Andrew Thomas - sick during pats preseason game

It's football.From the sound of it, I'm guessing most of you never played.

And has been doing a really good job getting some decent stories as of late so I'll take his word on this.

With that being said I find it odd that with the combination of covid and a coaching staff that's been so cautious with injured players that they'd let him go through a whole week that sick without resting.

This can explain why he got a random day off the next week, possibly his body never full recovered?

would have played Thomas so much if his health was such a detriment to his performance and thus put others on the field (Jones) at risk for injury

I don't know about that. Linemen are historically tough to the point of recklessness. They will play sick and hurt if you let them.

In comment 15358366 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I don't know about that. Linemen are historically tough to the point of recklessness. They will play sick and hurt if you let them.

tell that to Eric Moore

In comment 15358351 UberAlias said:

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It's football.From the sound of it, I'm guessing most of you never played.

Or didn't play on teams that were very stupid.

like a rock the other games we saw him in.

HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING FROM THE PANDEMIC?!?

Its a PRESEASON game. A practice. Period. Should have been end of story. BUT....of course with the game being nationally televised and most people seeming to just be searching for anything to criticize the Giants about (DG and Judge aint what you would call popular outside of, and in many cases, inside NY), social media had to blow it up sky high. The ONLY thing that matters is his play from Sunday through the rest of the seasons. Thats it...thats all that matters. People want to blow up on Sunday night after he gives up sacks..fine....but to do it after a f'ing preseason game is just nuts.

when Von Miller runs around him, and Bradley Chubb runs through him

Just prove it on the field. Feel better? Good. Play better

You guys do realize that Miller hasn't played since 2019 and is now 32. Chubb had ankle surgery, barely practiced all summer, just got in a limited practice yesterday and to top it off was arrested this week! Lets play the game and see what happens.

Von Miller is coming on Sunday, so we'll see.

OT and a big part of the turnaround. I have no issue with Judge playing him. He is building a culture of accountability and toughness.

Good article. Seems to have a great family and his mentor sounds like he has had a huge impact. Let's hope his HOF prediction comes to fruition.

Ugh, cannot afford to botch another high OL pick. I’m still hopeful, but this is not good.
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In comment 15358322 GNewGiants said:

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In comment 15358302 Greg from LI said: Quote: That just seems weird to me He probably had the case of the shits and his trainer/agent are blowing it up to be something else. Here's what I know. Sunday is the real deal. If he can keep Chubb and Miller away from Jones - I dont give a shit about a preseason game. If he struggles, it will be a long year.

So if he struggles against the league best in week 1 it's going to be a long year? Sample size 1 means little in stats.

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Ugh, cannot afford to botch another high OL pick. I’m still hopeful, but this is not good. Link - ( New Window )

That is concerning. Schwartz is well connected with the Giants and I do not consider him someone to make things up.

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Ugh, cannot afford to botch another high OL pick. I’m still hopeful, but this is not good. Link - ( New Window )

We drafted that guy over Herbert, Lamb, and Wirfs...

Living in Dallas have no idea if this guy is reliable??

In comment 15358429 Rick in Dallas said:

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Living in Dallas have no idea if this guy is reliable??

Yes. He's steady and honest.

In comment 15358429 Rick in Dallas said:

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Living in Dallas have no idea if this guy is reliable??

He is not Pat Leonard and he is not going to make anything up.

This would be a monumental miss if we did. I mean we have drafted 2,4,6 and those picks all of huge question marks from ability to position to injury etc etc. We need those guys to be cornerstones by Years 2,3, and 4 of their respective careers, not ? marks. It is going to get ugly around here if these guys don't produce this year and rightly so.

In comment 15358411 Sean said:

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Ugh, cannot afford to botch another high OL pick. I’m still hopeful, but this is not good. Link - ( New Window )

This is really concerning. Schwartz says they thought he could step in be good - did they again select a 'high floor' player, misjudge the floor, and miss out on superior prospects? I'm hopeful on Thomas, but the initial analysis on him seemed to be wrong.

He needs to play like what he was drafted to be, meaning he has to be more like Trent Williams or Tyron Smith and less like Ereck Flowers or Nate Solder. Let's see it now, period

As a Giants fan of course I want him to be great but my confidence in him is growing very thin.

At some point, the player personnel department will need to be overhauled. You can’t keep botching top 10 draft picks and just shuffle deck chairs around.

There was a very vocal group of posters here who hated Reese, but he still invested in the OL. What is different with Gettleman? It feels all the same to me.

In comment 15358443 Sean said:

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At some point, the player personnel department will need to be overhauled. You can’t keep botching top 10 draft picks and just shuffle deck chairs around. There was a very vocal group of posters here who hated Reese, but he still invested in the OL. What is different with Gettleman? It feels all the same to me.

I think Judge was very much in agreement on this pick and he may have very well been someone who pushed it.

I mean real substantive changes at the GM level, college scouting department and pro personnel department.I just don’t think it’s in his DNA. That’s what really frustrates me about this current mess.
If true about internal concerns with respect to Thomas ability some of this rests with Judge inability to assess his talent correctly not only DG.

He has strong ties to the Georgia program, but he never coached a game at that point and was only with the Giants for 3.5 months. I’m sure he was in agreement, but doubt he was the deciding factor.

In comment 15358315 Mike from Ohio said:

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out there to get run over and around and risked getting your QB blindsided in a game that means nothing? I doubt this is true, and if it is Judge has some explaining to do, because that is reckless and stupid.

This

In comment 15358458 Bill in UT said:

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In comment 15358315 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: out there to get run over and around and risked getting your QB blindsided in a game that means nothing? I doubt this is true, and if it is Judge has some explaining to do, because that is reckless and stupid. This

And where in this narrative does taping the ankle during the game fit in?

coach putting these guys through a workout. With Covid, this was not the case.

Some of the draft guys said Thomas was sloppy with his footwork.

Columbo tried to change his footwork. Maybe Sale is trying to. Perhaps he may just be someone who it may look ugly but he gets the job done his own way.

John Mara would have to fire his brother and his nephew. I'm doubtful that happens in my lifetime. Hopefully you guys are about 30 years younger. I'm almost 70.

Chris Mara is the Senior Vice President of Player Personnel and his nephew Tim McDonnell was just promoted to Co Director of Player Personnel after two years as Assistant Director of Player Personnel. Some people think Tim McDonnell, Susan Mara's son (she's the 2nd oldest of the Mara owners, John is the oldest), is next in line to be CEO of the Giants when John steps away. I doubt they're going anywhere.

The Giants did hire Kyle O’Brien, most recently with the Lions for 4 years and before that with Jacksonville, as a senior personnel executive in college scouting. Supposedly he was heavily involved in the Giants’ pre-draft process. The Giants created a position for him. He did not replace anyone.

It has happened before with guys like Greg Robinson and Robert Gallery. Brandon Scherff was the 5th pick and he would up playing guard.

Hopefully Thomas develops into a very good OT. That is what he was drafted to be almost right away. So far not yet.

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and was sick all week, why was he in the field? There’s a point where gutting it out becomes foolish.

Can't win either way, eh?

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In comment 15358351 UberAlias said: Quote: It's football.From the sound of it, I'm guessing most of you never played. Or didn't play on teams that were very stupid.

Care to explain?

In comment 15358486 arniefez said:

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Brandon Scherff was the 5th pick and he would up playing guard. Hopefully Thomas develops into a very good OT. That is what he was drafted to be almost right away. So far not yet.

Scherff was always expected to play guard in the NFL. There were reports that he could play OT but he was a much better prospect inside.

they got their pick of the litter in a very strong OL draft and one of the features of picking OL high is their relatively lower bust rate. Schwartz is usually pretty solid so if accurate that's one of the more concerning things i've seen written this preseason (if not the most concerning).

but QB draft picks bust all the time. The odds are way against any QB first round pick. they aren't nearly as bad for top OL.

it would obviously be far worse in terms of on the field results for a QB to be a bust over any other position.

An above average yet unexciting player. That’s how sure a pick I thought he was. If he is a below average LT, that is f******g catastrophic, because we may well be starting a new QB clock this offseason and need a solid OL to relaunch and do it right this time.

And I don’t buy the “I was sick” line. Either it is a (false) line or Judge backed himself into a mistake where Thomas had to play because he hadn’t seen any action yet in the preseason. That something like this was going during a goddamn preseason game points to management failure.

In comment 15358520 Eric on Li said:

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they got their pick of the litter in a very strong OL draft and one of the features of picking OL high is their relatively lower bust rate. Schwartz is usually pretty solid so if accurate that's one of the more concerning things i've seen written this preseason (if not the most concerning).

indeed...

You were clear. I’m 100% with you.

In comment 15358343 GNewGiants said:

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In comment 15358334 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 15358322 GNewGiants said: Quote: In comment 15358302 Greg from LI said: Quote: That just seems weird to me He probably had the case of the shits and his trainer/agent are blowing it up to be something else. Here's what I know. Sunday is the real deal. If he can keep Chubb and Miller away from Jones - I dont give a shit about a preseason game. If he struggles, it will be a long year. If he struggles in this game it will be a long year? This is one of the reasons why it is healthier to take most of the regular season off from BBI.. Yes, if Thomas doesnt play well - its gonna be a long year and it starts with game 1. I am not saying he needs to be Joe Thomas - but he needs to give us something to believe in.

He may have believed the back up options were worse and so he tried to go.

And think it’s either bullshit or it casts Judge in a bad light. Pick one, This is a preseason game.

ouch, not shocked if true but tend to think this could be a hard push to motivate him, which sucks on its own.

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You guys do realize that Miller hasn't played since 2019 and is now 32. Chubb had ankle surgery, barely practiced all summer, just got in a limited practice yesterday and to top it off was arrested this week! Lets play the game and see what happens.

... that means he's well rested?

Von Miller is Von Miller until proven otherwise - which I hope somehow Thomas is able to

last night was tough. He's a stud RT and had all the size, athleticism and character the Giants look for.

Hopefully they aren't overvaluing Georgia and Alabama connections.

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ouch, not shocked if true but tend to think this could be a hard push to motivate him, which sucks on its own.

Normally I would agree as Schwartz would be someone the Giants would use for this. I don't recall anywhere where attitude or work ethic has been a issue but who knows. Maybe a little too much drum playing.

In comment 15358419 Zeke's Alibi said:

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So if he struggles against the league best in week 1 it's going to be a long year? Sample size 1 means little in stats.

Sample size aside, he was the number 4 pick in the draft. I can buy this as a rookie. I wasn't concerned when he got lit up by Bud Dupree last year, but "he's going against the league's best" can't be the explanation when you're a top 5 pick. You're telling the world you think this guy is going to be among the league's best.

In comment 15358585 mittenedman said:

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last night was tough. He's a stud RT and had all the size, athleticism and character the Giants look for. Hopefully they aren't overvaluing Georgia and Alabama connections.

According to the asshats it was between Wirfs and AT, but do you take a good LT over a very good RT? That's the debate they had in house.

AT looked very solid in preseason before the Pats game, people need to chill, especially after this report.

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In comment 15358406 Walker Gillette said: Quote: You guys do realize that Miller hasn't played since 2019 and is now 32. Chubb had ankle surgery, barely practiced all summer, just got in a limited practice yesterday and to top it off was arrested this week! Lets play the game and see what happens. ... that means he's well rested? Von Miller is Von Miller until proven otherwise - which I hope somehow Thomas is able to

Same thing goes for Saquon, Golladay and Rudolph!

In comment 15358602 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 15358419 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: So if he struggles against the league best in week 1 it's going to be a long year? Sample size 1 means little in stats. Sample size aside, he was the number 4 pick in the draft. I can buy this as a rookie. I wasn't concerned when he got lit up by Bud Dupree last year, but "he's going against the league's best" can't be the explanation when you're a top 5 pick. You're telling the world you think this guy is going to be among the league's best.

Right, but people have wild expectations of what they think struggling is. The fans here zero in on the negatives with the Giants players, but not other players. Just look at how one poor throw is diagnosed from DJ ad naesuem. I watched Dak make like 8 of those yesterday (tbf he did throw the ball 50 times or whatever it was)

They think good LTs go out and stonewall guys play after play after play. That's what ELITE LTs do. Go look at the history of the top 10, most these guys don't turn out to be Elite and many are straight up busts. If he gives up a sack with minimal pressures Sunday, whatever. If he's giving up pressures left and right, that will be concerning.