Is Barkley just rusty?

benefit of the doubt. No one else deserves on this team.

We could figure out where he is.

Giants coaches are so arrogant thinking this team would come out anything but rusty with little to no time given to these guys in preseason

to know. Garrett running him into the line made it impossible for him to do anything. As I said during the game thread, I would have used him as a decoy off play action, run him wide, and thrown screen passes to him to get him in to space. Garrett basically expected him to get through at least four or five defenders as soon as he got the ball.

Working against him today. I do not see how anyone would be able to positively say that he has lost ability or will be the same. Not the best situation to judge him today in my view.

From being at the game and seeing him. Then again thats why I really am over going to the games. Miss way too much, plus the traffic. I am over it.

It was his first game since a serious injury. Give the poor guy some time…

If you didn’t do something live for a year would you be?

Got little to no movement.

He looked exactly how he always has to me which is a 2.5 yard per touch average and very little momentum up the middle. He didn't hit the homerun ball today like he sometimes does and makes you forget about he usually hits negative yards on most plays. Play calling didn't help. I was surprised at how high his snap count was to be honest.

from a guy who hasn't played in nearly a year. So I think rust is a good word.

As many here believe him to be. The fanboys think he’s Barry Sanders when in reality he’s more like Reggie Bush.

in 2 games last year he averaged 1.8 a carry. Today 2.6.

Nobody could have run effectively behind that line. They were pushed around pretty easily. Hopefully they can get him the ball in space so we can see a little more next week.

This game felt a little like Judge’s actual preseason game…get guys in and let them get some contact, but keep it vanilla and try to get out without injuries.

people need to have an honest discussion with themselves.

How does Barkley run for 1300+ yards and catch 91 passes and amass over 2000 yards as a rookie with an OL of:

Solder
Hernandez
Pulley
Brown/Omameh
wheeler

but now it's all the OL.

There are two main things different from those teams.

37 year old Eli vs Jones
and
Shula (OC)/Shurmur (HC) vs Garrett (OC)/Judge (HC)

Yes Odell Beckham was on the team too, but I can't believe this offense is so stagnant and predictable just because of the OL when I can't see a noticeable difference in personnel quality.

again. To pursue that play calling with him is ridiculous. He needs to run quick off tackle slants etc and getting him the ball in space. Problem is this is not in Garrett’s playbook. The passing game is another story but again is a mismatch between the coach and his qb and receivers.

It’s a lost season unless things can be modulated, but that’s difficult. I am not optimistic.

It seemed like more of the same to me. He gets very little of his yardage inside.

In comment 15363194 pjcas18 said:

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people need to have an honest discussion with themselves. How does Barkley run for 1300+ yards and catch 91 passes and amass over 2000 yards as a rookie with an OL of: Solder Hernandez Pulley Brown/Omameh wheeler but now it's all the OL. There are two main things different from those teams. 37 year old Eli vs Jones and Shula (OC)/Shurmur (HC) vs Garrett (OC)/Judge (HC) Yes Odell Beckham was on the team too, but I can't believe this offense is so stagnant and predictable just because of the OL when I can't see a noticeable difference in personnel quality.

And that was going to be my next question: was the line any better his rookie year?

Returning from a major surgery his rookie year either. He was off to another very good start in 19 until the high ankle sprain. Barkley's availability is a valid criticism however.

Coming off a major knee injury is no longer as explosive as he was at 21. Water is wet.

I thought he actually made some positive yards on plays that should have been losses a couple of times. But I also saw that dancing around style and maybe some hesitation on his part

Bad line play, predictable play calling, hasn't played in almost a year, coming back from a major injury and Denver has a good D.

In comment 15363194 pjcas18 said:

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people need to have an honest discussion with themselves. How does Barkley run for 1300+ yards and catch 91 passes and amass over 2000 yards as a rookie with an OL of: Solder Hernandez Pulley Brown/Omameh wheeler but now it's all the OL. There are two main things different from those teams. 37 year old Eli vs Jones and Shula (OC)/Shurmur (HC) vs Garrett (OC)/Judge (HC) Yes Odell Beckham was on the team too, but I can't believe this offense is so stagnant and predictable just because of the OL when I can't see a noticeable difference in personnel quality.

Agreed - Shurmur system was much better suited to Barkley's style. Garrett is all ground and pound (see Zeke). It feels like that's all they gave Barkley today. He isn't built like Zeke. Keep it up and he'll be on IR again and his career will be over. He is not a pounder.

For 2 years he was criticized for not being patient enough. He danced too much. He tried to bounce everything outside for a big gain. Well, today, he seemed patient and willing to let the blocking develop in front of him. Getting that short yardage 1st down was a big positive for me. It showed strong legs. So, let's wait a few games before we worry about him. Today, he was certainly limited on snaps and types of plays.

In comment 15363194 pjcas18 said:

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people need to have an honest discussion with themselves. How does Barkley run for 1300+ yards and catch 91 passes and amass over 2000 yards as a rookie with an OL of: Solder Hernandez Pulley Brown/Omameh wheeler but now it's all the OL. There are two main things different from those teams. 37 year old Eli vs Jones and Shula (OC)/Shurmur (HC) vs Garrett (OC)/Judge (HC) Yes Odell Beckham was on the team too, but I can't believe this offense is so stagnant and predictable just because of the OL when I can't see a noticeable difference in personnel quality.

obj would draw a TON of coverage. no team could stack the box...it made barkleys life MUCH easier...

But what the hell happened to Toney after the first qtr? Was he ever back on the field?

“defender” ever since he was drafted and will continue to be but he really has to start showing that he’s the guy from 2018/second half half 2019 and it has to start soon. Otherwise what are we doing.

It was almost like he looked shell shocked out there.

In comment 15363284 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 15363194 pjcas18 said: Quote: people need to have an honest discussion with themselves. How does Barkley run for 1300+ yards and catch 91 passes and amass over 2000 yards as a rookie with an OL of: Solder Hernandez Pulley Brown/Omameh wheeler but now it's all the OL. There are two main things different from those teams. 37 year old Eli vs Jones and Shula (OC)/Shurmur (HC) vs Garrett (OC)/Judge (HC) Yes Odell Beckham was on the team too, but I can't believe this offense is so stagnant and predictable just because of the OL when I can't see a noticeable difference in personnel quality. obj would draw a TON of coverage. no team could stack the box...it made barkleys life MUCH easier...

This is a really good point that is not talked about enough. Or at all really. Until your post.

It’s just not his strong suit.

Golladay may be the closest thing we've had to a #1 in a couple of years, but at least today, he didn't draw extra coverage.

He was a completely wasted pick from the start. Everything should have been centered around building that OL once Barkley and Jones were drafted.

He’s had a year of hanging out and doing nothing. And in a position with a very limited lifespan, I don’t see how he gets back to form.

Not getting it on a pitch count in an offense that can't stay on the field with a defense that can't stay off the field vs. a tough opponent. He's a RB, he's not getting snaps in those conditions. He can create something out of nothing occasionally but he's gonna need reps and you're probably gonna have to sit through the other side of that coin where he Barry Sanders himself into 2 yard losses to hit those high upside outcomes.

until he finally gets going again but loses yards on a lot of plays and we get the "Barkley needs to cut back on the negative plays" as if his big runs aren't the other side of that same coin.

In comment 15363294 ryanmkeane said:

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“defender” ever since he was drafted and will continue to be but he really has to start showing that he’s the guy from 2018/second half half 2019 and it has to start soon. Otherwise what are we doing.

Not to be a downer but I don't think he can be in this system. This is not the right system for him. It's like taking a Ferrari to a demolition derby. I'm very worried that Garrett will end this kid's career. Go look at how they used him against PIT in week 1 last year before the injury.

In comment 15363284 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 15363194 pjcas18 said: Quote: people need to have an honest discussion with themselves. How does Barkley run for 1300+ yards and catch 91 passes and amass over 2000 yards as a rookie with an OL of: Solder Hernandez Pulley Brown/Omameh wheeler but now it's all the OL. There are two main things different from those teams. 37 year old Eli vs Jones and Shula (OC)/Shurmur (HC) vs Garrett (OC)/Judge (HC) Yes Odell Beckham was on the team too, but I can't believe this offense is so stagnant and predictable just because of the OL when I can't see a noticeable difference in personnel quality. obj would draw a TON of coverage. no team could stack the box...it made barkleys life MUCH easier...

Barkley had his best game (rushing) as a rookie the first game after Beckham was injured. and two of his best 4 (in yards per carry) without Beckham.

week 14, 14 rushes for 170 yards, 1 TD. Eli threw TD passes that game to Russell Sheppard and Bennie Fowler (in addition to Sterling Shepard) - point is without Beckham the WR's were less than mediocre. Plus Barkley led the team in catches and was 3rd in receiving yards that game.

stats/results don't really support your impression.

In comment 15363284 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 15363194 pjcas18 said: Quote: people need to have an honest discussion with themselves. How does Barkley run for 1300+ yards and catch 91 passes and amass over 2000 yards as a rookie with an OL of: Solder Hernandez Pulley Brown/Omameh wheeler but now it's all the OL. There are two main things different from those teams. 37 year old Eli vs Jones and Shula (OC)/Shurmur (HC) vs Garrett (OC)/Judge (HC) Yes Odell Beckham was on the team too, but I can't believe this offense is so stagnant and predictable just because of the OL when I can't see a noticeable difference in personnel quality. obj would draw a TON of coverage. no team could stack the box...it made barkleys life MUCH easier...

That and Shurmur did a lot of scheming to get him open in the flats or even just counters or outside zone. Garrett is just punch up the middle. Don't need a 10m running back for that.

from day one. I was hoping for that pick before they made it. That has a lot to do with not having faith in any of the big 4 or 5 QBs that draft to become true franchise QBs. I really did not want Darnold, who was the rumored target. So, in that regard, I was and still am happy.

However, you can't draft a RB with a bottom third of the league OL and never improve it. That is where they are. They had offensive concerns and seemed to decide just adding Barkley to Manning with OBJ as the only WR was enough. They still had a terrible OL, poor WR corps, no TE, and no backup RB. That has mostly been the same condition of the offense, except they swapped Manning for Jones, which is a step down, and losing OBJ.

need to get him in space and thr Giants jist didnt do that at all..

It's the NFL, you aren't going to get wide open running lanes. You've got to grind it out, show great field vision and make sharp aggressive cuts.

Clock is ticking on all of these guys. Gotta produce.

In comment 15363166 Everyone Relax said:

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Giants coaches are so arrogant thinking this team would come out anything but rusty with little to no time given to these guys in preseason

Yeah but remember the great learning experience in practice vs. Cleveland & New England

I think most fans understand the jaw dropping version of Barkley we saw in 2018 requires a number of better variables.

The thing that makes many itchy is where is the 15 carry, 60 yard guy is when the other fates don’t align. He needs to be part of a decent run game on the weeks where he isn’t the headline.

We just need some 3 in 1 oil, some gauze pads and ten quarts of anti- freeze. Preferably Prestone...no make that Quaker State.

In comment 15363284 BleedBlue said:

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Yes Odell Beckham was on the team too, but I can't believe this offense is so stagnant and predictable just because of the OL when I can't see a noticeable difference in personnel quality. obj would draw a TON of coverage. no team could stack the box...it made barkleys life MUCH easier...

Doesn’t get talked about enough here how much of a difference OBJ and Eli made to Barkley. OBJ was the player every d-co schemed against. And Eli could check in an out of plays in ways that’s Jones simply isn’t able. It’s not just those two, but that’s a lot of it IMO.

Now having said that, it’s still too early to expect much from Barkley. He had no pre season, the entire team looked bad.

In comment 15363157 BillT said:

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We could figure out where he is.

ding ding ding

like The Seventh Day out there.

later in the season, hopefully not too late..

Agree about play calling and no OL push, hard to win games that way,

In comment 15363448 trueblueinpw said:

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In comment 15363284 BleedBlue said: Quote: Yes Odell Beckham was on the team too, but I can't believe this offense is so stagnant and predictable just because of the OL when I can't see a noticeable difference in personnel quality. obj would draw a TON of coverage. no team could stack the box...it made barkleys life MUCH easier... Doesn’t get talked about enough here how much of a difference OBJ and Eli made to Barkley. OBJ was the player every d-co schemed against. And Eli could check in an out of plays in ways that’s Jones simply isn’t able. It’s not just those two, but that’s a lot of it IMO. Now having said that, it’s still too early to expect much from Barkley. He had no pre season, the entire team looked bad.

Barkley looked the same in the beginning and end of 2019 too, when he wasnt playing hurt. Garrett is just dogshit.

as a receiver. He's good at it, it's a way to get him the ball in space, it adds another dimension to the passing attack... and yet...

I really, really don't like Garrett's offense.

DJ - 27
Barkley - 26
Booker - 7

So what the heck happened here?!?!

I gotta think OL has something to with this....just a hunch.

Since blowing out his knee. It’s a process and for all we know all the inside runs were part of the plan to slowly bring him all the way back. I would think outside runs would have more plant and cuts on that leg