The Giants' Defense

It was almost as if they read their own press clippings and felt like just showing up and they’d win the game.

And that may be one of the weaker QBs they have to face all year...

In comment 15363039 Jimmy Googs said:

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And that may be one of the weaker QBs they have to face all year...

It’s incredible how well Pat Shumur is as an offensive coordinator.

When the OL didn't get Jones and Barkley slaughtered within seconds, we honestly moved the ball OK.

Jones's fumble was unreal, but other than that I'm not sure what he could do.

which limits the offenses touches. It was the same issue last year.

Or maybe I just texted it to my dad but Shurmer took Graham’s lunch money with this game. Completely out coached him. I expect the d to sort itself out as the season gets going.

don't get beat deep and wait for them to make a mistake. I don't understand this because its not like Denver has big weapons. Maybe he figured Bridgewater would screw up.

We need to generate a pass rush or we will see more games like this

In comment 15363042 McNally's_Nuts said:

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In comment 15363039 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: And that may be one of the weaker QBs they have to face all year... It’s incredible how well Pat Shumur is as an offensive coordinator.

Ive said this before and ill say it again now...I will never understand why a very good Offensive or Defensive Coordinator is automatically considered to be a great HC candidate and leader of men based on the success of their units. I always view the HC as an overseer of everything on the team, while the coordinators do what their title entails...coordinate the offense or defense. PS is obviously very good at that part, but not a very good option as an overseer of the whole shooting match.

Mainly what disturbed and worried me was the undisciplined play at times. That is the one thing Judge has harped on and to see boneheaded mistakes throughout the game especially on Defense at critical times is worrisome

When you throw money and draft picks at the secondary instead of investing in the front.

This is what an offense looks like when you throw money and picks at skill players instead of the OL.

The Giants let the strength of their defense, the defensive line take a huge step back.

In comment 15363099 christian said:

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The Giants let the strength of their defense, the defensive line take a huge step back.

And overpay Williams.

We"ve all read and heard about our upgrades all offseason.

on defense....and LW is a player. No one person, in a 3-4 is going to control the game outside of Donald.

The issue is scheme. Graham plays a very, very soft zone and Denver ran free all over the place. He did this last year as well but everyone said the secondary wasn't good enough to be aggressive. It is now....there simply isn't any excuse. They need more man coverage. Graham may not be the genius everyone thinks he is. It seems like their strategy is to keep everything short and force a mistake. But 20 short gains in a row add up to a lot of yardage.

This won't work. They have talent at all 3 levels of the secondary. Should we play prevent because our slot corner isn't great? Many teams are playing with garbage bin CB2s much less slot players.

This one is on the coach not the players. This unit has talent...the coach has to use it correctly.

lots of brash talk of how good the D is. They did this last year too but had a good red zone D that covered it up. They arent anything special.

In comment 15363077 WillVAB said:

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When you throw money and draft picks at the secondary instead of investing in the front. This is what an offense looks like when you throw money and picks at skill players instead of the OL.

They signed Solder to a huge contract and drafted 2 starters and one quasi starter in the 2020 draft, including a #4 overall pick, also drafted Hernandez. This take is bizarre.

But this reminded me of game one against Dallas in 2017. That said it also reminded me of the game against the Niners last year and they righted the ship. I'm hoping it's more the Niners game than the Cowboys game.

In comment 15363099 christian said:

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The Giants let the strength of their defense, the defensive line take a huge step back.

Yeah I definitely noticed that they were held in check all game long and run defense was seriously lacking at times

In comment 15363211 BestFeature said:

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In comment 15363077 WillVAB said: Quote: When you throw money and draft picks at the secondary instead of investing in the front. This is what an offense looks like when you throw money and picks at skill players instead of the OL. They signed Solder to a huge contract and drafted 2 starters and one quasi starter in the 2020 draft, including a #4 overall pick, also drafted Hernandez. This take is bizarre.

If you think the take is “bizarre” you must work in the front office.

is a good OC but it was more than that today. It doesn't get softer than the Giants defense today.

We as Giants fans were so happy to have some competent players that we grossly overrated the defense last year. Said we were one pass rusher and one DB from being a very good defense. Not true. That defense today was awful with missed coverages (something we are used to) and some bad penalties.

I might be older than you but it reminded me of a Giants opener vs Dallas too. But not 2017. 1995. It was that bad.

But what made it that bad is that the 1995 Cowboys were a great team that ended up winning it all. These Broncos are not nearly on that level.

I’ve always hated Graham’s style of defense (bens don’t break) but it worked last year for the most part. It kept them in a lot of games. When it doesn’t work like today it kills you. It lets the other team dictate to you all day and keeps your offense off the field.

Today might have been the worst performance by a Giants defense (considering the opponent and opposing QB) I have seen in a long long time.

In comment 15363272 arniefez said:

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I might be older than you but it reminded me of a Giants opener vs Dallas too. But not 2017. 1995. It was that bad.

You're probably older than me and I didn't watch that game but at least that was a dynasty they played.

In comment 15363313 Danny Kanell said:

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I’ve always hated Graham’s style of defense (bens don’t break) but it worked last year for the most part. It kept them in a lot of games. When it doesn’t work like today it kills you. It lets the other team dictate to you all day and keeps your offense off the field. Today might have been the worst performance by a Giants defense (considering the opponent and opposing QB) I have seen in a long long time.

Last year's Niners backups' game was close. Actually had a worse QB that game.

of long drives AND our OFF not sustaining enough drives which obviously kept our DEF on the field too long. By the 2nd half the seemed fairly gassed, summer heat does pay a toll.

It's a short week and they really have to get this OFF moving, have to start shooting for 20 a game so the DEF will hopefully have spent less time on the field and hopefully play with a lead for a change.

Seems to be much of the blame going to the D line. I think they were asked to rush in a contained manner to limit Bridgewater running.

The secondary got shredded. There were numerous coverage problems and that inexcusable third down throw against the field completion in the third quarter pretty much ended the game right there.

In comment 15363833 dlauster said:

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Seems to be much of the blame going to the D line. I think they were asked to rush in a contained manner to limit Bridgewater running. The secondary got shredded. There were numerous coverage problems and that inexcusable third down throw against the field completion in the third quarter pretty much ended the game right there.

1. This is what I don't like about the tactic of playing contain with the rushers; you give him enough time to throw by not getting up in his face, a quarterback will pick you apart.

2. How much of a running threat is Teddy Bridgewater?

3. Definitely expected more man coverage or at least better man coverage; isn't that why we got Adoree Jackson?

Why do the Giants run it? Whenever I've seen the Giants run this play on defense it never seems to work, mostly because the quarterback has all day to throw.