I had a trade proposed to me in PPR it's close looking for advice.
Also, my WR's are not strong, since I had no 2nd or 5th round picks. they have nice potential, but not a strong group right now so it makes this more attractive.
I give up:
Alvin Kamara
I get:
Antonio Gibson
Julio Jones
I am not a huge fan of Jones in that offense, but I like Gibson and was not sure what to expect from Kamara. I was going to accept it, but then I read about Lat Murray being released from NO, so now I'm thinking it could be the Kamara show in NO. I hate giving up the best player in a trade, but this could be a fair trade for both teams.
My roster (I still need to drop one player for a K):
QB: Hurts, Big Ben
RB: Kamara, Taylor, Mostert, Moss, Hubbard
WR: Kupp, Claypool, Shenault, D. Smith, T. Marshall Jr, A. St. Brown
TE: L. Thomas, M. Gesicki
I would lean to not doing the deal as I think your current WRs might be better than you are giving credit to...and Julio doesn't upgrade them much if any.
His roster:
QB: Dak
RB: McCaffrey, Gibson, Gaskin
WR: Hill, Allen, Julio, Beckham, Waddle, E. Moore, M. Thomas
TE: Kelce
So, would you do it for Allen and Gibson?
I am fine to just reject it, especially with no Latavius Murray in NO.
1. NO releasing Murray has zero affect on Kamara imo. Part of that is Kamara is already a workhorse and part of that is Tony Jones has looked really good this preseason especially in blitz pickups where he crushed 2 Ravens defenders.
2. There have been multiple reports that Washington wants to use Gibson as Rivera used CMC. If this is true and comes to fruition then he will be right up there with Kamara.
Is it risky to assume that Gibson will be that good? Yes. But Kamara is that offense. Imo, teams will focus in stopping him and he's gonna have a rough year. No Brees. No Thomas. No Tautman. They are missing so many people. Winston has also never really been a dump down guy. He went to the Rex Grossman school of Fuck It, I'm Going Deep.
Gibson went in the 7th.
I took Kamara #4.
I'll probably pass, but it is tempting.
His roster:
QB: Dak
RB: McCaffrey, Gibson, Gaskin
WR: Hill, Allen, Julio, Beckham, Waddle, E. Moore, M. Thomas
TE: Kelce
So, would you do it for Allen and Gibson?
I am fine to just reject it, especially with no Latavius Murray in NO.
See if I am that guy - why trade? His team is obviously stacked.
What if I expanded it, and I gave him Chuba Hubbard as a handcuff/insurace for McCaffrey
So I offer: Kamara, Hubbard and Terrace Marshall (or a different WR)
for Gibson, K. Allen and Moore
is that even or is it now too skewed to my side?
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he had two 1sts. two 2nds and two 3rds, but he also clogged up roster spots on late round keepers/stashes like Akers, Michael Thomas and Etienne.
His roster:
QB: Dak
RB: McCaffrey, Gibson, Gaskin
WR: Hill, Allen, Julio, Beckham, Waddle, E. Moore, M. Thomas
TE: Kelce
So, would you do it for Allen and Gibson?
I am fine to just reject it, especially with no Latavius Murray in NO.
See if I am that guy - why trade? His team is obviously stacked.
I think he viewed it as Julio is descending in a run first offense, and he is not needed in his lineup, and he views Kamara is a significant upgrade over Gibson.
so make his stacked team even better.
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I would want Moore back. Gibson and Moore for Kamara isn't enough but maybe add another piece in on each side.
What if I expanded it, and I gave him Chuba Hubbard as a handcuff/insurace for McCaffrey
So I offer: Kamara, Hubbard and Terrace Marshall (or a different WR)
for Gibson, K. Allen and Moore
is that even or is it now too skewed to my side?
Hell no on Marshall. You keep him. He's gonna be nice this year.
Kamara, Hubbard, and St. Brown
For
Gibson, Allen, and Moore.
Doubt he does it but don't give up Marshall.
For
Gibson, Jones, and Moore
I would most likely do it. You care clearing out dead weight on your roster for much more talented players.
Dionte Johnson vs. Buffalo
Darrell Henderson vs. Bears
DJ Chark vs. Houston (I think people are forgetting how good he was two years ago)
Ty'Son Williams vs. Oakland
Jaylen Waddle vs. NE
PPR league. I have Johnson in now.
Reasons to do it - You need help at WR
Reasons not to do it - Julio Jones likely isn't playing 17 games, and even less fully healthy games. I'm also not sure of his fit in the offense. Gibson could hit a sophomore slump that we almost always see, duplicating his rookie success will be hard. Kamara is a stud and you can do better if dealing him.
Dionte Johnson vs. Buffalo
Darrell Henderson vs. Bears
DJ Chark vs. Houston (I think people are forgetting how good he was two years ago)
Ty'Son Williams vs. Oakland
Jaylen Waddle vs. NE
PPR league. I have Johnson in now.
If you are in a league where Henderson AND Diontae are FL options then you are in a 10 team or less league with not bug lineups. Both if them are almost sure to start. Who are your starters?
I'd stay as is unless the WR you're getting back changes.
Taylor and Kamara is a great 1-2 combo at RB, I don’t care much for your depth behind them too much, But you should be able to improve it on waivers hopefully. Hubbard could be a good deal for a better backup to sell to the McCaffrey owner. Be patient but most importantly don’t sell your stud players, Kamara is gold especially in PPR.
Im in a 12 team non superflex PPR league with a premium on TE (1.5 ppr). How early can you take Kelce in this format? 3rd? 2nd? Or still towards the end of round 1? Him and Waller are going to be absolute monsters in this kinda format.
QB: Lawrence
WR: Adams
WR: Hill
RB: Taylor
RB: Swift
Flex: Shenault
TE: Tonyan
Def: Tampa
K: Sanders
Bench:
Sermon
Javonte Williams
Gordon
Ty’Son Williams
T. Marshall
I also agree with the consensus of Keenan Allen > julio.
but overall Kamara is the best player in the deal and lined up for the biggest workload. so unless you see extreme value in gibson as a keeper going forward I'd pass.
Thanks. That was my thoughts as well, he has been practicing and should be good to go. Figure he will see a lot of work against SF if they have to play from behind.
Saints have a very good OL. Kamara should have a huge year.
You take a significant downgrade at RB and get a ? at WR.
If you are in a league where Henderson AND Diontae are FL options then you are in a 10 team or less league with not bug lineups. Both if them are almost sure to start. Who are your starters?
QB: Brady
RBs: Ekeler and Gibson
WRs: Adams and DJ Moore
TEs: Waller
K: Bass
Defense: Ravens
10 team league and I had the 5th pick
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If you are in a league where Henderson AND Diontae are FL options then you are in a 10 team or less league with not bug lineups. Both if them are almost sure to start. Who are your starters?
QB: Brady
RBs: Ekeler and Gibson
WRs: Adams and DJ Moore
TEs: Waller
K: Bass
Defense: Ravens
10 team league and I had the 5th pick
Nice. I'd start Diontae over Moore and then choose between Moore and Henderson. And I would choose Henderson over Moore. I'm also very down on Ekeler this year as he's not a red zone guy. He killed me last year between the hamstring and not being used inside the 10.
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If you are in a league where Henderson AND Diontae are FL options then you are in a 10 team or less league with not bug lineups. Both if them are almost sure to start. Who are your starters?
QB: Brady
RBs: Ekeler and Gibson
WRs: Adams and DJ Moore
TEs: Waller
K: Bass
Defense: Ravens
10 team league and I had the 5th pick
Nice. I'd start Diontae over Moore and then choose between Moore and Henderson. And I would choose Henderson over Moore. I'm also very down on Ekeler this year as he's not a red zone guy. He killed me last year between the hamstring and not being used inside the 10.
I love Ekeler in my PPR league and Gibson catches a ton of passes too. I want to see Roethlisberger first. He was bad last year.
I think Moore can be huge with Darnold who is posed to be much better too.
Taylor and Kamara is a great 1-2 combo at RB, I don’t care much for your depth behind them too much, But you should be able to improve it on waivers hopefully. Hubbard could be a good deal for a better backup to sell to the McCaffrey owner. Be patient but most importantly don’t sell your stud players, Kamara is gold especially in PPR.
100% This.
Kamara has been the most consistent RB1 in PPR over the past 3 years and was the top RB in PPR last year. He gets most of the goal line last year and has been a lock to get 80 receptions on over 100 targets in Payton's offense. Remember he did this without Michael Thomas and Brees not able to throw the ball downfield. Gibson had decent 4.7 YPC and 11 TDs last year, but he only had 36 receptions on 44 targets. That is a 40-50 point swing in production right there. You also have to consider WFT's abysmal history with rotating RBs every other year due to injury. Packaging Gibson with an oft injured Julio, Allen or unproven rookie WRs for Kamara doesn't seem like it will make your team any better then just biding your time and picking up FAs off the waiver wire.
Also why would you want to make a trade with the team that already has McCaffrey, Hill and Kelce? You will just be making the strongest team stronger. Wait a few weeks and find a team more desperate to trade a WR for one of your backup RBs.
I am not particularly happy with my TE situation, but I think the trade upside just isn't there.
QB: P.Mahomes
RB: S.Barkley, J.Taylor
WR: C.Kupp, J.Jones
TE: D.Goedert
SuperFlex: T.Lawrence
Flex: B.Aiyuk
Bench: Javonte Williams, T.Sermon, DaVonta Smith, E.Engram, S.Shepard, D.Watson (for shits and giggles and potentially keeper for next season)
After putting out a call for TE offers, I got a trade offer of:
TJ.Hockenson and M.Thomas
for
Javonte Williams and D.Goedert.
While I would like to stash Thomas in my IR until he returns, I am not too high on Hockenson. And I'm high on Williams's upside. He does have D.Waller, so I may want to counteroffer with Williams and Goedert for Waller, but I think he'll just laugh and reject it.
I am not particularly happy with my TE situation, but I think the trade upside just isn't there.
QB: P.Mahomes
RB: S.Barkley, J.Taylor
WR: C.Kupp, J.Jones
TE: D.Goedert
SuperFlex: T.Lawrence
Flex: B.Aiyuk
Bench: Javonte Williams, T.Sermon, DaVonta Smith, E.Engram, S.Shepard, D.Watson (for shits and giggles and potentially keeper for next season)
After putting out a call for TE offers, I got a trade offer of:
TJ.Hockenson and M.Thomas
for
Javonte Williams and D.Goedert.
While I would like to stash Thomas in my IR until he returns, I am not too high on Hockenson. And I'm high on Williams's upside. He does have D.Waller, so I may want to counteroffer with Williams and Goedert for Waller, but I think he'll just laugh and reject it.
I wouldn't do that trade.
Goedert played only 11 games last year, 5 less than Hockenson and in my league had 55 less points.
Hockenson: 16 games, 67 catches, 723 yards, 6 TDs, 1 2pt, 1 FL = 181.9 points = 11.3 points per week
Goedert: 11 games, 46 catches, 524 yards, 3 TD's = 126.5 points = 11.5 points per week.
So your league is .5 ppr, mine is 1 ppr, but in my league on a ppg bais Goedert is the better player and you are not getting a TE upgrade at all (based on last years stats).
And who knows what Thomas will bring when he comes back. Not worth stashing him IMO to lose Williams. But I would stash Thomas if I could, just not sure at that cost.