Dak Prescott's Ability to Throw +15 yards

question his ability..I think you need to credit an excellent Bucs defense. To me it was more of the game plan against one of the best teams that defend the middle of the field.

he be just another QB on just another team.

In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them?

Stats on undisputed that all of his passes where basically under 10 yards and that he is going to continue to get cat scans every 2 weeks for 'reasons'.

a little funny at times. I also noticed a few times he was not using his lower body a few times. He has not played in a long time but I think it is something coordinators will look at and try to make him throw certain routes.

In comment 15358365 Victor in CT said:

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he be just another QB on just another team. In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them?

I wouldn't agree with that. Average QBs don't dole it out like he did last night.

That being said, his velocity and placement on throws beyond 15 yards reminded me of a rich man's Chad Pennington.

And he has guts. He's a good QB in a great situation.

deeper throws certainly lacked zip and had a bit of wobble, but his accuracy and timing are impeccable. Against a better defensive backfield I think he will struggle as we saw probably 3 throws that could have been INTs. Also he has the benefit of one of the better OLs in the league, especially when Martin returns.

In comment 15358365 Victor in CT said:

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he be just another QB on just another team. In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them?

Only on BBI does a QB who completes 72% of his passes for 400 yards and 3 TDs against one of the top defenses in the league - with none of it being 'garbage time' - get called overrated.

If Daniel Jones played that game last night, this site would be littered with people putting him in the MVP conversation.

If anything he’s underrated. He’s no legend but he’s a good qb who is clean off the field. Does everything you could ask for on and off the field. Some fakes are ridiculous like the one I heard this morning that he could do what Brady does for Tampa and the bucs still win the title last year, that’s impossible to prove and unfair to Brady or any other title winning qb. But dak is nonetheless a damn good qb. I just hate all the sensationalistic takes.

In comment 15358389 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 15358365 Victor in CT said: Quote: he be just another QB on just another team. In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them? Only on BBI does a QB who completes 72% of his passes for 400 yards and 3 TDs against one of the top defenses in the league - with none of it being 'garbage time' - get called overrated. If Daniel Jones played that game last night, this site would be littered with people putting him in the MVP conversation.

Dude the Bucs secondary isn't good and lost a starting corner. He has tremendous weapons (although Gallup went out soon after the Bucs lost their starting corner).

The Bucs defense is good, but all Bowles knows how to do is blitz, and when you are going up against Amari Cooper and Ceedee Lamb, that's a recipe for disaster.

Dak is a good QB, but the real question is can he get it done against the league's best defenses because the Cowboys are so heavily invested on the offensive side of the ball they SHOULD score lots of points.

In comment 15358389 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 15358365 Victor in CT said: Quote: he be just another QB on just another team. In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them? Only on BBI does a QB who completes 72% of his passes for 400 yards and 3 TDs against one of the top defenses in the league - with none of it being 'garbage time' - get called overrated. If Daniel Jones played that game last night, this site would be littered with people putting him in the MVP conversation.

If Jones did that people would be bitching about him only being good at dink and dunk. You've already heard it about YPA. Daks was like 6.9 which was roughly the same as Jones in his last preseason game, and was held up as crap.

I thought the game plan for Dallas was pass first. This is why they only had 18 rushes. With Tampa being #1 against the run, I thought it was smart.

When they did pass, they were concentrating throwing the intermediate pass. Not drinking and dunking or stretching the field.

They executed the game plan well, but their kicking game left points on the field which turned out to be the difference in the game.

In comment 15358389 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 15358365 Victor in CT said: Quote: he be just another QB on just another team. In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them? Only on BBI does a QB who completes 72% of his passes for 400 yards and 3 TDs against one of the top defenses in the league - with none of it being 'garbage time' - get called overrated. If Daniel Jones played that game last night, this site would be littered with people putting him in the MVP conversation.

It really is ridiculous isn't it? Daniel Jones doesn't have five NFL games as good as Dak's last night and people are shitting on Prescott left and right after his first start after 11 months and a gruesome injury.

He was very accurate which was a great sign.
He anticipated and read defenses - another great sign.

However, he did lack some zip. It didnt matter last night since the game plan called for intermediate to short routes, but teams will adjust to that and then we need to see Dak adjust.

You dont need a howlitzer to make every throw, but his arm strength seemed to regress.

for some people to give kudos to a team we all hate. If they can't admit Dak's performance last night was impressive I can do nothing but respect how much they truly hate Dallas.

In comment 15358389 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 15358365 Victor in CT said: Quote: he be just another QB on just another team. In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them? Only on BBI does a QB who completes 72% of his passes for 400 yards and 3 TDs against one of the top defenses in the league - with none of it being 'garbage time' - get called overrated. If Daniel Jones played that game last night, this site would be littered with people putting him in the MVP conversation.

Agree with this take 100%! And it's been true for years.

Most BBIers will make every excuse in the world when a Giants' QB doesn't perform well and then come up with an equally long list of reasons why the other team's QB isn't actually that good.

often. Gotta give KM credit for a great offensive game plan. Dak executed what he was asked to do as good as anyone could have. I don’t like the Cowboys but Dak faced the blitz head on and played very good. I can’t cast shade on it.

Dak has consistently played well with an abundance of talent around him. I wouldn't consider him a system quarterback. I have yet to see him carry a team when the players around him have not been healthy. That isn't a knock, that is just factual. I believe that he has never won a game when Tyron Smith hasn't played. Dallas's offense is stacked and I include Dak in that definition. I don't think Martin coming back is a layup as large men suffer more than smaller players with Covid. I also don't expect Tyron to stay healthy based on history. This argument related to Dak will continue because of all of this.

I thought he made some great throws down the field (his interception was one) but I didn't see a whole lot of pressure until the end on him.

I do find it bizarre that he put the ball up close to 60 times with a shoulder issue.

From a NYG fan, we would be thrilled if this guy was our starting QB. He’s athletic, accurate and as tough as they come. It’s amazing how we criticize him after last nights performance. Unreal

Dak puts over 400 yards and 3 Td's against the world champs in their house on opening day. This with no running game and not a snap all preseason. So the story we want to tell ourselves is what, is arm is weak? WTF

We compare stats etc. but unless you are breaking it down to the level of throws under pressure (and you can even get more granular than that as not all pressure is the same) or passes into tight windows when the receiver fails to get separation vs. hitting the open receiver, most of our measures are going to be HIGHLY influenced by the talent around the QB.

all his hard work is paying off. He looked great a year ago too, before the ankle. He's developing into a real professional NFL QB, unfortunately.

His long arm did look a bit odd last night, at the same time. Perhaps it's the lat injury. Did he have a shoulder too? I forget.

In comment 15358453 JonC said:

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all his hard work is paying off. He looked great a year ago too, before the ankle. He's developing into a real professional NFL QB, unfortunately. His long arm did look a bit odd last night, at the same time. Perhaps it's the lat injury. Did he have a shoulder too? I forget.

He had a lat injury. He was fucking around throwing hail marys before warming up in practice.

I agree Dak looks good, but the real question is can he get it done against some of the leagues better defenses? They have so much talent on the offensive side of the ball, he should be putting up stats on a weekly basis. He's going to need to prove he can outduel teams or getting it done against good defenses. The Bucs front 7 is fierce, but their secondary is trash and why he only had 6.9 ypa on a billion attempts. They just wanted to get the ball out to their WRs and let them do their thing.

In comment 15358437 JerseyCityJoe said:

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Dak puts over 400 yards and 3 Td's against the world champs in their house on opening day. This with no running game and not a snap all preseason. So the story we want to tell ourselves is what, is arm is weak? WTF

Multiple dropped INT's and only took 600 attempts.

In comment 15358394 djm said:

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If anything he’s underrated. He’s no legend but he’s a good qb who is clean off the field. Does everything you could ask for on and off the field. Some fakes are ridiculous like the one I heard this morning that he could do what Brady does for Tampa and the bucs still win the title last year, that’s impossible to prove and unfair to Brady or any other title winning qb. But dak is nonetheless a damn good qb. I just hate all the sensationalistic takes.

I agree. He is definitely top tier QB in the league at this point, no question.

In comment 15358453 JonC said:

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all his hard work is paying off. He looked great a year ago too, before the ankle. He's developing into a real professional NFL QB, unfortunately. His long arm did look a bit odd last night, at the same time. Perhaps it's the lat injury. Did he have a shoulder too? I forget.

I didn't even know about the lat, I thought it was a shoulder "strain" like he threw out his arm or something. And that brought on whispers of rotator cuff. I could be misremembering though. I thought he looked outstanding last night, against a damn good defense... it was very discouraging... lol

In comment 15358437 JerseyCityJoe said:

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Dak puts over 400 yards and 3 Td's against the world champs in their house on opening day. This with no running game and not a snap all preseason. So the story we want to tell ourselves is what, is arm is weak? WTF

LOL

In comment 15358401 rsjem1979 said:

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In comment 15358389 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: In comment 15358365 Victor in CT said: Quote: he be just another QB on just another team. In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them? Only on BBI does a QB who completes 72% of his passes for 400 yards and 3 TDs against one of the top defenses in the league - with none of it being 'garbage time' - get called overrated. If Daniel Jones played that game last night, this site would be littered with people putting him in the MVP conversation. It really is ridiculous isn't it? Daniel Jones doesn't have five NFL games as good as Dak's last night and people are shitting on Prescott left and right after his first start after 11 months and a gruesome injury.

Jones has this at least: First rookie to have three games with four touchdown passes and no interceptions.

We don't know what Jones would look like on the offense. It's hard to compare the two head to head if you can't let them both play on the others' team.

Having said that, Dak looked the part last night.

In comment 15358384 rnargi said:

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And he has guts. He's a good QB in a great situation.

Exactly this.

Jones haters. After this year for Jones? Ok maybe a different story. But I'm on the can we wait and see first. As far as Dak he can play QB on my team any day.

and whether he played really well last night is an IQ Test for the members of this board today.

Early grading shows there will need to be curve to get posters through this class...

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Jones has this at least: First rookie to have three games with four touchdown passes and no interceptions.

Those games were so fantastic they've made people forget about the other 23 he's played.

if Daniel Jones plays like Dak Presoctt did last night, I'd be more than happy.

In comment 15358600 Jimmy Googs said:

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and whether he played really well last night is an IQ Test for the members of this board today. Early grading shows there will need to be curve to get posters through this class...

What's very good? I think he's good, but he needs to prove he can actually win shootouts or get it done against the best defenses in the league because the offense is stacked. He should be putting up crazy stats. I've seen people harp on his 400 yards, yeh it came on a billion attempts for 6.9 ypa. That isn't good. If the Bucs secondary was any good he would have had a ton of picks. He also missed on easy TD to Zeke in the flat in the redzone on a rollout. No pressure in his face and Zeke was wide open. He just held the ball too long.

I noticed some fans here hold DJ to some ridiculous standard that they don't to other QBs because they don't like the results. Well if you put Dak in our offense last year you are getting similar results statistically from the QB.

People on this board really have no clue how to evaluate QB play, they just evaluate how the offense is doing and pin it entirely on the QB. Same story for decades, but football is the ultimate team sport. Wait until you see Stafford by the end of the year and he gets more comfortable in the offense. All the people dunking on him are out their minds (of course they are playing with fire with their OL but when Stafford wins with the Rams at 32 it goes to show you its about the supporting cast as well)

In comment 15358619 Gruber said:

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if Daniel Jones plays like Dak Presoctt did last night, I'd be more than happy.

Daniel Jones has already played like Dak last night, he just doesn't have even close to the same supporting cast. This year is a bit different, but their offense as a whole is still better than ours because their line is so much better.

Dak's jock all night. It was an average game, if that was the only body of work you had to judge I dont think you would say it was great. He threw it a ton but also had time in the pocket for the most part. I did think he struggled fon the longer throws and there were a few that were downright ugly.

Dak is what he is, a middle of the pack guy. Nothing from last night showed elite. He has a good OL and excellent receivers. They didnt get the ball in the endzone when they needed to. He also ran backwards on a 3rd down and got sacked pushng them further back and clock management on their last drive was poor, you cant leave Tom Brady that much time. I also didnt like how he was saying he played well. Your team lost, your performance really doesnt matter.

In comment 15358389 Mike from Ohio said:

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If Daniel Jones played that game last night, this site would be littered with people putting him in the MVP conversation.

and just as many people saying that we need a new QB

In comment 15358621 Zeke's Alibi said:

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People on this board really have no clue how to evaluate QB play, they just evaluate how the offense is doing and pin it entirely on the QB. Same story for decades, but football is the ultimate team sport. Wait until you see Stafford by the end of the year and he gets more comfortable in the offense. All the people dunking on him are out their minds (of course they are playing with fire with their OL but when Stafford wins with the Rams at 32 it goes to show you its about the supporting cast as well)

Stafford has been legitimately good, regardless of his supporting cast, for like a decade. The wins aren't there, but that's not how you evaluate a QB either.

In my view there is only a small handful of "elite/great" QBs playing in the NFL today.

And then there is a somewhat larger group of QBs that are "very good" meaning they have shown themselves to very talented, productive players that have not proven yet they can succeed in a playoff atmosphere.

Then there is everybody else.

Continue ranting...

of a situation that a rookie QB could start with. The Cowboys built a elite OL to go with a HOF TE and elite RB.

To his credit he has gotten better and better. He now is going to have to carry that team and with a injury prone OL and a running back that seems to have lost some power/speed.

The Cowboys may be a nice team in the regular season but I think they continue to falter as they are flawed. The Giants match up well with them and we can beat them.....twice imo.

In comment 15358626 Rudy5757 said:

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Dak's jock all night. It was an average game, if that was the only body of work you had to judge I dont think you would say it was great. He threw it a ton but also had time in the pocket for the most part. I did think he struggled fon the longer throws and there were a few that were downright ugly. Dak is what he is, a middle of the pack guy. Nothing from last night showed elite. He has a good OL and excellent receivers. They didnt get the ball in the endzone when they needed to. He also ran backwards on a 3rd down and got sacked pushng them further back and clock management on their last drive was poor, you cant leave Tom Brady that much time. I also didnt like how he was saying he played well. Your team lost, your performance really doesnt matter.

Oh my. I don't even know where to start here...

seems odd to me.

In comment 15358633 Jimmy Googs said:

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In my view there is only a small handful of "elite/great" QBs playing in the NFL today. And then there is a somewhat larger group of QBs that are "very good" meaning they have shown themselves to very talented, productive players that have not proven yet they can succeed in a playoff atmosphere. Then there is everybody else. Continue ranting...

So very good is what top 12 QB? What was silly about the "rant"?

and then theres a large bucket of very good, what's the next step good, and then mediocre and then bad? Mediocre in your definition would be bottom third of the Qbs at that point, which isn't the definition of the word. Words, they have meaning you know.

In comment 15358365 Victor in CT said:

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he be just another QB on just another team. In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them?

Maybe the Tampa pass defense is overrated? Never mind, it's been one whole game of a 17 game season. Dak is phenomenal. Dak is great. I love him.

20 yards downfield it will show on film and everyone will take away the short stuff.

We'll see.

If people look at a stat line and judge a players performance - they can be severely fooled. If Dak Prescott were playing Denver this weekend for the NYG - I would put up a few bills that 330 yards and 3 TDs would not be in his future.

A lot of QBs in the league could have QB'd the Cowboys last night and put up similar or better numbers. Guys were open all night and the protection was really good. Credit to Dak for making the throws, but lets not act like it was something he has done his whole career and something that will be the norm for the future.

admittedly, the fact he is the Cowboys' QB factors into that. My opinion of him (from a skills perspective)he is somewhere in the middle of the pack. However, I also believe he is a smart QB, and given the time he usually makes good decisions. And playing behind the Dallas OL is a big benefit, because they frequently give him and the receivers the time to make things happen.

Would he have had similar success (and the big contract) had he played behind the Giants' OLs of the last several years?

In comment 15358373 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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a little funny at times. I also noticed a few times he was not using his lower body a few times. He has not played in a long time but I think it is something coordinators will look at and try to make him throw certain routes.

There was an article posted during the preseason, that he was having to alter his throwing motion because of his injury issues.

In comment 15358666 Regular Coffee said:

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In comment 15358365 Victor in CT said: Quote: he be just another QB on just another team. In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them? Maybe the Tampa pass defense is overrated? Never mind, it's been one whole game of a 17 game season. Dak is phenomenal. Dak is great. I love him.

Are there adults who really can’t acknowledge that a guy who plays for a rival is good?

Admitting Prescott is a good QB does not mean you are rooting for him or you are a Cowboys fan. It means you can evaluate information objectively.