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Worse Run 2012-2015 or 2017-2020

christian : 9/7/2021 7:15 pm
Coming up on the 10th year anniversary since the Giants won a playoff game (also haha ATL, GB, SF, NE) — the Giants have had two, four year runs without a playoff birth.

As a fan what stretch was worse?

I think for me, the realization in 2013 that the championship era was done and the Giants sucked, was dismal. Worst feeling I’ve had after a regular season game was losing 38-0 to the Panthers week 3.
1964-1980  
Big Blue '56 : 9/7/2021 7:19 pm : link
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1968-1980, my first 13 seasons as a Giants fan.  
BigBlueNH : 9/7/2021 7:19 pm : link
only 2 winning seasons; never sniffed the playoffs. Just brutal.
RE: 1968-1980, my first 13 seasons as a Giants fan.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/7/2021 7:25 pm : link
In comment 15355494 BigBlueNH said:
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only 2 winning seasons; never sniffed the playoffs. Just brutal.


First 13? My first 8 years, we went to 6 title games, winning 1..I thought it would go on forever..Then, 1964-1980..☹️☹️
Not even close..  
Sean : 9/7/2021 7:29 pm : link
2012 the season started 6-2. There were big time games down the stretch. The Giants had essentially back to back playoff games in December (at ATL and at BAL). They fell short at 9-7, but we got meaningful football late.

2013 was a brutal start, but they at least crawled back for what was a big division game hosting Dallas in November.

2014 was by far the worst season during this stretch, but 2015 was entertaining with just a lot of brutal losses. That team was 5-4. If the Giants started 5-4 during the 2017-2020 era we might as well throw a parade.

As for the current era, here are the starts:

2017: 1-7
2018: 1-7
2019: 2-6
2020: 1-7

Just awful.
2017-2020.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/7/2021 7:29 pm : link
& it ain't close for me for the following reasons:

1) The 2012 team should have won the damn division if not for that MNF loss in DC that still pisses me off.
2) We were still on a Super Bowl high between '12-'15.
3) Eli was here.

'17-'20...McAdoo, Eli benched for Geno Freaking Smith, DG, Shurmur...just a lot of ugliness.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/7/2021 7:32 pm : link
Sean, those ATL & Baltimore games in December '12...Good Lord. I think we were down 20 plus in each game @ halftime. I remember during the Falcons game...wife & I watching @ bar & she was like, 'Hey. You won it all 8 months ago!' & me just glaring @ her. Haha.
big blue 56 is absolutely right.that haul from the 60’s to ‘81 was  
plato : 9/7/2021 7:42 pm : link
painful every game. So not to say we are not that bad, but i don’t feel your pain yet guys who have seen 4 super bowl wins.
2017-2020  
Go Terps : 9/7/2021 8:25 pm : link
Worst Giants teams I've seen in going on four decades as a fan.

Besides the losing, the incompetence has created a lot of hopelessness. The only shining light is Judge.
RE: 1964-1980  
BMac : 9/7/2021 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15355493 Big Blue '56 said:
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On the money, and these kids just don't get it.
The next time we go 22 years without making the playoffs  
BigBlueNH : 9/7/2021 8:36 pm : link
will be the worst. Until then, 1964-85 takes the title.
make that  
BigBlueNH : 9/7/2021 8:37 pm : link
64-80, 17 seasons.
I started going to Giant games back in 1977  
Jimmy Googs : 9/7/2021 8:43 pm : link
and those were so lean years until Lawrence Taylor came on board.

But this 2017-2020 period has been simply brutal. Made even worse by the obvious and critical mistakes by Gettleman/FO in this period versus just injuries, bad luck, better NFCE competition...
Worse run  
stretch234 : 9/7/2021 9:19 pm : link
2012 the team was 6-4 and 7-5 and had their destiny in their hands multiple times. 13/14 was tear down. 2015 the team blew 5 or 6 games on last. Possession. 2 of the 4 years were in the hunt. 17-20 they were out of it by Nov mostly. Bad 4 years

Reality is that none of those sniffed how bad the team was in the late 60’s and 70’s.
This is easy...  
bw in dc : 9/7/2021 9:30 pm : link
2017-20. And it's driven by incompetent QB play. Eli's career was basically over in 2016, but kept on for two more wasteful years hoping for a miracle. Now his successor, Jones, is looking like he could very easily be a bust.

When QB play is hard to watch - and the NFL IS A QB driven league - it's just impossible to enjoy the games. Let's be honest...
 
christian : 9/7/2021 9:36 pm : link
The Giants had an extraordinary, historically bad run of incompetence that’s nearly unrivaled (all things considered with Wellington/Young) in North American sport.

I don’t think anyone thinks this past decade compares to that. This has just been your garden variety really, really bad.

But that doesn’t make it ok, right?
They have ...  
Bill E : 9/7/2021 9:45 pm : link
...pretty much sucked since 2012.
Not sure why it needs to be split just because of a fluke 2016.

And as others have said; 1964 - 1980 is the worst run for this organization, by far.
Eli and OBJ  
kdog77 : 9/7/2021 10:33 pm : link
were at least to fun to watch play together for 3 years from 2014-2016. The D was abysmal during those years, but if the game was tight in the 4th quarter there was at least hope.

The current 4 year skid has been a lot of crap play with no light at the end of the tunnel. Barkley was fun to watch during his rookie season, but watching Jones has been a chore for past 2 years.
1973-1980  
Carl in CT : 9/7/2021 10:34 pm : link
33-84 I believe
12-15 for me...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/7/2021 10:43 pm : link
...this version of bad feels like the team is moving in the right direction.

The 12-15 team seemed far more rudderless.
I'm not sure what it was about that Panthers game  
Bear vs Shark : 9/7/2021 10:56 pm : link
but it sticks out to me as one of the worst O-Line performances I've ever seen in my life from the Giants, even though I know there's been shittier ones.

Maybe it was the same thing you described -- the "thud" sound of knowing the 07-11 era was just straight up done.
'12-15 for me too because they wasted a franchise qb / solid HC  
Eric on Li : 9/7/2021 11:06 pm : link
at least this recent run of bad football is easily explained with some failed head coaches and breaking in a young qb.

also 2 other features of '12-15 run that were maddening:

1. the inexplicable bad injury luck (Nicks, Cruz, JPP, Phillips, Thomas, Wilson, even Beatty etc)
2. weird personnel decisions (especially letting Linval Joseph walk in '14 but resigning Beason)

we easily lost out on watching 5-10 pro bowl level seasons between those 2 groups of players, and with a good coach/qb that could have made a difference in some of those years. In '12 and '15 they actually had offenses ranked in the top 6. Watching Eli lead go ahead drives in the 4th Q only to watch the other team pull out a victory in the closing seconds on 60+ yard FGs was the worst. Especially in '15 knowing that a healthy 26 year old JPP would have likely been the difference in a lot of those games.
This recent run of bad football is explained by an awful  
chick310 : 9/7/2021 11:20 pm : link
rebuilding process that took 3 offseasons to get off the ground. And even then we still don’t know what we have.

2017 - 2020 has been an abyss.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/7/2021 11:50 pm : link
I still believed in Eli in 2015 so I thought we had a shot at winning a championship any given year.

I thought by the end of 2017 it was clear Eli was done as a guy who can put make an offensive elite.

I also thought 2014 and 2015 was fun with Odell. I think you win with elite players and I thought Eli and Odell were both guys who could win championships.

I haven't had hope since going into 2017, really, which was quickly vanished. I also just don't have the emotional attachment to the 17-20 teams that I did for some of the players on the 12-15 ones.

17-20 was worse by a mile to me.
As has been proven already  
section125 : 9/8/2021 7:43 am : link
each period has its reasons for being the worst.

Clearly nothing touches 64-81

12-15 was awful because it happened so fast and did not need to happen. Allowing the offensive line to collapse was indefensible.(So it actually started 2010ish by not drafting replacement linemen)

17-20 just as dreadful as could possibly be. Picking head coaches without clear vision for building was devastating.

I cannot make up my mind which was worse 12-15 or 17-20.
RE: ...  
Route 9 : 9/8/2021 11:21 am : link
In comment 15355510 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Sean, those ATL & Baltimore games in December '12...Good Lord. I think we were down 20 plus in each game @ halftime. I remember during the Falcons game...wife & I watching @ bar & she was like, 'Hey. You won it all 8 months ago!' & me just glaring @ her. Haha.


The sad part is that I remember being stunned the Giants lost those Atlanta and Baltimore games the way they did. A 34-0 loss to Atlanta was not something in the Giants wheelhouse at the time. The Giants were still defending champions. Same with the 38-0 game to Carolina in 2013.

That one did make me go ... Huh? Maybe this team is as bad (or even worse) as I think they are. Like bottom 5 team in the league bad.
RE: As has been proven already  
Route 9 : 9/8/2021 11:22 am : link
In comment 15355765 section125 said:
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each period has its reasons for being the worst.

Clearly nothing touches 64-81



Exactly because the last 9 years are far worse. Eagle Super Bowl. F off boomers.
I think the signs of trouble started @Cincy in 2012  
Sean : 9/8/2021 11:30 am : link
Lost 31-13, it was a sign of things to come.
1964-1980  
DSPCSP : 9/8/2021 12:06 pm : link
I'm with Big Blue '56 on this one.
RE: I think the signs of trouble started @Cincy in 2012  
Route 9 : 9/8/2021 12:10 pm : link
In comment 15355995 Sean said:
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Lost 31-13, it was a sign of things to come.


Gross. That's another fart bomb of a game I had completely forgotten about. I watched that bullshit in some Motel after Sandy.
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Route 9 : 9/8/2021 12:13 pm : link
Interesting. I don't see '64-81 being one of Christian's options. Weird. School of Hard knocks.
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