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September 8 Fantasy Football Thread: Roster/Trade Discussion

pjcas18 : 9/8/2021 7:59 am
I had a trade proposed to me in PPR it's close looking for advice.

Also, my WR's are not strong, since I had no 2nd or 5th round picks. they have nice potential, but not a strong group right now so it makes this more attractive.

I give up:

Alvin Kamara

I get:
Antonio Gibson
Julio Jones

I am not a huge fan of Jones in that offense, but I like Gibson and was not sure what to expect from Kamara. I was going to accept it, but then I read about Lat Murray being released from NO, so now I'm thinking it could be the Kamara show in NO. I hate giving up the best player in a trade, but this could be a fair trade for both teams.

My roster (I still need to drop one player for a K):
QB: Hurts, Big Ben
RB: Kamara, Taylor, Mostert, Moss, Hubbard
WR: Kupp, Claypool, Shenault, D. Smith, T. Marshall Jr, A. St. Brown
TE: L. Thomas, M. Gesicki
I like Gibson a whole lot more than Julio  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2021 8:06 am : link
at this point.

I would lean to not doing the deal as I think your current WRs might be better than you are giving credit to...and Julio doesn't upgrade them much if any.
I never like trading the best player in the deal  
GNewGiants : 9/8/2021 8:06 am : link
unless its for a kings ransom and I dont think the value is there. While Gibson is a solid number 2, I feel like Jones as the third best option in that offense - its just not worth a consensus top 4 pick - whose upside is the best player in fantasy.
If it was a better receiver coming back  
nygiants16 : 9/8/2021 8:09 am : link
i would say do it, but i dont trust Jones at all, does he have a receiver that appeals to you?
His team is good  
pjcas18 : 9/8/2021 8:14 am : link
he had two 1sts. two 2nds and two 3rds, but he also clogged up roster spots on late round keepers/stashes like Akers, Michael Thomas and Etienne.

His roster:
QB: Dak
RB: McCaffrey, Gibson, Gaskin
WR: Hill, Allen, Julio, Beckham, Waddle, E. Moore, M. Thomas
TE: Kelce

So, would you do it for Allen and Gibson?

I am fine to just reject it, especially with no Latavius Murray in NO.
Julio sat undrafted for quite a long time in my  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2021 8:15 am : link
two drafts before he was ultimately picked.
See if you can change the WR  
robbieballs2003 : 9/8/2021 8:16 am : link
But I would probably do it. A few things though:

1. NO releasing Murray has zero affect on Kamara imo. Part of that is Kamara is already a workhorse and part of that is Tony Jones has looked really good this preseason especially in blitz pickups where he crushed 2 Ravens defenders.

2. There have been multiple reports that Washington wants to use Gibson as Rivera used CMC. If this is true and comes to fruition then he will be right up there with Kamara.

Is it risky to assume that Gibson will be that good? Yes. But Kamara is that offense. Imo, teams will focus in stopping him and he's gonna have a rough year. No Brees. No Thomas. No Tautman. They are missing so many people. Winston has also never really been a dump down guy. He went to the Rex Grossman school of Fuck It, I'm Going Deep.
Julio  
pjcas18 : 9/8/2021 8:17 am : link
went late 3rd in this league which is a two keeper league (no one drafted before round 4 can be kept) so it's slightly skewed for us.

Gibson went in the 7th.

I took Kamara #4.

I'll probably pass, but it is tempting.
I know you may disagree but  
robbieballs2003 : 9/8/2021 8:18 am : link
I would want Moore back. Gibson and Moore for Kamara isn't enough but maybe add another piece in on each side.
RE: His team is good  
GNewGiants : 9/8/2021 8:20 am : link
In comment 15355784 pjcas18 said:
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he had two 1sts. two 2nds and two 3rds, but he also clogged up roster spots on late round keepers/stashes like Akers, Michael Thomas and Etienne.

His roster:
QB: Dak
RB: McCaffrey, Gibson, Gaskin
WR: Hill, Allen, Julio, Beckham, Waddle, E. Moore, M. Thomas
TE: Kelce

So, would you do it for Allen and Gibson?

I am fine to just reject it, especially with no Latavius Murray in NO.


See if I am that guy - why trade? His team is obviously stacked.
RE: I know you may disagree but  
pjcas18 : 9/8/2021 8:21 am : link
In comment 15355789 robbieballs2003 said:
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I would want Moore back. Gibson and Moore for Kamara isn't enough but maybe add another piece in on each side.


What if I expanded it, and I gave him Chuba Hubbard as a handcuff/insurace for McCaffrey

So I offer: Kamara, Hubbard and Terrace Marshall (or a different WR)
for Gibson, K. Allen and Moore

is that even or is it now too skewed to my side?
RE: RE: His team is good  
pjcas18 : 9/8/2021 8:22 am : link
In comment 15355790 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15355784 pjcas18 said:


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he had two 1sts. two 2nds and two 3rds, but he also clogged up roster spots on late round keepers/stashes like Akers, Michael Thomas and Etienne.

His roster:
QB: Dak
RB: McCaffrey, Gibson, Gaskin
WR: Hill, Allen, Julio, Beckham, Waddle, E. Moore, M. Thomas
TE: Kelce

So, would you do it for Allen and Gibson?

I am fine to just reject it, especially with no Latavius Murray in NO.



See if I am that guy - why trade? His team is obviously stacked.


I think he viewed it as Julio is descending in a run first offense, and he is not needed in his lineup, and he views Kamara is a significant upgrade over Gibson.

so make his stacked team even better.
RE: RE: I know you may disagree but  
robbieballs2003 : 9/8/2021 8:28 am : link
In comment 15355792 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15355789 robbieballs2003 said:


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I would want Moore back. Gibson and Moore for Kamara isn't enough but maybe add another piece in on each side.



What if I expanded it, and I gave him Chuba Hubbard as a handcuff/insurace for McCaffrey

So I offer: Kamara, Hubbard and Terrace Marshall (or a different WR)
for Gibson, K. Allen and Moore

is that even or is it now too skewed to my side?


Hell no on Marshall. You keep him. He's gonna be nice this year.
Try St. Brown.  
robbieballs2003 : 9/8/2021 8:31 am : link
I am not excited about any Lions pass catcher outside of Hockenson.

Kamara, Hubbard, and St. Brown

For

Gibson, Allen, and Moore.

Doubt he does it but don't give up Marshall.
Even if it is  
robbieballs2003 : 9/8/2021 8:34 am : link
Kamara, Hubbard, and St. Brown

For

Gibson, Jones, and Moore

I would most likely do it. You care clearing out dead weight on your roster for much more talented players.
Sorry Pjcas to miller my dilemma  
GNewGiants : 9/8/2021 8:44 am : link
But I need a flex option for this week:

Dionte Johnson vs. Buffalo
Darrell Henderson vs. Bears
DJ Chark vs. Houston (I think people are forgetting how good he was two years ago)
Ty'Son Williams vs. Oakland
Jaylen Waddle vs. NE

PPR league. I have Johnson in now.
i woukd do  
nygiants16 : 9/8/2021 8:48 am : link
Kamara for Allen and Gibson
I wouldn't do that trade  
UConn4523 : 9/8/2021 8:49 am : link
not only are you giving up the best player, you are doing it before games are played so you aren't able to take advantage of any urgency.

Reasons to do it - You need help at WR

Reasons not to do it - Julio Jones likely isn't playing 17 games, and even less fully healthy games. I'm also not sure of his fit in the offense. Gibson could hit a sophomore slump that we almost always see, duplicating his rookie success will be hard. Kamara is a stud and you can do better if dealing him.
RE: Sorry Pjcas to miller my dilemma  
robbieballs2003 : 9/8/2021 8:51 am : link
In comment 15355811 GNewGiants said:
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But I need a flex option for this week:

Dionte Johnson vs. Buffalo
Darrell Henderson vs. Bears
DJ Chark vs. Houston (I think people are forgetting how good he was two years ago)
Ty'Son Williams vs. Oakland
Jaylen Waddle vs. NE

PPR league. I have Johnson in now.


If you are in a league where Henderson AND Diontae are FL options then you are in a 10 team or less league with not bug lineups. Both if them are almost sure to start. Who are your starters?
I would keep Kamara  
KDavies : 9/8/2021 8:56 am : link
in a PPR, there is not a better player IMO. He has won me championships.
no worries  
pjcas18 : 9/8/2021 9:00 am : link
about millering - this thread is for everyone to discuss whatever they want about fantasy football.
I love Kupp this year  
UConn4523 : 9/8/2021 9:05 am : link
so its really just WR2 and WR3 you need help with and Jones may struggle to be that. Stafford loves the slot receiver and he isn't a chump like Goff, I expect him to take advantage of Kupps size int he slot. Claypool and Shenault have a lot of potential to be WR2's as well.

I'd stay as is unless the WR you're getting back changes.
Pjacs  
beatrixkiddo : 9/8/2021 9:10 am : link
Keep Kamara. I think you are deeper at WR than you are at RB. Sure you might not have a dominate #1 plug and play WR that is matchup proof, but you have a lot of solid guys there.

Taylor and Kamara is a great 1-2 combo at RB, I don’t care much for your depth behind them too much, But you should be able to improve it on waivers hopefully. Hubbard could be a good deal for a better backup to sell to the McCaffrey owner. Be patient but most importantly don’t sell your stud players, Kamara is gold especially in PPR.
yeah for Allen and Gibson id at least...  
Italianju : 9/8/2021 9:17 am : link
consider it. Not for Julio and Gibson though.

Im in a 12 team non superflex PPR league with a premium on TE (1.5 ppr). How early can you take Kelce in this format? 3rd? 2nd? Or still towards the end of round 1? Him and Waller are going to be absolute monsters in this kinda format.
I have a question if my own  
beatrixkiddo : 9/8/2021 9:17 am : link
Trying to set my lineup for week one, 12 team PPR league. Roster is below, with starters listed on top. Not sure who I should play at RB2 this week, I have a lot of options, but I’m leaning Swift. Let me know if I should substitute someone else (Sermon, Gordon,etc.):

QB: Lawrence
WR: Adams
WR: Hill
RB: Taylor
RB: Swift
Flex: Shenault
TE: Tonyan
Def: Tampa
K: Sanders

Bench:
Sermon
Javonte Williams
Gordon
Ty’Son Williams
T. Marshall

Swift if he starts  
superspynyg : 9/8/2021 9:40 am : link
Gordon if not
I think I'd pass on the original offer  
Eric on Li : 9/8/2021 9:56 am : link
unless Gibson would be a no doubt keeper for you going forward and provide a lot of multi-year value that way. Without seeing how the keepers play out year over year its hard to weigh that.

I also agree with the consensus of Keenan Allen > julio.

but overall Kamara is the best player in the deal and lined up for the biggest workload. so unless you see extreme value in gibson as a keeper going forward I'd pass.
RE: Swift if he starts  
beatrixkiddo : 9/8/2021 10:05 am : link
In comment 15355859 superspynyg said:
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Gordon if not


Thanks. That was my thoughts as well, he has been practicing and should be good to go. Figure he will see a lot of work against SF if they have to play from behind.
N0  
ZogZerg : 9/8/2021 10:13 am : link
I wouldn't do it.
Saints have a very good OL. Kamara should have a huge year.

You take a significant downgrade at RB and get a ? at WR.
RE: RE: Sorry Pjcas to miller my dilemma  
GNewGiants : 9/8/2021 10:37 am : link
In comment 15355815 robbieballs2003 said:
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If you are in a league where Henderson AND Diontae are FL options then you are in a 10 team or less league with not bug lineups. Both if them are almost sure to start. Who are your starters?


QB: Brady
RBs: Ekeler and Gibson
WRs: Adams and DJ Moore
TEs: Waller
K: Bass
Defense: Ravens

10 team league and I had the 5th pick
RE: RE: RE: Sorry Pjcas to miller my dilemma  
robbieballs2003 : 9/8/2021 10:50 am : link
In comment 15355930 GNewGiants said:
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In comment 15355815 robbieballs2003 said:


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If you are in a league where Henderson AND Diontae are FL options then you are in a 10 team or less league with not bug lineups. Both if them are almost sure to start. Who are your starters?



QB: Brady
RBs: Ekeler and Gibson
WRs: Adams and DJ Moore
TEs: Waller
K: Bass
Defense: Ravens

10 team league and I had the 5th pick


Nice. I'd start Diontae over Moore and then choose between Moore and Henderson. And I would choose Henderson over Moore. I'm also very down on Ekeler this year as he's not a red zone guy. He killed me last year between the hamstring and not being used inside the 10.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Sorry Pjcas to miller my dilemma  
GNewGiants : 9/8/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15355945 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15355930 GNewGiants said:


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In comment 15355815 robbieballs2003 said:


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If you are in a league where Henderson AND Diontae are FL options then you are in a 10 team or less league with not bug lineups. Both if them are almost sure to start. Who are your starters?



QB: Brady
RBs: Ekeler and Gibson
WRs: Adams and DJ Moore
TEs: Waller
K: Bass
Defense: Ravens

10 team league and I had the 5th pick



Nice. I'd start Diontae over Moore and then choose between Moore and Henderson. And I would choose Henderson over Moore. I'm also very down on Ekeler this year as he's not a red zone guy. He killed me last year between the hamstring and not being used inside the 10.


I love Ekeler in my PPR league and Gibson catches a ton of passes too. I want to see Roethlisberger first. He was bad last year.

I think Moore can be huge with Darnold who is posed to be much better too.
RE: Pjacs  
kdog77 : 9/8/2021 11:35 am : link
In comment 15355828 beatrixkiddo said:
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Keep Kamara. I think you are deeper at WR than you are at RB. Sure you might not have a dominate #1 plug and play WR that is matchup proof, but you have a lot of solid guys there.

Taylor and Kamara is a great 1-2 combo at RB, I don’t care much for your depth behind them too much, But you should be able to improve it on waivers hopefully. Hubbard could be a good deal for a better backup to sell to the McCaffrey owner. Be patient but most importantly don’t sell your stud players, Kamara is gold especially in PPR.


100% This.

Kamara has been the most consistent RB1 in PPR over the past 3 years and was the top RB in PPR last year. He gets most of the goal line last year and has been a lock to get 80 receptions on over 100 targets in Payton's offense. Remember he did this without Michael Thomas and Brees not able to throw the ball downfield. Gibson had decent 4.7 YPC and 11 TDs last year, but he only had 36 receptions on 44 targets. That is a 40-50 point swing in production right there. You also have to consider WFT's abysmal history with rotating RBs every other year due to injury. Packaging Gibson with an oft injured Julio, Allen or unproven rookie WRs for Kamara doesn't seem like it will make your team any better then just biding your time and picking up FAs off the waiver wire.

Also why would you want to make a trade with the team that already has McCaffrey, Hill and Kelce? You will just be making the strongest team stronger. Wait a few weeks and find a team more desperate to trade a WR for one of your backup RBs.
What would you do in this scenario?  
RC in MD : 9/8/2021 12:14 pm : link
12-team SuperFlex .5PPR Dynasty league with 4pt TD passes:

I am not particularly happy with my TE situation, but I think the trade upside just isn't there.

QB: P.Mahomes
RB: S.Barkley, J.Taylor
WR: C.Kupp, J.Jones
TE: D.Goedert
SuperFlex: T.Lawrence
Flex: B.Aiyuk

Bench: Javonte Williams, T.Sermon, DaVonta Smith, E.Engram, S.Shepard, D.Watson (for shits and giggles and potentially keeper for next season)

After putting out a call for TE offers, I got a trade offer of:

TJ.Hockenson and M.Thomas
for
Javonte Williams and D.Goedert.

While I would like to stash Thomas in my IR until he returns, I am not too high on Hockenson. And I'm high on Williams's upside. He does have D.Waller, so I may want to counteroffer with Williams and Goedert for Waller, but I think he'll just laugh and reject it.
RE: What would you do in this scenario?  
pjcas18 : 9/8/2021 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15356071 RC in MD said:
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12-team SuperFlex .5PPR Dynasty league with 4pt TD passes:

I am not particularly happy with my TE situation, but I think the trade upside just isn't there.

QB: P.Mahomes
RB: S.Barkley, J.Taylor
WR: C.Kupp, J.Jones
TE: D.Goedert
SuperFlex: T.Lawrence
Flex: B.Aiyuk

Bench: Javonte Williams, T.Sermon, DaVonta Smith, E.Engram, S.Shepard, D.Watson (for shits and giggles and potentially keeper for next season)

After putting out a call for TE offers, I got a trade offer of:

TJ.Hockenson and M.Thomas
for
Javonte Williams and D.Goedert.

While I would like to stash Thomas in my IR until he returns, I am not too high on Hockenson. And I'm high on Williams's upside. He does have D.Waller, so I may want to counteroffer with Williams and Goedert for Waller, but I think he'll just laugh and reject it.


I wouldn't do that trade.

Goedert played only 11 games last year, 5 less than Hockenson and in my league had 55 less points.

Hockenson: 16 games, 67 catches, 723 yards, 6 TDs, 1 2pt, 1 FL = 181.9 points = 11.3 points per week

Goedert: 11 games, 46 catches, 524 yards, 3 TD's = 126.5 points = 11.5 points per week.

So your league is .5 ppr, mine is 1 ppr, but in my league on a ppg bais Goedert is the better player and you are not getting a TE upgrade at all (based on last years stats).

And who knows what Thomas will bring when he comes back. Not worth stashing him IMO to lose Williams. But I would stash Thomas if I could, just not sure at that cost.
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