Dont know how any fan who is not a 1000% pessimist would even go there. I looked in real quick....and got the hell out. Pretty sure there are prisoners on death row who have a more positive outlook on life than some of the idiots in that thread. Its a football game people....and a close game at that. We wait all offseason to watch a damn game that is supposed to be entertainment only to be completely miserable and for 3 hours. Unreal.
It’s easy to discuss playing well. It’s quite another story when you are a perennial door mat.
The Giants got clubbed like a baby seal today. I am curious why today is the day to be criticizing the negativity of some fans.
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It's brutal.
Some really stupid fans.
Giants fans used to be known for their intelligence, but that ship sailed a long, long time ago. Kind of remind me of Washington fans now.
It's to the point where it's an embarresment.
Seriously, how is the fans reaction an embarrassment, but the product on the field isn't? This wasn't an isolated game. This was an extension of several years of shit. This game looks like any number of games from the last 5 years.
Sure, the season is over comments are a wild exaggeration today. But, I completely understand how anyone could feel that way, unless this was the first game they ever watched. But, that feeling won't be so absurd in another coupld of weeks if the team looks like this.
Matt, my post is not addressing someone pointing out mistakes and obvious bad plays. Or those who are sick of shitty play.
I'm addressing the members on that thread whose sole purpose is to bitch and moan because they have an agenda or an axe to grind. I'm addressing the ones that leap on a single play to segue into some agenda they have harped on. I'm also addressing the multitude of idiots who only show up in those threads to troll (which were quite a few today) then disappear until another Giants game where they are playing bad to troll again.
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In comment 15361165 Eric from BBI said:
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It's brutal.
Some really stupid fans.
Giants fans used to be known for their intelligence, but that ship sailed a long, long time ago. Kind of remind me of Washington fans now.
It's to the point where it's an embarresment.
Seriously, how is the fans reaction an embarrassment, but the product on the field isn't? This wasn't an isolated game. This was an extension of several years of shit. This game looks like any number of games from the last 5 years.
Sure, the season is over comments are a wild exaggeration today. But, I completely understand how anyone could feel that way, unless this was the first game they ever watched. But, that feeling won't be so absurd in another coupld of weeks if the team looks like this.
Matt, my post is not addressing someone pointing out mistakes and obvious bad plays. Or those who are sick of shitty play.
I'm addressing the members on that thread whose sole purpose is to bitch and moan because they have an agenda or an axe to grind. I'm addressing the ones that leap on a single play to segue into some agenda they have harped on. I'm also addressing the multitude of idiots who only show up in those threads to troll (which were quite a few today) then disappear until another Giants game where they are playing bad to troll again.
I agree...I only post a couple of times a game now
It’s easy to discuss playing well. It’s quite another story when you are a perennial door mat.
The Giants got clubbed like a baby seal today. I am curious why today is the day to be criticizing the negativity of some fans.
Don't be dumb.
If you read the game thread, fans were acting like we were losing 30-3 when the score was 7-3 Giants and 10-7 Broncos.
Any reasonable football fan expected that kind of game heading into this contest.
The roof collapsed in the second half, but the "fans" had already abandoned the team when it was 10-7.
If you read the game thread, fans were acting like we were losing 30-3 when the score was 7-3 Giants and 10-7 Broncos.
Any reasonable football fan expected that kind of game heading into this contest.
The roof collapsed in the second half, but the "fans" had already abandoned the team when it was 10-7.
Because the fan base is both 1) expecting the roof to collapse and 2) wary of getting excited.
Think about this. When is the time you felt Giants fans on your website were the most constructive and intelligent?
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The supposed intelligence of any fanbase is directly proportionate to the success the team is having.
It’s easy to discuss playing well. It’s quite another story when you are a perennial door mat.
The Giants got clubbed like a baby seal today. I am curious why today is the day to be criticizing the negativity of some fans.
Don't be dumb.
If you read the game thread, fans were acting like we were losing 30-3 when the score was 7-3 Giants and 10-7 Broncos.
Any reasonable football fan expected that kind of game heading into this contest.
The roof collapsed in the second half, but the "fans" had already abandoned the team when it was 10-7.
That's because the fans knew what was coming. This is in the mix for the worst offensive roster I've ever seen the Giants have.
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Don't be dumb.
If you read the game thread, fans were acting like we were losing 30-3 when the score was 7-3 Giants and 10-7 Broncos.
Any reasonable football fan expected that kind of game heading into this contest.
The roof collapsed in the second half, but the "fans" had already abandoned the team when it was 10-7.
Because the fan base is both 1) expecting the roof to collapse and 2) wary of getting excited.
Think about this. When is the time you felt Giants fans on your website were the most constructive and intelligent?
When was BBI at its best? During the Dave Brown era. No joke. It's not even close.
It's just been a series of mistakes and horrendous decisions, narrated by many on BBI.
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The supposed intelligence of any fanbase is directly proportionate to the success the team is having.
It’s easy to discuss playing well. It’s quite another story when you are a perennial door mat.
The Giants got clubbed like a baby seal today. I am curious why today is the day to be criticizing the negativity of some fans.
Don't be dumb.
If you read the game thread, fans were acting like we were losing 30-3 when the score was 7-3 Giants and 10-7 Broncos.
Any reasonable football fan expected that kind of game heading into this contest.
The roof collapsed in the second half, but the "fans" had already abandoned the team when it was 10-7.
Because we have all watched this team for a very long time, and we all could see what was going to happen before it did, in fact, happen. Through different coaches and different players and different stadiums, some things never change.
This offensive roster is nowhere near the worst the Giants have had even in recent years, let alone some of the putrid teams of the 1970s.
The Giants have had teams where Chris Calloway was the most dangerous WR and Howard Cross the most dangerous TE.
The Giants have had offensive lines with Jeff Roehl and Jeff Hatch starting.
Give me a break.
I get it... you guys are frustrated, but don't sound so dumb.
This was anyone's game at halftime.
Did anyone expect the score to be really different than it was at halftime? A three point game?
Did anyone expect the Giants offense to look sharp with all the time missed by Barkley, Golladay, Toney, Rudolph, Lemieux, and with Engram out?
The most unexpected thing was the play of the defense.
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Don't be dumb.
If you read the game thread, fans were acting like we were losing 30-3 when the score was 7-3 Giants and 10-7 Broncos.
Any reasonable football fan expected that kind of game heading into this contest.
The roof collapsed in the second half, but the "fans" had already abandoned the team when it was 10-7.
Because the fan base is both 1) expecting the roof to collapse and 2) wary of getting excited.
Think about this. When is the time you felt Giants fans on your website were the most constructive and intelligent?
When was BBI at its best? During the Dave Brown era. No joke. It's not even close.
The days of 14.4, 28 and 56k modems? Sounds about right.
This offensive roster is nowhere near the worst the Giants have had even in recent years, let alone some of the putrid teams of the 1970s.
The Giants have had teams where Chris Calloway was the most dangerous WR and Howard Cross the most dangerous TE.
The Giants have had offensive lines with Jeff Roehl and Jeff Hatch starting.
Give me a break.
I get it... you guys are frustrated, but don't sound so dumb.
I didn't see the teams in the '70s.
Who does this team have on offense that's good? Who are any of these linemen that they deserve to be treated over Jeff Roehl or Jeff Hatch? Did you see Solder and Peart today?
It has NEVER been easier to score points in the NFL, ever. Competent teams are doing it to the tune of around 30 PPG. This team has a hard time getting to 20. You think because we threw a lot of money at Golladay, or that because Barkley and Jones were high draft picks, that they're good players?
THAT is dumb.
The 2018-2021 Giants are the worst Giants teams I've seen, easily.
The team hasn't won anything for years and continues to look horrid with an arrogant GM and HC. The fans are going to react negatively to that when they lose one of the games that should be a W if the trajectory is going up.
Madden used to always say how NY Giants fans were the smartest fans in football... I think it's because back in the 60s they were the first to cheer like crazy when it was the other team's offensive 3rd down...
Down 10-7, 4th and 1 3rd quarter, Denver fakes a run. McKinney is free to Bridgewater, Bridgewater avoids rush, rolls out, finds TE for short completion. Martinez misses the tackle. Denver scores on play.
Down 20-7, 1st and 10, 4th quarter, Giants driving. Jones scrambles and fumbles as he tried to get forward on a scramble.
Yes, the run blocking wasn’t good. No, the defense couldn’t get off the field. But let’s not act like this was the complete shit show and we should disband the franchise.
Dave Brown was the starting QB for the Giants the first two years of your site, if memory serves me correctly. I didn’t start reading by until 1999.
If the subsequent 24 haven’t even been close, I’m surprised you think there’s been a recent down tick in the quality of Giants fans.
Did anyone expect the Giants offense to look sharp with all the time missed by Barkley, Golladay, Toney, Rudolph, Lemieux, and with Engram out?
That's an interesting question.
I'm not counting the garbage TD at the end, but I have to imagine you expected more than 7 points at home against Denver...
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When was BBI at its best? During the Dave Brown era. No joke. It's not even close.
Dave Brown was the starting QB for the Giants the first two years of your site, if memory serves me correctly. I didn’t start reading by until 1999.
If the subsequent 24 haven’t even been close, I’m surprised you think there’s been a recent down tick in the quality of Giants fans.
Most 40 and 50 year old men who have seen decades of football in New York didn't used to whine like little kids like they do now when the game is still very much in the balance.
It doesn't have to do with the state of the team because Giants fans on this site when through 1995-1996, 1998-1999, 2003-2004, etc.
Game threads have always been bad on BBI because there is no filter. But today was bad even for game threads. Jesus Christ, it was a 3-point game at halftime.
What didn't surprise me today was the defense collapsing late in the first half (we did that much of the early part of last year...I mentioned this in my game preview on Friday). Where the defense really came up short however was on 4th down. Different game if they stop that.
Also a different game if any of those three long drives we had in the second half result in touchdowns.
What didn't surprise me today was the defense collapsing late in the first half (we did that much of the early part of last year...I mentioned this in my game preview on Friday). Where the defense really came up short however was on 4th down. Different game if they stop that.
Also a different game if any of those three long drives we had in the second half result in touchdowns.
It was a poor performance by the entire team.
Denver deserves credit. They were just the better team. I thought they were talented, but Bridgewater would hold them back. But he played very well...to my chargin.
Damn side slinging throwing, noodle arm bastard... ;)
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That one fanbase is smarter than another is kind of stupid.
Madden used to always say how NY Giants fans were the smartest fans in football... I think it's because back in the 60s they were the first to cheer like crazy when it was the other team's offensive 3rd down...
It may have been the case back then because the NY fanbase had the luxury of reading NY print. But in the internet age? Every fanbase is loaded with the same percentage of morons, pessimists and optimists. None of us are anything more, we're all probably idiots actually just based on the fact we care.
The Accorsi Giants never had a stretch this bad. The fan base is itchy.
Some really stupid fans.
Giants fans used to be known for their intelligence, but that ship sailed a long, long time ago. Kind of remind me of Washington fans now.
I stopped posting on BBI years ago. It's a lot different than prior years past.
In many ways, the internet age has been a godsend for information, but it also seems to have shortened people's attention spans to the point of near oblivion. (Hence, you literally now see NJ.com post 3- and 4-paragraph "articles").
In the old days, Giants fans would read entire newspapers dedicated to the team (Giants Newsweekly, Giants Insider, print version of Inside Football).
But my God, all fans and media types don't seem to remember what happened two weeks ago now.
The Accorsi Giants never had a stretch this bad. The fan base is itchy.
You really need to back and re-read that thread.
The Accorsi Giants never had a stretch this bad. The fan base is itchy.
The '90s teams were never this bad either - and they were in a division with Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys.
At what point is it ok to call shit, shit? How bad does it have to get before it's ok to think that this team is a disaster that is still unfolding as we speak?
The fans are angry BECAUSE they remember the last few years. How many times have we said 15-33, gone over the mistakes on and off the field?
This isn't the 10-0 1990 team showing up flat in Philly. This current team is a disaster that is the result of years of mistakes that we've been calling mistakes add they've happened.
The angler and frustration is not coming out of left field. Anything but.
Reads like a fan base that’s nervous the roof will inevitably collapse, which as you pointed out, it did.
But I'm not sure what anyone would expect with this record. The Giants are 9-24 in their last 33 home games. They 3-11 in September going back to 2017. If they lose Thursday they will be 0-2 for the 5th year in a row.
On top of all of that every single topic we have debated here to death since last season ended went the wrong way today. The QB had another game changing turnover, the OL was horrid, there was no pass rush, the play calling was awful and the same as last year.
People come here to talk and at this point there's nothing good to talk about. So they vent. There's nothing else they can do.
In many ways, the internet age has been a godsend for information, but it also seems to have shortened people's attention spans to the point of near oblivion. (Hence, you literally now see NJ.com post 3- and 4-paragraph "articles").
In the old days, Giants fans would read entire newspapers dedicated to the team (Giants Newsweekly, Giants Insider, print version of Inside Football).
But my God, all fans and media types don't seem to remember what happened two weeks ago now.
In many ways, the internet age has been a godsend for information, but it also seems to have shortened people's attention spans to the point of near oblivion. (Hence, you literally now see NJ.com post 3- and 4-paragraph "articles").
In the old days, Giants fans would read entire newspapers dedicated to the team (Giants Newsweekly, Giants Insider, print version of Inside Football).
But my God, all fans and media types don't seem to remember what happened two weeks ago now.
The fact that we care puts us in the Romper Room, so enjoy the idiot party because its the cost of admission. We're all idiots.
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When was BBI at its best? During the Dave Brown era. No joke. It's not even close.
Dave Brown was the starting QB for the Giants the first two years of your site, if memory serves me correctly. I didn’t start reading by until 1999.
If the subsequent 24 haven’t even been close, I’m surprised you think there’s been a recent down tick in the quality of Giants fans.
Most 40 and 50 year old men who have seen decades of football in New York didn't used to whine like little kids like they do now when the game is still very much in the balance.
It doesn't have to do with the state of the team because Giants fans on this site when through 1995-1996, 1998-1999, 2003-2004, etc.
Game threads have always been bad on BBI because there is no filter. But today was bad even for game threads. Jesus Christ, it was a 3-point game at halftime.
So saying fans endured 1995, 1998, etc. is missing the point. Those seasons were enveloped by decent seasons. Hell, even the Fassell era, which was the epitome of a roller coaster, still had as many good as bad seasons. Again, in my 40+ years as a fan, I had not seen a string of losing seasons like this.
I have a hard time equating positivity with sharp observation.
I have a hard time equating positivity with sharp observation.
this one should go over well...
I think there’s a group of really earnest guys who look for the bright side, and if the trends and outcomes don’t support their positivity, they don’t really lose sleep over it.
That’s an admirable life trait, but a little boring when debating football online with strangers.
In many ways, the internet age has been a godsend for information, but it also seems to have shortened people's attention spans to the point of near oblivion. (Hence, you literally now see NJ.com post 3- and 4-paragraph "articles").
In the old days, Giants fans would read entire newspapers dedicated to the team (Giants Newsweekly, Giants Insider, print version of Inside Football).
But my God, all fans and media types don't seem to remember what happened two weeks ago now.
Eric, I had a very bullish outlook on the season and actually had us losing this one on the way to 10 wins, but this was fucking pathetic and it’s completely at the feet of the coaching staff. They all got pantsed today, especially Graham. Way too much talent on that side of the ball to call games like he does now. I’m starting to think he’s a very strictly scheme guy and the loss of Dalvin is going to hurt a lot (and I can go into more about the reasoning behind that)
I don’t even know what to make of the offense because the offensive line isn’t close to good enough to have everyone sit on the god damn sidelines 10 minutes at a time. Just can’t get in a rythym like that unless you are dominating up front offensively. I give Garrett the most slight of passes because he’s still figuring out how to use his mew weapons but he better figure it out quick.
And Judge, well this was his worst outing as HC, worse than the Cards game last year. He needs to make sure the gameplan is cohesive and works complimentary of each other. Not to mention the ingame snafus and coaching waaaay too conservatively.
It’s week 1 and I thought we were going to stay 0-2, but after this debacle, they need to beat WFT on the road. Lose at home like this and then a divisional game and things have potential to become a mutiny if you lose to the dregs that are known as the Falcons at home.
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this one should go over well...
I think there’s a group of really earnest guys who look for the bright side, and if the trends and outcomes don’t support their positivity, they don’t really lose sleep over it.
That’s an admirable life trait, but a little boring when debating football online with strangers.
How is it boring? As a matter of fact, it could be said that there are a group of really earnest guys who look for the negative, and if the trends and outcomes support their negativity they jump for joy.
It's a somewhat sad take especially after one game but in all honesty, I find it somewhat legit given what we saw today. But it is a little boring given how they love to crow about any miscue on BBI and finally gain some sleep because they think it proves them right.
I hope you honestly see how ridiculous your post was