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Judge lost his 1st post game presser just now too

cpgiants : 9/12/2021 8:04 pm
1. Said he saw lots of positives.
2. Said he thought Saquon moved very well
3. Said Lemieux played well.
4. Said he knew he couldnt throw the red flag on a scoring play but just wanted to get the officials'attention
5. Said the Broncos are a good team
6. Said Bridgewater is a good quarterback (first win in 5 years)
7. Said the Denver offense created good matchups (we played mostly zone)
8. Said our pass rush was good today

All is not lost, but these are strange takes from a guy who usually dominates press conferences....
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Today was the day my opinion of Judge changed.  
The_Boss : 9/12/2021 8:16 pm : link
Should this thing go off the rails, and I mean less than 6 wins which might very well happen, him being included in any potential housecleaning wouldn’t upset me in the least. He talks a big game, but the same issues remain game after game after fucking game…
4 is not a good look  
BestFeature : 9/12/2021 8:17 pm : link
The rest is coach speak. As someone said you don't throw the team under the bus after the first game of the season. That's how you lose the team. But yeah, 4 makes no sense. He wasted a timeout on something that wouldn't have been overturned even if he could challenge just to get the ref's attention? It sounds like it was a bit of tantrum that he threw and I'm very surprised he's not admitting to it being a mistake especially since it sounds like that he does believe the coaching sucks.
*the coaching sucked  
BestFeature : 9/12/2021 8:17 pm : link
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RE: Wow...  
japanhead : 9/12/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15362754 prdave73 said:
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Smh.. Matt Rhule should have been the Giants HC? But that's the Giants always late and missing the boat.


giants had a shot at rhule. it was a money thing.
Joe Judge is just a cursing Alpha male on sideline and has no  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/12/2021 8:18 pm : link
ability to make adjustments or direct his own staff during the game. That was evident today
Giving up on Judge  
joeinpa : 9/12/2021 8:24 pm : link
That s so predictable, pathetic, but predictable.
RE: So he forfeited a time out  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15362731 jeff57 said:
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Just to get the officials’ attention?


It might have been less embarrassing to admit he doesn’t know the rules. WTF is the purpose of trading a time out to get the refs attention on a p,any they already reviewed?

Great accountability there, coach.
Nope.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/12/2021 8:31 pm : link
Nothing to see here folks.

Move along.
I did enjoy when he cursed out Holmes for his  
Jimmy Googs : 9/12/2021 8:33 pm : link
crappy play and unneeded penalty out of bounds.

That’s good coaching...
The challenge flag was a tantrum by Judge  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2021 8:33 pm : link
He threw it out of frustration and it cost a time-out. The only reason that didn’t matter is because of how soundly they got dominated.

Disappointing to see him not simply admit that he made a mistake and apologize. I guess excuses are part of the Giants new culture.
Poor outing all around  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/12/2021 8:34 pm : link
Let’s put the brakes ousting the HC for now.

Great opportunity for him Thursday. On the road, short week against a division opponent. Let’s see how he gets the team prepared. I think we’ll learn a lot more.
Poor outing all around  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/12/2021 8:34 pm : link
Let’s put the brakes ousting the HC for now.

Great opportunity for him Thursday. On the road, short week against a division opponent. Let’s see how he gets the team prepared. I think we’ll learn a lot more.
RE: The challenge flag was a tantrum by Judge  
BrettNYG10 : 9/12/2021 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15362860 Mike from Ohio said:
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He threw it out of frustration and it cost a time-out. The only reason that didn’t matter is because of how soundly they got dominated.

Disappointing to see him not simply admit that he made a mistake and apologize. I guess excuses are part of the Giants new culture.


I was really pissed about it. You can’t do that with second half timeouts, especially.

One game doesn’t make or break a head coach. I hope he learns from it as emotions temper down tomorrow.
RE: Giving up on Judge  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2021 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15362812 joeinpa said:
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That s so predictable, pathetic, but predictable.


I called it.

Very predictable.
RE: RE: Giving up on Judge  
Silver Spoon : 9/12/2021 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15362879 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15362812 joeinpa said:


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That s so predictable, pathetic, but predictable.



I called it.

Very predictable.


What do you expect? This team has been horse shit for years and looked like complete garbage today. But, nothing to see here.
That we lost in embarrassing fashion  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/12/2021 8:41 pm : link
very predictable.
RE: RE: Giving up on Judge  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/12/2021 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15362879 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15362812 joeinpa said:


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That s so predictable, pathetic, but predictable.



I called it.

Very predictable.


He didn't inspire confidence today. Also, he needs to fire Garrett tomorrow.
If this thing unravels, I don't mind Judge going.  
FStubbs : 9/12/2021 8:45 pm : link
I haven't seen anything to make me want to keep him.
RE: Poor outing all around  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/12/2021 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15362864 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Let’s put the brakes ousting the HC for now.

Great opportunity for him Thursday. On the road, short week against a division opponent. Let’s see how he gets the team prepared. I think we’ll learn a lot more.


Exactly, but to be honest looking at the schedule, I was planning on giving way more leeway going 0-2, but after that BS they better win. I think Broncos are a 10 win team this year, but that was pretty lame.
Not giving up on Judge  
Gman11 : 9/12/2021 8:53 pm : link
but he shouldn't try to bullshit the fans.

Denver punted once - ONCE until the one at the end of the game.

Denver converted 3 of 3 fourth downs and 7 of 15 third downs.
So, three of the failed third downs were converted on 4th meaning they really converted 10 of 15.

The Broncos won 5 games last season. Five. Bridgewater a good QB? He couldn't get a starting job in NFL since his injury in Minnesota.

The pass rush was only good when they sent a bunch of people which opened up the middle for big gains. They got two sacks and on one Bridgewater was just bumped and lost his balance.

Does he really want us to believe that shit he said?

RE: RE: Giving up on Judge  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/12/2021 8:54 pm : link
In comment 15362879 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15362812 joeinpa said:


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That s so predictable, pathetic, but predictable.



I called it.

Very predictable.


I’m not giving up on Judge but I was certain he was the guy before. Now there’s a shadow of doubt. The only game I had issue with him last year was Cards. This is worse and magnified when you have all year to prep. His in game decision making was awful and he had two coordinators that were on totally different pages. I expect more from a guy that isn’t a specialist.
I am certainly  
crick n NC : 9/12/2021 8:55 pm : link
not giving up on Judge. Just a surprisingly disappointing game. He's still very young.
Judge  
mittenedman : 9/12/2021 8:56 pm : link
and his coaching staff got bent over a f#cking barrel today. We all like Judge but he better start winning soon or the walls are going to start closing in. There is now a book on him too after being a relative unknown.

I still can't get over that reverse to Toney following the bomb to Slayton. At Von Miller, to the short side of the field.
RE: Not giving up on Judge  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/12/2021 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15362988 Gman11 said:
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but he shouldn't try to bullshit the fans.

Denver punted once - ONCE until the one at the end of the game.

Denver converted 3 of 3 fourth downs and 7 of 15 third downs.
So, three of the failed third downs were converted on 4th meaning they really converted 10 of 15.

The Broncos won 5 games last season. Five. Bridgewater a good QB? He couldn't get a starting job in NFL since his injury in Minnesota.

The pass rush was only good when they sent a bunch of people which opened up the middle for big gains. They got two sacks and on one Bridgewater was just bumped and lost his balance.

Does he really want us to believe that shit he said?


The Broncos are going to win 10 games this year. Still, you shouldn’t get handled like that at home against anyone outside of the elite if you are any good.
RE: Judge  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/12/2021 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15363003 mittenedman said:
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and his coaching staff got bent over a f#cking barrel today. We all like Judge but he better start winning soon or the walls are going to start closing in. There is now a book on him too after being a relative unknown.

I still can't get over that reverse to Toney following the bomb to Slayton. At Von Miller, to the short side of the field.


Yeah I don’t get that either, but It’s going to be a work in progress when you have two new weapons to work with.
Don’t be upset with Judge that he made a bad decision on the  
Jimmy Googs : 9/12/2021 9:00 pm : link
challenge or the presser.

Be upset that he and his coaches didn’t have the team ready to play today...
I would also throw Graham in there too  
mittenedman : 9/12/2021 9:04 pm : link
the "Black Picasso". This D never got a handle on the Broncos and should've given up 35+ points. They looked pedestrian.

You can't blame the offense either, part of the reason they were gassed is they couldn't make a stop. That was not a top 10 defense.
I don’t see Judge as the problem  
WillVAB : 9/12/2021 9:07 pm : link
But his coordinators are a problem. There’s enough tape on Graham now that his bullshit is figured out. If he keeps running that crap zone the defense is going to get torched worse than they were torched today.
I don’t think folks are giving up on Judge  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2021 9:11 pm : link
At least for me, I was disappointed that he made a stupid mental mistake like that. It is a little more frustrating when he then explains it was some kind of strategic decision he made. It was a mistake. Admit it and move on.

Through the last year or so, the one positive was that we found our coach. It’s still very possible we have. But this was the first time I found myself questioning that.
RE: I don’t think folks are giving up on Judge  
crick n NC : 9/12/2021 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15363064 Mike from Ohio said:
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At least for me, I was disappointed that he made a stupid mental mistake like that. It is a little more frustrating when he then explains it was some kind of strategic decision he made. It was a mistake. Admit it and move on.

Through the last year or so, the one positive was that we found our coach. It’s still very possible we have. But this was the first time I found myself questioning that.


On the money with this post.
Graham had a bad game against a good Coordinator  
AcesUp : 9/12/2021 9:14 pm : link
I'd hold off on judging him. We're playing uphill with Garrett though, he's not good enough to coach without talent. There's a reason Moore took over the offense when he was HC. Judge needs to be more aggressive in-game but I haven't seen anything beyond that to cause for concern.
Coach Parcells…..  
thrunthrublue : 9/12/2021 9:14 pm : link
He ain’t…. Judge’s fast talking car dealer cadence is wearing thin as he sells us a car with sawdust in the transmission…..BB must be chuckling having dealt two castoffs solder and judge to the giants!
Coach Parcells…..  
thrunthrublue : 9/12/2021 9:15 pm : link
He ain’t…. Judge’s fast talking car dealer cadence is wearing thin as he sells us a car with sawdust in the transmission…..BB must be chuckling having dealt two castoffs solder and judge to the giants!
I don’t think press conferences are a big deal  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/12/2021 9:16 pm : link
What matters is you watch the film, get the staff together and put your plan together. Then you prepare and motivate your team.

I do think a loss and especially a big loss is going to magnify the heat b
big time.

As bad as this loss was a win on Thursday quickly changes the outlook but it’s a big game for him imv.
Judge is just a cursing Alpha male on sideline.  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/12/2021 9:17 pm : link
He cant make in game adjustments. Also the flag throw just shows he is a spoiled coach that didn’t get his way and wanted attention from ref not keeping in mind the context of the game. Judge is now Tom Landry
Meant not tom landry  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/12/2021 9:18 pm : link
I hate typing
Judge  
GF1080 : 9/12/2021 9:20 pm : link
I think the problem is even the pessimistic fans look at Judge as the guy who knows what he's doing and after today we have to doubt that also. Did he really say that in the presser? Not a good look at all in his 2nd year. He loves to come off as the most prepared.
Judge is in an impossible spot  
Go Terps : 9/12/2021 9:20 pm : link
He inherited idiots at GM and in ownership. He inherited their terribly draft picks that were viewed as franchise pillars. The owner foisted an incompetent offensive coordinator on him.

I don't believe you can fully evaluate Judge until Gettleman, Garrett, Jones, and Barkley are gone.
RE: Judge is in an impossible spot  
Sean : 9/12/2021 9:26 pm : link
In comment 15363105 Go Terps said:
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He inherited idiots at GM and in ownership. He inherited their terribly draft picks that were viewed as franchise pillars. The owner foisted an incompetent offensive coordinator on him.

I don't believe you can fully evaluate Judge until Gettleman, Garrett, Jones, and Barkley are gone.

It’s so much bigger than the coaches. Mara can keep switching out coaches every two seasons, but until the personnel department is overhauled, nothing will change.

John Mara thinks he is the pillar of a football family, but he’s not. Hire football people to run personnel, get out of the way & just write the checks.

I’m hopeful for Judge, but Garrett has to go. He needs to truly do it his way. I can’t be convinced that Garrett is a Judge guy.
Also, Terps..  
Sean : 9/12/2021 9:27 pm : link
I remember you saying that McAdoo was coaching with one hand behind his back in 2017. 4 years later, nothing has changed.
RE: Judge is in an impossible spot  
GF1080 : 9/12/2021 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15363105 Go Terps said:
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He inherited idiots at GM and in ownership. He inherited their terribly draft picks that were viewed as franchise pillars. The owner foisted an incompetent offensive coordinator on him.

I don't believe you can fully evaluate Judge until Gettleman, Garrett, Jones, and Barkley are gone.


I agree with this but that challenge flag casts a lot of doubt in him now also. Everyone knew you could not challenge that!
mittenedman  
arniefez : 9/12/2021 9:32 pm : link
Joe Judge broke my heart today. I've seen every NY Giant coach since Allie Sherman and I have never a worse coaching job by one of them ever and that covers a lot of ground. I've seen just as bad but never worse.

Let's start with the macro side of it. Jason Garrett is still running the same offense that was 31st in the NFL last year and Graham is still playing a scared soft zone trying to keep everything in front of the DB's with zero pass rush. The Giants didn't get a single blitz home today and they blitzed a lot.

How has Judge not taken over the offense? Listen to any of the dozen Giant podcasts with arm chair all 22 film watchers and they can see how easy is it to defend all the short routes to the sticks with the receiver facing the QB and Joe Judge can't see this?

How does Judge let the Giants go into this season without adding a decent OL from outside the organization, draft or FA, after last year and pass rushers?

As far as today goes on a thread before the games today started I said please use Barkley and especially Toney as decoys early in the game. Since they're going to play limited snaps the other team is going to expect them to get the ball when they are on the field. I'm just a guy who sits on my couch and screams at the TV. How do I know this but Judge and Garrett don't?
RE: Graham had a bad game against a good Coordinator  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/12/2021 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15363075 AcesUp said:
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I'd hold off on judging him. We're playing uphill with Garrett though, he's not good enough to coach without talent. There's a reason Moore took over the offense when he was HC. Judge needs to be more aggressive in-game but I haven't seen anything beyond that to cause for concern.


Graham needs to start coaching like we went out and bought him a second corner. We aren’t going to be able to stop teams on 3rd and 4th and short like we did last year without Dalvin anymore. We also aren’t going to win the early downs as convincingly. This let them drive the whole field shit and settle for points needs to go now we got a second corner. It also makes it very difficult on an offense with a shaky line to find any rythym when they sit on the bench forever.
A lot to fix, he's going to protect his team in the media  
JonC : 9/12/2021 9:44 pm : link
The OL stinks, Jones' ball protection pops up, WRs who lose battles against their man and disappear, a defense that cannot stop a pedestrian QB or running game. Bridgewater picked them apart like he knew everything Graham would call.

Giants played and coached a low football IQ performance today. Poor in-game awareness, coordinators got whipped, made Bridgewater and the Broncos look like they were the only NFL team on the field today.
RE: RE: Graham had a bad game against a good Coordinator  
AcesUp : 9/12/2021 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15363182 Zeke's Alibi said:
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I'd hold off on judging him. We're playing uphill with Garrett though, he's not good enough to coach without talent. There's a reason Moore took over the offense when he was HC. Judge needs to be more aggressive in-game but I haven't seen anything beyond that to cause for concern.



Graham needs to start coaching like we went out and bought him a second corner. We aren’t going to be able to stop teams on 3rd and 4th and short like we did last year without Dalvin anymore. We also aren’t going to win the early downs as convincingly. This let them drive the whole field shit and settle for points needs to go now we got a second corner. It also makes it very difficult on an offense with a shaky line to find any rythym when they sit on the bench forever.


We were fine on early downs but horrific on 3rd and 4th and long. No argument that he had a bad game though, way too passive and it felt like he didn't adjust to the shift in the talent on this defense. He needed to be more aggressive and that didn't come until we were basically dead.
Graham said he  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/12/2021 9:48 pm : link
Was most concerned with the run game. He thought it would take a couple weeks. Jackson missed most of camp. We have a rookie edge and two edge guys not playing in a year. Little patience here.

Now offense. Judge made changes to the staff. I think if the O doesn’t rebound big on Thursday Garrett’s gone. You have 10 days thereafter to adjust.
RE: RE: Graham had a bad game against a good Coordinator  
WillVAB : 9/12/2021 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15363182 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15363075 AcesUp said:


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I'd hold off on judging him. We're playing uphill with Garrett though, he's not good enough to coach without talent. There's a reason Moore took over the offense when he was HC. Judge needs to be more aggressive in-game but I haven't seen anything beyond that to cause for concern.



Graham needs to start coaching like we went out and bought him a second corner. We aren’t going to be able to stop teams on 3rd and 4th and short like we did last year without Dalvin anymore. We also aren’t going to win the early downs as convincingly. This let them drive the whole field shit and settle for points needs to go now we got a second corner. It also makes it very difficult on an offense with a shaky line to find any rythym when they sit on the bench forever.


That “second corner” wasn’t worth a shit today.
Adoree and Holmes were awful  
JonC : 9/12/2021 9:51 pm : link
leading the low IQ charge. Alot of hero ball by the DBs, Edges stink while Ojulari shows some promise he made a bone head error.
RE: RE: Not giving up on Judge  
santacruzom : 9/13/2021 1:24 am : link
In comment 15363011 Zeke's Alibi said:
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The Broncos are going to win 10 games this year.


They may, but they play the NFC East which ought to constitute at least 3 of those wins.
Look, today was not a good look  
Matt M. : 9/13/2021 1:49 am : link
not for Judge. Not for the rest of the coaching staff. Not for the players on either side of the ball. But, most of that list was coach speak. The one that bothers me the most was #4. That was just a mistake on many levels. But, talk of giving up on Judge already is silly and premature, in my opinion.

Last year was a dismal season at 6 wins. But, there were also things that happened to indicate better was on the horizon. I would like to see where things go the next few weeks before I am ready to get to that point. That said, if they looking up at 1-3 or 0-4, and the wolves are circling, I woldn't blame them.
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