Bye Danny. Thank God we have the Bears #1

...what was your beer of choice today?

It was like 30% Broncos fans

Strong stuff

that would be 7 less games we would be subjected to.

owns the team. You know that, right?

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owns the team. You know that, right?

Yeah but since he changed his title, this team sucks. He should stick to ownership and keep his meddling little hands out of everything else

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Strong stuff

Been to brewery. Great spot.

Also, this team blows.

There's no clear franchise QB in this year's draft. We're going to package the Justin Fields pick for a QB who isn't as good as Justin Fields.

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In comment 15362647 I Love Clams Casino said: Quote: Strong stuff Been to brewery. Great spot. Also, this team blows.

I love it.

Raging Bitch By Flying Dog brewery is another one I like. My

Joe pischarchek impersonation. Don’t forget along with the fumble he threw two other passes right into Denver d back’s hands……danny, is a horrible, inept nfl starting qb. Ironically, if he plays 16 more games the giants may end up with a very high draft pick……and along with that getting DG fired, it will also facilitate the giants picking a new qb!

No QB could perform well in Garretts offense

Jones had one bad play yet he was constantly put in the unenviable position of third and long

The receivers do not get separation
The routes are awful
Other teams do not use curl routes or button hooks
This is a staple of the offense

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No QB could perform well in Garretts offense Jones had one bad play yet he was constantly put in the unenviable position of third and long The receivers do not get separation The routes are awful Other teams do not use curl routes or button hooks This is a staple of the offense

I don’t know what it is…

But I have an idea…

There has been one constant since our last winning season of 2011. The entire front office has been turned upside down since then. Giants have a completely new coaching staff….completely new players…even the scouts, …….gone. The only constant is Chris Mara

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No QB could perform well in Garretts offense Jones had one bad play yet he was constantly put in the unenviable position of third and long The receivers do not get separation The routes are awful Other teams do not use curl routes or button hooks This is a staple of the offense

Please take off the blinders.

Nothing is ever on Jones with you people.

Maybe the next GM after DG will toss him a bone and get an OL or two.

What's next? Maybe we draft another QB and force him to wear Jones' uniform?

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There's no clear franchise QB in this year's draft. We're going to package the Justin Fields pick for a QB who isn't as good as Justin Fields.

That will likely change by the 22 draft

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In comment 15362700 Archer said: Quote: No QB could perform well in Garretts offense Jones had one bad play yet he was constantly put in the unenviable position of third and long The receivers do not get separation The routes are awful Other teams do not use curl routes or button hooks This is a staple of the offense I don’t know what it is… But I have an idea… There has been one constant since our last winning season of 2011. The entire front office has been turned upside down since then. Giants have a completely new coaching staff….completely new players…even the scouts, …….gone. The only constant is Chris Mara

Not just Chris Mara, but the entire ownership team

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No QB could perform well in Garretts offense Jones had one bad play yet he was constantly put in the unenviable position of third and long The receivers do not get separation The routes are awful Other teams do not use curl routes or button hooks This is a staple of the offense

I sat in 323 today and agree - our offensive scheme is beyond atrocious. Button hooks and curls all day against man coverage. Makes zero sense. Garrett is horrific

Rams

The awful shame about all this is this team has alot of talent and yet the coaching is so bad it is actually souring the talent on the field.

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In comment 15362728 I Love Clams Casino said: Quote: In comment 15362700 Archer said: Quote: Not just Chris Mara, but the entire ownership team

I fear you may be correct

I'm considering not watching.

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In comment 15362660 Dave on the UWS said: Quote: owns the team. You know that, right? Yeah but since he changed his title, this team sucks. He should stick to ownership and keep his meddling little hands out of everything else

Tim McDonnell (his nephew) also needs to get out of personnel.

the 2011 Giants were the dying embers of the organizational structure George Young put into place when Wellington was excommunicated after the 1978 season by Pete Rozelle.

Once Wellington and Bob Tisch both died in 2005 John and Chris Mara slowly began to take over the football side of the business. Ernie saw the writing on the wall and quit. But he left the Giants the foundation of two Super Bowl teams.

Look at how the Giants have been run since 2012 with 4 different coaches, 2 different GM's and results that continue to get worse and worse and ask yourself what hasn't changed with all that change? How can it change? John and Chris are the owners and they're not going anywhere. There is no Tim J Mara to start a family war and Pete Rozelle isn't walking through the door.

I'm a very very lucky Giant fan. I have seen every Super Bowl since 1966. I was born just at the right time to watch the entire evolution of the NFL Super Bowl era so far. I lived through the 15 year Wellington lost weekend and survived it to see Giants Camelot with the Parcells, Simms, LT, Bavaro, Carson and Banks teams. The two Eli Super Bowls were gravy after that and a shocking unexpected glorious surprise.

Since Parcells left after the 1990 season 31 years ago the Giants have won a playoff game in 4 out 30 seasons. A model of success they are not. If someone asked who has played in more championship games in the Super Bowl era the Giants or Jets how many people would know it's a tie? Both teams have played in 5. The Giants won all 5 of theirs and 4 out 5 Super Bowls. Like I said I've been very lucky enough to enjoy all of them.

But I give up hope now. I'll still live and die with the Giants for the 3.5 hours every week that they play. I'll post and rant here as a release from the frustration but I have zero hope things are going to get any better. Today was a disaster. Not one game. A continuation of an organizational disaster on every level.

Jones is what most of us think he is. He lacks elite arm talent and is slow to process the field. He has no protection and that highlights his flaws. The OL is as bad or worse than ever. Barkley is a finesse RB with no one to block for him. He's all sizzle no steak. Lawrence is what he's been since he was picked 17th with Montez Sweat on the board a 2 down run stuffer nothing more. Worthless on passing downs for a team with no pass rush. Andrew Thomas seemed to hold his own today from what I could tell on passing downs, there was no run blocking by anyone, but he's not an elite talent either. All of these guys were premium picks and the Giants haven't hit on a single one.

Going back to my overriding point how do you fire the owners from running the selection of the players the Giants draft? The Giants just promoted another Mara family member into a higher position in the Player Personnel department. The answer is you can't and here we are with no hope it will get better.

Changing the GM is window dressing and a fall guy to deflect from the real problem which is the owners are GMing. No different than Jones in Dallas or Snyder in Washington except the Mara's from the outside don't seem like heinous human beings. A few more early season games like this and things can get away from Joe Judge very quickly and he'll be in jeopardy too no matter what John Mara said before the season started.

Of course it's just one game. Dave Gettleman is 15-34. Joe Judge is 6-11. Daniel Jones is 8-19 with 40 turnovers.

But it's just one game and don't forget in 2007 the Giants started 0-2. So why worry?

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In comment 15362700 Archer said: Quote: No QB could perform well in Garretts offense Jones had one bad play yet he was constantly put in the unenviable position of third and long The receivers do not get separation The routes are awful Other teams do not use curl routes or button hooks This is a staple of the offense Please take off the blinders. Nothing is ever on Jones with you people.

Jones stepped into a bad situation but good qbs elevate bad teams. He doenst. He teases us with good drives and ALWAYS makes drive/game killing bone headed plays. I was a Jones defender but he’s not good

isn't the only problem, but as others have noted, he made yet another killer mistake in the red zone which basically ended any chance of winning. He also nearly had two other passes intercepted and is still locking on to receivers.He had no running game, his OL is poor, and Garrett's play calling is awful, but Jones needs to be long past these problems. As I said, I want to see where Jones is in a month before making any conclusions, but this game encapsulated all of his problems.

I wrote the same thing in an earlier post, although a shorter version. It’s the Maras. Decent people, too decent in fact. That’s why they don’t get enough blame for being poor owners like Dolan, Jones and Snyder. But being nice guys shouldn’t make you impervious to criticism and demands to get your hands out of the football product when it is obvious after these past 10 years of NY Giants football pornography that such criticism is both warranted and needed.