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the strange case of Ifeadi Odenigbo

Grizz99 : 9/9/2021 5:12 am
It's not often that a team commits to an individual in Free Agency and then abruptly let's him go. And letting Ifeadi go was expensive at that.
I wonder what went so dramatically wrong. The son of Nigerians, his mother worked her way to a Medical Degree and is a practicing Pediatrician; his father a civil enineer. No one questioned the kids work ethic or intelligence. He was high character and a potential leader. HE was very fast and should have been able to play a role in coverage, he came with the reasonable expectation that he could play with his hand in the dirt, or slide to linebacker, thereby providing the flexibility that The Giants prize.
I don't know what it means that they cut him so quickly and resolutely. Does it speak well that there was no sentimentality or coverups for a mistake; or is it a bad mark that they invested so much in a player who didn't fit here?
Did he come to camp out of shape (not likely) or do we have so much talent (also unlikely) that he was simply outperformed.?
The right answer, that will come out over time, will say alot about this Giant team.
He was cut quickly? He lasted the entire camp.  
George from PA : 9/9/2021 5:22 am : link
Never picked up the 3-4 system.....horrible in coverage, couldn't beat out our edges, wasn't able to even be on the nascar group (an all rush Lber) nor was he able to play on the DL.

He is a back-up 4-3 DE....experiment failed.
Did they really invest so much in him?  
Milton : 9/9/2021 6:34 am : link
He signed a 1-year $2.5M contract with the Giants with a $1M signing bonus. So the dead cap cost is $1M on the 2021 cap. They signed him in free agency to a minimal contract same as they signed John Ross and Zach Fulton. It's what they do as insurance against not getting a player at that position in the draft. It helps them stick to BPA. In Odenigbo's case, they drafted Ojulari and Elerson Smith, so he became unneeded. The Zach Fulton acquisition blew up their face when they went the draft didn't fall in a way that favored taking an OL and then he went and retired (and Lemieux got injured).
I look at it as a good sign  
cjac : 9/9/2021 6:41 am : link
That they are cutting players that don’t fit the system

I feel like when Shurmur was here they’d stick with someone just to not admit they made a mistake.

There was a lot of trying to pound a round peg into a square hole. I prefer it this way. Why keep anyone on the roster that’s not the right fit.

You noticed how fast the new regime bailed on Corey Ballantine.
He was a 7th rd draft pick picked up on an inexpensive FA deal  
DavidinBMNY : 9/9/2021 6:47 am : link
And he was beat out. It was a minimum investment insurance policy.

They had no way of knowing they'd land who they got in the draft.
Well it seems like your mind is already made up  
Chris684 : 9/9/2021 7:21 am : link
doesn’t it?

They invested a lot?  
Jay on the Island : 9/9/2021 8:08 am : link
They gave him just 1$ Million guaranteed. That’s investing a lot? IMO investing a lot is what the Chiefs did to their offensive line.
'The right answer will come out and say a lot about this Giant team.'  
NYGgolfer : 9/9/2021 8:12 am : link
What is it that you think it will say?

What it means to me  
section125 : 9/9/2021 8:13 am : link
is they drafted better players, plus Carter and Ximenes recovered from their injuries. I think Carter was a huge part or the decision.
this sounds like a SJW infused thread  
ATL_Giants : 9/9/2021 8:27 am : link
no thanks man. Stir up shit somewhere else.
I think the answers are right on this thread  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 8:31 am : link
from George in PA, Milton, cjac, David, Jay on the Island and others. Case not so strange.
RE: I look at it as a good sign  
Johnny5 : 9/9/2021 8:35 am : link
In comment 15356650 cjac said:
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That they are cutting players that don’t fit the system

I feel like when Shurmur was here they’d stick with someone just to not admit they made a mistake.

There was a lot of trying to pound a round peg into a square hole. I prefer it this way. Why keep anyone on the roster that’s not the right fit.

You noticed how fast the new regime bailed on Corey Ballantine.

Agreed on all points. I liked Odenigbo, he really seemed to set the edge well, but clearly that was not near enough to keep him on the roster.
I'm not a call out kind of guy  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 8:38 am : link
but it is kind of funny that someone was insisting (multiple posts) b4 camp that Carter's career must be over, bc they spent so much money on Odenigbo.

Swing and a miss!
RE: I'm not a call out kind of guy  
crick n NC : 9/9/2021 8:41 am : link
In comment 15356698 Dr. D said:
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but it is kind of funny that someone was insisting (multiple posts) b4 camp that Carter's career must be over, bc they spent so much money on Odenigbo.

Swing and a miss!


insisting that's the problem. There is absolutely nothing wrong with predictions, opinions, thoughts; it's the certainty that brings the arguments.
The guys above are right  
JonC : 9/9/2021 8:43 am : link
he's a 4-3 DE, which means he's on the bench roughly half the time. It's a good thing when other players knock him off the roster, which is not to say they're the longterm solution(s) either. NYG needs to keep searching for OLBs.
i dont think there is much mystery  
cjac : 9/9/2021 9:15 am : link
on how Joe Judge feels about his players

"The best players will play. I don't care where you got drafted, I don't care if you're an undrafted free agent, I don't care if you're old, young, traded, whatever you got there for. Everybody will have an opportunity every day to compete for a job on our roster. Every day. If you want to be on the field, be the best player. Outwork the guy in front of you. Prove your value to us, show you can handle the job, and we're going to put you on the field and give you an opportunity."
RE: What it means to me  
Jay on the Island : 9/9/2021 9:25 am : link
In comment 15356680 section125 said:
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is they drafted better players, plus Carter and Ximenes recovered from their injuries. I think Carter was a huge part or the decision.

This, IMO Odenigbo was a backup plan in case Carter didn't make a full recovery and the young players weren't ready for a larger role. We should be happy that Odenigbo lost his roster spot because other younger players knocked him off the roster.

As JonC pointed out we still need to see if any long term options are on the current roster. As of now Edge rusher is still a big need in next years draft.
It was a failed projection.  
mittenedman : 9/9/2021 9:30 am : link
Odenigbo made his name as an interior rusher for the Vikings, where most of his sacks & pressures came from. Heavy hands. Gettleman noted this after signing him. He didn't do anything of note as an Edge player and certainly didn't scream OLB to me.

I figured he would be a situational interior pass rusher here, but it never materialized.
It probably just means  
David B. : 9/9/2021 9:43 am : link
He wasn't really any better than the guys they kept. Probably better to find that out before the season than after.
RE: RE: I'm not a call out kind of guy  
mfsd : 9/9/2021 9:43 am : link
In comment 15356699 crick n NC said:
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In comment 15356698 Dr. D said:


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but it is kind of funny that someone was insisting (multiple posts) b4 camp that Carter's career must be over, bc they spent so much money on Odenigbo.

Swing and a miss!



insisting that's the problem. There is absolutely nothing wrong with predictions, opinions, thoughts; it's the certainty that brings the arguments.


+1
He wasn’t good enough to make the roster.  
CV36 : 9/9/2021 9:53 am : link
Strange case closed.
RE: RE: I'm not a call out kind of guy  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 10:03 am : link
In comment 15356699 crick n NC said:
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In comment 15356698 Dr. D said:


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but it is kind of funny that someone was insisting (multiple posts) b4 camp that Carter's career must be over, bc they spent so much money on Odenigbo.

Swing and a miss!



insisting that's the problem. There is absolutely nothing wrong with predictions, opinions, thoughts; it's the certainty that brings the arguments.

You're absolutely right and it's the same way with our QB. The absolute certainty that he's going to fail, just seems silly. As if some people have crystal balls or they're just smarter than the professionals including JJ (who could've done something about QB this past offseason if he really didn't believe in the QB he has).
Best players case  
PaulN : 9/9/2021 11:12 am : link
I don't think it had anything to do with the rookies at all, it had everything to do with Carter and Ximenese, maybe a little to so with a player like Carter Coughlin, who can come in and play the outside linebacker role in pass rushing situations, and he looked real good, plus he plays many other roles. I also think it's a very good thing that they could cut a pretty good football player that just didn't quite fit their system.
RE: this sounds like a SJW infused thread  
santacruzom : 9/9/2021 11:52 am : link
In comment 15356684 ATL_Giants said:
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no thanks man. Stir up shit somewhere else.


What?? I don't see that element in the post at all.

I think the OP's first theory about it showing no "sentimentality" is probably true here, in a good way. I'm sure releasing him was difficult in conversation but they didn't wind up having the need for him that they once thought they'd have. If that was the case, releasing him is the much better outcome for everyone, including him.
Please, there's lots to criticize DG for, but not this...  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/9/2021 12:17 pm : link
...The Giants coaches thought their younger players at the position earned roster spots and they let Odeningbo go so that he could sign with another team.
Strange case lol?  
j_rud : 9/9/2021 12:33 pm : link
Some of you have been so traumatized by the last decade that cutting a middling FA who played for 5 teams in 4 years requires investigation. Slow down Perry Mason, he just wasn't very good.
What do his parents have to do with anything?  
Gman11 : 9/9/2021 12:39 pm : link
He sucked in the preseason. He couldn't get off a block by a running back. But, yeah, let's keep him because he has good parents.
The Giants SAVED cap space by keeping Johnson over Odenigbo.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/9/2021 1:40 pm : link
The $1MM bonus was a sunk cost either way. Would I like to have it back? Sure. But the team is better off, in 2021 and certainly thereafter, with a cheap, promising rookie. I’m glad the coaching staff had the conviction and autonomy to trust their own judgment.

Johnson, Roche, Brown, Coughlin, Smith, et. al. (Not to mention Ojulari) might never amount to much, but the payoff if they do is much higher than a good year from Odenigbo on a prove-it deal.
thread should be retitled...  
Jimmy Googs : 9/9/2021 2:49 pm : link
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