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NewBlue : 9/12/2021 10:27 pm
Does he get a pass on having 2 coordinators who don't coordinate much?

Joe talks a great game but this is a results business, and he and his staff were thoroughly out coached and he acknowledged it along with his throwing a flag costing them a timeout that could have proved to be important.


I was actually just thinking this  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 9/12/2021 10:33 pm : link
Can JJ take over and run the offense if needed? Or, is he just a delegator? Fair question at this point given lack of results and adjustments outside of the many OL coach changes.
So  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2021 10:37 pm : link
let me get this straight... everyone on BBI was praising Patrick Graham due to a top 10 defense last year and now the guy is dogshit based on the results of one game?

As I said earlier today, Giants fans have gotten really stupid.

It pains me to say that.
My point referenced the O  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 9/12/2021 10:40 pm : link
When does the head coach step in?
Joe Judge is a special teams coach  
NewBlue : 9/12/2021 10:40 pm : link
Or was......I suppose he has to grow from that to be the one in charge of everything.
When Belichick went to Cleveland, at about the same age JJ is now, things did not go so great for little Bill. Of course Tom Brady helped change that.

As BP was fond of saying...lets not put him in Canton yet, here I am referring to our savior Joe Judge
RE: My point referenced the O  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2021 10:41 pm : link
In comment 15363380 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:
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When does the head coach step in?


The problem with the offense is not the offensive coordinator.

It's almost as if you guys weren't even paying attention for the last month and a half.
Judge has never been a coordinator  
pjcas18 : 9/12/2021 10:42 pm : link
other than special teams at any level, not college, not pro, not even high school.

What makes you think he can just take over play calling - offense or defense?
RE: Joe Judge is a special teams coach  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2021 10:42 pm : link
In comment 15363381 NewBlue said:
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Or was......I suppose he has to grow from that to be the one in charge of everything.
When Belichick went to Cleveland, at about the same age JJ is now, things did not go so great for little Bill. Of course Tom Brady helped change that.

As BP was fond of saying...lets not put him in Canton yet, here I am referring to our savior Joe Judge


No shit.
RE: RE: My point referenced the O  
broadbandz : 9/12/2021 10:43 pm : link
In comment 15363385 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15363380 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:


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When does the head coach step in?



The problem with the offense is not the offensive coordinator.

It's almost as if you guys weren't even paying attention for the last month and a half.


Cordinator is dogshit
RE: So  
NewBlue : 9/12/2021 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15363377 Eric from BBI said:
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let me get this straight... everyone on BBI was praising Patrick Graham due to a top 10 defense last year and now the guy is dogshit based on the results of one game?

As I said earlier today, Giants fans have gotten really stupid.

It pains me to say that.


Giant fans have gotten a bit frustrated and impatient over the last 7 or 8 years...if some of the venting is a tad off, well it is venting, We all wanted/want Patrick Graham to be a great DC, but I really thought that with 2 Lockdown? corners and top shelf safety's we would have seen some better game planing vs. a mid-rung offense
RE: So  
lawguy9801 : 9/12/2021 10:47 pm : link
In comment 15363377 Eric from BBI said:
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let me get this straight... everyone on BBI was praising Patrick Graham due to a top 10 defense last year and now the guy is dogshit based on the results of one game?

As I said earlier today, Giants fans have gotten really stupid.

It pains me to say that.


When you have a supposedly improved defense and yet you make a journeyman quarterback look like Joe Montana and he kills you time after time on 3rd and 4th downs, yes, he is dogshit.

And when was the last time this team could cover a receiver over the middle? 1997? Jason Witten in a wheelchair would go for 100 yards and 2 TDs.

I've watched the Giants religiously for 38 years. I'm seriously contemplating just being done. I can't stand it anymore.
RE: So  
BestFeature : 9/12/2021 10:47 pm : link
In comment 15363377 Eric from BBI said:
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let me get this straight... everyone on BBI was praising Patrick Graham due to a top 10 defense last year and now the guy is dogshit based on the results of one game?

As I said earlier today, Giants fans have gotten really stupid.

It pains me to say that.


Things change in a year. See Spags' defense in 2016 and 2017.
RE: RE: My point referenced the O  
bw in dc : 9/12/2021 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15363385 Eric from BBI said:
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When does the head coach step in?



The problem with the offense is not the offensive coordinator.



Garrett is an easy target.

RE: RE: My point referenced the O  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 9/12/2021 10:51 pm : link
In comment 15363385 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15363380 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:


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When does the head coach step in?



The problem with the offense is not the offensive coordinator.

It's almost as if you guys weren't even paying attention for the last month and a half.


Scheme sucks, line sucks, play calling sucks; instead of running SB up the gut over and over, let’s get him in space. Roll nines out more….

haven’t soured on JJ yet but want him more involved in the O. Garret is uninspiring plain and simple.
RE: So  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/12/2021 10:51 pm : link
In comment 15363377 Eric from BBI said:
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let me get this straight... everyone on BBI was praising Patrick Graham due to a top 10 defense last year and now the guy is dogshit based on the results of one game?

As I said earlier today, Giants fans have gotten really stupid.

It pains me to say that.


What is the problem on offense then? I agree with you regarding Graham.
RE: RE: RE: My point referenced the O  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 9/12/2021 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15363410 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:
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In comment 15363385 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 15363380 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:


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When does the head coach step in?



The problem with the offense is not the offensive coordinator.

It's almost as if you guys weren't even paying attention for the last month and a half.



Scheme sucks, line sucks, play calling sucks; instead of running SB up the gut over and over, let’s get him in space. Roll nines out more….

haven’t soured on JJ yet but want him more involved in the O. Garret is uninspiring plain and simple.


**roll jones out more**
RE: RE: RE: My point referenced the O  
BestFeature : 9/12/2021 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15363406 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15363385 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 15363380 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:


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When does the head coach step in?



The problem with the offense is not the offensive coordinator.





Garrett is an easy target.


No, he's very inconvenient for you. Because he provides another person in addition to Jones who's to blame for the offensive woes. Once against Jones wasn't perfect but was light years better under Shurmur.
Lines of Scrimmage  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2021 11:00 pm : link
Jesus Christ.

I covered this in my game preview, but you don't need that to figure this out.

The big offseason upgrades at the skill positions missed all of the preseason/camp. Barkley, Golladay, Toney, Rudolph. The OL is still not a coherent unit. It's going to take at least 1/4 of the season for the skill guys to get in sync and at least half the season for the OL to develop any sort of cohesion.

What's the problem? We can't run the ball until the OL comes together. Toney is so far behind that he has to be used as a gadget player. Golladay and Jones have never gotten into sync.

Right now, this is the same offense as last year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: My point referenced the O  
bw in dc : 9/12/2021 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15363416 BestFeature said:
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No, he's very inconvenient for you. Because he provides another person in addition to Jones who's to blame for the offensive woes. Once against Jones wasn't perfect but was light years better under Shurmur.


Remind me - how did Garrett do getting Dak ready when Romo went down?
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BestFeature : 9/12/2021 11:04 pm : link
In comment 15363428 bw in dc said:
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No, he's very inconvenient for you. Because he provides another person in addition to Jones who's to blame for the offensive woes. Once against Jones wasn't perfect but was light years better under Shurmur.



Remind me - how did Garrett do getting Dak ready when Romo went down?


Remind me when Dak as bad of a supporting cast as Jones. Particularly the offensive line. Also, was he even calling the plays for Dallas under Dak?
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Thunderstruck27 : 9/12/2021 11:04 pm : link
In comment 15363428 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15363416 BestFeature said:


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No, he's very inconvenient for you. Because he provides another person in addition to Jones who's to blame for the offensive woes. Once against Jones wasn't perfect but was light years better under Shurmur.



Remind me - how did Garrett do getting Dak ready when Romo went down?


I'll take a shot at this one. I will say, not as good as Kellen Moore has done in the last 2 years with Dak. Is that accurate?
I just googled, Garrett didn't call plays for Dallas since 2012  
BestFeature : 9/12/2021 11:05 pm : link
That's 4 years before Dak's rookie season.
RE: Lines of Scrimmage  
TLong : 9/12/2021 11:20 pm : link
In comment 15363424 Eric from BBI said:
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Jesus Christ.

I covered this in my game preview, but you don't need that to figure this out.

The big offseason upgrades at the skill positions missed all of the preseason/camp. Barkley, Golladay, Toney, Rudolph. The OL is still not a coherent unit. It's going to take at least 1/4 of the season for the skill guys to get in sync and at least half the season for the OL to develop any sort of cohesion.

What's the problem? We can't run the ball until the OL comes together. Toney is so far behind that he has to be used as a gadget player. Golladay and Jones have never gotten into sync.

Right now, this is the same offense as last year.


I only caught the last quarter, but what I saw of Barkley was terrible. He was sent into the middle of the line on all his attempts. He has power but so do the DL men.
Why wasn't he given a chance to go outside and use his speed and agility? Our OC seems to think he still has that great Dalls line he was gifted with.
Mr Mara said he expects to win more games this season. Wonder what he’  
plato : 9/12/2021 11:36 pm : link
is thinking tonight? and more interesting who will he call tomorrow for ideas and independent evaluation?
RE: I just googled, Garrett didn't call plays for Dallas since 2012  
cosmicj : 9/12/2021 11:44 pm : link
In comment 15363437 BestFeature said:
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That's 4 years before Dak's rookie season.


And that means that Garrett was not involved in the offensive gameplanning? Of course he was.

This is what is called Bargaining.

Look, I don’t think Jason Garrett is a reincarnation of Bill Walsh. But there is literally a minimal chance he is some sort of exceptional incompetent. Like, literally almost none.

Back to Bargaining. People blaming Garrett are scapegoating someone to make themselves feel better.

Sometimes BBI is like a college course in mob psychology.
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