquestionably added more talent. Until the OLine and QB show something, don't count on this team getting any respect.
The Giants played 6 games against backup quarterbacks last year, going 3-3 in those games. Each of the other 3 NFCE teams faced major QB problems for a lot of the season...the Giants went 4-2 in the division.
It is unlikely they'll be as lucky this year.
RE: RE: I don't follow gambling but what's Vegas' over/under for wins?
It's 6.5, I don't understand why it's so low but I'm betting the over here.
I was going to bet over 7, but they wanted -145 to 1. Thats ridiculous weight, they just don't want to raise the number. I bet Giants to win the NFCE instead, got 4-1 odds. I figure if they win 8 games they will be in the thick of the NFCE race anyway
The Giants played 6 games against backup quarterbacks last year, going 3-3 in those games. Each of the other 3 NFCE teams faced major QB problems for a lot of the season...the Giants went 4-2 in the division.
It is unlikely they'll be as lucky this year.
The NFCE is also not playing the 2 strongest divisions like they did last year (NFCW, AFCN)
based on 30k or so season results. 6.9 makes tons of sense; offense still a huge question. 7-10 with a tougher schedule may be a markedly better team than last year. let’s hope jones takes the jump.
it’s just a prediction, which is very difficult to pull off accurately, not sure why it gets some of the reaction here it does.
It's 6.5, I don't understand why it's so low but I'm betting the over here.
Thanks and good luck. I think it’s a smart bet because more players have bought into what Joe Judge is preaching so they will be better than the 6 win season of last year. Even if they’re just a tiny bit better, they’re reaching 7 wins
I agree, to me the only way it doesn't happen is if Daniel Jones gets hurt, I don't think we win a single game with Glennon.
They won six games last season with a more difficult schedule
I was going to bet over 7, but they wanted -145 to 1. Thats ridiculous weight, they just don't want to raise the number. I bet Giants to win the NFCE instead, got 4-1 odds. I figure if they win 8 games they will be in the thick of the NFCE race anyway
Yeah, I also placed a bet to win the NFCE, got 6-1 odds back in April. And one to make the playoffs at +320.
I also placed one in the Patriots making it at +225 because I just can't see them missing the playoffs again.
and one or two teams will jump in quality most like wash and dallas. The afc west also looks ascendant so schedule will probably not be softer but actually harder.
these betting win totals are a snapshot in time for right now. Injuries not withstanding, they don’t take into account player progressions or regressions during the season, last year, The team progressed ( mostly the defense)!as the season moved along. I would think it’s VERY possible his team will be 1-3 wins better than this projection. I’ve seen 10-7 predicted in a few places. So I would take the over
thinks the Giants are 15th in a 16 team conference. I sure hope that's wrong. The rest of the NFL world seems to think Jones is a bust. I sure hope they're wrong. It would suck to start over at QB again next year.
The Broncos actually have more higher-probability single-game wins than some other potential AFC playoff teams. They also have the second-best odds of starting the season at 3-0 in the entire NFL, with an opening stretch of at Giants, at Jaguars and home vs. Jets.
did not have a single 10 or more win season. Not one. From 1970 to 1980 the Jets didn't have a season with a winning record. Not one.
From 2011 until the present day the Giants have had 2 winning seasons and one playoff appearance with 0 playoff wins. The Jets have had one winning season and zero playoff appearances.
did not have a single 10 or more win season. Not one. From 1970 to 1980 the Jets didn't have a season with a winning record. Not one.
From 2011 until the present day the Giants have had 2 winning seasons and one playoff appearance with 0 playoff wins. The Jets have had one winning season and zero playoff appearances.
Welcome back to the 1970's.
Hi arniefez,
Well we've sucked for 10 years now, so the 70's just ended and we're into the 80's? And in the end of the 70's we got Phil Simms, so DJ = Phil? =)
and one or two teams will jump in quality most like wash and dallas. The afc west also looks ascendant so schedule will probably not be softer but actually harder.
I think last year’s schedule was more difficult (judging it in the preseason) than this year’s. I think an average to slightly above average team could win 5 or 6 games just at home with this year’s schedule. I thought last year’s team would win three games based mostly on how difficult the schedule was.
As for the NFC East, Ryan Fitzpatrick is almost 39 years-old and has a winning record in just ONE of his eight seasons with double digit starts. The Cowboys were an abomination when Dak was healthy last season and I’m not quite sure what they’ve done to drastically improve a historically bad defense.
The Giants played 6 games against backup quarterbacks last year, going 3-3 in those games. Each of the other 3 NFCE teams faced major QB problems for a lot of the season...the Giants went 4-2 in the division.
It is unlikely they'll be as lucky this year.
IMV there's quite a few who account for all the Giants upgrades but not for how any other team in the NFL changed. There's plenty of outside variables that will play into the Giants season
the nfc east will not be as bad as last year. Book it.
Wash also has a ton of good youth - you are focused on fitz.
Dallas was historically bad on d and they should not be 6-10 this year.
even philly will not be a 4 win team this year.
Giants may ascend but ignoring the weakness of the schedule in division last year is just bias affirmation.
Why not focus on Fitz? When he is a full time starter, his team almost always loses more games than they win. Plus, their starting offensive tackles are a rookie and a guy too shitty for the Bears to keep around. The Cowboys were historically bad on D and didn’t exactly make wholesale changes. I’m expected to believe Dan Quinn is a difference maker that he failed to be on that side of the ball for most of his Falcons tenure? Should I anticipate Micah Parsons being Junior Seau? This isn’t like when the Giants brought in a whole bunch of expensive free agents in McAdoo’s first season. The Cowboys defense is essentially the same players with some nondescript secondary guys thrown in. And why should I expect the Eagles to be better? Do you know something about their coach and QB that I don’t know?
I’m not telling you the Giants are good. I just think the rest of the division isn’t either so 3-3 or 4-2 in the division isn’t outlandish. Look at the Giants home schedule… how many games do you think are highly likely to be losses? One?
The Giants played 6 games against backup quarterbacks last year, going 3-3 in those games. Each of the other 3 NFCE teams faced major QB problems for a lot of the season...the Giants went 4-2 in the division.
It is unlikely they'll be as lucky this year.
Ryan Fitzpatrick is almost 30 games under .500 as a NFL starter.
The Cowboys were awful WITH Dak last season. They needed a literal miracle against a terrible team to win one game with him. They were losing at home to the Giants when he got hurt.
Jalen Hurts might turn into Pat Mahomes one day. No one should anticipate that at this point however.
The Giants have issues, but so do these other teams.
that WFT gets to 9+ with Fitztragic at the helm. I just can't buy that.
Now, they are the most balanced team in the NFCE. But Fitz is going to offset a decent portion of that. So I just can't believe Rivera and Hurney thought this was a good solution for QB.
If we can just get one of these first two games, I think we crack 6+ rather comfortably.
Their front 7 is their strength....but the Giants weak OL managed them pretty well.
Dallas top 5 offense still has a bottom 5 defense....only fortified the lbers....which was their entire defense.
Nonsense....flip a coin would be fair
I think the author uses a quant approach which spits out win-totals with decimals. So, rather than rounding up or down, she shows the decimal figure. Just a guess.
Their front 7 is their strength....but the Giants weak OL managed them pretty well.
Dallas top 5 offense still has a bottom 5 defense....only fortified the lbers....which was their entire defense.
Nonsense....flip a coin would be fair
+1
C'mon, if you spent your time here on BB I predicting what's going to happen this season, and don't expect the 24/7 sports news cycle to do the same, you're a hypocrite. This is their job...
1, I actually like the decimal, rounding makes less sense.
2, I'm surprised at the lack of 13+ win predictions in a 17 game season. 3 teams had 13+ wins last year and a few more at 12.
3, I'm also surprised at the lack of 0-3 win predictions especially considering what's happening in Houston.
4, lots of these predictions seem like they are going to 3+ games off.
5, all things considered it looks like its going to be a tight year in the NFCE especially if you think many of the predictions are going to be 3+ games off.
Hi JohnB,
It's 6.5, I don't understand why it's so low but I'm betting the over here.
If someone told me in advance that our tackles did a "pretty good job" pass blocking this season, then I would predict at least 10 wins for the Giants. Maybe higher.
That's what's interesting because it means that Jones will play worse than 2020 or the defense will, or both. I think the later is possible just because its hard to duplicate defensive success in this league for a ton of reasons (but will still be good), so it would mean all the offensive weapons we added won't do much.
Its going to be a fascinating season.
If no key player gets injured I agree, I just don't see us winning the same amount or less than last year. Hell, we may have 5 division wins and we play the Falcons and Panthers at home.
I think our defense plays better than last year just because we are healthier there, added a CB2 and have more options at pass rush (although losing Fackrell doesn't help), and Jones is an absolute enigma so far, but I think and hope he plays as a top 12 QB this season.
From what I read, the predictions are based on a series of simulations, so averaging results from sims results in the fractions.
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If it's under 7, I'd jump all over it.
Hi JohnB,
It's 6.5, I don't understand why it's so low but I'm betting the over here.
Thanks and good luck. I think it’s a smart bet because more players have bought into what Joe Judge is preaching so they will be better than the 6 win season of last year. Even if they’re just a tiny bit better, they’re reaching 7 wins
It is unlikely they'll be as lucky this year.
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If it's under 7, I'd jump all over it.
Hi JohnB,
It's 6.5, I don't understand why it's so low but I'm betting the over here.
I was going to bet over 7, but they wanted -145 to 1. Thats ridiculous weight, they just don't want to raise the number. I bet Giants to win the NFCE instead, got 4-1 odds. I figure if they win 8 games they will be in the thick of the NFCE race anyway
It is unlikely they'll be as lucky this year.
The NFCE is also not playing the 2 strongest divisions like they did last year (NFCW, AFCN)
it’s just a prediction, which is very difficult to pull off accurately, not sure why it gets some of the reaction here it does.
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In comment 15354521 JohnB said:
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If it's under 7, I'd jump all over it.
Hi JohnB,
It's 6.5, I don't understand why it's so low but I'm betting the over here.
Thanks and good luck. I think it’s a smart bet because more players have bought into what Joe Judge is preaching so they will be better than the 6 win season of last year. Even if they’re just a tiny bit better, they’re reaching 7 wins
I agree, to me the only way it doesn't happen is if Daniel Jones gets hurt, I don't think we win a single game with Glennon.
I was going to bet over 7, but they wanted -145 to 1. Thats ridiculous weight, they just don't want to raise the number. I bet Giants to win the NFCE instead, got 4-1 odds. I figure if they win 8 games they will be in the thick of the NFCE race anyway
Yeah, I also placed a bet to win the NFCE, got 6-1 odds back in April. And one to make the playoffs at +320.
I also placed one in the Patriots making it at +225 because I just can't see them missing the playoffs again.
That’s st best a slight upgrade. They traded back and stockpiled picks, which is good but does not make the team better this year.
So 6.5 sounds about right. An 8.3% increase in wins over last year
From the article:
The Broncos actually have more higher-probability single-game wins than some other potential AFC playoff teams. They also have the second-best odds of starting the season at 3-0 in the entire NFL, with an opening stretch of at Giants, at Jaguars and home vs. Jets.
From 2011 until the present day the Giants have had 2 winning seasons and one playoff appearance with 0 playoff wins. The Jets have had one winning season and zero playoff appearances.
Welcome back to the 1970's.
From 2011 until the present day the Giants have had 2 winning seasons and one playoff appearance with 0 playoff wins. The Jets have had one winning season and zero playoff appearances.
Welcome back to the 1970's.
Hi arniefez,
Well we've sucked for 10 years now, so the 70's just ended and we're into the 80's? And in the end of the 70's we got Phil Simms, so DJ = Phil? =)
I think last year’s schedule was more difficult (judging it in the preseason) than this year’s. I think an average to slightly above average team could win 5 or 6 games just at home with this year’s schedule. I thought last year’s team would win three games based mostly on how difficult the schedule was.
As for the NFC East, Ryan Fitzpatrick is almost 39 years-old and has a winning record in just ONE of his eight seasons with double digit starts. The Cowboys were an abomination when Dak was healthy last season and I’m not quite sure what they’ve done to drastically improve a historically bad defense.
Wash also has a ton of good youth - you are focused on fitz.
Dallas was historically bad on d and they should not be 6-10 this year.
even philly will not be a 4 win team this year.
Giants may ascend but ignoring the weakness of the schedule in division last year is just bias affirmation.
It is unlikely they'll be as lucky this year.
IMV there's quite a few who account for all the Giants upgrades but not for how any other team in the NFL changed. There's plenty of outside variables that will play into the Giants season
Wash also has a ton of good youth - you are focused on fitz.
Dallas was historically bad on d and they should not be 6-10 this year.
even philly will not be a 4 win team this year.
Giants may ascend but ignoring the weakness of the schedule in division last year is just bias affirmation.
Why not focus on Fitz? When he is a full time starter, his team almost always loses more games than they win. Plus, their starting offensive tackles are a rookie and a guy too shitty for the Bears to keep around. The Cowboys were historically bad on D and didn’t exactly make wholesale changes. I’m expected to believe Dan Quinn is a difference maker that he failed to be on that side of the ball for most of his Falcons tenure? Should I anticipate Micah Parsons being Junior Seau? This isn’t like when the Giants brought in a whole bunch of expensive free agents in McAdoo’s first season. The Cowboys defense is essentially the same players with some nondescript secondary guys thrown in. And why should I expect the Eagles to be better? Do you know something about their coach and QB that I don’t know?
I’m not telling you the Giants are good. I just think the rest of the division isn’t either so 3-3 or 4-2 in the division isn’t outlandish. Look at the Giants home schedule… how many games do you think are highly likely to be losses? One?
It is unlikely they'll be as lucky this year.
Ryan Fitzpatrick is almost 30 games under .500 as a NFL starter.
The Cowboys were awful WITH Dak last season. They needed a literal miracle against a terrible team to win one game with him. They were losing at home to the Giants when he got hurt.
Jalen Hurts might turn into Pat Mahomes one day. No one should anticipate that at this point however.
The Giants have issues, but so do these other teams.
Now, they are the most balanced team in the NFCE. But Fitz is going to offset a decent portion of that. So I just can't believe Rivera and Hurney thought this was a good solution for QB.
If we can just get one of these first two games, I think we crack 6+ rather comfortably.