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Why are giants receivers

mitch300 : 9/12/2021 7:51 pm
Always covered and yet the opponents seem to be open. Do all teams play the giants man to man and the giants defense plays zone? I ask this question every year. WTF.
Simple Answer  
bluewave : 9/12/2021 7:54 pm : link
Garrett and his scheme...
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broadbandz : 9/12/2021 7:55 pm : link
just check the route trees on the 22. It's highschool football.
We gave them a cushion all day  
mattlawson : 9/12/2021 7:56 pm : link
Definitely noticed it, didn’t get enough pressure
RE: We gave them a cushion all day  
bluewave : 9/12/2021 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15362665 mattlawson said:
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Definitely noticed it, didn’t get enough pressure


Agree. I thought coverage was way too soft on some of those 3rd and 4th down conversions.
Garret Garret Garret  
Everyone Relax : 9/12/2021 7:57 pm : link
As bad as Jones was with his fumbles under Shurmur, they still had a legit passing attack, and that was with an equally shitty OLine (if not worse).
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BillT : 9/12/2021 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15362662 broadbandz said:
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just check the route trees on the 22. It's highschool football.

If this is true, then it’s Joe Judge that needs to be fired. He’s responsible for it all.
There was one plan in the 3rd quarter  
Giants_West : 9/12/2021 7:59 pm : link
Where i saw multiple linebackers in zone coverage drop to exactly where the receivers where going without even looking at the receiver (or back and te as i think it happened to be that play) and it wasn't even like jones was drawing them that way, the defensive game plan just had that play pegged.
Garrett and his scheme...  
arniefez : 9/12/2021 8:00 pm : link
Is the #1 reason. Short routes. Most of the receivers facing the QB. Very easy to cover especially when it's week after week after week. No pass blocking is reason 1A. No chance to run longer developing routes that force the opposing secondary to cover for more than 2 seconds. But there are other ways to get the ball out quickly than curls right at the sticks.

No pass rush is why the other teams receivers are wide open most of the time. But a soft zone designed to keep everything in front of them makes it even worse.

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Giants_West : 9/12/2021 8:05 pm : link
In comment 15362675 BillT said:
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In comment 15362662 broadbandz said:


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just check the route trees on the 22. It's highschool football.


If this is true, then it’s Joe Judge that needs to be fired. He’s responsible for it all.


Unless Garrett's job is tied to someone above Joe Judge. But even if that is true he is going to lose the team if something doesn't change, and change fast and then it really doesn't matter one way or the other. We are entering threaten to resign or own the consequences time. Especially if what @broadbandz said above is accurate.
Receivers  
Shady Lurker : 9/12/2021 8:10 pm : link
also look more open when you catch them in stride.

Jones throws low and behind a lot, so the receivers need to break out of their route and adjust to the ball. When you need to come back to a poorly thrown ball, NFL CBs will catch up to influence to play or limit the yards after catch
Jones doesn’t get the ball out quick  
RUNYG : 9/12/2021 8:10 pm : link
When you’re QB is going through every read 3x, it’s hard for WRs to get open.
Shurmur has always been a good OC and playcaller  
mfsd : 9/12/2021 8:12 pm : link
And that was on display again today for the Broncos

As for our offense, eh...
Why is the sky blue?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/12/2021 8:14 pm : link
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RE: Receivers  
Giants_West : 9/12/2021 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15362735 Shady Lurker said:
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also look more open when you catch them in stride.

Jones throws low and behind a lot, so the receivers need to break out of their route and adjust to the ball. When you need to come back to a poorly thrown ball, NFL CBs will catch up to influence to play or limit the yards after catch


Routs have to be designed to do that. Ours aren't. It doesn't matter if you are releasing the ball quick if the the route concepts have all of your receivers coming out if their breaks to a stop with waiting defenders short of the sticks.
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BillT : 9/12/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15362711 Giants_West said:
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In comment 15362662 broadbandz said:


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just check the route trees on the 22. It's highschool football.


If this is true, then it’s Joe Judge that needs to be fired. He’s responsible for it all.



Unless Garrett's job is tied to someone above Joe Judge. But even if that is true he is going to lose the team if something doesn't change, and change fast and then it really doesn't matter one way or the other. We are entering threaten to resign or own the consequences time. Especially if what @broadbandz said above is accurate.

Thing is we’ve seen Garrett’s offense in other places. I’m no expert but I don’t think they looked like this. And Garrett does what Judge tells him to do no matter who hired him.
RE: We gave them a cushion all day  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/12/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15362665 mattlawson said:
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Definitely noticed it, didn’t get enough pressure


We invested in all the DBs and decide to play off allowing 8 minutes drives. My goodness I've liked PG as DC, but good grief it's as if he had no idea how to stop that pedestrian offense.
No crossing routes, no pick  
Justlurking : 9/12/2021 8:21 pm : link
Plays no vertical routes…just buttonhooks and weird fades towards the sidelines. Horrific scheme.
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Justlurking : 9/12/2021 8:22 pm : link
In comment 15362662 broadbandz said:
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just check the route trees on the 22. It's highschool football.


Can’t agree more. It’s horrific.
Shepard showed up today  
US1 Giants : 9/12/2021 8:23 pm : link
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RE: RE: We gave them a cushion all day  
Hammer : 9/12/2021 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15362780 Mdgiantsfan said:
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In comment 15362665 mattlawson said:


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Definitely noticed it, didn’t get enough pressure



We invested in all the DBs and decide to play off allowing 8 minutes drives. My goodness I've liked PG as DC, but good grief it's as if he had no idea how to stop that pedestrian offense.


I thought we invested in all those defensive backs so we could play more man and find ways to get to the passer.

I'm sick and tired of all the losing.
answer: because our LB's are so slow they can't  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/12/2021 8:33 pm : link
cover the middle of zone or catch up in space
This offense is unexplainably bad.  
mittenedman : 9/12/2021 8:36 pm : link
They make getting 1st downs look impossible. Everything's a grind. Jones is terrible at finding completions to extend drives.

The Broncos are a middling offense. They look like they're playing another sport.
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