Solder is the better "Technique" guy right now and we can't afford missed assignments and technique issues against their pass rush. Plus, changing up and Peart coming in will allow for a much more fresh line and a big change (Peart has more mass than Solder) in the run game.
Either way, I think Peart had a lot of technique issues vs NE and that is why the depth chart reads Solder 1 and Peart 2 for now.
he's a veteran who knows what he's doing even if he's 1 or 2 steps slower. Bob Whitfield and Lomas Brown (and David Diehl for the 2nd SB) come to mind as guys who mostly got by on veteran tricks and lots of athletic tape. Solder shouldn't be overwhelmed by the moment and this way Peart can earn more reps.
Solder graded among the worst tackles in the league
before opting out and now he’s even older. Sy’s recaps routinely talked about how awful he was playing. It’s disappointing that Peart wasn’t able to cleanly beat him out. The team should’ve made more of an effort to address the tackle position IMO.
It is what it is at this point. Have to hope that the coaching staff is somehow able to coach Solder to regain some of his prior competency.
Even some at OLT, same with interior line
Probably need some time to find best pairings and what matches up best each week
A lot different than trotting out same oline every week no matter what
edging him out is not the worst thing. Afterall the discussion about Solder is not just a FB player but a human/father/husband etc and was dealing with a lot personally while trying to play through injury it is not surprising he performs better than we expected. Especially while having to do it in an abbreviated camp drills and practices wise plus 1 less pre-season game. That is relevant because savvy vets know how to handle camp better and supplement better than a younger guy. Peart did not look bad avg young guy learning on the job, well with Judge rotation system Peart will get his live reps and hopefully takes the RT spot over during the season. At bare minimum allow the OL coaches to have the Solder on a snapcount that keeps him in decent shape all season long.
Yes he is. They show 2 TEs spots. Engram/Rudolph starters, Smith backup to both
Must be a typo. On the Giants' site Kaden Smith is listed as the other TE opposite Engram, then he's listed as his own backup. I didn't catch that. Must be Rudolph first.
Rudolf said yesterday he's available to play 80+ snaps. Judges said today he'll be a full practice participant tomorrow. Don't believe the depth charts...
Also, full injury reports are due to the league tomorrow.
Yes he is. They show 2 TEs spots. Engram/Rudolph starters, Smith backup to both
Must be a typo. On the Giants' site Kaden Smith is listed as the other TE opposite Engram, then he's listed as his own backup. I didn't catch that. Must be Rudolph first.
We may be looking at different charts. I was going by this one released from giants.com
before opting out and now he’s even older. Sy’s recaps routinely talked about how awful he was playing. It’s disappointing that Peart wasn’t able to cleanly beat him out. The team should’ve made more of an effort to address the tackle position IMO.
It is what it is at this point. Have to hope that the coaching staff is somehow able to coach Solder to regain some of his prior competency.
We understand what he’s been given injuries and the issues with his son. The question is what is he now. I don’t know and neither does anyone else.
this team completely misevaluated the offensive line again. the only reason solder is on the team is because of his contract, not because he can still play. he has been beyond awful since he signed here.
peart is clearly still awful and can't even beat him out. he looks like he will go the way of james brewer (calling him the next guy wimper is an insult to guy wimper).
this team doesn't have a single offensive tackle that is any good. that is a total failure.
Yes he is. They show 2 TEs spots. Engram/Rudolph starters, Smith backup to both
Must be a typo. On the Giants' site Kaden Smith is listed as the other TE opposite Engram, then he's listed as his own backup. I didn't catch that. Must be Rudolph first.
We may be looking at different charts. I was going by this one released from giants.com
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I see it updated now. It previously listed Kaden Smith twice at the TE position opposite Engram (which I didn't catch). Please disregard my earlier comment. My bad.
We may be looking at different charts. I was going by this one released from giants.com
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The confusion comes from the fact that Rudolph is listed in the chart that appears at the end of the article but not in the chart you get if you click the link in the article.
We may be looking at different charts. I was going by this one released from giants.com
Link - ( New Window )
The confusion comes from the fact that Rudolph is listed in the chart that appears at the end of the article but not in the chart you get if you click the link in the article.
Not getting the start game 1 of his second season in favor of a seasoned veteran is not a catastrophic outcome. I have little faith in this Oline, but the truth is, Soldier has played surpeisingly well in PS and training camp. I can't react to this like it's some failure. Peart has to improve, but this is not exactly a get out the torches and pitch fork development, even if true.
Not getting the start game 1 of his second season in favor of a seasoned veteran is not a catastrophic outcome. I have little faith in this Oline, but the truth is, Soldier has played surpeisingly well in PS and training camp. I can't react to this like it's some failure. Peart has to improve, but this is not exactly a get out the torches and pitch fork development, even if true.
He was banged up 2 seasons ago, and I'm hoping the year off let his body get back to normal. I think this is a good move, because really Peart has never played at a started level since he's been here (yet). Solder was good in NE.
Is it possible for Peart and Thomas to switch tackle spots?
He was banged up 2 seasons ago, and I'm hoping the year off let his body get back to normal. I think this is a good move, because really Peart has never played at a started level since he's been here (yet). Solder was good in NE.
He was banged up 2 seasons ago, and I'm hoping the year off let his body get back to normal. I think this is a good move, because really Peart has never played at a started level since he's been here (yet). Solder was good in NE.
dickwads on this thread.
Peart played 15% of the snaps last year AND had COVID. Plus, he was always viewed as a project. Yet, some here want to give the organization a big fat FAIL because he’s not ready yet to be the starter? Give me a break. Solder is the better option to START right now. That doesn’t mean Peart won’t take the job by seasons end.
Frankly I would have been surprised if he outright won the job in camp. Earn it during the course of the season. I still think Judge sees him as the future at RT. Best players play. Solder had a good camp (according to Judge) so he’s the starter.
Same thing with Lemieux. If Brederson shows better during the season, that jon may change hands.
Judge has said he looks at the first 4 weeks as extended camp as he figures out his roster. Nothing is set in stone. Xavier McKinney is another example. He’s currently not the starter at safety. Let’s see how that plays out.
He was banged up 2 seasons ago, and I'm hoping the year off let his body get back to normal. I think this is a good move, because really Peart has never played at a started level since he's been here (yet). Solder was good in NE.
When was Solder good in NE? Seriously? 2016?
RE: RE: RE: Well I am moderately hopeful on Solder
He was banged up 2 seasons ago, and I'm hoping the year off let his body get back to normal. I think this is a good move, because really Peart has never played at a started level since he's been here (yet). Solder was good in NE.
It's 2021...
Thanks for the insight as usual
Plank - come on, you walked into that. "Good" play hasn't been seen from Nate Solder since around 2015-2016...
He was banged up 2 seasons ago, and I'm hoping the year off let his body get back to normal. I think this is a good move, because really Peart has never played at a started level since he's been here (yet). Solder was good in NE.
It's 2021...
Thanks for the insight as usual
Plank - come on, you walked into that. "Good" play hasn't been seen from Nate Solder since around 2015-2016...
My main point is that I think right now Solder is probably still better than Peart, so I agree with this and I am hopeful Solder can be adequate at RT (I sense some think this is irrational - so be it). I also don't think its some kind of failure that a 3rd rd pick in his 2nd season, who everyone knew was a little bit of a project, isn't starting.
I think that too many people on here just throw out the "we suck" mantra for everything.
Either way, I think Peart had a lot of technique issues vs NE and that is why the depth chart reads Solder 1 and Peart 2 for now.
This is the bigger deal if true.
It is what it is at this point. Have to hope that the coaching staff is somehow able to coach Solder to regain some of his prior competency.
Right like if Peart was in they would avoid him?
Probably need some time to find best pairings and what matches up best each week
A lot different than trotting out same oline every week no matter what
Yes he is. They show 2 TEs spots. Engram/Rudolph starters, Smith backup to both
It is a change to the first chart released on August 11.
To see the first chart,scroll all the way down to the end of the linked article (don't just click the link that will take you to the updated chart).
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I suppose he's not going to dress.
Yes he is. They show 2 TEs spots. Engram/Rudolph starters, Smith backup to both
Must be a typo. On the Giants' site Kaden Smith is listed as the other TE opposite Engram, then he's listed as his own backup. I didn't catch that. Must be Rudolph first.
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where do you attack the NY Giants?
Right like if Peart was in they would avoid him?
That wasn't a post to prop up either...
it can't be the giants jersey that makes guys suck when they get here.
He is listed as the 2nd starter at tight end
Rudolf said yesterday he's available to play 80+ snaps. Judges said today he'll be a full practice participant tomorrow. Don't believe the depth charts...
Also, full injury reports are due to the league tomorrow.
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I suppose he's not going to dress.
Yes he is. They show 2 TEs spots. Engram/Rudolph starters, Smith backup to both
Must be a typo. On the Giants' site Kaden Smith is listed as the other TE opposite Engram, then he's listed as his own backup. I didn't catch that. Must be Rudolph first.
We may be looking at different charts. I was going by this one released from giants.com
Link - ( New Window )
Pretty suprising the Giants orginization failed at putting a o-line togther.
It is what it is at this point. Have to hope that the coaching staff is somehow able to coach Solder to regain some of his prior competency.
We understand what he’s been given injuries and the issues with his son. The question is what is he now. I don’t know and neither does anyone else.
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there is simply no other way to put it
Seriously? How is that, exactly?
this team completely misevaluated the offensive line again. the only reason solder is on the team is because of his contract, not because he can still play. he has been beyond awful since he signed here.
peart is clearly still awful and can't even beat him out. he looks like he will go the way of james brewer (calling him the next guy wimper is an insult to guy wimper).
this team doesn't have a single offensive tackle that is any good. that is a total failure.
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I suppose he's not going to dress.
Yes he is. They show 2 TEs spots. Engram/Rudolph starters, Smith backup to both
Must be a typo. On the Giants' site Kaden Smith is listed as the other TE opposite Engram, then he's listed as his own backup. I didn't catch that. Must be Rudolph first.
We may be looking at different charts. I was going by this one released from giants.com
Link - ( New Window )
I see it updated now. It previously listed Kaden Smith twice at the TE position opposite Engram (which I didn't catch). Please disregard my earlier comment. My bad.
We may be looking at different charts. I was going by this one released from giants.com
Link - ( New Window )
The confusion comes from the fact that Rudolph is listed in the chart that appears at the end of the article but not in the chart you get if you click the link in the article.
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We may be looking at different charts. I was going by this one released from giants.com
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The confusion comes from the fact that Rudolph is listed in the chart that appears at the end of the article but not in the chart you get if you click the link in the article.
But the link has now been corrected. All good.
Why? Because a 3rd rd draft pick in his 2nd year didn't beat out a vet?
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there is simply no other way to put it
Why? Because a 3rd rd draft pick in his 2nd year didn't beat out a vet?
A vet that was terrible two years ago and didn't play a snap last season.
Or, it's a failure because the OL has been complete garbage for YEARS now.
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there is simply no other way to put it
Why? Because a 3rd rd draft pick in his 2nd year didn't beat out a vet?
Yeah, this is all about how Solder won the job...
solder isn't a seasoned vet. he's washed
It's 2021...
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He was banged up 2 seasons ago, and I'm hoping the year off let his body get back to normal. I think this is a good move, because really Peart has never played at a started level since he's been here (yet). Solder was good in NE.
It's 2021...
Thanks for the insight as usual
Peart played 15% of the snaps last year AND had COVID. Plus, he was always viewed as a project. Yet, some here want to give the organization a big fat FAIL because he’s not ready yet to be the starter? Give me a break. Solder is the better option to START right now. That doesn’t mean Peart won’t take the job by seasons end.
Frankly I would have been surprised if he outright won the job in camp. Earn it during the course of the season. I still think Judge sees him as the future at RT. Best players play. Solder had a good camp (according to Judge) so he’s the starter.
Same thing with Lemieux. If Brederson shows better during the season, that jon may change hands.
Judge has said he looks at the first 4 weeks as extended camp as he figures out his roster. Nothing is set in stone. Xavier McKinney is another example. He’s currently not the starter at safety. Let’s see how that plays out.
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When was Solder good in NE? Seriously? 2016?
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He was banged up 2 seasons ago, and I'm hoping the year off let his body get back to normal. I think this is a good move, because really Peart has never played at a started level since he's been here (yet). Solder was good in NE.
It's 2021...
Thanks for the insight as usual
Plank - come on, you walked into that. "Good" play hasn't been seen from Nate Solder since around 2015-2016...
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He was banged up 2 seasons ago, and I'm hoping the year off let his body get back to normal. I think this is a good move, because really Peart has never played at a started level since he's been here (yet). Solder was good in NE.
It's 2021...
Thanks for the insight as usual
Plank - come on, you walked into that. "Good" play hasn't been seen from Nate Solder since around 2015-2016...
My main point is that I think right now Solder is probably still better than Peart, so I agree with this and I am hopeful Solder can be adequate at RT (I sense some think this is irrational - so be it). I also don't think its some kind of failure that a 3rd rd pick in his 2nd season, who everyone knew was a little bit of a project, isn't starting.
I think that too many people on here just throw out the "we suck" mantra for everything.