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QB vs O-Line Debate: A Thought Experiment

M.S. : 9/11/2021 8:47 am

Given a constant set of professional football players at every position, which scenario provides a better outcome for the offense (or, more accurately "less worse" outcome?)

Scenario One: Substitute the entire pro offensive line with 10-year old Pop Warner football players;

Scenario Two: Substitute the pro QB with a 10-Year old Pop Warner football player.

Interested in BBIers thoughts/opinions.

Thanks in advance!
QB/ O line  
Old Blue : 9/11/2021 9:16 am : link
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It depends on the defense they are facing...  
NYRiese : 9/11/2021 9:58 am : link
which brings up the importance of

MATCHUPS!
RE: It depends on the defense they are facing...  
M.S. : 9/11/2021 10:02 am : link
In comment 15359121 NYRiese said:
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which brings up the importance of

MATCHUPS!

Defense is exact same in both scenarios.
replace the qb  
dabru : 9/11/2021 10:12 am : link
he could hand off to a runner or pitch to a thrower
Considering a 10yr  
mushroom : 9/11/2021 10:15 am : link
center couldn't hike the ball fast enough the qb would be getting hit as soon as or before he touched the ball
Replace the Qb  
BlueManCrew : 9/11/2021 10:16 am : link
Run a series of direct snap formations, sweeps and lots of motion. The qb can just stand there and a competent offense would still be able to play. Replace the oline and nothing happens. You couldn’t even reasonably get the ball snapped.
Both would be equally terrible  
BillT : 9/11/2021 10:20 am : link
That seems pretty obvious.
Why on earth would you want to  
Bill in UT : 9/11/2021 10:58 am : link
put a bunch of 10 YOs at risk of serious harm? Are you some kind of psycho?







sorry I feel like I have to explain myself, but j/k
Can honestly state  
joeinpa : 9/11/2021 12:41 pm : link
As screwy as Bbi has become, I could never have imagined a discussion on such a topic
Taking the 10 year old Pop Warner players out of it  
Mike in NY : 9/11/2021 1:01 pm : link
If we were talking about the worst NFL OL with the best NFL QB or the best NFL OL I am taking the best QB.

At the end of the day, especially if the QB is in shotgun it takes a certain amount of time to get to the QB. If you have a Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers who knows how to recognize hot reads and get the ball out quick you can run an offense. A QB can have all day to throw behind a great OL, but if they can't read who is open eventually someone will get to the QB.
RE: Taking the 10 year old Pop Warner players out of it  
M.S. : 9/11/2021 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15359241 Mike in NY said:
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If we were talking about the worst NFL OL with the best NFL QB or the best NFL OL I am taking the best QB.

At the end of the day, especially if the QB is in shotgun it takes a certain amount of time to get to the QB. If you have a Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers who knows how to recognize hot reads and get the ball out quick you can run an offense. A QB can have all day to throw behind a great OL, but if they can't read who is open eventually someone will get to the QB.

Interesting take!

I go the other way.

Two examples: Tom Brady was far from his best when the Giants were pass rushing the hell out of him in two separate Super Bowls.

The most dynamic QB in football looked real bad when Tampa pounded him into submission in last Super Bowl.
RE: RE: Taking the 10 year old Pop Warner players out of it  
Mike in NY : 9/11/2021 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15359251 M.S. said:
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In comment 15359241 Mike in NY said:


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If we were talking about the worst NFL OL with the best NFL QB or the best NFL OL I am taking the best QB.

At the end of the day, especially if the QB is in shotgun it takes a certain amount of time to get to the QB. If you have a Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers who knows how to recognize hot reads and get the ball out quick you can run an offense. A QB can have all day to throw behind a great OL, but if they can't read who is open eventually someone will get to the QB.


Interesting take!

I go the other way.

Two examples: Tom Brady was far from his best when the Giants were pass rushing the hell out of him in two separate Super Bowls.

The most dynamic QB in football looked real bad when Tampa pounded him into submission in last Super Bowl.


I think part of the problem with last Super Bowl is that Andy Reid was a moron with the play calling. Whenever KC decided to run the ball between the tackles they made plays. You don't win in the NFL by running the ball, but Andy Reid needed to do something other than quick hitters to the outside, run to the outside, etc. to keep Tampa's D honest. Tampa's D and the Giants D in the Super Bowls also featured a number of dynamic pass rushers. Not many teams go that deep. If you are facing a team with the Giants current front 7 they would not embarrass the worst OL in the NFL.
The last superbowl  
David B. : 9/11/2021 8:12 pm : link
Mahomes got to feel what it was like to be Eli and Jones for the last 6+ years.

We're always told that the "transcendent QBs" like Mahomes, can do it all themselves. They can takes teams on their backs -- regardless of the circumstances. Non-elite guys like Eli (not my opinion) are just game mangers. They can't do it without a very good surrounding cast.

Well, the last superbowl, I saw Mahomes running for his life the same way Giants QBs have been running for 6+ years. Yeah, PM made some great plays, regardless, but it still proves that even a phenom like Mahomes can't do it all by himself. He has to have SOME protection and SOME time to actually operate and throw.
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