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Today's Game - My LONG take (after cooling down)

BleedBlue : 9/12/2021 11:17 pm
Hey All,

I know we are all pissed....

jesus this place is hella sad right now.

Look, we all agree we looked like shit today, but barkley rusty, OL still gellin, offensive guys getting no camp time due to injury and new guys adjusting to scheme. There are plenty of reasons for some struggles today offensively vs a good defense.

Our defense was my concern today for sure....thats a group i expected to play MUCH better. IMO, they cost us the game as TOP was insane and we couldnt get off the field on 3rd or 4th down. There were several blown coverages and we made bridgewater look like montana. He was just dinking and dunkin and picking us apart.

That being said, its a new week now. Lets focus on washington. ...its 100% a winnable game...we did beat them twice last year no? truth is if a couple things go differently today we probably win.

1. jones fumble - def a huge play in game, prob diff game if he doesnt fumble as it was definitely a good decision to take off and use his legs (this is a major asset of his as teams can get hurt when playing man coverage against us)

2. martinez missed tackle on 4th down inside 10...he makes that play we have ball down 3 and thats a tacklet he makes 9 out of 10...today was that 1 time.

3. The offensive playcalling (very scared this wont get fixed). My god were they shitty in the redzone. There is no creativity and the plays were just like one read and jones had to throw away. Where was the creativity here? How about a backfield of barkley and toney? Get toney on jet sweep? roll jones out? move pocket? It just seemed so boring and not creative enough to score points in redzone where your offense has to look somewhat different than it does at midfield.

4. few blown coverages in big spots (graham has to clean it up and I have confidence he will). The defense has the talent to rebound.

5. Hate blaming refs, but MY GOD. there were several holding calls on denver that went uncalled and there was a CLEAR delay of game as it was 2 seconds after it hit 00 and the broncos ended up scoring a TD on that drive, that was a huge non call imo. Also I felt the roughing on ojulari was chincy as hell and in a very big spot. They also didnt call roughing on the jones slide when I felt there was. Not saying refs cost us but some of those things go our way, it could have been a different outcome.

Overall, it sucked balls, but I think BBI needs to chill on the panic. Its a LONG season and im fine with this YOUNG team facing some adversity. Lets see how they respond on a short week.
Good news? Skins and cowboys lost, if we beat wash, they are 0-2 with a loss in division. Lets also look at some of the positives of the game.

1. The OL didnt look great but there were only about 3 plays where i said jesus this OL sucks, thats a large improvement. As part of that, thomas looked very good today IMO. he wasnt really the issue. I thought peart and solder were dogshit.

2. Whether you want to admit it or not, jones was efficient and I think he made a lot of smart decisions (taking off running) **obv he still has to protect football as he is shit in this area. He also needs to be more decisive (i dont think playcalling helps in this area and I KNOW OL doesnt help in this area). He has to be concerned and thinking about the pressure. I am sure that clock in his head is much shorter than most NFL QBs.

3. Overall, the offense moved down the field when given a shot, just dumb mistakes hurt them in their limited opportunities on offense.

4. The defense was shit and as mentioned, cost them the game. The good news? Its a VERY talented group and i think if any group can rebound on the team, its them because they are talented and we know this.

5. Golladay is ad advertised with his catch radius, no doubt a nice player to have as a weapon

6. shep looked AWESOME. seriously, never felt as good about shep as i did today. He looks quicker and smoother in his route running. really nice stuff there.

7. Ojulari looks like he is actually gonna be a player. I get ghe roughing (i felt it was chincy) but he got his first sack and looks like he plays with a high motor. He may actually be a really good pass rusher with some experience. Loved the pic on draft night, feel really good about it now.

Okay, now before everyone says, wow you work for giants or DG and company love you. I am NOT saying today was in any way good. I am not trying to spin it. I am simply trying to point out the good(because there was some) and I am trying to say its a long season and its not even close to over...

Thursday does become a MUCH more important game now though as 0-2 isnt pretty.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2021 11:21 pm : link
There is very little positive to come out of this game.

That being said, this is a totally different game if the defense doesn't give up three 4th-down conversions and/or the offense comes away with points on any of the three deep drives that resulted in no points in the second half.

It's easy to see what the problems were.

Defense has to make the offense pay when they go for it like that.

Our offense has to run the football until the skill players get in sync.
At least we don’t have to wait  
dabru : 9/12/2021 11:24 pm : link
a week but a loss on Thursday will make for an extra long 10 days.
RE: ...  
BleedBlue : 9/12/2021 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15363463 Eric from BBI said:
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There is very little positive to come out of this game.

That being said, this is a totally different game if the defense doesn't give up three 4th-down conversions and/or the offense comes away with points on any of the three deep drives that resulted in no points in the second half.

It's easy to see what the problems were.

Defense has to make the offense pay when they go for it like that.

Our offense has to run the football until the skill players get in sync.


I agree. Was surprised we failed on 4th down. felt good about our def this game. was very surprised as felt we were the same unit but much improved with adding jackson and ojulari but I guess give credit to broncos OC (who is that bum? LOL) They were well prepared and we werent...
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ryanmkeane : 9/12/2021 11:24 pm : link
I mean there were like 6 plays that Bridgewater somehow magically escaped and made an incredible play. Gotta tip your cap. We got our ass beat - but he made some great plays as frustrating as it was.
RE: ….  
BleedBlue : 9/12/2021 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15363475 ryanmkeane said:
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I mean there were like 6 plays that Bridgewater somehow magically escaped and made an incredible play. Gotta tip your cap. We got our ass beat - but he made some great plays as frustrating as it was.


The one that stood out to me was without a doubt when it looked like we were going to sack him( I think it was ojulari) and it was on 3rd down and he rolled right escaping what seemed to be a definite sack and through to middle field accross his body. I mean such a good play but it just felt like one of those okay this isnt our day type plays
The game  
pjcas18 : 9/12/2021 11:27 pm : link
was lost at the end of the first half and beginning of the second half. It's like a coaches dream - the reason they defer is to have it work out just like it did for the Broncos.

giving up TD's on both those drives was the difference. Giants were leading 7 - 3 and then were down 17 - 7 in two drives and 10:30 of clock.

On the drive right after the half the Broncos converted 3 3rd downs and a 4th down.

All in all on both drives the Broncos converted all 3rd downs or 4th downs (obviously since they scored TD's on both).
One that hurt us the most  
ryanmkeane : 9/12/2021 11:28 pm : link
was early ish on in the game they had a 4th and 2. He sort of danced in the pocket for awhile and then threw a strike over the middle to I think Hamler who had to dive toward the ground to catch it and he did. They made plays like that all game.
Same ole same ole  
Johnny5 : 9/12/2021 11:29 pm : link
A supposed Good Defense That can never get off the field on 3rd (well and 4th down).

OL sucks, running game is meh, the other teams TE's kill us every game while ours do ZERO. TOP to the other team by leaps and bounds as usual.

And Jones fumbles in a horrible spot... AGAIN.

I'm really beginning to HATE this team.
RE: The game  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2021 11:32 pm : link
In comment 15363484 pjcas18 said:
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was lost at the end of the first half and beginning of the second half. It's like a coaches dream - the reason they defer is to have it work out just like it did for the Broncos.

giving up TD's on both those drives was the difference. Giants were leading 7 - 3 and then were down 17 - 7 in two drives and 10:30 of clock.

On the drive right after the half the Broncos converted 3 3rd downs and a 4th down.

All in all on both drives the Broncos converted all 3rd downs or 4th downs (obviously since they scored TD's on both).


The end of the first half sucked (and I talked about how I worried about our defense doing that in the game preview).

However, that didn't cost us the game. Was anyone really surprised it was a 3-point game at halftime?

What was humiliating was the collapse in the second half.

Not counting each team's last meaningless drive, each team only had three meaningful drives in the second half.

This game changed in those six possessions...three scoring drives for Broncos, three turnovers for Giants (2 turnovers on downs). But the Giants were in position to score on those three drives. And the Giants couldn't get off the damn field on 2 of the first three drives of the second half. (The inexcusable kick in the nuts was the 70 yard TD run).
D will improve and get off the field  
mpinmaine : 9/12/2021 11:33 pm : link
Jones needs to keep working
RE: One that hurt us the most  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2021 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15363485 ryanmkeane said:
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was early ish on in the game they had a 4th and 2. He sort of danced in the pocket for awhile and then threw a strike over the middle to I think Hamler who had to dive toward the ground to catch it and he did. They made plays like that all game.


THIS.

When a team goes for it on 4th down, you have to make them pay.

It can completely change a game around.

And yet the Broncos were 3-of-3.
Giants likely win Thursday  
WillVAB : 9/12/2021 11:35 pm : link
Facing a backup QB and a team they’ve owned. The bigger issue is the ceiling for this team as constructed and what direction the organization needs to go to get this right.

Dallas has a doofus HC and a bad D but I don’t see the Giants beating Dallas for the division. If you thought today was bad, wait until they face a Dallas offense that features an exponentially better QB, OL, and skill players. Tampa has one of the best fronts in the league and they still had problems pressuring Dak.
RE: RE: The game  
pjcas18 : 9/12/2021 11:35 pm : link
In comment 15363495 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15363484 pjcas18 said:


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was lost at the end of the first half and beginning of the second half. It's like a coaches dream - the reason they defer is to have it work out just like it did for the Broncos.

giving up TD's on both those drives was the difference. Giants were leading 7 - 3 and then were down 17 - 7 in two drives and 10:30 of clock.

On the drive right after the half the Broncos converted 3 3rd downs and a 4th down.

All in all on both drives the Broncos converted all 3rd downs or 4th downs (obviously since they scored TD's on both).



The end of the first half sucked (and I talked about how I worried about our defense doing that in the game preview).

However, that didn't cost us the game. Was anyone really surprised it was a 3-point game at halftime?

What was humiliating was the collapse in the second half.

Not counting each team's last meaningless drive, each team only had three meaningful drives in the second half.

This game changed in those six possessions...three scoring drives for Broncos, three turnovers for Giants (2 turnovers on downs). But the Giants were in position to score on those three drives. And the Giants couldn't get off the damn field on 2 of the first three drives of the second half. (The inexcusable kick in the nuts was the 70 yard TD run).


I said giving up TD's both ends of the half lost the game.

going from up 7 - 3 to down 17 - 7 gassed the D and this offense has not shown capable of coming back.
It seems to me  
TLong : 9/12/2021 11:37 pm : link
the Denver HC or OC should have been flagged for "Taunting", going for it on fourth down three times!
The frustrating, depressing thing about this game is  
81_Great_Dane : 9/12/2021 11:40 pm : link
it's the same old shit. Defense can't get off the field on 3rd (or 4th) down. Offense can't put the ball in the end zone. Daniel Jones fumbles. (Remember Danny Dimes, who was so accurate? I miss that guy.) The Giants stink up the joint at home.

It's not all the same old shit, but it's the same old shit. There are some minor improvements: Jones didn't throw an INT. Rushed for one score and passed for another.

Today is the first time I have had doubts about Joe Judge. Last year, I thought he did pretty well under very difficult circumstances and the team showed marked improvement in the last 8 games. This was exactly what we didn't want to see to start the season.

There are lots of reasons why this happened today, but not really excuses. Everybody from ownership down should be steaming after that game. They were embarrassed. I don't need them to talk about it, but I need them to fuckin' do something about it.
RE: The game  
5BowlsSoon : 9/12/2021 11:42 pm : link
In comment 15363484 pjcas18 said:
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was lost at the end of the first half and beginning of the second half. It's like a coaches dream - the reason they defer is to have it work out just like it did for the Broncos.

giving up TD's on both those drives was the difference. Giants were leading 7 - 3 and then were down 17 - 7 in two drives and 10:30 of clock.

On the drive right after the half the Broncos converted 3 3rd downs and a 4th down.

All in all on both drives the Broncos converted all 3rd downs or 4th downs (obviously since they scored TD's on both).


Thank you….I’ve only read two threads and I’m surprised to see who people are blaming and not seeing how our defense allowed Teddy to have long drives eating up a ton of clock and scoring like they did just before half and after second half kickoff. Killer tds, both.

But I guess the DJ haters and Jason Garrett haters are much louder. Interesting how you hardly see Patrick Graham’s name being mentioned…mostly Garrett and Jones. Yet Graham’s until absolutely stunk. And they were given a huge break with a freakish turnover at the 5yard line.
RE: RE: The game  
BestFeature : 9/12/2021 11:46 pm : link
In comment 15363521 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 15363484 pjcas18 said:


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was lost at the end of the first half and beginning of the second half. It's like a coaches dream - the reason they defer is to have it work out just like it did for the Broncos.

giving up TD's on both those drives was the difference. Giants were leading 7 - 3 and then were down 17 - 7 in two drives and 10:30 of clock.

On the drive right after the half the Broncos converted 3 3rd downs and a 4th down.

All in all on both drives the Broncos converted all 3rd downs or 4th downs (obviously since they scored TD's on both).



Thank you….I’ve only read two threads and I’m surprised to see who people are blaming and not seeing how our defense allowed Teddy to have long drives eating up a ton of clock and scoring like they did just before half and after second half kickoff. Killer tds, both.

But I guess the DJ haters and Jason Garrett haters are much louder. Interesting how you hardly see Patrick Graham’s name being mentioned…mostly Garrett and Jones. Yet Graham’s until absolutely stunk. And they were given a huge break with a freakish turnover at the 5yard line.


Fair or not Graham has earned more leeway with some people than Garrett because last year his unit took a dump on Garrett's unit.
But the defense was far worse today than the offense  
BestFeature : 9/12/2021 11:46 pm : link
And the offense stunk.
hope  
jintsjunkie : 9/13/2021 12:00 am : link
that you are correct in your somewhat optimistic assessment. what I can't understand is why we keep running Saquon into the middle of the line instead of letting him loose and passing to him in space. the line can hardly protect Jones. they are not anytime soon going to be able to open holes against the likes of the Bronco's D. Seems simple. but nothing with the giants is simple, apparently. stupidity is as stupidity does.
RE: The game  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/13/2021 12:16 am : link
In comment 15363484 pjcas18 said:
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was lost at the end of the first half and beginning of the second half. It's like a coaches dream - the reason they defer is to have it work out just like it did for the Broncos.

giving up TD's on both those drives was the difference. Giants were leading 7 - 3 and then were down 17 - 7 in two drives and 10:30 of clock.

On the drive right after the half the Broncos converted 3 3rd downs and a 4th down.

All in all on both drives the Broncos converted all 3rd downs or 4th downs (obviously since they scored TD's on both).


And the drive before the Denver's TD drive, Ryan made a great play for force a turnover deep in Giants territory to stop at least 3 points... and the offense responded with a measly three and out.

Booker, 1 yard.
Penny, incomplete.
Rudolf, 2 yards.
Only 1:40 burned off the clock.

I think the game was lost right there.
RE: RE: The game  
BleedBlue : 9/13/2021 12:20 am : link
In comment 15363576 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 15363484 pjcas18 said:


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was lost at the end of the first half and beginning of the second half. It's like a coaches dream - the reason they defer is to have it work out just like it did for the Broncos.

giving up TD's on both those drives was the difference. Giants were leading 7 - 3 and then were down 17 - 7 in two drives and 10:30 of clock.

On the drive right after the half the Broncos converted 3 3rd downs and a 4th down.

All in all on both drives the Broncos converted all 3rd downs or 4th downs (obviously since they scored TD's on both).



And the drive before the Denver's TD drive, Ryan made a great play for force a turnover deep in Giants territory to stop at least 3 points... and the offense responded with a measly three and out.

Booker, 1 yard.
Penny, incomplete.
Rudolf, 2 yards.
Only 1:40 burned off the clock.

I think the game was lost right there.


Yes, i mentioned the playcalling was shit and this was a perfect example...he called that drive not to lose instead of trying to win
Nice to read some well-reasoned analysis.  
BigBlueNH : 9/13/2021 12:21 am : link
We will know a lot more about this team, particularly this defense, after Thurs. night. I think the D has more talent than it showed today. And I hope Jackson is playing injured and gets better.
Positive but  
NJLCO : 9/13/2021 12:50 am : link
We scored 7 points and a garbage TD at the end. DJ is DJ the turnover machine. Barkley averaged what he averaged last season before his injury and our D gives up big wide open 3rd down chunks. Now in 4 days that is going to change. OK I will play. Why? This team doesn’t know how to win especially the QB. Nice kid and I believe he works hard but it’s 3 years and nothing changes. We hear the same reasons/excuses game after game. We’re correcting the same thing over and over again and we get the same results. I am sick and tired of watching us lose. Then you watch these 2nd year QBs shining and it sucks. DJ played at Duke and it shows. I can’t see that light switch turning on anything soon or ever. That doggie don’t hunt. Today was a nightmare. I pray your all right and we win Thursday but the chances of that happening even with a backup QB is still slim
RE: Giants likely win Thursday  
eli4life : 9/13/2021 2:55 am : link
In comment 15363505 WillVAB said:
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Facing a backup QB and a team they’ve owned. The bigger issue is the ceiling for this team as constructed and what direction the organization needs to go to get this right.

Dallas has a doofus HC and a bad D but I don’t see the Giants beating Dallas for the division. If you thought today was bad, wait until they face a Dallas offense that features an exponentially better QB, OL, and skill players. Tampa has one of the best fronts in the league and they still had problems pressuring Dak.


I’m more worried about the saints in 3 weeks they are going to curb stomp us
Ohara comments  
giantstock : 9/13/2021 3:02 am : link
He said on Postgame that the defense played well.

Couldn't believe he said it and inferred it again - and again.
I expected to see that the Giants improved over last season -  
Ira : 9/13/2021 3:11 am : link
especially on offense. Instead it looked like they regressed.
RE: Giants likely win Thursday  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/13/2021 4:41 am : link
In comment 15363505 WillVAB said:
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Facing a backup QB and a team they’ve owned. The bigger issue is the ceiling for this team as constructed and what direction the organization needs to go to get this right.

Dallas has a doofus HC and a bad D but I don’t see the Giants beating Dallas for the division. If you thought today was bad, wait until they face a Dallas offense that features an exponentially better QB, OL, and skill players. Tampa has one of the best fronts in the league and they still had problems pressuring Dak.


After watching yesterday's game, I have no idea how anyone thinks we beat Washington on Thursday night. None. & I know we own Washington.
Did anyone on this thread mention  
M.S. : 9/13/2021 4:50 am : link

How badly our O-line played, especially in the run game?

What happened to all those holes that Wayne Gallman ran through last season?

No O-Line. No pass rush. No pass defense. And a QB who fumbles at inopportune times.

We’re rooting for a bunch of players who are accustomed to losing and seem quite comfortable with that.

And nothing will change until this entire franchise is torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. There’s precious little to salvage with this hot mess.
I thought the oline pass blocked well  
nygiants16 : 9/13/2021 6:50 am : link
which is funny because we thought the run blocking would be good and pass blocking suck..

The turnovers by Jones is just killing any faith i have in him, He has talent, you can see it, that Pass to slayton was an abolute dime..

The defense has to get off the damn field, that drive to end the 1st qbsolutely was terrible by the defense can not let that happen..

Garrett sucks plain and simple, after a great play he runs an end around and loses 8 yarda, like wtf are you doing
RE: I thought the oline pass blocked well  
M.S. : 9/13/2021 6:57 am : link
In comment 15363685 nygiants16 said:
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which is funny because we thought the run blocking would be good and pass blocking suck..

The turnovers by Jones is just killing any faith i have in him, He has talent, you can see it, that Pass to slayton was an abolute dime..

The defense has to get off the damn field, that drive to end the 1st qbsolutely was terrible by the defense can not let that happen..

Garrett sucks plain and simple, after a great play he runs an end around and loses 8 yarda, like wtf are you doing

I agree with everything you said. Indeed, if every facet of play was at the level of our pass blocking, then the Giants would have at least played a competitive football game. Alas, what we saw yesterday was a team then never really made it out of the locker room.
I am concerned with Jason Garrett  
johnnyb : 9/13/2021 7:40 am : link
and his lousy play calling.

On one series, where the Giants recovered a fumble deep in their own territory, the Giants run Saquan into the line for a one yard gain, throw a short pass incomplete on second down and complete a short pass to a check down on third down. Three and out after what could have been a momentum changing turnover. Where was a pass attempt to Galloway? You recover a fumble, take a shot to your star receiver. It was the. And there I felt the game got away from the Giants.
RE: ….  
Dnew15 : 9/13/2021 8:16 am : link
In comment 15363475 ryanmkeane said:
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I mean there were like 6 plays that Bridgewater somehow magically escaped and made an incredible play. Gotta tip your cap. We got our ass beat - but he made some great plays as frustrating as it was.


I agree with you on that one. Teddy B was really good yesterday.

When's the last time our QB clearly outplayed the other team's QB?
RE: RE: Giants likely win Thursday  
WillVAB : 9/13/2021 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15363650 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15363505 WillVAB said:


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Facing a backup QB and a team they’ve owned. The bigger issue is the ceiling for this team as constructed and what direction the organization needs to go to get this right.

Dallas has a doofus HC and a bad D but I don’t see the Giants beating Dallas for the division. If you thought today was bad, wait until they face a Dallas offense that features an exponentially better QB, OL, and skill players. Tampa has one of the best fronts in the league and they still had problems pressuring Dak.



After watching yesterday's game, I have no idea how anyone thinks we beat Washington on Thursday night. None. & I know we own Washington.


It’s not about confidence in the Giants, it’s more about the lack of confidence in WFT. If Fitz was healthy I would think we’d be in line for one of his random 300 yard 4 TD games. But he’s not.
If the defense plays like that on Thursday, Heineke and McLaurin  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/13/2021 2:09 pm : link
will be doing cartwheels through the middle of the secondary.

Take nothing for granted until this team puts together 4 solid quarters of a complete football game.
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