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Patrick Graham’s aspirations

Daniel in Kentucky : 9/8/2021 3:40 pm
He was our defensive line coach for 2016–2017 and was not retained when Shurmur took over. So he didn’t leave to pursue other options, he was let go by the new coaching staff. The reason I bring it up is because I believe him when he says this is his dream job. He left the Patriots in a parallel move to come to a sucky Giants franchise after winning a super bowl in New England. After hearing his story about how Judge basically forcing him to talk to him when he sat next to him I think we have something special here.
Sort of like a Tom Moore with the Colts or a Jim Johnson with the Eagles. A coach who really enjoys being a coordinator and has no aspiration to be a head coach.
He said this is his dream job and he works for one of his best friends and I think this is potentially an awesome situation for our coaching staff’s continuity.
I hope Graham stays here for a long long time.
Graham  
Mike in NY : 9/8/2021 3:45 pm : link
Ultimately if the right offer presents itself I think Graham will move on. That being said, he does not want to end up in a situation like Zak Taylor in Cincy.
It'd be nice. I don't think less of coordinators who just that role  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/8/2021 3:47 pm : link
. Some guys are not meant to be head coaches and it takes awareness to know that about yourself.
would love it to be a McDaniels scenario  
UConn4523 : 9/8/2021 3:47 pm : link
need to start winning for that to be an option but hey, even BB was 5-11 his first year!
Imo  
robbieballs2003 : 9/8/2021 3:48 pm : link
He's a down to earth guy that isn't going to just say something to say it. He's being truthful in that comment. Personally, I don't think he wants all the bullshit that comes along with being a HC. When he first became a DC he was very nervous in his interview. I think he just wants to coach. Yes, he still has to get up in front of reporters or cameras every once in awhile but I truly believe he is right where he wants to be. That doesn't mean his values won't change. He may want to make that next step eventually. He has gotten much better in front of the reporters and cameras over the last year plus. I also think his family and stability are very important to him so it means a ton when he didn't accept the Jets offer to interview. Had he interviewed and gotten that job he wouldn't have to move his family. So, I think that speaks volumes to him being truthful saying he wants to be here.
Owners need to give Graham some shares or something  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2021 3:48 pm : link
get creative so we don't lose him.

Unrelated, but did you all see how much weight this guy lost since last season? I just saw a before and after picture, and it's unreal...and good for him.
The Kevin Gilbrides of the world  
BlackLight : 9/8/2021 3:52 pm : link
who succeed well enough as coordinators to be viable HC candidates, but who rather stay at that level, are pretty rare birds.
Wouldn’t that be nice, Judge and Graham  
Big Blue '56 : 9/8/2021 3:53 pm : link
growing “old” together. Good chance of that happening, imo
Let us  
BigBlueJ : 9/8/2021 3:53 pm : link
just enjoy the now.
And Daniel,  
Big Blue '56 : 9/8/2021 3:53 pm : link
great call on Tom Moore
If you're a purist  
mittenedman : 9/8/2021 3:57 pm : link
you might want to stay as a coordinator.

As a Head Coach, you aren't in charge of the offense or defense anymore. That's not for everyone. A highly paid Defensive Coordinator under a secure Head Coach who you like working for is a great situation.
I was very happy...  
Dan in the Springs : 9/8/2021 3:59 pm : link
hearing him talk about the Giants and how the team was important to him, as is his relationship with Coach Judge.

Now, how long can we hold onto Sean Spencer before he's gathered interest elsewhere? I'm wondering what percent of defensive success should be allocated to the job he's doing with the DL. My impression is that he is very effective and highly regarded, at least by the players.
if he leaves and gets a head coach job, good for him  
KDavies : 9/8/2021 4:26 pm : link
means he had a successful season. Spencer may then get a promotion, and the Giants get a couple of comp picks
Loving Graham thus far  
bigblue5611 : 9/8/2021 4:34 pm : link
Let's hope he's our version of Dick LeBeau.
Let's see him coach a top 5 defense  
ZogZerg : 9/8/2021 5:11 pm : link
For the Giants.
Money talks  
uther99 : 9/8/2021 5:24 pm : link
Average head coach makes 5-6 million? Average DC 1 million? That's a pretty big difference.

I can see him leaving for a big payday
Hearing him talk  
RAIN : 9/8/2021 5:26 pm : link
not sure he's a HC. Sounds like he has the XO's and players in his camp, but seems like an introvert. Don't know if that translates to HC.
Had similar thoughts after reading that piece yesterday  
j_rud : 9/8/2021 5:37 pm : link
Here's to hoping
I understand the aspirations thing and sure, it’s nice  
Big Blue '56 : 9/8/2021 5:43 pm : link
to reach the pinnacle of a profession. But in the NFL where so few last out their first contract? A solid Coordinator can make excellent money, enough to live out their lives more than comfortable, imv.

Too, you’re in charge of a portion of the team with very little pressure COMPARED to a HC, though the job of coordinator is far from a piece of cake.

comfortable=comfortably  
Big Blue '56 : 9/8/2021 5:44 pm : link
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One minor correction  
ron mexico : 9/8/2021 6:17 pm : link
Graham came to us from Miami. Flores let him leave for a lateral move.
Pay him like a head coach.  
Giant John : 9/8/2021 6:29 pm : link
Less to worry about.
It's really up to him. If he wants a head coaching job, he'll get one.  
Ira : 9/8/2021 6:34 pm : link
My guess is that it depends on whether the specific opportunity is to his liking.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/8/2021 7:07 pm : link
The Athletic had a good article about his & JJ's relationship. I think odds are...if defense is a top 10 unit, he gets some serious HC buzz next winter.
RE: One minor correction  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/8/2021 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15356380 ron mexico said:
Quote:
Graham came to us from Miami. Flores let him leave for a lateral move.


But didn't we tack on assistant HC?
I wouldn't read to much into him turning down the Jets  
fireitup77 : 9/8/2021 7:14 pm : link
It's the Jets. Smart guys aren't going to take their shot with that organization.

Second, he has a history here. He wants to help Judge get things right here. Afterwards he will be in a position to hook up with a quality organization and have a long time gig as HC.
I’m also curious, other than a Mike Tomlin, Lovie and possibly Zimmer  
Big Blue '56 : 9/8/2021 7:42 pm : link
and very few others(?), who besides position coaches have gone on to have a successful HC run?
He has said that he might like to be a head coach some day  
Reale01 : 9/8/2021 8:13 pm : link
Followed by - but not yet. It will come when it does if it does and that this is his dream job and he is all in.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/9/2021 6:26 pm : link
Why is everyone convinced Graham is a genius? I think he needs more time to prove himself as worthy of the Moore/Johnson category. Wasn't he terrible in MIA?
RE: RE: One minor correction  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/10/2021 5:43 am : link
In comment 15356418 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
In comment 15356380 ron mexico said:


Quote:


Graham came to us from Miami. Flores let him leave for a lateral move.



But didn't we tack on assistant HC?

That's a meaningless distinction in terms of hiring a coach from another team. The NFL only recognizes two levels: head coach and assistant coach. You can hire any assistant for a head coaching job, but if an assistant is under contract, his current team must grant permission to leave for another assistant position, regardless of whether it represents a promotion or not.
The thing Graham said that makes me believe this  
Sean : 9/10/2021 6:15 am : link
“He loves to to teach” - I think that falls much more in line with coordinator than head coach. I love the Judge/Graham combo.
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