for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

A few observations about today's game

M.S. : 9/12/2021 8:19 pm


THAT was just about the most ominous opening-day loss that BBIers could have ever conceived?

Why?

Because all the terrible things that have been Giants football for a very long time were all front-and-center against Denver.

(1) A pathetic offense that cannot establish any time of possession, nor any rhythm to the game because the offensive line is simply inadequate to the task;

(2) A defense that cannot generate any pass rush unless Patrick Graham dials us some secondary guy crashing the edge, which then exposes our secondary;

(3) A secondary in which this franchise has invested too many draft choices and, yet, can not cover a one-legged turtle over the middle;

(4) A try-hard QB who made some very nice throws, but also -- wait for it -- fumbled the ball for the umpteenth time on a critical series.

I'm not going to say that a loss like today exposes in 3-D detail how abysmal this franchise really is.

But until proven otherwise, this franchise probably needs to be gutted and then rebuilt from the ground floor up.

1964-1980.
Yes  
Shady Lurker : 9/12/2021 8:20 pm : link
.
New coaches, new players  
cjac : 9/12/2021 8:22 pm : link
Same shit
A Very Discouraging Effort  
terptacular : 9/12/2021 8:24 pm : link
Of that there is no doubt. Looking at the bright side, maybe we over indexed on the "let's not play these guys in preseason". The offense was completely out of synch. Well Rudolph, Limeaux, Toney, Barkley, Golliday, etc barely played with the team thus far.

That being said, they have a short week to prep for a divisional opponent and better get things worked out right quick.
Agree 1000%  
prdave73 : 9/12/2021 8:25 pm : link
Thanks DG! You are an brilliant GM..

This was making me livid especially since we keep ignoring what made this Giants team so successful in the past, the trenches on both side of the ball. Giants won 2 freakin Super bowls with having great Dlines & Olines, and the Franchise can't follow the same formula???!
Giants  
Steve in Greenwich : 9/12/2021 8:26 pm : link
Had 2 three an outs all game. The time of possession wasn’t on the offense, it was a horrible freaking game by the d that is supposed to carry us. That offense of the Broncos probably has the worst fire power of any team we will face all year, and the d totally shit the bed.
Beat WFT  
US1 Giants : 9/12/2021 8:28 pm : link
.
This game  
WillVAB : 9/12/2021 8:28 pm : link
Should make all of the advanced stats dorks STFU about how to build a defense. There’s been plenty of posters here supporting the litany of moves the Giants made in the secondary. None of those players made an impact and got torched all day long. The defense would’ve been just the same with 5 UDFA’s back there today.

This defense needs edge talent in the worst way. There’s a reason why the Watt’s and Bosa’s of the world get insane contracts.

This entire roster has been rebuilt ass backwards and people wonder why they suck year in year out.

RE: Giants  
M.S. : 9/12/2021 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15362822 Steve in Greenwich said:
Quote:
Had 2 three an outs all game. The time of possession wasn’t on the offense, it was a horrible freaking game by the d that is supposed to carry us. That offense of the Broncos probably has the worst fire power of any team we will face all year, and the d totally shit the bed.

No doubt our defense sucked today and certainly was a factor in the T.O.P.. But the offensive line looked broken, stepped on and then simply defeated on numerous occasions. Just an entire team effort of awful football.
Same shit different season  
Gman11 : 9/12/2021 8:31 pm : link
I said it in a now deleted thread, but it's the truth. The defense couldn't make a stop. The offense couldn't score. They make a middling QB look like a Hall of Famer. Jones padded his stats in garbage time. Check that, because all game was garbage time.

How many times do the Giants get a first down when they start inside their own 5? What about their opponents?

I don't care if it's just the first game. Show me where the team improved over last year. It's not like they were playing a team that went to the Super Bowl last year either.

It's sickening.
RE: This game  
M.S. : 9/12/2021 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15362835 WillVAB said:
Quote:
Should make all of the advanced stats dorks STFU about how to build a defense. There’s been plenty of posters here supporting the litany of moves the Giants made in the secondary. None of those players made an impact and got torched all day long. The defense would’ve been just the same with 5 UDFA’s back there today.

This defense needs edge talent in the worst way. There’s a reason why the Watt’s and Bosa’s of the world get insane contracts.

This entire roster has been rebuilt ass backwards and people wonder why they suck year in year out.

Definitely built ass backwards, probably because too many asses are associated with this franchise from top to bottom.
RE: Same shit different season  
M.S. : 9/12/2021 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15362845 Gman11 said:
Quote:
I said it in a now deleted thread, but it's the truth. The defense couldn't make a stop. The offense couldn't score. They make a middling QB look like a Hall of Famer. Jones padded his stats in garbage time. Check that, because all game was garbage time.

How many times do the Giants get a first down when they start inside their own 5? What about their opponents?

I don't care if it's just the first game. Show me where the team improved over last year. It's not like they were playing a team that went to the Super Bowl last year either.

It's sickening.

I hear ya! It was, indeed, very sickening and an ominous way to start the season!

VERY OMINOUS.

The worst part about this it looked like we got the worst of 2019  
BestFeature : 9/12/2021 8:36 pm : link
and the worst of 2020 in one game. Last year more games than not we could at least point at the defense and say that they were playing well. Where do we point to this season? Absolutely no silver lining in this game. Who played well? The only hope I have is that this is the Niners game from last year where looked inexplicably inept. But before that Niners game we had two games where at least some players played well. This game there's literally nothing positive to look at.
Also ominous is the exact word  
BestFeature : 9/12/2021 8:37 pm : link
Had a very Cowboys in 2017 feel. Except I think that Cowboys team was pretty good.
I think the defense  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/12/2021 8:38 pm : link
Deserves the chance to rebound. Perhaps to much reading of the positive press clippings. I think Graham gets them to respond.

Now Jones and the O……
RE: The worst part about this it looked like we got the worst of 2019  
M.S. : 9/12/2021 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15362878 BestFeature said:
Quote:
and the worst of 2020 in one game. Last year more games than not we could at least point at the defense and say that they were playing well. Where do we point to this season? Absolutely no silver lining in this game. Who played well? The only hope I have is that this is the Niners game from last year where looked inexplicably inept. But before that Niners game we had two games where at least some players played well. This game there's literally nothing positive to look at.

Just a deflating 3 hours of shit football up and down this roster and coaching staff.

Unadulterated shit.
RE: I think the defense  
M.S. : 9/12/2021 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15362895 Lines of Scrimmage said:
Quote:
Deserves the chance to rebound. Perhaps to much reading of the positive press clippings. I think Graham gets them to respond.

Now Jones and the O……

Unfortunately, it's a synergy game. And if the continued lousy play of our o-line prevents us from at least partially controlling the clock, well, then, the defense is going to shatter pretty quickly, especially with no legitimate pass rush!
Great  
AcidTest : 9/12/2021 8:42 pm : link
post. Agree completely.
The defense was unbelievably bad  
BillT : 9/12/2021 8:42 pm : link
And we’re see this group last year play good football and we are arguably better personnel wise. Just don’t get it. Makes no sense. Is this a week one glitch?
RE: I think the defense  
WillVAB : 9/12/2021 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15362895 Lines of Scrimmage said:
Quote:
Deserves the chance to rebound. Perhaps to much reading of the positive press clippings. I think Graham gets them to respond.

Now Jones and the O……


The offense didn’t give up an 8 minute drive to start the 2nd half.

This is a soft defense that can’t get a stop or big play when they need it.
RE: The defense was unbelievably bad  
M.S. : 9/12/2021 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15362927 BillT said:
Quote:
And we’re see this group last year play good football and we are arguably better personnel wise. Just don’t get it. Makes no sense. Is this a week one glitch?

I don't think it's a 1-week glitch. But I guess we need to let the season unfold, and then at year's end tally up how many games we were competitive in, and how many games looked like today.

You couldn’t have scripted  
joeinpa : 9/12/2021 8:58 pm : link
A game that would have frustrated Giants fans any better than the game played
Anyone with even dim powers of observation  
M.S. : 9/12/2021 9:00 pm : link

KNEW the Giants didn't do anything off-season to improve their O-line, nor anything to improve their pass rush (save for maybe Ojulari.)

And along with a horrific secondary effort today, you have the reasons for such an abysmal start to what may turn out to be another abysmal season.
RE: You couldn’t have scripted  
M.S. : 9/12/2021 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15363014 joeinpa said:
Quote:
A game that would have frustrated Giants fans any better than the game played

A very, very bitter script. And, unfortunately, it seems like one that could have been read even before the first snap of the game.
RE: You couldn’t have scripted  
Sean : 9/12/2021 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15363014 joeinpa said:
Quote:
A game that would have frustrated Giants fans any better than the game played

And we all have the right to be frustrated. Awful performance, and another killer turnover from Jones.
RE: You couldn’t have scripted  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/12/2021 9:05 pm : link
In comment 15363014 joeinpa said:
Quote:
A game that would have frustrated Giants fans any better than the game played


Absolutely. It was like it checked off a list of frustrations from the O Line to not covering a TE.
RE: RE: You couldn’t have scripted  
M.S. : 9/12/2021 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15363038 Sean said:
Quote:
In comment 15363014 joeinpa said:


Quote:


A game that would have frustrated Giants fans any better than the game played


And we all have the right to be frustrated. Awful performance, and another killer turnover from Jones.

Yep... just drives me f-ing crazy. Very frustrating!
This team blows  
lester : 9/12/2021 9:58 pm : link
So just stop watching
It was good news bad news for me  
arniefez : 9/12/2021 10:46 pm : link
The good news was I didn't think at the advanced age the Giants could still break my sports heart. The bad news is they did and everything the OP said is correct and I don't see any hope it's going to get better.

I had an old friend who is long gone that in the 1970's used to say being a Giant fan is living in hope and dying in despair almost every Sunday. I can't believe we're back to that.

But I'll be ready Thursday night to do it again.
Ground……  
thrunthrublue : 9/12/2021 11:49 pm : link
Hog day. I got you babe playing the entire game…..WFT, chase young etc primed to pad their stats against panicky danny.
Pat S. called an amazing game!  
AnishPatel : 9/12/2021 11:57 pm : link
Drink and dunk! 3rd and 4, throw for a 5 yard first down. I thought they played a much better game then we did. They beat is on both sides of the ball. They deserved to win!
M.S. - overall I agree with your sentiment and feelings  
Matt M. : 9/13/2021 12:17 am : link
watching today's game. But, I disagree on some of the details. First, I don't think the OL played great. But, I also don't think they were terrible or the reason there was no offense. There were not people in Jones' face all game and they didn't have enough extended drives to really gauge the running game. No 3rd down conversions.

The other point is the middle of the field. That is not an issue with players unable to cover. They were getting beat in the middle on zones.
Back to the Corner