Before I digress, Dak played an excellent game. From his ball placement to his ability to stand in the pocket while getting pummeled he looked excellent.
However, is it just me or did it look like Dak couldn't throw with any accuracy or any zip past the 15-20?
Again, maybe it was just the wine talking. But by the end of the first quarter, I had zero confidence the man could stretch the field.
Those near-missed interceptions and inability to give his kicker better field positioning in the clutch seemed to confirm that for me.
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In my view there is only a small handful of "elite/great" QBs playing in the NFL today.
And then there is a somewhat larger group of QBs that are "very good" meaning they have shown themselves to very talented, productive players that have not proven yet they can succeed in a playoff atmosphere.
Then there is everybody else.
Continue ranting...
So very good is what top 12 QB? What was silly about the "rant"?
I would say elite are Top 3 guys or so. Very Good is probably 4 thru 10. The rest is just a bunch of guys that hover just above and below the Average line depending on the year.
Why?
A lot of QBs in the league could have QB'd the Cowboys last night and put up similar or better numbers. Guys were open all night and the protection was really good. Credit to Dak for making the throws, but lets not act like it was something he has done his whole career and something that will be the norm for the future.
Dak should reasonably be in the Top 10.
Give me all the guys that are above him then...
A lot of QBs in the league could have QB'd the Cowboys last night and put up similar or better numbers. Guys were open all night and the protection was really good. Credit to Dak for making the throws, but lets not act like it was something he has done his whole career and something that will be the norm for the future.
In Dak's 70 career games:
400+ yards passing: 8
3+ TDs: 19
QB Rating 100+: 35
Comp% 70+: 23
Just because Jones stinks doesn't mean you have to tear down another team's QB despite all evidence to the contrary.
I think some fans take praise for players other than Giants as a personal insult, as they do criticism directed at the team,
Paul Dottino would be in this category
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If people look at a stat line and judge a players performance - they can be severely fooled. If Dak Prescott were playing Denver this weekend for the NYG - I would put up a few bills that 330 yards and 3 TDs would not be in his future.
A lot of QBs in the league could have QB'd the Cowboys last night and put up similar or better numbers. Guys were open all night and the protection was really good. Credit to Dak for making the throws, but lets not act like it was something he has done his whole career and something that will be the norm for the future.
Dak should reasonably be in the Top 10.
Give me all the guys that are above him then...
No order…
Mahomes
Brady
Rodgers
Murray
Jackson
Herbert
Wilson
Allen
Stafford
Those are my top 9. I’d probably put Tannehill 10. But you have guys like Cousins, Mayfield, Ryan, Dak, Big Ben (well not anymore - I think he’s cooked). So if you took Dak over Tannehill- I wouldn’t argue much. I think there’s like 5-6 guys you could argue for the 10th spot.
Of course if Watson were playing, he would be in my top 10 but I didn’t include him.
Murray and Herbert have lots of nice tools but have accomplished even less than Dak at this point in the non-fantasy world Stafford also goes behind Dak.
Agree with that other slug of names that are outside the top 10 and probably mentioned in the next grouping...
Murray and Herbert have lots of nice tools but have accomplished even less than Dak at this point in the non-fantasy world Stafford also goes behind Dak.
Agree with that other slug of names that are outside the top 10 and probably mentioned in the next grouping...
I’m pretty bias when it comes to Stafford - I’m a huge fan. I think he’s actually the toughest QB in the league. I think if he were the Rams QBs in the SB - they win. So my judgement may be clouded there. I think Stafford will have a monster year.
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have Dak in the Top 10, probably around 8.
Murray and Herbert have lots of nice tools but have accomplished even less than Dak at this point in the non-fantasy world Stafford also goes behind Dak.
Agree with that other slug of names that are outside the top 10 and probably mentioned in the next grouping...
I’m pretty bias when it comes to Stafford - I’m a huge fan. I think he’s actually the toughest QB in the league. I think if he were the Rams QBs in the SB - they win. So my judgement may be clouded there. I think Stafford will have a monster year.
Georgia Bulldogs!
I like him in that Ram offense too with Kupp and the other guys giving him more reliable weapons than he has had lately. Stafford likes to sling it and is tough as nails as you mentioned.
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have Dak in the Top 10, probably around 8.
Murray and Herbert have lots of nice tools but have accomplished even less than Dak at this point in the non-fantasy world Stafford also goes behind Dak.
Agree with that other slug of names that are outside the top 10 and probably mentioned in the next grouping...
I’m pretty bias when it comes to Stafford - I’m a huge fan. I think he’s actually the toughest QB in the league. I think if he were the Rams QBs in the SB - they win. So my judgement may be clouded there. I think Stafford will have a monster year.
I 100% agree that Stafford QBing the Rams in that SB equates to a Rams win.
In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them?
Wish DJ was that overrated! How about the throw over Godwin's shoulder, which he dropped (tough catch but great throw away from the coverage) ? TD pass to CeeDee? I hate the Cowgirls but Dak was really good last night while getting crushed. Giants' fans gonna hate...nature of the beast.
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he be just another QB on just another team.
In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them?
Wish DJ was that overrated! How about the throw over Godwin's shoulder, which he dropped (tough catch but great throw away from the coverage) ? TD pass to CeeDee? I hate the Cowgirls but Dak was really good last night while getting crushed. Giants' fans gonna hate...nature of the beast.
That pass to Godwin was an amazing throw - brady could never throw it that well to his teammate. And wasn’t Dak sacked only once and hit only a few times?
Jones's situation is the polar opposite. He hasn’t had the weapons nor the OL. After 2 years in our system it is hard to evaluate DJ. Dak has had a great situation but has gotten better for sure. Reading the comment on BBI some have decided that Jones is not our future. I am not a talent evaluator. I do not think you can evaluate talent in a situation where the support has been less than fair.
The ball that bounced off Cee Dee Lamb's hands for an INT was a laser. Dak really stepped into that and threw a pure strike. Lamb should have absolutely caught that.
But Dak played very well in terms of pocket presence, poise, toughness and getting the ball out on time. I think his YPA and AY/A were more a derivative of Dallas using the short passing game as their quasi-running game since they really didn't even try to establish a running game. And if you think about it, it sort of worked at Dallas dominated TOP by nearly 10 minutes.
Dallas absolutely needs to revisit their offensive identity and how the running game applies. But they have a more glaring issue with their defense. I think it's in better hands with Quinn, but they have some real talent deficiencies.
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id take him over Jones right in a nanosecond, he is tough, he can move and he can make every throw BUT it is clear the cowboys are at their best when Elliott is the top guy in the offense. Cowboys simply dont win with Dak throwing 50 times, i dont think Dak loses games for them at all..
Dallas absolutely needs to revisit their offensive identity and how the running game applies. But they have a more glaring issue with their defense. I think it's in better hands with Quinn, but they have some real talent deficiencies.
no argument about their defense when you have 4 takeaways and still give up 31 points you are awful defensively
The volume of posters downplaying Dak’s performance and some even blaming him yesterday was actually surprising and just screamed to the bias that exists with so many on the site. Some so blatant they couldn’t even leave Daniel Jones’ name out of their posts.
The volume of posters downplaying Dak’s performance and some even blaming him yesterday was actually surprising and just screamed to the bias that exists with so many on the site. Some so blatant they couldn’t even leave Daniel Jones’ name out of their posts.
ok so if Jones throws for 300 yards and 3 tds and has 2 near picks, you are not allowed to say good game but he should of had 2 picks..
Downplaying his surrounding cost is the funny thing in this thread - not the other way around.
This. Based on what we’ve seen from our QB’s the past 8 years we’d all do anything to have a QB that could perform anywhere CLOSE to as well as Dak did last night. Any other opinion is simply people deliberately fooling themselves.
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who were basically fortunate they didn’t give up even more points the other evening.
The volume of posters downplaying Dak’s performance and some even blaming him yesterday was actually surprising and just screamed to the bias that exists with so many on the site. Some so blatant they couldn’t even leave Daniel Jones’ name out of their posts.
ok so if Jones throws for 300 yards and 3 tds and has 2 near picks, you are not allowed to say good game but he should of had 2 picks..
Me? I would be ecstatic for him. That’s like a third of his entire production last season in ONE game!
Agreed, it’s not hate. Only ignorance...
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if Daniel Jones plays like Dak Presoctt did last night, I'd be more than happy.
This. Based on what we’ve seen from our QB’s the past 8 years we’d all do anything to have a QB that could perform anywhere CLOSE to as well as Dak did last night. Any other opinion is simply people deliberately fooling themselves.
You don’t watch much football, do you?
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In comment 15358365 Victor in CT said:
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he be just another QB on just another team.
In fact the Cowboys would be just another team. Swap them with the Texans and who would care about them?
Only on BBI does a QB who completes 72% of his passes for 400 yards and 3 TDs against one of the top defenses in the league - with none of it being 'garbage time' - get called overrated.
If Daniel Jones played that game last night, this site would be littered with people putting him in the MVP conversation.
If Jones did that people would be bitching about him only being good at dink and dunk. You've already heard it about YPA. Daks was like 6.9 which was roughly the same as Jones in his last preseason game, and was held up as crap.
If Jones did it behind the Giants OL and unproven receiving corp, he would deserve the accolades.