Some nice words from Pat Shurmur

The personality of a head coach in my opinion. Came off soft, and had no fire to him at all. Good mind for offense though.

In comment 15357146 Straw Hat said:

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The personality of a head coach in my opinion. Came off soft, and had no fire to him at all. Good mind for offense though.

It takes all kinds. Look at Tony Dungy. They don't come more soft-spoken than him.

In comment 15357153 FranknWeezer said:

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In comment 15357146 Straw Hat said: Quote: The personality of a head coach in my opinion. Came off soft, and had no fire to him at all. Good mind for offense though. It takes all kinds. Look at Tony Dungy. They don't come more soft-spoken than him.

Tony Dungy is one of my favorite coaches. He just proves that there's more than one way to be a successful HC. Soft spoken, but no BS.

Not that he wouldn't still have been as successful without him, but it didn't hurt that he had one of the closest players to a player-coach I've seen in NFL with Peyton Manning.

are different. Dungy had a very commanding presence about him, you can see it when he's a guest/commentating on various shows. Shurmur always sounded like he was still learning on the job, which is ok to a degree but it never felt like he was definitive on all that much. HC was too overwhelming.

Pat Shurmur seems like a really nice guy but I just think he's a bad football head coach. He was an uninspiring candidate and a bad hire. I felt this way during that whole process. He was bad in Cleveland but people wanted to give him the Cleveland excuse.

I think he can do some nice things with QBs and as an OC overall but he's not HC material. His press conference after the 2019 finale vs. Eagles was painful to watch and listen to.

He wore a suit that fit him

Thought he would improve the second time and would get the most out of Eli.

Good offensive mind and very well respected. I did think he hung Eli out a bit in the second year with how he was calling the game with him as he wanted to get Jones on the field.

being a little bitch in the post game after you've made no real attempt to change your gameplan is a different thing.

Shurmur just wasn't able to convince solid assistants to come coach with him. The fact that he couldn't hire any OL coach better than Hal Hunter, who to this day remains unemployed, speaks volumes about his ability to construct a successful staff.

I still don't understand why he didn't hire a QB coach when they had just drafted a QB 6th overall. There is no limit or cap on the number of coaches a team can have yet Shurmur had Mike Shula(his 3rd or 4th choice as OC) serve as both the OC and QB coach without even hiring an assistant QB coach.

For comparison sake Judge hired Jason Garrett as OC, Freddie Kitchens as Senior Offensive assistant who will help Garrett as passing game coordinator, plus Offensive Quality Control Coach Russ Callaway who will also help prepare the game plans each week.

because he had success in Arizona but man was he awful here without a stud pass rusher like Chandler Jones. Bettcher was absolutely dreadful at making adjustments.

but he's a pussy and he coached like a pussy


not going for it on fourth and 1 from midfield against the Pats should have got him fired the next morning

need strong coordinators to survive.

Reid is one of those guys too.

Shurmur's coordinators were garbage.

not cut out to be a HC.

In comment 15357192 US1 Giants said:

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not cut out to be a HC.

Yes, the one thing I give Shurmur credit for is his work with Daniel Jones. Despite the fumbles Jones played very well in several games during his rookie season despite the terrible OL, no running game, and a receiving corps decimated by injury who was among the worst in the NFL when healthy.

In comment 15357194 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 15357192 US1 Giants said: Quote: not cut out to be a HC. Yes, the one thing I give Shurmur credit for is his work with Daniel Jones. Despite the fumbles Jones played very well in several games during his rookie season despite the terrible OL, no running game, and a receiving corps decimated by injury who was among the worst in the NFL when healthy.

I agree that he wasn't a good coach, but he's a better offensive coordinator than the one we have now.

In comment 15357192 US1 Giants said:

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not cut out to be a HC.

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This^.

Hired Hal Hunter, right? That alone made you question the moves he made all around. Fangio was great but the Giants packed talent.

At least then Antoine Bethea wouldn't have joined and wasted everybody's time.

Shurmer was uninspiring but Patricia. McDaniel (who later burnt Colts), were the "hot" names.

In comment 15357162 Chris684 said:

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Pat Shurmur seems like a really nice guy but I just think he's a bad football head coach.

agree... you can't blame him for accepting a promotion. This is on Mara and Gettleman.

In comment 15357191 Dnew15 said:

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need strong coordinators to survive. Reid is one of those guys too. Shurmur's coordinators were garbage.

Shurmur seems to be the strong coordinator/mediocre head coach type.

But his hiring was a weird offseason...he wasn't our first choice (not that Matt Patricia proved any better), and he threw together a patchwork staff on the fly.

It didn't seem like he had a set of strong relationships with guys ready to join his staff, and a certain type of coach he was looking for in coordinators/position coaches the way Judge did.

Just didn’t work here. Probably for a lot of different reasons.

and offense. I wonder how Jones would have looked in year two if Shurmur was still here? Garrett’s offense is very uninspiring.

He doesn't have the tools to be a successful head coach.

And it still wouldn't have fixed our line.

I think they would have been on the same page and worked well together.

To bad the optics would have been bad to demote him because they were paying him either way.

In comment 15357161 UConn4523 said:

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are different. Dungy had a very commanding presence about him, you can see it when he's a guest/commentating on various shows. Shurmur always sounded like he was still learning on the job, which is ok to a degree but it never felt like he was definitive on all that much. HC was too overwhelming.

Commanding? Never got that feel from Dungy at all… at least no more than Shurmur. Not saying Dungy wasn’t a good coach, but the guy puts me to sleep.

In comment 15357191 Dnew15 said:

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need strong coordinators to survive. Reid is one of those guys too. Shurmur's coordinators were garbage.

I don’t agree about Reid at all. Yes he needs a strong dc but the offense is all him and it’s brilliant when he has the right players and because he is so involved with the offense he needs someone strong that he can trust to run the defense for him. That’s much different than needing strong coordinators because he’s not strong enough to be a hc

Shurmur's best fit is as a coordinator. Should allow teams to pay coordinators like HCs.

There is pressure, an expectation to move up the ladder and it's often a poor fit, or premature at the least

leadership means loud, fiery.....just smh.

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