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NFT: Is it a bad idea to buy my 18 yr old daughter a convertible?

Dr. D : 9/9/2021 8:49 am
Daughter is about to turn 18 and she wants a Mustang. I found a used one with relatively low mileage in a color she'll really like. My main concern is it's a convertible. She'll probably dig that too, but should I do it?

It doesn't seem to affect insurance rates. Assuming she never rolls it (I had a few pretty major crashes (went airborne couple times) as a young lad and never rolled a car), are there any reasons I shouldn't? Thanks in advance.
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I'd be more concerned with buying her a mustang  
weeg in the bronx : 9/9/2021 8:51 am : link
But thats me.
Ask her what she wants.  
Marty in Albany : 9/9/2021 8:53 am : link
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I'm with Weeg on this one  
whispa : 9/9/2021 8:55 am : link
But if you are set on getting her one, go with Marty suggestion and ask unless it's a surprise.
"and she'll have  
PEEJ : 9/9/2021 8:59 am : link
Fun, fun, fun till her daddy takes the mustang awaaaaay.."
not sure it's  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2021 8:59 am : link
much different than a jeep wrangler and i see tons of teens driving jeeps.

the way one of my kids has damaged/dented/had minor fender benders, I tend to stick the dime a dozen older but reliable camry's or accords mostly due to repairs, but your call on that.

my biggest question would be more about where you live and how practical a convertible would be in the colder months.

safety  
Hilary : 9/9/2021 9:01 am : link
I would be concerned about the increase danger to driver and passenger in God forbid a rollover MVA or the possibility of being ejected in an accident. The heavier the car, the more metal around you the better.
Getting  
Straw Hat : 9/9/2021 9:05 am : link
A young kid a car like that is never a good idea in my opinion. How about a nice Prius?
RE: Ask her what she wants.  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 9:06 am : link
In comment 15356717 Marty in Albany said:
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As I said, she wants a Mustang.
personally I would love to get her a big old Lincoln  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 9:09 am : link
or a tank of some kind, but she won't be happy in anything but a Mustang.
RE: Getting  
jvm52106 : 9/9/2021 9:13 am : link
In comment 15356728 Straw Hat said:
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A young kid a car like that is never a good idea in my opinion. How about a nice Prius?


"can you explain why you were doing 65 in a 25"
"i was drag racing"
"in a prius?" (Gen 2)
"i don't win a lot"
wow....  
DannyDimes : 9/9/2021 9:14 am : link
there's no way I'm buying my daughter a Mustang for a first car, let alone a convertible. The odds of her wrecking that car are off the charts....
is this a safety question?  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2021 9:15 am : link
can't help you on that one but its probably not the best choice if that's your goal. But first and foremost I generally don't subscribe to buying kids nice cars, or buying them one at all unless their extracurriculars prevent them from getting a job.

My parents couldn't afford getting me a car so I did it myself. That thought me to work hard and value the money I earned at 15 years old.
RE: personally I would love to get her a big old Lincoln  
Mike in NY : 9/9/2021 9:16 am : link
In comment 15356731 Dr. D said:
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or a tank of some kind, but she won't be happy in anything but a Mustang.


Damn times have changed since I got my license. My parents said until you can afford the cost of the vehicle, the insurance, gas, etc. you will take whatever car we let you drive (and this is in a town where parents routinely gave their kids new BMW's, SUV's, etc. when they turned 17 if not before then).
High power RWD car, novice driver.. What could go wrong?  
penkap75 : 9/9/2021 9:19 am : link
Tons of videos of idiot Mustang drivers wrecking their cars, especially the solid rear axle models.
Yes.  
BrettNYG10 : 9/9/2021 9:20 am : link
You should buy me one instead.
i mean  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2021 9:20 am : link
she says she won't be happy in anything but a mustang, we all know that isn't true. She can get nothing, right? Is nothing worse than not a Mustang? I'd say so.
RE: personally I would love to get her a big old Lincoln  
jvm52106 : 9/9/2021 9:21 am : link
In comment 15356731 Dr. D said:
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or a tank of some kind, but she won't be happy in anything but a Mustang.


As a parent to 9 kids (three out of the house now), the idea that she won't be happy unless it is a mustang is difficult to read. You have to parent as you see fit (preface that before saying this)- I however would be very clear, if you don't like the car I am BUYING you then get a job and buy your own. Just my opinion.
When she's paying  
winoguy : 9/9/2021 9:21 am : link
she can get what she wants, when you're paying she gets what she needs...
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Route 9 : 9/9/2021 9:22 am : link
Get her a 1989 Honda Civic
First cars for my children  
Archer : 9/9/2021 9:24 am : link
I always procured stick shift cars for my kids
This was done for a variety of reasons

You cant drive a stick and use a cell phone simultaneously

Their friends had no idea how to drive the car so I did not worry about others driving the car

I wanted them to learn how to drive a stick

Manual cars were less money than automatic cars

I also got the safest compact available (used Audis)

RE: When she's paying  
Straw Hat : 9/9/2021 9:24 am : link
In comment 15356748 winoguy said:
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she can get what she wants, when you're paying she gets what she needs...


This is the best answer.
some additional info  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 9:27 am : link
she's been driving a Ford Escape for almost 3 years (got her license at 15) and she's only had a minor fender bender about 1 year ago.
RE: First cars for my children  
Route 9 : 9/9/2021 9:28 am : link
In comment 15356754 Archer said:
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I always procured stick shift cars for my kids
This was done for a variety of reasons

You cant drive a stick and use a cell phone simultaneously

Their friends had no idea how to drive the car so I did not worry about others driving the car

I wanted them to learn how to drive a stick

Manual cars were less money than automatic cars

I also got the safest compact available (used Audis)


I learned to drive stick when I was 17. Funny thing? Since that merry day of mastering said wonderful task, I never drove a car with a manual transmission ever again. One and done.
RE: some additional info  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2021 9:36 am : link
In comment 15356758 Dr. D said:
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she's been driving a Ford Escape for almost 3 years (got her license at 15) and she's only had a minor fender bender about 1 year ago.


I feel bad prying but you did start the thread - why does she need a new car, is the current one no longer working properly? Does she want one just because?

We can't really help you on the later - up to you on how you want to do that. I know how i'd handle it though.
RE: personally I would love to get her a big old Lincoln  
rsjem1979 : 9/9/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15356731 Dr. D said:
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or a tank of some kind, but she won't be happy in anything but a Mustang.


The option always exists for her to buy herself a car, doesn't it?

I was thrilled that my dad got himself a new car and gave me his 1991 Pontiac Bonneville. The very notion that he would have let me dictate the specific terms of a car I wasn't paying for is ludicrous.
I bought my daughter a used Audi A4 convertable  
PatersonPlank : 9/9/2021 9:38 am : link
She was slightly older, in college, but loved it and never had a problem. I wanted to get her something nice since she was traveling to college 3 hours away.
My father gave me a used Camaro when I was 18  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 9:40 am : link
of course I worked my ass off on his farm without pay, but that's another story. I didn't crash the Camaro. I crashed other cars, but not that one.
I am old school  
thevett : 9/9/2021 9:42 am : link
If my daughter told me sh won’t be happy with anything but a mustang. I’d tell her to find employment. And if I did buy one it would have a six in it as a motor.
RE: RE: some additional info  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 9:44 am : link
In comment 15356766 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15356758 Dr. D said:


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she's been driving a Ford Escape for almost 3 years (got her license at 15) and she's only had a minor fender bender about 1 year ago.



I feel bad prying but you did start the thread - why does she need a new car, is the current one no longer working properly? Does she want one just because?

We can't really help you on the later - up to you on how you want to do that. I know how i'd handle it though.

The Escape is our 2nd car and will return to being that. Daughter is going away to college. Maybe I'm trying to be too nice, I don't know.
RE: I am old school  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 9:45 am : link
In comment 15356780 thevett said:
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If my daughter told me sh won’t be happy with anything but a mustang. I’d tell her to find employment. And if I did buy one it would have a six in it as a motor.

It has a V6
who's paying for college  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2021 9:47 am : link
?
Convertibles aren't inherently more dangerous than any other car,  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/9/2021 9:47 am : link
except if you roll out and if that's the first thing that comes to mind, maybe a Mustang isn't the best choice.

That said, it depends on the model. Base Mustangs can be pretty tame, relatively. I don't know if I'd hand the keys over for a GT, though.
It's about the driver  
PEEJ : 9/9/2021 9:49 am : link
not the vehicle.

RE: who's paying for college  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 9:53 am : link
In comment 15356793 UConn4523 said:
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We are (have a 529 acct), but she's been dual enrollment for her Jr and Sr yrs of HS, so she should get her BS in 2.5-3 yrs.
you seem to want to get her something nice  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2021 9:55 am : link
so go for it.

But i'm of the other mold - already paying for college, drove a car that she didn't pay for for 3 years and now wants a new one of her choosing? No shot, but that's just me.

So is the question about the safety/reliability of a mustang, or whether you should get her what she wants? 2 different questions with 2 very different sets of answers.
I got my daughter a Mustang when she was 16  
X : 9/9/2021 9:58 am : link
She had already proven to be a very good driver with her permit which she got when she was 15 (we live in Florida). She played competitive softball and I had her drive to many of her tournaments, some which were hundreds of miles away. However I wouldn't get her a convertible. I did a lot of research and the mustang hardtop had great safety ratings.

She had the car all through high school and college. It is still going with 130 thousand miles and I would do it again.

If your daughter is responsible and has shown to be a good driver, go for it.
RE: It's about the driver  
X : 9/9/2021 9:59 am : link
In comment 15356797 PEEJ said:
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not the vehicle.


Exactly
You know your daughter  
joeinpa : 9/9/2021 10:01 am : link
Better than anyone here. If I were in that position, I d do it for my daughter.
Which Mustang is it?  
rnargi : 9/9/2021 10:02 am : link
GT V8(4.6L)? V6? GT500 (Coyote 5.0)?

ALL of these produce a LOT of HP. Even the 6. I have a 2009 GT as my "play" car. It's a shitload of car, and I have very few mods on it. Be careful and be sure she can handle it.
RE: My father gave me a used Camaro when I was 18  
rnargi : 9/9/2021 10:04 am : link
In comment 15356776 Dr. D said:
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of course I worked my ass off on his farm without pay, but that's another story. I didn't crash the Camaro. I crashed other cars, but not that one.


When I turned 16 in 78, my dad was going to sell me his 73 SS (350 V8) for 400 bucks. My mom put the kibosh on that instantly. I loved that car.
RE: who's paying for college  
Route 9 : 9/9/2021 10:06 am : link
In comment 15356793 UConn4523 said:
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Government?
Yes, on several levels...  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/9/2021 10:11 am : link
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RE: Which Mustang is it?  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 10:12 am : link
In comment 15356814 rnargi said:
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GT V8(4.6L)? V6? GT500 (Coyote 5.0)?

ALL of these produce a LOT of HP. Even the 6. I have a 2009 GT as my "play" car. It's a shitload of car, and I have very few mods on it. Be careful and be sure she can handle it.

I would never get her a GT. It's a 3.7L V6
some of you are a drag!  
Csonka : 9/9/2021 10:14 am : link
Doc, you know your daughter. If she's reckless then don't do it. If she's responsible and she'll be cautious, that's a really fun car for a young adult. She'll love it.
I'm surprised...  
jamison884 : 9/9/2021 10:26 am : link
I wanted to help give you an answer, as safety testing, including rollover tests for SUV's and minivans are standard and even many normal cars to test the rigidity and strength of the A/B pillars and roof.

As late as the 2015 model, the Mustang has no roll-protection. The standard in many convertibles is to have rear seat head cushions pop-up within ~125 milliseconds after a roll sensor detects an event, and in that case it's pretty damn safe. As the Mustang back seats aren't used all that often...bonus. But, I couldn't even find the primary front seats having a pop-up head cushion roll bar.

Ask the seller straight up; if there's no rollover protection, I wouldn't buy the car myself let alone a son or daughter.
RE: RE: Which Mustang is it?  
rnargi : 9/9/2021 10:31 am : link
In comment 15356830 Dr. D said:
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In comment 15356814 rnargi said:


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GT V8(4.6L)? V6? GT500 (Coyote 5.0)?

ALL of these produce a LOT of HP. Even the 6. I have a 2009 GT as my "play" car. It's a shitload of car, and I have very few mods on it. Be careful and be sure she can handle it.


I would never get her a GT. It's a 3.7L V6


Then if she's a safe driver, I think that's reasonable. Just remember, the 3.7 still generates 300+ HP. It's a lot of car.
PS:  
jamison884 : 9/9/2021 10:38 am : link
I have a lot of track time in my own cars and a lot of those supercar rental laps (hitting 145mph on the straight in a Ferrari 488). In addition, I consider myself a legitimate defensive driver due to experience with fast cars on track in my proximity and at least five situations where I successfully evaded an accident. The worth was a fully-stopped mile of cars on the parkway immediately over a blind crest in the Parkway North.

I had to use max ABS and offset the car towards the lane lines to avoid the rear of the car in front, then immediately look behind me, but thankfully I was now visible at the top of the crest with brake lights.

My point being: I'm not worried about my driving. I'm worried about some real massive idiots out there. The kind of type who don't understand driving too slow in the left or right lane for a given road isn't safer, but more dangerous. The German Autobahn unlimited sections don't have worse safety records than American highways, because Germans (and surrounding EU citizens are taught to drive the correct way: left lane is for passing only.

The accidents that are caused on the Autobahn are primarily due to the speed differential between travelling cars. Keep your speed relative to your lane and the lane into which you're moving over to. Then you'll be fine.

Off of the highways, it comes down to luck when some asshole runs a red light or is drunk.

Credentials: motor-racing enthusiest with the goal of amatuer racing one day (my last two cars were even sporty with the near-extinct manual transmission!), 0 accidents with ~20 years on the road, never even pulled over by a cop (well, except when I borrowed my mom's car to go to university classes and she forgot to renew the registration; he let me go with a warning).

I hope this helps.
ok, I've decided against the convertible  
Dr. D : 9/9/2021 10:38 am : link
didn't really want to work with that dealer anyway (long story). I'm looking at another one; has about 10K more mileage, but it has a hardtop.
Yep the question  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/9/2021 10:40 am : link
is whether you trust her with a 300 hp car. T hi ose things get up and go, even the base model I4
Seems like a lot of HP for a first car.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2021 10:47 am : link
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