People have got to stop telling themselves Barkley is a great player. He is not and never has been. The moment he strings a couple good games together they should trade him... Hopefully someone else is making the mistake of thinking he's a great player.
Yep. Barkley is a one dimensional player.
“If they can just get him the ball in space” — there’s 100 guys in the league you could say the same for. He’s supposed to be a “gold jacket guy.” True game changers don’t need everything perfect around them to impact.
Giving Barkley a second contract would be a massive mistake.
Gettleman got that wrong. Barkley is a gadget player. Assuming he gets his legs back from the ACL, he's fine in that role. He's not a RB, he's a guy you move around the offense to try to create mismatches.
But your driving and have a chance for a TD after a good drive and you fumble. TD maybe changes the momentum down 6. Instead it deflates the team.
The D was the big issue today but I and fear the team has the feeling that it’s only a matter of time before he screws up.
I think Garrett gets Thursdays game but if it is another stinker you may need a change to create a sense of urgency.
I believe Graham will gets things in order on D.
Jones wasn’t the reason they lost. The problem is that he is almost never the reason they win. He is a passenger who is just sometimes the reason they lose.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Let's skip the winging about Garrett
We did the same with Shurmur's offense on his way out. And yet Shurmur just schooled us.
I don't think Garrett is some savant, but perhaps we've replaced mediocre players with more mediocre players for the last 10 years.
That’s exactly what happened. At least I suspect the owners told Reese to go young and cheap or something given their cap and Lombardi’s what the F is gettle”s excuse?
Reese was constantly trying to patch the roster so Eli could go on another run. He got sacked before it was evident we had to rebuild. (I think Gettleman drafting Barkley was yet another patch attempt).
The gettle fan boys still sticking to this bizarre Eli narrative? Eli is 40 years old and has not played as a starter since 2 games into 2018!!!!
Patching around Eli sounded like a good idea the execution was not there. They knew you might get someone like a Daniel jones . He sucks. They knew what they had in Eli. It would have weird to cut him at age 30 and fresh off two s b mvps.... don’t you agree??? There are only a few people who can do this and finding coaches that can develop them.
Huh, definitely not a "Gettleman fanboy" whatever it is. It isn't blaming Eli nor an "Eli narrative". The correct answer was not to jettison Eli but to actually rebuild around him, but the team never did that (whether by Reese and Gettleman's decision or the Maras) and ended up wasting the back half of his career. The rebuild didn't start until year 2 of Gettleman.
But your driving and have a chance for a TD after a good drive and you fumble. TD maybe changes the momentum down 6. Instead it deflates the team.
The D was the big issue today but I and fear the team has the feeling that it’s only a matter of time before he screws up.
I think Garrett gets Thursdays game but if it is another stinker you may need a change to create a sense of urgency.
I believe Graham will gets things in order on D.
Jones wasn’t the reason they lost. The problem is that he is almost never the reason they win. He is a passenger who is just sometimes the reason they lose.
The key play of the game - despite the defense not being able to stop the Broncos - was Jones' fumble. If he doesn't fumble, we probably score and are then within 3 points, making a totally different game.
People have got to stop telling themselves Barkley is a great player. He is not and never has been. The moment he strings a couple good games together they should trade him... Hopefully someone else is making the mistake of thinking he's a great player.
100% correct. Barkley is vastly overrated. Every time I hear generational to describe him I laugh.
a game as I could've imagined. I still can't believe they ran that reverse to Toney after the bomb to Slayton. Football is not a complicated game, that playcall was inexcusable, a this offensive system is God Awful. Again, it looked like our receivers were blanketed all day.
To get clobbered by a mediocre DEN team with the crowd as amped up as possible?
Jones looked like he made zero progress, the D couldn't stop Teddy Bridgewater & Barkley looking cooked off the ACL. Even Toney looked like he had zero moves on that swing pass.
Fascinating how disastrous it was. This team had very little rope with me, and I imagine with all Giants fans.
pissed at Barkley is ridiculous. First game back from ACL surgery, no preseason, and Garrets play designs for him were runs between the tackles. Not one designed screen pass, or quick out pass to him. Give me Freddie Kitchens!
No one is pissed per se, we've come the realization that he is overrated and just isn't a great player. He's a medicore to avergae player right now and is not playing at the level of a 2nd pick. He has tremendous physcial ability, but he's not even close to a generational player.
Can someone tell me what Peart was doing on this play???
We did the same with Shurmur's offense on his way out. And yet Shurmur just schooled us.
I don't think Garrett is some savant, but perhaps we've replaced mediocre players with more mediocre players for the last 10 years.
That’s exactly what happened. At least I suspect the owners told Reese to go young and cheap or something given their cap and Lombardi’s what the F is gettle”s excuse?
Reese was constantly trying to patch the roster so Eli could go on another run. He got sacked before it was evident we had to rebuild. (I think Gettleman drafting Barkley was yet another patch attempt).
The gettle fan boys still sticking to this bizarre Eli narrative? Eli is 40 years old and has not played as a starter since 2 games into 2018!!!!
Patching around Eli sounded like a good idea the execution was not there. They knew you might get someone like a Daniel jones . He sucks. They knew what they had in Eli. It would have weird to cut him at age 30 and fresh off two s b mvps.... don’t you agree??? There are only a few people who can do this and finding coaches that can develop them.
Huh, definitely not a "Gettleman fanboy" whatever it is. It isn't blaming Eli nor an "Eli narrative". The correct answer was not to jettison Eli but to actually rebuild around him, but the team never did that (whether by Reese and Gettleman's decision or the Maras) and ended up wasting the back half of his career. The rebuild didn't start until year 2 of Gettleman.
I'm completely confused by your timeline. It was obvious they were not resigning some quality players that had key roles in winning Super bowls including Bradshaw and Jacobs. Strahan retiring clearly paved the way for cruz contract and finding younger athletic guys. It was a dumb idea. The fact it was poorly executed and a coach like big suit, moustache had disaster results.
Garrett should watch the opening drive of the Rams to
People have got to stop telling themselves Barkley is a great player. He is not and never has been. The moment he strings a couple good games together they should trade him... Hopefully someone else is making the mistake of thinking he's a great player.
Yep. Barkley is a one dimensional player.
“If they can just get him the ball in space” — there’s 100 guys in the league you could say the same for. He’s supposed to be a “gold jacket guy.” True game changers don’t need everything perfect around them to impact.
Giving Barkley a second contract would be a massive mistake.
COuldn't agree more. In fact. I agree with GT as soon as he puts together something worth watching, I'd trade him.
RE: Not nice dumping on Barkely in his first game back
Flat out embarrassed in your home opener against a team that was 5-11 last year, missing their best player (Bradley Chubb) and starting Teddy Bridgewater.
we would have lost if they started Teddy Pendergrass
There is no gameplan. No strategy. No identity. You want to be a hard nosed running team? Fine! Get Penny in there, put Saquon behind him and run up the ass of Gates and Hernandez. Then gey saquon in a deep set and run power behind Thomas.
Do it 35 times a game for all i care.
But when you try these weak shotgun runs, it does NOTHING for the OL.
you bring KT in and run jet motion for the first time ever and hand it to him? Like they DIDNT have their eyes peeled to him? Same with then bubble a few plays later
Like, come on?
There is no gameplan. No strategy. No identity. You want to be a hard nosed running team? Fine! Get Penny in there, put Saquon behind him and run up the ass of Gates and Hernandez. Then gey saquon in a deep set and run power behind Thomas.
Do it 35 times a game for all i care.
But when you try these weak shotgun runs, it does NOTHING for the OL.
you bring KT in and run jet motion for the first time ever and hand it to him? Like they DIDNT have their eyes peeled to him? Same with then bubble a few plays later
Like, come on?
There is no gameplan. No strategy. No identity. You want to be a hard nosed running team? Fine! Get Penny in there, put Saquon behind him and run up the ass of Gates and Hernandez. Then gey saquon in a deep set and run power behind Thomas.
Do it 35 times a game for all i care.
But when you try these weak shotgun runs, it does NOTHING for the OL.
you bring KT in and run jet motion for the first time ever and hand it to him? Like they DIDNT have their eyes peeled to him? Same with then bubble a few plays later
Like, come on?
There is no offensive plan if the O-line sucks.
The offensive line was pass blocking fun. They tried to force the run for no reason when it wasn’t working.
Where were the rollouts? Where were the RPOs? Where were the things Jones does well?
Turning him into Eli Manning/Kerry Collins is foolish since he isn’t them!!
Teams will continue to stack the box until Jones proves he can lead this team. Other than the long completion Jones was very accurate IMO. Our receivers & backs made some great catches. For Jones sake I hope we win Thursday because as I’ve said many times the pressure is going to just continue to build and I don’t think he’ll handle it.
look like Brady in his prime out there practically the entire game. The defense...the supposed strength of this team. Jesus Christ.
Great to know the OL is still a complete and utter disaster. Last year, they were at least able to run-block decently for Gallman. They couldn't block for shit today and somehow looked even worse.
Shurmur made Graham look bad today. I know Shurmur is actually a good OC, but good grief. Their offense was rolling pretty much non-stop today.
I didn't have high hopes coming into this season. But I did think we would win today. Today was a complete disaster in every aspect; coaching, players. We made the Broncos look like a great team...and they're really not. Especially without Chubb and Jeudy out for the entire second half.
1. I believe JG is Mara’s choice and Judge is stuck with him
2. Mara thinks the sun shines out of Barkley’s ass. Not only won’t he be traded, Mara is going to give him a pile of money to hang around.
This team is so screwed it’s laughable. the Wilderness years - redux
There is no gameplan. No strategy. No identity. You want to be a hard nosed running team? Fine! Get Penny in there, put Saquon behind him and run up the ass of Gates and Hernandez. Then gey saquon in a deep set and run power behind Thomas.
Do it 35 times a game for all i care.
But when you try these weak shotgun runs, it does NOTHING for the OL.
you bring KT in and run jet motion for the first time ever and hand it to him? Like they DIDNT have their eyes peeled to him? Same with then bubble a few plays later
Like, come on?
There is no offensive plan if the O-line sucks.
You can scheme around this. There is plenty of talent on this OL. Ots not that hard but y9u cant be trying to fit square pegs in round holes
defense was on the field a long time for the same two reasons in so many past seasons: (1) we can't generate pass rush without blitzing, and (2) the offense can't move the ball.
I learned that our management/defensive coaches greatly underestimated
defense was on the field a long time for the same two reasons in so many past seasons: (1) we can't generate pass rush without blitzing, and (2) the offense can't move the ball.
After this debacle, it got me thinking. When was the last time I turned on a Giants game and expected a win? It had to have been what, 2016? 5 years ago? Look around the league and see how many teams have done complete rebuilds in that period. The same issue that afflicted Eli's tail end of his career- terrible Oline play and absolutely no pass rush- continues to haunt this team five years later. It's mind numbingly frustrating. Clearly, Mara needs to get out of his own way and delegate a non-Ernie Accorsi football person to fix this mess that he is culpable for.
But your driving and have a chance for a TD after a good drive and you fumble. TD maybe changes the momentum down 6. Instead it deflates the team.
The D was the big issue today but I and fear the team has the feeling that it’s only a matter of time before he screws up.
I think Garrett gets Thursdays game but if it is another stinker you may need a change to create a sense of urgency.
I believe Graham will gets things in order on D.
DJ didn't look great in the red zone there in the Q4 and he whiffed a bunch of passes in the first half. The hero ball is a little irritating knowing the kind of weapons we have and yet DJ has to scramble up the middle and almost get his block knocked off more than once.
RE: Not nice dumping on Barkely in his first game back
After this debacle, it got me thinking. When was the last time I turned on a Giants game and expected a win? It had to have been what, 2016? 5 years ago? Look around the league and see how many teams have done complete rebuilds in that period. The same issue that afflicted Eli's tail end of his career- terrible Oline play and absolutely no pass rush- continues to haunt this team five years later. It's mind numbingly frustrating. Clearly, Mara needs to get out of his own way and delegate a non-Ernie Accorsi football person to fix this mess that he is culpable for.
We killed Reese for years for taking skill position over line in the draft. And what was Gettleman's very first pick with #2 overall??? Saquon was a luxury pick that this team could not afford. Now a WR in 2021. In my mind Gettleman is just an extension of the Reese era. The priorities on this team have been mismanaged since Reese - even though ironically we won the Superbowl his first year but that wasn't a team he built.
The only thing I am confident should change for the better
is the D. All aspects? No. But, the overall level or play and outcome, because they played better than this last year under Graham and they have added talent. But, pass rush is still a problem, as is their zone coverage. Someone here said Banks seemed to think the playcalling on D was sound, but the execution poor. I'm not sure about that, but he certainly knows a lot more than me, so I'll hope he's correct. At least that would be correctable.
They looked like shit. Hopefully things get better. Denver looked like world beaters today.
I watch a lot of these games on tape delay. A hallmark of the Gettleman Era is fast forwarding through a lot of the second half and catching the fourth quarter of the Sunday Night Game. It really sucks.
It seems like hyperbole or an exaggeration, but you are right. They have started 0-2 or worse how many years in a row now? They are not nearly a good enough team to overcome that.
I’d just like to say, my main takeaway from today was
The Giants were in position a few times today to come up with a big play or big stop that could have given them an edge in the game and they just didn’t make any of those plays. Even in games where a team loses by 2 or 3 scores, there are just a few moments/plays where a team needs to step up and make the better play than the opposing team, and the Giants didn’t do that today. They weren’t entirely outmatched, but they didn’t make those plays is the point……….. the problem is— it’s now been 5 years that I’ve felt this way. It’s like they’re always a play or 2 away from being … a play or 2 away. They don’t score in the red zone, they don’t stop teams on 3rd and 4th downs, and they don’t make the key plays in the games that are required to win. It’s one thing to say “well they’re just a few plays away” but teams are always just a few plays away in the NFL. It’s a game of inches and the differences in talent are minimal. But that’s always going to be the case and you’re going to almost always come up short in those moments if you don’t have the better players on the field than the other team.
We’re oh so close yet so far away. We’ve been “oh so close” for a few years now. No more moral victories. If we get another 6-10 -ish year then it’s time for a shakeup. I personally think it should be a shakeup in general management. And I would allow Judge to have some input (or at least more input than Ernie Accorsi. I think Judge does like working with DG, but he’s also the type of guy who’s very positive and likely willing to try to make the best of a situation. I don’t see him as the guy going behind DG’s back and telling Mara to can DG. Therefore— it had to be Mara who makes the adult decision to move on from DG. He can say to Judge: look, you can have input in the direction we go in terms of General Management, but it’s NOT going to be DG next year.
Dude. You are spot on about Jones. He isn't the answer.
What kills me is that the Giants have had opportunities to bring in FA QBs who could actually potentially compete with Jones and supplant him if necessary. Them not doing so seems almost deliberate.
The Giants were in position a few times today to come up with a big play or big stop that could have given them an edge in the game and they just didn’t make any of those plays. Even in games where a team loses by 2 or 3 scores, there are just a few moments/plays where a team needs to step up and make the better play than the opposing team, and the Giants didn’t do that today. They weren’t entirely outmatched, but they didn’t make those plays is the point……….. the problem is— it’s now been 5 years that I’ve felt this way. It’s like they’re always a play or 2 away from being … a play or 2 away. They don’t score in the red zone, they don’t stop teams on 3rd and 4th downs, and they don’t make the key plays in the games that are required to win. It’s one thing to say “well they’re just a few plays away” but teams are always just a few plays away in the NFL. It’s a game of inches and the differences in talent are minimal. But that’s always going to be the case and you’re going to almost always come up short in those moments if you don’t have the better players on the field than the other team.
We’re oh so close yet so far away. We’ve been “oh so close” for a few years now. No more moral victories. If we get another 6-10 -ish year then it’s time for a shakeup. I personally think it should be a shakeup in general management. And I would allow Judge to have some input (or at least more input than Ernie Accorsi. I think Judge does like working with DG, but he’s also the type of guy who’s very positive and likely willing to try to make the best of a situation. I don’t see him as the guy going behind DG’s back and telling Mara to can DG. Therefore— it had to be Mara who makes the adult decision to move on from DG. He can say to Judge: look, you can have input in the direction we go in terms of General Management, but it’s NOT going to be DG next year.
Agreed. That's why I got so upset last year with all the moral victory posts last year. That was BS last year and this game is why. Where did all those so-called moral victories get us? Did we look like a better team? Did we win a winnable game at home?
Fuck moral victories. It's been nearly a decade of shit. I don't want moral victories. I want real victories. This game was not pretty, but it was very much a game for a long while. The Giants just never took advantage of that.
Dude. You are spot on about Jones. He isn't the answer.
What kills me is that the Giants have had opportunities to bring in FA QBs who could actually potentially compete with Jones and supplant him if necessary. Them not doing so seems almost deliberate.
Of course it was deliberate. Jones is on scholarship.
Bridgewater had his career best game today. Is he a 90% completion quarterback? Whether he threw the ball with a blitzer bearing down on him, or whether he threw the ball on the run moving away from the line of scrimmage, he could NOT throw an incompletion.
When you get old, there are times when you see things better than the "expert," just because you've been watching the game for 60 years. Picking Barclay was always going to be a mistake. You don't pick a fragile luxury offensive skill player when you can't block for him, or for your quarterback, and you don't have a player on defense that other teams fear.
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People have got to stop telling themselves Barkley is a great player. He is not and never has been. The moment he strings a couple good games together they should trade him... Hopefully someone else is making the mistake of thinking he's a great player.
Yep. Barkley is a one dimensional player.
“If they can just get him the ball in space” — there’s 100 guys in the league you could say the same for. He’s supposed to be a “gold jacket guy.” True game changers don’t need everything perfect around them to impact.
Giving Barkley a second contract would be a massive mistake.
Gettleman got that wrong. Barkley is a gadget player. Assuming he gets his legs back from the ACL, he's fine in that role. He's not a RB, he's a guy you move around the offense to try to create mismatches.
The D was the big issue today but I and fear the team has the feeling that it’s only a matter of time before he screws up.
I think Garrett gets Thursdays game but if it is another stinker you may need a change to create a sense of urgency.
I believe Graham will gets things in order on D.
Jones wasn’t the reason they lost. The problem is that he is almost never the reason they win. He is a passenger who is just sometimes the reason they lose.
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We did the same with Shurmur's offense on his way out. And yet Shurmur just schooled us.
I don't think Garrett is some savant, but perhaps we've replaced mediocre players with more mediocre players for the last 10 years.
That’s exactly what happened. At least I suspect the owners told Reese to go young and cheap or something given their cap and Lombardi’s what the F is gettle”s excuse?
Reese was constantly trying to patch the roster so Eli could go on another run. He got sacked before it was evident we had to rebuild. (I think Gettleman drafting Barkley was yet another patch attempt).
The gettle fan boys still sticking to this bizarre Eli narrative? Eli is 40 years old and has not played as a starter since 2 games into 2018!!!!
Patching around Eli sounded like a good idea the execution was not there. They knew you might get someone like a Daniel jones . He sucks. They knew what they had in Eli. It would have weird to cut him at age 30 and fresh off two s b mvps.... don’t you agree??? There are only a few people who can do this and finding coaches that can develop them.
Huh, definitely not a "Gettleman fanboy" whatever it is. It isn't blaming Eli nor an "Eli narrative". The correct answer was not to jettison Eli but to actually rebuild around him, but the team never did that (whether by Reese and Gettleman's decision or the Maras) and ended up wasting the back half of his career. The rebuild didn't start until year 2 of Gettleman.
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But your driving and have a chance for a TD after a good drive and you fumble. TD maybe changes the momentum down 6. Instead it deflates the team.
The D was the big issue today but I and fear the team has the feeling that it’s only a matter of time before he screws up.
I think Garrett gets Thursdays game but if it is another stinker you may need a change to create a sense of urgency.
I believe Graham will gets things in order on D.
Jones wasn’t the reason they lost. The problem is that he is almost never the reason they win. He is a passenger who is just sometimes the reason they lose.
The key play of the game - despite the defense not being able to stop the Broncos - was Jones' fumble. If he doesn't fumble, we probably score and are then within 3 points, making a totally different game.
100% correct. Barkley is vastly overrated. Every time I hear generational to describe him I laugh.
To get clobbered by a mediocre DEN team with the crowd as amped up as possible?
Jones looked like he made zero progress, the D couldn't stop Teddy Bridgewater & Barkley looking cooked off the ACL. Even Toney looked like he had zero moves on that swing pass.
Fascinating how disastrous it was. This team had very little rope with me, and I imagine with all Giants fans.
No one is pissed per se, we've come the realization that he is overrated and just isn't a great player. He's a medicore to avergae player right now and is not playing at the level of a 2nd pick. He has tremendous physcial ability, but he's not even close to a generational player.
What the hell? - ( New Window )
Dj is not a natural. Since he is mistake prone to date maybe the label loser might be accurate .
Our rookie rushing specialist got a sack which is exciting. N Xavier is real good.
Judge's Giants could make some noise
For Denver?
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We did the same with Shurmur's offense on his way out. And yet Shurmur just schooled us.
I don't think Garrett is some savant, but perhaps we've replaced mediocre players with more mediocre players for the last 10 years.
That’s exactly what happened. At least I suspect the owners told Reese to go young and cheap or something given their cap and Lombardi’s what the F is gettle”s excuse?
Reese was constantly trying to patch the roster so Eli could go on another run. He got sacked before it was evident we had to rebuild. (I think Gettleman drafting Barkley was yet another patch attempt).
The gettle fan boys still sticking to this bizarre Eli narrative? Eli is 40 years old and has not played as a starter since 2 games into 2018!!!!
Patching around Eli sounded like a good idea the execution was not there. They knew you might get someone like a Daniel jones . He sucks. They knew what they had in Eli. It would have weird to cut him at age 30 and fresh off two s b mvps.... don’t you agree??? There are only a few people who can do this and finding coaches that can develop them.
Huh, definitely not a "Gettleman fanboy" whatever it is. It isn't blaming Eli nor an "Eli narrative". The correct answer was not to jettison Eli but to actually rebuild around him, but the team never did that (whether by Reese and Gettleman's decision or the Maras) and ended up wasting the back half of his career. The rebuild didn't start until year 2 of Gettleman.
I'm completely confused by your timeline. It was obvious they were not resigning some quality players that had key roles in winning Super bowls including Bradshaw and Jacobs. Strahan retiring clearly paved the way for cruz contract and finding younger athletic guys. It was a dumb idea. The fact it was poorly executed and a coach like big suit, moustache had disaster results.
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People have got to stop telling themselves Barkley is a great player. He is not and never has been. The moment he strings a couple good games together they should trade him... Hopefully someone else is making the mistake of thinking he's a great player.
Yep. Barkley is a one dimensional player.
“If they can just get him the ball in space” — there’s 100 guys in the league you could say the same for. He’s supposed to be a “gold jacket guy.” True game changers don’t need everything perfect around them to impact.
Giving Barkley a second contract would be a massive mistake.
COuldn't agree more. In fact. I agree with GT as soon as he puts together something worth watching, I'd trade him.
Dj is not a natural. Since he is mistake prone to date maybe the label loser might be accurate .
Our rookie rushing specialist got a sack which is exciting. N Xavier is real good.
Judge's Giants could make some noise
Th eplay calling may or may not be ideal. That said, the players need to execute the plays.
There is no gameplan. No strategy. No identity. You want to be a hard nosed running team? Fine! Get Penny in there, put Saquon behind him and run up the ass of Gates and Hernandez. Then gey saquon in a deep set and run power behind Thomas.
Do it 35 times a game for all i care.
But when you try these weak shotgun runs, it does NOTHING for the OL.
you bring KT in and run jet motion for the first time ever and hand it to him? Like they DIDNT have their eyes peeled to him? Same with then bubble a few plays later
Like, come on?
There is no gameplan. No strategy. No identity. You want to be a hard nosed running team? Fine! Get Penny in there, put Saquon behind him and run up the ass of Gates and Hernandez. Then gey saquon in a deep set and run power behind Thomas.
Do it 35 times a game for all i care.
But when you try these weak shotgun runs, it does NOTHING for the OL.
you bring KT in and run jet motion for the first time ever and hand it to him? Like they DIDNT have their eyes peeled to him? Same with then bubble a few plays later
Like, come on?
There is no offensive plan if the O-line sucks.
Negatives: we play again in 4 days
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There is no gameplan. No strategy. No identity. You want to be a hard nosed running team? Fine! Get Penny in there, put Saquon behind him and run up the ass of Gates and Hernandez. Then gey saquon in a deep set and run power behind Thomas.
Do it 35 times a game for all i care.
But when you try these weak shotgun runs, it does NOTHING for the OL.
you bring KT in and run jet motion for the first time ever and hand it to him? Like they DIDNT have their eyes peeled to him? Same with then bubble a few plays later
Like, come on?
There is no offensive plan if the O-line sucks.
The offensive line was pass blocking fun. They tried to force the run for no reason when it wasn’t working.
Where were the rollouts? Where were the RPOs? Where were the things Jones does well?
Turning him into Eli Manning/Kerry Collins is foolish since he isn’t them!!
They all matter!
Great to know the OL is still a complete and utter disaster. Last year, they were at least able to run-block decently for Gallman. They couldn't block for shit today and somehow looked even worse.
Shurmur made Graham look bad today. I know Shurmur is actually a good OC, but good grief. Their offense was rolling pretty much non-stop today.
I didn't have high hopes coming into this season. But I did think we would win today. Today was a complete disaster in every aspect; coaching, players. We made the Broncos look like a great team...and they're really not. Especially without Chubb and Jeudy out for the entire second half.
Scary.
2. Mara thinks the sun shines out of Barkley’s ass. Not only won’t he be traded, Mara is going to give him a pile of money to hang around.
This team is so screwed it’s laughable. the Wilderness years - redux
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There is no gameplan. No strategy. No identity. You want to be a hard nosed running team? Fine! Get Penny in there, put Saquon behind him and run up the ass of Gates and Hernandez. Then gey saquon in a deep set and run power behind Thomas.
Do it 35 times a game for all i care.
But when you try these weak shotgun runs, it does NOTHING for the OL.
you bring KT in and run jet motion for the first time ever and hand it to him? Like they DIDNT have their eyes peeled to him? Same with then bubble a few plays later
Like, come on?
There is no offensive plan if the O-line sucks.
You can scheme around this. There is plenty of talent on this OL. Ots not that hard but y9u cant be trying to fit square pegs in round holes
As for Garrett, he is as terrible an offensive coordinator as the Giants have had in a long time.
I'd rather trade draft picks for proven GMs.
Gonna be a long, long season.
The D was the big issue today but I and fear the team has the feeling that it’s only a matter of time before he screws up.
I think Garrett gets Thursdays game but if it is another stinker you may need a change to create a sense of urgency.
I believe Graham will gets things in order on D.
DJ didn't look great in the red zone there in the Q4 and he whiffed a bunch of passes in the first half. The hero ball is a little irritating knowing the kind of weapons we have and yet DJ has to scramble up the middle and almost get his block knocked off more than once.
Dj is not a natural. Since he is mistake prone to date maybe the label loser might be accurate .
Our rookie rushing specialist got a sack which is exciting. N Xavier is real good.
Judge's Giants could make some noise
We killed Reese for years for taking skill position over line in the draft. And what was Gettleman's very first pick with #2 overall??? Saquon was a luxury pick that this team could not afford. Now a WR in 2021. In my mind Gettleman is just an extension of the Reese era. The priorities on this team have been mismanaged since Reese - even though ironically we won the Superbowl his first year but that wasn't a team he built.
NY SOGs.
Same Old Giants
Dj is not a natural. Since he is mistake prone to date maybe the label loser might be accurate .
Our rookie rushing specialist got a sack which is exciting. N Xavier is real good.
The problem is the play calling. If you swapped teams and kept Graham and Garrett, we would lose again.
Judge's Giants could make some noise
Dj is not a natural. Since he is mistake prone to date maybe the label loser might be accurate .
Our rookie rushing specialist got a sack which is exciting. N Xavier is real good.
Judge's Giants could make some noise
Barkley's rookie year was 3 years and an ACL ago.
I watch a lot of these games on tape delay. A hallmark of the Gettleman Era is fast forwarding through a lot of the second half and catching the fourth quarter of the Sunday Night Game. It really sucks.
We’re oh so close yet so far away. We’ve been “oh so close” for a few years now. No more moral victories. If we get another 6-10 -ish year then it’s time for a shakeup. I personally think it should be a shakeup in general management. And I would allow Judge to have some input (or at least more input than Ernie Accorsi. I think Judge does like working with DG, but he’s also the type of guy who’s very positive and likely willing to try to make the best of a situation. I don’t see him as the guy going behind DG’s back and telling Mara to can DG. Therefore— it had to be Mara who makes the adult decision to move on from DG. He can say to Judge: look, you can have input in the direction we go in terms of General Management, but it’s NOT going to be DG next year.
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Dude. You are spot on about Jones. He isn't the answer.
What kills me is that the Giants have had opportunities to bring in FA QBs who could actually potentially compete with Jones and supplant him if necessary. Them not doing so seems almost deliberate.
And Baker the same year!
And Toney could go either way -- stud within 2 years or on another team in 5 -- and I wouldn't be shocked.
We’re oh so close yet so far away. We’ve been “oh so close” for a few years now. No more moral victories. If we get another 6-10 -ish year then it’s time for a shakeup. I personally think it should be a shakeup in general management. And I would allow Judge to have some input (or at least more input than Ernie Accorsi. I think Judge does like working with DG, but he’s also the type of guy who’s very positive and likely willing to try to make the best of a situation. I don’t see him as the guy going behind DG’s back and telling Mara to can DG. Therefore— it had to be Mara who makes the adult decision to move on from DG. He can say to Judge: look, you can have input in the direction we go in terms of General Management, but it’s NOT going to be DG next year.
Fuck moral victories. It's been nearly a decade of shit. I don't want moral victories. I want real victories. This game was not pretty, but it was very much a game for a long while. The Giants just never took advantage of that.
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Dude. You are spot on about Jones. He isn't the answer.
What kills me is that the Giants have had opportunities to bring in FA QBs who could actually potentially compete with Jones and supplant him if necessary. Them not doing so seems almost deliberate.
Of course it was deliberate. Jones is on scholarship.
When you get old, there are times when you see things better than the "expert," just because you've been watching the game for 60 years. Picking Barclay was always going to be a mistake. You don't pick a fragile luxury offensive skill player when you can't block for him, or for your quarterback, and you don't have a player on defense that other teams fear.
Engram, OBJ, Hampton, Dayne, Wheatley, Rocky Thompson
LT: instant franchise player