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Anakim : 9/12/2021 6:56 pm
What a fucking disaster that game was
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GiantGrit : 9/12/2021 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15362459 Go Terps said:
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I see Jones scored the John Mara "arrow is pointing up" moral victory touchdown at the end. Good for him. Reminds me of all those meaningless Barkley receptions in 2018.

Let's call Jacksonville about Minshew...oh wait...


“No more scholarships” meanwhile in year 2 the Eagles wanted to PUSH Hurts. Competition is a GOOD THING. For two years they’ve neglected bringing in another young QB when Jones has proven nothing aside from turning the ball over at the worst time and getting hurt.

Now if Jones sucks they have no plan B and they throw away the whole fucking season. Absolutely no valid excuse to not trade for a guy like Minshew, the reality is what we both know - they didn’t want to hurt Danny’s feelings. Loser mentality.
RE: RE: Nothing really to be happy about today...  
FStubbs : 9/12/2021 7:36 pm : link
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...defense was terrible. Offense wasn't on the field a lot but another Jones turnover and just bad play calling overall IMO makes you think - WTF was this team doing all offseason/preseason.

Even the HC, who we all lean on to lead us out of that dark decade - doesn't know the rule (along with the crowd that thought fumbling the ball after hitting the pylon is some sort of turnover).

I am going to say this - particularly about a team like the Giants. They made a huge mistake not playing the starters more in the preseason.

I'll give them the first quarter of the season before I write them off...I know most of us are doing that already.




I COMPLETELY AGREE on not playing the starters in the pre-season! Guarantee Judge does not do that again!!!!


After the way we and Judge looked today, I'm not sure at the moment if Judge should get another pre-season.
RE: RE: RE: Let's skip the winging about Garrett  
Debaser : 9/12/2021 7:37 pm : link
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We did the same with Shurmur's offense on his way out. And yet Shurmur just schooled us.

I don't think Garrett is some savant, but perhaps we've replaced mediocre players with more mediocre players for the last 10 years.



That’s exactly what happened. At least I suspect the owners told Reese to go young and cheap or something given their cap and Lombardi’s what the F is gettle”s excuse?

I disagree. The OL is still questionable. But, the skill players aren't mediocre. Golladay, Rudolph, Shepard, Barkley. That's not mediocre. Then Slayton and Toney as 3/4 is also above average talent.


I still have no idea what anyone has seen in Barkley the last 2 years to think he is really any good. He has not been good since his rookie year. He has to be the most over hyped player in the history of sports. He avg less than 3 yards a carry. He did similar things last year before getting hurt.

The defense is mediocre and so is Daniel jones ... if this wasn’t gettle’s boy and judge not such a young coach he would be playing back up for the bears or something
RE: RE: Its not just the players its the coaches  
Everyone Relax : 9/12/2021 7:37 pm : link
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Judge is just a cursing alpha male on sidelines. He didn’t fo one in game adjustment at halftime. Our Oc is inept



Graham and his defense was the worst issue today. But we gonna bitch about Garrett?

Oh absolutely. Garret coaches like this is the 1986 giants. Guy was STILL trying to establish the run down 2 tds with 8 min left in the game. His 3rd down calls are STILL 5 yard curl routes.
Well  
TJ : 9/12/2021 7:37 pm : link
That was revolting. On top of all the other failures, Giants committed 2 personal fouls. Not something a well coached team does.
Whose better?  
GiantGrit : 9/12/2021 7:37 pm : link
Tyrod Taylor or Daniel Jones?

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RE: Daniel jones led the Giants in rushing ydg  
EricJ : 9/12/2021 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15362445 Red Right Hand said:
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Danield jones had more passing ydg the bridgewater, lol.
Stats are useless sometimes...


It is not just the stats that are useless. It is also useless trying to talk to people here who clearly have some kind of agenda. Blaming one person whether it is the RB, the QB, the GM, etc.

Jones looks no better or worse than half of the QBs in the league. The thing is people here are not watching every play from those other QBs. If you want to look at the stats, Jones' day today was about the same as many QBs and he had one turnover.

Today, Rodgers had only 133 yards, two INTs and no TDs. Jones out played him today. Same for a few other QBs but it all means nothing because stat comparisons are stupid.

The bottom line here is this team is not controlling the line of scrimmage. We cannot run the ball or pass protect and we cannot get pressure on the QB or stop the run at times. THAT is where our problems begin and they end with poor play calling.

So, if you "football fans" want to waste your time talking about the QB or the RB then go ahead. Put Mahommes behind center for us today and we still lose. Now whose fault is it? Put Chubb in the backfield for us and we still lose the game today. Now whose fault is it?

We have too many problems at the line of scrimmage that were not fixed since last season and on top of that, we also have some piss poor play calling making even more difficult.
If Kadarius Toney turns out to be nothing  
GeofromNJ : 9/12/2021 7:39 pm : link
Gettleman will have hire a security detail or hire somebody to do his grocery shopping. Hey, I wonder if Evan Engram would have made a difference today.
Just saw the sack on 4th down...  
bluewave : 9/12/2021 7:39 pm : link
Had to pause it get some stuff done and I just saw it. WHAT THE HELL WAS PEART DOING?? He didn't even move!!! The guy ran by him completely untouched!!!!
RE: Whose better?  
bw in dc : 9/12/2021 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15362546 GiantGrit said:
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Tyrod Taylor or Daniel Jones?

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It's not really close right now.
Jones  
AcidTest : 9/12/2021 7:42 pm : link
has talent, but he's erratic and inconsistent. He also still looks deficient in terms of his ability to read defenses and not lock on to receivers. I want to see what happens over the next month before making any conclusions, but his game today was too much like those of the last three years.
RE: RE: No team is going to let Barkley get going  
BigBlueinDE : 9/12/2021 7:42 pm : link
In comment 15362460 Silver Spoon said:
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as long as Jones can't make them pay. And thus far he can't.

So you have a generational talent at RB and it doesn't mean dick, cause no one's gonna let him get more than 4 yard when they aren't scared of the QB.

And a 6th overall QB who can't out play Teddy Bridgewater.

It's early, and I expect the Giants to improve, but as of today, I'm about 60% sure Jones ain't the guy. I see no flashes of magic. Yet he's still good for at least one fumble or bad turnover per game.



A generational talent at RB. Please, stop with that nonsense.


Exactly! I'd trade him as well and start making calls tonight. Barkley's all hat and no cattle.
This strategy of putting Barkley  
Ike#88 : 9/12/2021 7:44 pm : link
out wide is delusional. We are impressing no one but ourselves. We would be better off with a wideout there. Garrett is a huge problem.
RE: RE: Daniel jones led the Giants in rushing ydg  
truebluelarry : 9/12/2021 7:44 pm : link
In comment 15362548 EricJ said:
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Danield jones had more passing ydg the bridgewater, lol.
Stats are useless sometimes...



It is not just the stats that are useless. It is also useless trying to talk to people here who clearly have some kind of agenda. Blaming one person whether it is the RB, the QB, the GM, etc.

Jones looks no better or worse than half of the QBs in the league. The thing is people here are not watching every play from those other QBs. If you want to look at the stats, Jones' day today was about the same as many QBs and he had one turnover.

Today, Rodgers had only 133 yards, two INTs and no TDs. Jones out played him today. Same for a few other QBs but it all means nothing because stat comparisons are stupid.

The bottom line here is this team is not controlling the line of scrimmage. We cannot run the ball or pass protect and we cannot get pressure on the QB or stop the run at times. THAT is where our problems begin and they end with poor play calling.

So, if you "football fans" want to waste your time talking about the QB or the RB then go ahead. Put Mahommes behind center for us today and we still lose. Now whose fault is it? Put Chubb in the backfield for us and we still lose the game today. Now whose fault is it?

We have too many problems at the line of scrimmage that were not fixed since last season and on top of that, we also have some piss poor play calling making even more difficult.


You nailed it.
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Fox : 9/12/2021 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15362126 widmerseyebrow said:
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Lol. I thought that a hilariously placed ad at first.
RE: This strategy of putting Barkley  
Angel Eyes : 9/12/2021 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15362587 Ike#88 said:
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out wide is delusional. We are impressing no one but ourselves. We would be better off with a wideout there. Garrett is a huge problem.

Well, Barkley isn't any better as a pass protector.
Anyone  
Everyone Relax : 9/12/2021 7:46 pm : link
pissed at Barkley is ridiculous. First game back from ACL surgery, no preseason, and Garrets play designs for him were runs between the tackles. Not one designed screen pass, or quick out pass to him. Give me Freddie Kitchens!
Great pickups  
PaulN : 9/12/2021 7:47 pm : link
With our backup QB and backup running back, this Nooker is something, it's a good thing we went out and signed him fast.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I would really like to see Jones  
FStubbs : 9/12/2021 7:47 pm : link
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have a chance before the Giants move on from him without being stuck in Garrett offense. Wish they fired Garrett and gave someone else a chance because this offense has no chance with him in charge



Nope. Too little and too late. 3 and out.



What is there to lose by firing Garrett and giving Jones till the end of the year to see if he can improve under someone else ?

We know forsure with Garrett this will be a lost season, Jones will not improve, and all the Weapons DG added will be wasted

It's hard to disagree with that. 1 game might be a bit early. But, if after a few games, the offense looks like this, I would be behind this.



I have seen enough through 17 games. Garrett is the worst OC i have ever seen. Zero creativity, Zero unpredictability, no scheming anybody open, Receivers running short of 3rd down sticks, Running plays are all straight into the Oline, Zero aggressiveness when They desperately need points,no changes in tempo of the offense . It's just awful to watch


He's calling plays as if he has that dominant OL he had back in Dallas where basic was enough because the offensive line would protect the QB as long as necessary or blow huge holes open for the RBs.
RE: RE: By Oct. 24, this team will be 1-6  
The_Boss : 9/12/2021 7:47 pm : link
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You can take it to the bank..

My 6-11 season prediction was overly optimistic. These guys blow cock. Tired of losing. It’s old.



1-7 by Nov 1..week 8 is in KC…

☹️


Sorry..2-6 at best at the bye..only games I see as legitimately are the Falcon and Panther home games…still we’re fucked, as usual
RE: This strategy of putting Barkley  
BillKo : 9/12/2021 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15362587 Ike#88 said:
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out wide is delusional. We are impressing no one but ourselves. We would be better off with a wideout there. Garrett is a huge problem.


I actually like having Barkley in the "passing game" - not the safety valve we always see.

But they need to use him the way the Eagles used to use Brian Westbrook, running curls and crossing patterns...

Big problem today - Barkley is obviously coming off injury but he was rusty for sure. Again, players should have played more in the preseason.
RE: This strategy of putting Barkley  
FStubbs : 9/12/2021 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15362587 Ike#88 said:
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out wide is delusional. We are impressing no one but ourselves. We would be better off with a wideout there. Garrett is a huge problem.


Nah, that's actually the best way to use Barkley. Getting him out in space by lining him up around the offense. That part is correct.
I saw same theme  
greek13 : 9/12/2021 7:49 pm : link
As last year in many areas. Defense can’t get off the field. 2,horrible plays
When we were TBridgewaters face by the rookie and McKinney
Just a stupid roughing / even if borderline - he looked right at him at went to the helmet - blown coverages - poor adjustments

Jones fumble was vomit material - again -
Play calling on goal to goal was abysmal
We lost both lines of scrimmage

Jg has to go but until we have a strong oline we are going nowhere even if D improves / fade to Rudolph ? Wtf
Nothing in the middle
Pass to Barkley could have been intercepted twice
A wasted run
And to the pylon and I’ll throw it low on 4th down


Thursday is already an incredibly important game
Defense was poor  
uconngiant : 9/12/2021 7:49 pm : link
They couldn't cover the tight end all day long as Patrick killed the Giant's defense.

The offensive line didn't open holes and the pass blocking was subpar to say the least.

Jones can't turn the ball over on that run in the red zone.

The play caller was poor most of the day.

Lots of work to do before Washington on Thursday.

Get Saquon the ball on the outside on flare passes so he is in space

Pass rush needs to improve big time
RE: I would really like to see Jones  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2021 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15362381 Giantfan21 said:
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have a chance before the Giants move on from him without being stuck in Garrett offense. Wish they fired Garrett and gave someone else a chance because this offense has no chance with him in charge


Garrett likely didn’t call his game altering, careless turnover.

Jones is a talented athlete who isn’t a very good QB at the NFL level.
RE: RE: DG will be gone so will DJ  
mphbullet36 : 9/12/2021 7:53 pm : link
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If that happens, Judge has to go.

Cant keep the coach when you get rid of the GM and QB....

start over from scratch.



Agreed…thought we had something in Judge but that performance today was disheartening to say the least


No way is Mara, who is stuck in time, getting rid of JJ. He honestly thinks he found the next BB.

I wasn't that sour on JJ but this game was eye opening. Something as little as not knowing the challenge rule is deeply concerning for a guy that preaches being prepared for everything.

To get embarrassed at home vs a mediocre (most likely) non playoff team.

Everyone is on notice!
Thank God  
PaulN : 9/12/2021 7:54 pm : link
We got Ebner, and 12 defensive backs, we need just a few who can cover though. This is exactly what we did in 2017. These big time signings are going to suck, just like they did in 2017. At least we had 1 good season in 2017. Welcome to cap hell without a team.
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Go Terps : 9/12/2021 7:54 pm : link
People have got to stop telling themselves Barkley is a great player. He is not and never has been. The moment he strings a couple good games together they should trade him... Hopefully someone else is making the mistake of thinking he's a great player.
cmon  
fkap : 9/12/2021 7:55 pm : link
anyone who expected anything different on offense was delusional. The core was injured all offseason. Y'all expect them to gel overnight?

The D, however, was surprising. It would appear Judge's approach in the offseason did not have them ready to play.

In the predictions threads, few here were all that optimistic on the season, especially at the start. So why all the teeth gnashing? The result is pretty much what we expected.
Judge just said  
bluesince56 : 9/12/2021 7:56 pm : link
He saw a lot of positives.
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bubba0825 : 9/12/2021 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15362653 Go Terps said:
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People have got to stop telling themselves Barkley is a great player. He is not and never has been. The moment he strings a couple good games together they should trade him... Hopefully someone else is making the mistake of thinking he's a great player.


This isn’t wrong
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The_Boss : 9/12/2021 7:57 pm : link
27-14 (late Jones rushing TD in garbage time) probably could/should have been 37-14…and Denver was one of the games you could see this team beating when the schedule was released…that’s a scary thought
RE: Judge just said  
Angel Eyes : 9/12/2021 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15362663 bluesince56 said:
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He saw a lot of positives.

...Where's my jaw?
RE: RE: Daniel jones led the Giants in rushing ydg  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/12/2021 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15362548 EricJ said:
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Put Mahommes behind center for us today and we still lose.


I disagree. Mahomes could have done a bit better than this tire fire.
It’s difficult to keep doing this year after year. But somehow and  
Jimmy Googs : 9/12/2021 7:58 pm : link
someway, other teams seem to get more out of OTAs, rookie week, minicamp, summer camp, and preseason games.

The opposition shows up ready to go when the gun goes off on Day 1, and the Giants look lost in space. Our guys lose at the LoS, on the edge, at QB, in third down, and on the sideline. They aren’t prepared.

But please keep all those posts coming that the preseason months don’t matter, and it’s for the bottom of the roster and starters get enough reps in the scrimmages and non-tackle practices. I enjoy these takes.

Something has to change folks...
Ok so two plays that actually got pumped today..  
BillKo : 9/12/2021 7:59 pm : link
...and there wasn't really a lot:

Did anyone see the Booker "chip" on the rushing Bronco DE on the TD pass to Sheppard? Sweet block.

AND for the life of me, I could not believe on that crazy scramble by Bridgewater a hold was not called on Dexter Lawrence who was literally held- it looked - around the collar!!!!
Jones was not the big culprit today  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/12/2021 8:00 pm : link
But your driving and have a chance for a TD after a good drive and you fumble. TD maybe changes the momentum down 6. Instead it deflates the team.

The D was the big issue today but I and fear the team has the feeling that it’s only a matter of time before he screws up.

I think Garrett gets Thursdays game but if it is another stinker you may need a change to create a sense of urgency.

I believe Graham will gets things in order on D.
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BillKo : 9/12/2021 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15362668 The_Boss said:
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27-14 (late Jones rushing TD in garbage time) probably could/should have been 37-14…and Denver was one of the games you could see this team beating when the schedule was released…that’s a scary thought


The Giants sucked but their last TD could be considered garbage time too ya know, and on the dropped TD they ended up scoring anyway same drive...
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greek13 : 9/12/2021 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15362653 Go Terps said:
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People have got to stop telling themselves Barkley is a great player. He is not and never has been. The moment he strings a couple good games together they should trade him... Hopefully someone else is making the mistake of thinking he's a great player.


Can’t disagree
And we don’t get him the ball in space ever
Jg uses him like EE without the Cowboys OL
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WillVAB : 9/12/2021 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15362653 Go Terps said:
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People have got to stop telling themselves Barkley is a great player. He is not and never has been. The moment he strings a couple good games together they should trade him... Hopefully someone else is making the mistake of thinking he's a great player.


Yep. Barkley is a one dimensional player.

“If they can just get him the ball in space” — there’s 100 guys in the league you could say the same for. He’s supposed to be a “gold jacket guy.” True game changers don’t need everything perfect around them to impact.

Giving Barkley a second contract would be a massive mistake.
I expected nothing out of the O, I thought they'd struggle  
JOrthman : 9/12/2021 8:04 pm : link
for me the surprise was how bad the D was.
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McNally's_Nuts : 9/12/2021 8:06 pm : link
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Congrats, Terps
RE: RE: RE: Let's skip the winging about Garrett  
Debaser : 9/12/2021 8:07 pm : link
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We did the same with Shurmur's offense on his way out. And yet Shurmur just schooled us.

I don't think Garrett is some savant, but perhaps we've replaced mediocre players with more mediocre players for the last 10 years.



That’s exactly what happened. At least I suspect the owners told Reese to go young and cheap or something given their cap and Lombardi’s what the F is gettle”s excuse?



Reese was constantly trying to patch the roster so Eli could go on another run. He got sacked before it was evident we had to rebuild. (I think Gettleman drafting Barkley was yet another patch attempt).


The gettle fan boys still sticking to this bizarre Eli narrative? Eli is 40 years old and has not played as a starter since 2 games into 2018!!!!

Patching around Eli sounded like a good idea the execution was not there. They knew you might get someone like a Daniel jones . He sucks. They knew what they had in Eli. It would have weird to cut him at age 30 and fresh off two s b mvps.... don’t you agree??? There are only a few people who can do this and finding coaches that can develop them.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I would really like to see Jones  
Joe Beckwith : 9/12/2021 8:09 pm : link
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Everyone sucked today.
Graham couldn’t make adjustments, and Garrett……if they lose Thursday night, may not make it to game 3…..which may not be a bad thing.
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have a chance before the Giants move on from him without being stuck in Garrett offense. Wish they fired Garrett and gave someone else a chance because this offense has no chance with him in charge



Nope. Too little and too late. 3 and out.



What is there to lose by firing Garrett and giving Jones till the end of the year to see if he can improve under someone else ?

We know forsure with Garrett this will be a lost season, Jones will not improve, and all the Weapons DG added will be wasted

It's hard to disagree with that. 1 game might be a bit early. But, if after a few games, the offense looks like this, I would be behind this.



I have seen enough through 17 games. Garrett is the worst OC i have ever seen. Zero creativity, Zero unpredictability, no scheming anybody open, Receivers running short of 3rd down sticks, Running plays are all straight into the Oline, Zero aggressiveness when They desperately need points,no changes in tempo of the offense . It's just awful to watch
RE: I expected nothing out of the O, I thought they'd struggle  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/12/2021 8:09 pm : link
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for me the surprise was how bad the D was.


Agree the D was the big let down. Still the offense design and Jones does not give me comfort.
Yes, it was clearly Eli’s fault today  
Jimmy Googs : 9/12/2021 8:09 pm : link
good call...
RE: Yes, it was clearly Eli’s fault today  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/12/2021 8:11 pm : link
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good call...


Marc Ross!
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Go Terps : 9/12/2021 8:12 pm : link
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Congrats, Terps


Congrats to you too. The delusional superfans really made a difference today
RE: RE: I expected nothing out of the O, I thought they'd struggle  
JOrthman : 9/12/2021 8:13 pm : link
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for me the surprise was how bad the D was.



Agree the D was the big let down. Still the offense design and Jones does not give me comfort.


He doesn't give me comfort either, but I didn't expect much this game...They didn't play together until today (the starters) and Denver has a good D.
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McNally's_Nuts : 9/12/2021 8:15 pm : link
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Congrats, Terps



Congrats to you too. The delusional superfans really made a difference today


You are 40+ years old looking for validation on a message board.

Take a Xanax and hang out with your family. Dude’s telling people to blow me
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