My thoughts on Daniel Jones

reads to me like Stockholm syndrome.

But Jones was terrible this afternoon. Year 3. Same inconsistent shit. Hopefully we only have to endure his shit another 16 times…

But the fumble was a disaster.

Also some of his reads for a 3rd year guy are concerning.

The throw to Barkley in the redzone while he was triple covered? He was lucky he didn't get picked up 2-3 times tonight.

He made some nice plays which is very Jones like...but difficult to trust him when he is so careless with the football.

Mara, Gettleman, and Judge really appreciate your post, and they totally agree. That is why nothing will change in the immediate future. The Giants brass has no sense of smell on how bad things suck with the team.

In comment 15362821 Shady Lurker said:

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reads to me like Stockholm syndrome.

It's a reach yes, but I can't stand to think that every game this year is gonna look like this

I’m tired of saying this about Jones.

“Yeah, he had a good stat line but that fumble killed them.”

That’s simply it. That fumble was the turning point of the game. They were getting good chunk plays with Shep. He correctly sees the rush, steps up and runs. This is what we’ve been talking about. Taking that next step.

Gets hit and fumbles.

Two steps forward and one step back within a 4 second sequence in one day.

At the worst moments
Fumbling after momentum lifting drive
He just has that EE feel. Just screws up at the worse times
Professional qbs can’t just keep doing that and expect to last
Just 1 game of course but if I had to flip a coin giants may be moving on after this yr if they got some gonads
Great kid, great intangibles off the field. On the field, missing something.

He loses here, should have never been selected……He’s destined to be a backup at best.

who can have those boners and still win.

One that comes to mind is Brett Farve. Jones is no Farve

Yes that fumble was crucial, I mean crucial, but that is on the coaching staff Imo.. We have to consider what he is working with too. A horrible Oline and a crappy OC.. Who can be play or feel comfortable behind that Oline?? Let's give him a break. Yes I know its his 3rd year, but this franchise like they did with Eli has not surrounded him with much quality.

What is the news here?

Worst pick since rocky thompson

was pass blocking very well today.

I’d argue they and Shepard were the two bright spots today

The world's biggest Jones defender but he was really bad today. I'm not sure I can continue to justify it, at some point the excuses have to stop and he needs to deliver some winning football.

He was awful today.

I think we are going to look back at Daniel Jones career as three years wasted. Flushed down the drain.

They drafted a guy because he reminded them of their last guy. Which is fucking stupid.

He isn't the long-term answer.

This is the year. Whether you've been pro Jones or anti Jones, this was it. The conclusions are being revealed, week by week.

7 points. And his inability to find completions while taking care of the ball, like Bridgewater did, cost them the game.

had a good stat line because he padded his stats in garbage time. Through 3 quarters he was something like 16-30 for 175 yards while Teddy freakin' Bridgewater is completing 80% of his passes.

With less than 4 minutes left in the game Jones passed for about 80 yards and still only got them one score as time expired.

Jones could have had two red zone INTs. The second half was a disaster.

The first half had one great throw and otherwise was an average performance.

But you can’t just exclude turnovers. A mistake or two a game will cost you - especially when you’re not making enough big plays to compensate for it.

In comment 15362896 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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He isn't the long-term answer.

I am slowly coming to this opinion.

I don’t think I’ve ever rooted for a player as hard as I have for Jones. But if he cannot protect the ball while rushing, then he is a net negative.

I don’t even give a shit about interceptions but the fumbles absolutely boil my blood

But like he often does, he combined a decent performance with a killer mistake. It’s a little disingenuous to discount it as one bad play. That changed the complexion of the game. They are in the red zone and can at least get it to a one score game with a field goal.

He made some nice throws. Yes he was under pressure a lot. But he also still stared down his receivers most of the day which makes defending their WRs much easier.

He is a guy who can keep you in a game. He has not shown that he is a guy who can win games. Time is running out to show that.

but I have to question anyone who thinks Jones played well today. He was far from the only, or most egregious, performance, but he locked onto guys in pressure situations, and couldn’t lift the team.

Midway through the 4th, he was 14-25 for 140 yards and a TD. That simply is not acceptable.

Flashes with good throws a bunch of poor throws, bird-dogging receivers like a RB and making boneheaded decisions under duress. Nothing has changed. Jones is going to have a long career as a backup.

In comment 15362901 BrettNYG10 said:

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Jones could have had two red zone INTs. The second half was a disaster. The first half had one great throw and otherwise was an average performance. But you can’t just exclude turnovers. A mistake or two a game will cost you - especially when you’re not making enough big plays to compensate for it.

Yup. This. They were driving the ball well. Then he fumbles. The air just left the Giants sails after that

The Daniel Jones Excuse Game. Today's topics are...

-- The Jason Garrett is the OC.
-- Not Enough Starts.
-- Covid.
-- Weapons.
-- Climate.
-- Even Engram.
-- No Barkley.

But as Schlereath said many times, he continues to lock on to his receivers. I counted at least 2 INTs that were either dropped or misplayed.by Denver’s D. This is his 3rd season. How long will it take him to stop doing that?

Terps was right. Guy is a disaster in the red zone.

Dave Brown 2.0. In five years Jones will be working for a private equity shop or in investment banking.

As soon at there’s a crucial situation he fucks up.

narrative around Jones is pretty baked in. Outside of a backbreaking turnover in the redzone etc etc etc. But there is ALWAYS a backbreaking redzone turnover. You cannot maintain a job in this league turning the ball over. I am afraid without turning in an MVP performance he will be at the back end of the NFL.

In comment 15362932 Les in TO said:

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Dave Brown 2.0. In five years Jones will be working for a private equity shop or in investment banking.

He’s much better than Dave Brown.

Enough with the hyperbole

In comment 15362928 bw in dc said:

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The Daniel Jones Excuse Game. Today's topics are... -- The Jason Garrett is the OC. -- Not Enough Starts. -- Covid. -- Weapons. -- Climate. -- Even Engram. -- No Barkley.

Jason Garrett also sucks though don’t let him off the hook

I think this year's QB draft class looks horrible. I would trade down again this year for a 1st rounder next year if the opportunity is there. Hopefully 2023 looks better for QBs.

In comment 15362928 bw in dc said:

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The Daniel Jones Excuse Game. Today's topics are... -- The Jason Garrett is the OC. -- Not Enough Starts. -- Covid. -- Weapons. -- Climate. -- Even Engram. -- No Barkley.

“He just needs a better OC!” Bring Garrett aboard.
“We just need to give him a WR!” Signs Golladay.
“We just need Saquon back!”. He’s back.

Result? Jones still sucks but it’s everyone else’s fault!

That's all we know. He's not able to overcome a bad system and bad surrounding talent to produce. That's all we know.

Is he good or servicable? Who knows. It shouldn't matter if this team doesn't figure it out this year. At that point we're on the tail end of exhausting cap resources + his rookie contract and should take another crack at "special" in the draft. They gotta figure it out this year. Not a bullshit flash at the end of the year either which I'm sure will be used to justify not taking a risk.

I did not see receivers running open who he missed (unlike Bridgewater who missed several, including an EZ TD). I saw him fit several balls into very tight windows. Several EZ short passes were dropped. I did not see sacks that he should have avoided. As was stated, he had no running game, per usual. Put Mahomes back there today and we still lose, by a lot.

Because of the shitty play calling and the lack of a running game, I fear we will continue to sputter on offense and won't be able to fairly evaluate Jones. If this continues, and with 2 high draft picks, we probably move onto another young QB after this season. My only hope is that Kitchens replaces Garrett before too long, so we can maybe get a better read on Jones. At this point, I see us moving on from Jones, and him going on to have a very successful NFL career with another team.

In comment 15362943 bluewave said:

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I think this year's QB draft class looks horrible. I would trade down again this year for a 1st rounder next year if the opportunity is there. Hopefully 2023 looks better for QBs.

It could still evolve. But it's not looking elite - yet.

In comment 15362821 Shady Lurker said:

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reads to me like Stockholm syndrome.

lol!

In comment 15362954 BigBlueNH said:

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I did not see receivers running open who he missed (unlike Bridgewater who missed several, including an EZ TD). I saw him fit several balls into very tight windows. Several EZ short passes were dropped. I did not see sacks that he should have avoided. As was stated, he had no running game, per usual. Put Mahomes back there today and we still lose, by a lot. Because of the shitty play calling and the lack of a running game, I fear we will continue to sputter on offense and won't be able to fairly evaluate Jones. If this continues, and with 2 high draft picks, we probably move onto another young QB after this season. My only hope is that Kitchens replaces Garrett before too long, so we can maybe get a better read on Jones. At this point, I see us moving on from Jones, and him going on to have a very successful NFL career with another team.

FYI, Kitchens was a horrible play caller for the Browns.

so please calm down...

In comment 15362915 Mike from Ohio said:

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But like he often does, he combined a decent performance with a killer mistake. It’s a little disingenuous to discount it as one bad play. That changed the complexion of the game. They are in the red zone and can at least get it to a one score game with a field goal. He made some nice throws. Yes he was under pressure a lot. But he also still stared down his receivers most of the day which makes defending their WRs much easier. He is a guy who can keep you in a game. He has not shown that he is a guy who can win games. Time is running out to show that.

Pretty accurate post.

In comment 15362915 Mike from Ohio said:

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But like he often does, he combined a decent performance with a killer mistake. It’s a little disingenuous to discount it as one bad play. That changed the complexion of the game. They are in the red zone and can at least get it to a one score game with a field goal. He made some nice throws. Yes he was under pressure a lot. But he also still stared down his receivers most of the day which makes defending their WRs much easier. He is a guy who can keep you in a game. He has not shown that he is a guy who can win games. Time is running out to show that.

Excellent analysis.

Denver walked up and done the field all day.
Denver had 420 yards and 165 rushing yards. 35 minutes time of possession and only punted twice.
Jones can be your scapegoat but it was the defense

Had a chance to totally turn momentum around. Maybe just me but every time he runs I am hoping for neither a fumble or injury.

In comment 15362930 Tony in Tampa said:

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But as Schlereath said many times, he continues to lock on to his receivers. I counted at least 2 INTs that were either dropped or misplayed.by Denver’s D. This is his 3rd season. How long will it take him to stop doing that?

Yup. Schlereth is a good color guy and described it well today. He got away with a couple bad throws that could have been picked off. I have to believe the coaches have tried to correct that

He’s got the physical tools and nobody questions his work ethic, but hard to say if the light will ever go on for him.

Nuff said. Hope I'm wrong.

That was good? I’d love to know.

#6 overall for this?

In the 4th quarter at the 10 - he made three throws.

1. Should have been picked after her locked into Barkley
2. Panicked and threw it in the 5th row
3. Panicked and just threw it up.

Nobody ever had an opportunity to make a play.

I want to see Judge have the opportunity to bring his quarterback in.