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Trainmaster : 9/9/2021 6:43 pm
Let's get the season kicked off right with an asswooping of the hated Cowboys by the Buccaneers.

Bucs 31 - Cowboys 17

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RE: RE: For a guy who isn't played...  
Bear vs Shark : 9/10/2021 12:45 am : link
In comment 15357953 speedywheels said:
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a live game for eleven months, Dak was super impressive. Especially with no running game and on the road against Brady and the defending champs.

He's a fourth round pick who plays like a first rounder.

Meanwhile, our first round QB...



LOL - i thought wasn’t about Jones? That’s what you said, right??

You’re pathetic.

what is pathetic, lol? Dak is better than Jones (RIGHT NOW), he was a 4th round pick and Jones was 6th overall, and he is just a much better QB.

bw is commenting on a game thread about the cowboys on a Giants board, references the play of the QB in the game we're all watching, and naturally compares him to our team's QB, who is underachieving.

I don't get what's pathetic. Do you think that's a different thought than pretty much every Giants fan who was watching the game at a bar tonight had?

The fact that most of BBI can't admit that Dak is a better QB than Jones just drives home how infantile this board is. It's way more pathetic that you somehow took that innocuous post so personally that you called someone ELSE pathetic.

Let's get it out in the open people -- Dak is a better QB than Daniel Jones right now, and unless DJ really takes a leap, it's looking like it will always be that way.

The beauty is that you don't always need the best QB to win. Eli beat Aaron Rodgers in '11, and Aaron Rodgers is clearly a better QB than Eli.

Just fucking be honest with yourselves lol
RE: RE: RE: I was also told Dak is an average QB during his contract talks  
Bill in UT : 9/10/2021 12:46 am : link
In comment 15357952 Bear vs Shark said:
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Dak is absolutely a top QB in this league, it really isn't very debatable.



All I can do is call them as I see them and I may very well be wrong, but I see nothing special about Dak. Just about everything is debatable, your saying it isn't doesn't make it true. If you said Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, maybe Allen for top 5 I'm there. But Dak isn't a given from my pov.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I was also told Dak is an average QB during his contract talks  
Bear vs Shark : 9/10/2021 12:52 am : link
In comment 15357956 Bill in UT said:
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Dak is absolutely a top QB in this league, it really isn't very debatable.





All I can do is call them as I see them and I may very well be wrong, but I see nothing special about Dak. Just about everything is debatable, your saying it isn't doesn't make it true. If you said Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, maybe Allen for top 5 I'm there. But Dak isn't a given from my pov.
I didn't put Top 5 on it, but he's very obviously in the top 3rd of QBs in the league, and I really don't think that's debatable in the slighest. So he's 12 or above, and I'd put him in the 7-8 range.

Brady
Mahomes
Rodgers
Allen (based off last year)
Jackson (maybe? play style matters in this case)
Wilson

Then who? Herbert? Needs to prove it again. Tannehill? Watson (not playing)? Kyler? Then of course, Burrow, Baker

I'd take Dak over all of the QBs in the previous sentence, other than Herbert, or Burrow if he can come show that he's come back from injury.

I think Dak is a safe bet for Top 8 QB, at least right now. Maybe Baker, Kyler, or Burrow take a massive leap, but the guy is a damn good QB and I'd be very souped if he was a Giant
RE: RE: RE: For a guy who isn't played...  
speedywheels : 9/10/2021 12:58 am : link
In comment 15357955 Bear vs Shark said:
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a live game for eleven months, Dak was super impressive. Especially with no running game and on the road against Brady and the defending champs.

He's a fourth round pick who plays like a first rounder.

Meanwhile, our first round QB...



LOL - i thought wasn’t about Jones? That’s what you said, right??

You’re pathetic.


what is pathetic, lol? Dak is better than Jones (RIGHT NOW), he was a 4th round pick and Jones was 6th overall, and he is just a much better QB.

bw is commenting on a game thread about the cowboys on a Giants board, references the play of the QB in the game we're all watching, and naturally compares him to our team's QB, who is underachieving.

I don't get what's pathetic. Do you think that's a different thought than pretty much every Giants fan who was watching the game at a bar tonight had?

The fact that most of BBI can't admit that Dak is a better QB than Jones just drives home how infantile this board is. It's way more pathetic that you somehow took that innocuous post so personally that you called someone ELSE pathetic.

Let's get it out in the open people -- Dak is a better QB than Daniel Jones right now, and unless DJ really takes a leap, it's looking like it will always be that way.

The beauty is that you don't always need the best QB to win. Eli beat Aaron Rodgers in '11, and Aaron Rodgers is clearly a better QB than Eli.


He claimed his game threads comments weren’t a veiled jab at Jones, only to admit later it was.

THAT is what is pathetic.

At least own your shit…
Just fucking be honest with yourselves lol
Wow  
Straw Hat : 9/10/2021 1:24 am : link
Almost forgot how terrible bbi game threads are. Tough read.
To me, Dak is  
Bill in UT : 9/10/2021 1:25 am : link
Alex Smith. Give him a good running attack and a strong OL and he'll manage the offense. Hit the short passes efficiently. But as a guy who is a game changer on his own ability, I don't see it. And Daniel Jones does not enter into my thinking at all.
Dak is much better than Alex smith  
Payasdaddy : 9/10/2021 1:42 am : link
Don’t get the hate for him
He is a pretty damn good qb. Would put him in the top 1/3 for sure, possibly top 1/4
Brady is the easy GOAT  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/10/2021 2:00 am : link
What a fucking legend. He’s gonna win two in a row in his sleep at this point, this shit was practice for them and they still handled an aggressive Dallas team when everyone was sloppy.

It won’t be the Packers that take them down even if Rodgers wins another beating the team that beats the Bucs. The Rams or Chiefs with Mahomes going God mode are the Only two teams that can mess with a fully healthy and focused Bucs team.

Antonio Brown is about to murder teams. Mike Evans/Gronk as the #3/#4 targets when they’re two of the top 10 or better RZ receivers in the league is a joke.
RE: Brady is the easy GOAT  
81_Great_Dane : 9/10/2021 2:29 am : link
In comment 15357964 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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What a fucking legend. He’s gonna win two in a row in his sleep at this point, this shit was practice for them and they still handled an aggressive Dallas team when everyone was sloppy.

It won’t be the Packers that take them down even if Rodgers wins another beating the team that beats the Bucs. The Rams or Chiefs with Mahomes going God mode are the Only two teams that can mess with a fully healthy and focused Bucs team.

Antonio Brown is about to murder teams. Mike Evans/Gronk as the #3/#4 targets when they’re two of the top 10 or better RZ receivers in the league is a joke.
It's a looonngg season. We'll see how things look in December and January.

Agree with you about Brady. He's unlikable but I think the GOAT argument is settled, and he's getting ready to lap the field.
Dak has become a top qb in this league. They're a much better team  
Ira : 9/10/2021 3:19 am : link
with him back.
RE: Dak is much better than Alex smith  
eli4life : 9/10/2021 3:46 am : link
In comment 15357963 Payasdaddy said:
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Don’t get the hate for him
He is a pretty damn good qb. Would put him in the top 1/3 for sure, possibly top 1/4


I agree and there is only a handful of teams that would rather keep what they have over dak . That being said let’s see how dak does when that aging oline starts showing there wear and tear again. Then there’s that defense. It’s not far fetched to say this is probably as sloppy as you will see the tampa offense this year and they still put up 31 including a page out of our old playbook letting them walk down the field at the end like a hot knife through butter. I don’t know any qb that can overcome that obstacle more than the others consistently.

On a side note tampa seems to me like a number of them has been reading a little too much of their own press. I can see old tommy boy going off on them sometime sooner than later which with as much talent that they have would probably be a bad thing for the rest of the league
What made Dak great was that he was a 4th Rder  
George from PA : 9/10/2021 4:02 am : link
@40+ million.....he puts Dallas in a very tough spot.

He has a great OL,,,aging but still great. Top talent on offense.....but nothing special on defense....

And probably can not afford enough to ever get a championship team.

It doesn't matter if Dak is top 10 or even top 5....if he can not over come the Cowboys short comings...they will never win a championship....which is all that matters.

Last night was gifted to the Cowboys....but yet they lost.

Very admirable game by Dak, but still a loss. I also think....The Giants can beat them...which is all that matters
Great game and nice Dallas loss  
dabru : 9/10/2021 4:04 am : link
Dak looked really good but he also has the pieces around him. Dallas D, not so much. Basically what was expected.

The bucs didn’t run the ball enough to minimize the amount of possessions, I suppose when you have Brady it’s not as big an issue but I hope the Giants pound on that D this year.

Who cares what round dak or Jones was drafted, it is pretty meaningless- dak is making top tier qb money and Jones is on rookie contract.
Well, if the Cowboys offensive line  
M.S. : 9/10/2021 6:00 am : link

with a big assist from Ezekiel Elliott can stone one of the NFL's best pass rushing teams, then Zak Prescott is gonna put up some ginormous passing stats this season.

Homerism can bend reality.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/10/2021 6:04 am : link
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RE: To me, Dak is  
M.S. : 9/10/2021 6:12 am : link
In comment 15357962 Bill in UT said:
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Alex Smith. Give him a good running attack and a strong OL and he'll manage the offense. Hit the short passes efficiently. But as a guy who is a game changer on his own ability, I don't see it. And Daniel Jones does not enter into my thinking at all.

Last night, Dak Prescott had no run game, yet he passed for over 400 yards, completing over 70% of his passes. That's a little more than just managing the offense.

The Giants secondary is way, way better than Dallas' and the Bucs', but I can say this right now: I am not looking forward to playing against Dak Prescott this season.
By my count, Dallas and Tampa Bay  
M.S. : 9/10/2021 6:23 am : link

threw the ball 108 times combined!

That's 77% of all plays from the line of scrimmage.

That can only happen if their respective O-Lines stoned the opposing team's pass rush.
RE: For a guy who isn't played...  
jvm52106 : 9/10/2021 6:25 am : link
In comment 15357942 bw in dc said:
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a live game for eleven months, Dak was super impressive. Especially with no running game and on the road against Brady and the defending champs.

He's a fourth round pick who plays like a first rounder.

Meanwhile, our first round QB...


Ha ha, you are predictable. Let's not mention that Dak should have been picked off twice in the redzone. Not mention that they had 4 turnovers of the Bucs and two inside the 20 of TB and couldn't put TB away. Or how TB , low on secondary folks were playing Gianys castoffs Ross Cockrell and Andrew Adams for 2/3rds of the game.. But please, yake your Jones shots.
RE: By my count, Dallas and Tampa Bay  
section125 : 9/10/2021 6:25 am : link
In comment 15357980 M.S. said:
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threw the ball 108 times combined!

That's 77% of all plays from the line of scrimmage.

That can only happen if their respective O-Lines stoned the opposing team's pass rush.


And they could not run block....which neither could.

And the QBs got rid of it quickly.

Passpro was rather good.
RE: RE: For a guy who isn't played...  
section125 : 9/10/2021 6:29 am : link
In comment 15357981 jvm52106 said:
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a live game for eleven months, Dak was super impressive. Especially with no running game and on the road against Brady and the defending champs.

He's a fourth round pick who plays like a first rounder.

Meanwhile, our first round QB...



Ha ha, you are predictable. Let's not mention that Dak should have been picked off twice in the redzone. Not mention that they had 4 turnovers of the Bucs and two inside the 20 of TB and couldn't put TB away. Or how TB , low on secondary folks were playing Gianys castoffs Ross Cockrell and Andrew Adams for 2/3rds of the game.. But please, yake your Jones shots.


This is very true - Dallas could not get the ball into the end zone despite several chances well inside the red zone. They should have had 50 points.
Didn't see the game only the highlights  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/10/2021 6:38 am : link
but if you get four turnovers and still give up 30+, probably not good (even if it is to Brady). Sure were a lot of open receivers on both sides.
Dak will always be really tough  
GNewGiants : 9/10/2021 6:44 am : link
To evaluate because he has a good OL and probably a top 3 WR core in the league. I mean Gallup was a monster last night and he’s their third best WR.

If I’m TB - I would be really concerned cause their secondary was atrocious. Many of Dak’s completions were to guys that many of us could have completed.
QBRs are in from last night's game...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2021 6:44 am : link
Brady: 65.3
Dak: 74.3

For the uninformed, the higher the better. Hmmmmm.
Dak  
stretch234 : 9/10/2021 6:50 am : link
Yet despite all his great numbers, the most important stat is he lost
RE: QBRs are in from last night's game...  
DavidinBMNY : 9/10/2021 6:53 am : link
In comment 15357986 bw in dc said:
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Brady: 65.3
Dak: 74.3

For the uninformed, the higher the better. Hmmmmm.
Brady's number is a tad low from those 3 passes he tossed into the wind intentionally. From the eye test Brady made more wow throws, Dak hung in the pocket and used his legs. Both had really good games - especially week 1 and Dak is a true pro - guy didn't play in pre-season and you wouldn't have known it.
RE: Dak will always be really tough  
M.S. : 9/10/2021 6:54 am : link
In comment 15357985 GNewGiants said:
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To evaluate because he has a good OL and probably a top 3 WR core in the league. I mean Gallup was a monster last night and he’s their third best WR.

If I’m TB - I would be really concerned cause their secondary was atrocious. Many of Dak’s completions were to guys that many of us could have completed.

Based on an average of 16 games per season, here are a few of Dak Prescott's career stats:

QB Rating
97.4

Completed Passes
356

Pass Attempts
537

Pass Completion Percentage
66.2%

Passing Yardage
4,123

TD Passes
25

INTs
9

Dak Prescott is an elite NFL QB.
Dak was good last night  
nygiants16 : 9/10/2021 6:59 am : link
and i would 100% take Dak over Jones at this present moment, simply for the fact i know what Dak is and i dont know what Jones is..

Having said that, the Cowboys dont win when Dak puts up monster numbers and throwing a crazy amount of times.
.Last year they were 1-4 with Dak putting up crazy numbers and no running game..

Dallas is at its best when they have balance and Zeke is running well..
RE: RE: Dak will always be really tough  
nygiants16 : 9/10/2021 7:01 am : link
In comment 15357989 M.S. said:
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To evaluate because he has a good OL and probably a top 3 WR core in the league. I mean Gallup was a monster last night and he’s their third best WR.

If I’m TB - I would be really concerned cause their secondary was atrocious. Many of Dak’s completions were to guys that many of us could have completed.


Based on an average of 16 games per season, here are a few of Dak Prescott's career stats:

QB Rating
97.4

Completed Passes
356

Pass Attempts
537

Pass Completion Percentage
66.2%

Passing Yardage
4,123

TD Passes
25

INTs
9

Dak Prescott is an elite NFL QB.


Didnt look it up but isnt that basically daniel Jones rookie year stats in 12 games?
RE: QBRs are in from last night's game...  
section125 : 9/10/2021 7:02 am : link
In comment 15357986 bw in dc said:
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Brady: 65.3
Dak: 74.3

For the uninformed, the higher the better. Hmmmmm.


Nobody said Dak had a bad game, but he did not get the team into the endzone when he had several chances more than Brady. They had 3 FGs and missed 1.(I will not count the 60 yarder). Failing to get into the EZ is one of your criticisms of Jones.
He completed 10 more passes for only 12 more yards. YPA was less than Brady's - another criticism.

I like Dak a lot more than most. I think BBI grossly under rates him.
Boxscore - ( New Window )
Dak played very well last night against a weak TB secondary  
joe48 : 9/10/2021 7:07 am : link
He has always had very good pieces around him which has allowed him to develop into the QB he is in his 6th year. What I like about Dak is that he is real competitor. Problem for Cowboys is they have so much money invested in their offense defense suffers. Bucs tried to give this game away and werelucky to have Brady. Dallas has flaws. You don’t win many games throwing 56 passes. Our defense matches up well . The offense needs to pick it up. Jones is not at Dak’s level and this year we should see major improvement or look for another QB . Jones and Garret need to figure it out.


RE: RE: Dak will always be really tough  
GNewGiants : 9/10/2021 7:07 am : link
In comment 15357989 M.S. said:
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To evaluate because he has a good OL and probably a top 3 WR core in the league. I mean Gallup was a monster last night and he’s their third best WR.

If I’m TB - I would be really concerned cause their secondary was atrocious. Many of Dak’s completions were to guys that many of us could have completed.


Based on an average of 16 games per season, here are a few of Dak Prescott's career stats:

QB Rating
97.4

Completed Passes
356

Pass Attempts
537

Pass Completion Percentage
66.2%

Passing Yardage
4,123

TD Passes
25

INTs
9

Dak Prescott is an elite NFL QB.


Elite QBs win big games.
RE: RE: QBRs are in from last night's game...  
bigbluescot : 9/10/2021 7:18 am : link
In comment 15357988 DavidinBMNY said:
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Brady: 65.3
Dak: 74.3

For the uninformed, the higher the better. Hmmmmm.

Brady's number is a tad low from those 3 passes he tossed into the wind intentionally. From the eye test Brady made more wow throws, Dak hung in the pocket and used his legs. Both had really good games - especially week 1 and Dak is a true pro - guy didn't play in pre-season and you wouldn't have known it.


Brady had a couple of pretty egregious drops from his receivers as well, as well as two absolute fingernail pass defenses which in one case stopped an almost certain TD.

I actually thought Tampa's offense was pretty sloppy last night. The Cowboys D looks like it can neither stop the run nor cover the perimeter particularly well.
I didn't read through this but  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/10/2021 7:22 am : link
My takeaway is Dallas is going to score a ton, and be a problem for us this yr... even though their coach hamstrings them kicking fg and punting on 4th downs.
RE: QBRs are in from last night's game...  
Big Blue '56 : 9/10/2021 7:25 am : link
In comment 15357986 bw in dc said:
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Brady: 65.3
Dak: 74.3

For the uninformed, the higher the better. Hmmmmm.


Dak, 6.9 YPA..What is the so-called acceptable standard for ypa? Asking for a friend..
Dak played a nice game  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/10/2021 7:27 am : link
especially with the almost year off and no training game. Kellen Moore called a nice game. One thing I noticed is that Zeke seems to have lost power. Martin was out and he is their best run blocking lineman.

Throwing 45-50 times a game is a lot of pressure on Dak. The good thing is if healthy the Giants match up well and you can see why they added the defensive pieces they did. Dallas will get their yards but the key is to make them kick field goals and get a turnover over or two.

Dallas is a team the Giants can beat. Most knew they had the chance to be a very good offense and a big question is whether the OL would stay healthy. Let's see how Martin recovers from Covid.
RE: RE: QBRs are in from last night's game...  
truebluelarry : 9/10/2021 7:36 am : link
In comment 15358004 Big Blue '56 said:
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Brady: 65.3
Dak: 74.3

For the uninformed, the higher the better. Hmmmmm.



Dak, 6.9 YPA..What is the so-called acceptable standard for ypa? Asking for a friend..


6.8-6.9ypa is considered average.
Above 7.0ypa is considered very good.
I thought  
Boatie Warrant : 9/10/2021 7:45 am : link
The Dallas offense looked really good most of the game. Their Defense was just ok but did do a great job capitalizing on TB mistakes.

TB looked like they thought they were going to have it easy and their defense was decent but blitzed way too much. Vea is a beast. Without his effort TB loses that game.

It is going to be interesting to see how our offense does against Dallas' defense and how our run game fares verses their fast LBers.

RE: I didn't read through this but  
M.S. : 9/10/2021 7:45 am : link
In comment 15358002 GiantsRage2007 said:
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My takeaway is Dallas is going to score a ton, and be a problem for us this yr... even though their coach hamstrings them kicking fg and punting on 4th downs.

Dallas is going to be a big problem, starting with their offense led by Dak Prescott. Our secondary, however, is better than the Bucs'. By far. But if our offense does not make a significant step up, we're 0-2 against Dallas in 2021.
RE: QBRs are in from last night's game...  
GNewGiants : 9/10/2021 7:57 am : link
In comment 15357986 bw in dc said:
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Brady: 65.3
Dak: 74.3

For the uninformed, the higher the better. Hmmmmm.


Brady 31 points
Dak 29 points

For those who are uniformed, the higher the better.
Unlike Giants punter  
M.S. : 9/10/2021 7:59 am : link

Dallas' Bryan Anger is a real weapon who can change field position real fast.
RE: RE: QBRs are in from last night's game...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2021 7:59 am : link
In comment 15358004 Big Blue '56 said:
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Brady: 65.3
Dak: 74.3

For the uninformed, the higher the better. Hmmmmm.



Dak, 6.9 YPA..What is the so-called acceptable standard for ypa? Asking for a friend..


Ideally, I think you need to be 7.5+.

I don't know what Dak's A/YA was last night yet. That incorporates TDs and INTs.

But when you throw 58X versus running the ball only 18X (and Dak has three of those), I don't know what is an acceptable YPA when you get to passing attempts that high. Essentially, Dallas used a lot of underneath stuff as their running game.
Dallas looked good last night  
bc4life : 9/10/2021 8:02 am : link
Defense much improved.
RE: RE: RE: QBRs are in from last night's game...  
GNewGiants : 9/10/2021 8:02 am : link
In comment 15358012 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15357986 bw in dc said:


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Brady: 65.3
Dak: 74.3

For the uninformed, the higher the better. Hmmmmm.



Dak, 6.9 YPA..What is the so-called acceptable standard for ypa? Asking for a friend..



Ideally, I think you need to be 7.5+.

I don't know what Dak's A/YA was last night yet. That incorporates TDs and INTs.

But when you throw 58X versus running the ball only 18X (and Dak has three of those), I don't know what is an acceptable YPA when you get to passing attempts that high. Essentially, Dallas used a lot of underneath stuff as their running game.


Which is why using YPA and QBR is a flawed way of looking at things because the QB actually has the simple job of making a quick throw - its up to the RB or WR to get the yards to extend the plays.
RE: Dallas looked good last night  
GNewGiants : 9/10/2021 8:04 am : link
In comment 15358016 bc4life said:
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Defense much improved.


What looked good? TB had guys running around open all night. If not for TB dropping TDs, fumbling at the 5, dropping passes for INTs - its not even a game.
RE: RE: Dallas looked good last night  
BigBlueJ : 9/10/2021 8:07 am : link
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Defense much improved.



What looked good? TB had guys running around open all night. If not for TB dropping TDs, fumbling at the 5, dropping passes for INTs - its not even a game.



JHC defense looked improved??? It should have been 41 points if not for Goodwin and Fornette.
RE: RE: RE: Dallas looked good last night  
BigBlueJ : 9/10/2021 8:09 am : link
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Defense much improved.



What looked good? TB had guys running around open all night. If not for TB dropping TDs, fumbling at the 5, dropping passes for INTs - its not even a game.




JHC defense looked improved??? It should have been 41 points if not for Goodwin and Fornette.


But hey I love all the over hype reaction. Just like Steven A would say the bigger the setup the bigger the fall for Dallas. They look liked the same exact team, A high volume QB that will get a lot of empty calories but will fall short just like Romo. And that Defense is garbage...
RE: Dallas looked good last night  
nygiants16 : 9/10/2021 8:11 am : link
In comment 15358016 bc4life said:
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Defense much improved.


Defense looked awful again, they did the same thing as theybdid last year, gave up a ton of yards, They turned people over last year as well..

They had 4 takeaways and still have up 31 points
Dak had a very good game last night. Stop looking for reasons  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2021 8:16 am : link
to discount his play because of a particular stat that you want to give somebody crap about, or because you are indirectly (indirectly) trying to defend Daniel Jones from his critics.

Watch the game with your eyes and assess Dak's play. He was tough, accurate, decisive, productive from start to finish and, most importantly, he put his team ahead with a minute to go in the game. If you look at him objectively, its near impossible to say he didn't play very good last night and is one of the top QBs in the league.

You would need to be chucklehead to suggest otherwise...
It's very hard to separate play of the QB  
UberAlias : 9/10/2021 8:19 am : link
From the talent around him. Both QBs last night play in offenses that are loaded with talent.
Dak / Cowboys  
stretch234 : 9/10/2021 8:19 am : link
Wherever people want to rank Dak and what they think of him is similar to when Romo was there. Dallas is going to be a major pain in the ass to deal with offensively and they are going score points

The Giants are not going to beat Dallas scoring 20-24 points.

As they showed last night though, it is difficult settling for FG's and winning

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