Why would his value drop if legal issues resolved?
Right now with all the legal uncertainty, Texans are asking for about 5 picks in the 1st two rounds. I think it was 3 1s and multiple 2s. Insane to pay remotely close to that with his issues. If issues are resolved
, price is not going down
both legal and image, to the extent his team has completely bailed on him. Too many questions on him as a person, not to mention the Texans are asking a king's ransom for this knucklehead. Pay attention.
Houston is looking for 6 players for Watson. A combination of draft picks and current player. But he wasn't sure what they mix was...
I wouldn't touch Watson until these legal matters are adjudicated and I have complete clarity from the league office what they plan to do in terms of punishment.
If you read those accounts, I don't know how you can agree to having him on the team.
Second of all, in what world do you see John Mara standing up and answering questions about Watson's character and the accusations? This isn't Kerry Collins and his drinking.
If you read those accounts, I don't know how you can agree to having him on the team.
Second of all, in what world do you see John Mara standing up and answering questions about Watson's character and the accusations? This isn't Kerry Collins and his drinking.
both legal and image, to the extent his team has completely bailed on him. Too many questions on him as a person, not to mention the Texans are asking a king's ransom for this knucklehead. Pay attention.
^This. My understanding is that Houston will put him on the inactive list for every game, at least until his legal problems are resolved. No interest.
happy endings, all the rest is just fluff. It's exactly why he's not settling unless he gets traded. And he's only settling if its not an NDA. Usually its the complete opposite and tells you exactly all you need to know.
The Texans organization is behind this nonsense after he wanted out. The lawyer running the case (extremely unusual with 20 plus defendants) has strong ties to the Easterby. The same Easterby who only got a job because he completely fluffed his resume and is extremely religious. Him and the owner are tight and he bougth a house in the same neighborhood. The Texans just played one of the only games they'll win all year. You hate our ownership group? You should all try to be a Texans fan. Feel bad for Watson, but I'm sure his faith is keeping him strong in this trying time.
That being said, the asking price, plus his price tag. How the hell do you expect to build around him? It would make sense for a team that was literally just a QB away form a SB. We certainly don't look like that now.
The giants might do almost everything they can to win, but they won’t do anything. And it shows. If Watson walks the giants should be all over him, but they won’t and we all know it.
None of you have any clue but I assure you, the giants or any team needing a qb could and would make the cap room if and when needed for a franchise qb. Please just stop. Saying the giants won’t have cap room is nearly akin to saying they wouldn’t have cap room to sign Jones to a big contract, if it were warranted.
The giants conducted this offseason knowing full well they might have to pay Jones and Barkley in 1-2 years. Just because things look tight doesn’t mean they can’t move shit around, like every team does all the time.
This isn’t an economics issue. It’s the giants being scared shitless of bad PR. Dallas, Washington and Philly couldn’t give a fuck.
RE: Watson's legal problems extend to the fact he was paying for
happy endings, all the rest is just fluff. It's exactly why he's not settling unless he gets traded. And he's only settling if its not an NDA. Usually its the complete opposite and tells you exactly all you need to know.
The Texans organization is behind this nonsense after he wanted out. The lawyer running the case (extremely unusual with 20 plus defendants) has strong ties to the Easterby. The same Easterby who only got a job because he completely fluffed his resume and is extremely religious. Him and the owner are tight and he bougth a house in the same neighborhood. The Texans just played one of the only games they'll win all year. You hate our ownership group? You should all try to be a Texans fan. Feel bad for Watson, but I'm sure his faith is keeping him strong in this trying time.
That being said, the asking price, plus his price tag. How the hell do you expect to build around him? It would make sense for a team that was literally just a QB away form a SB. We certainly don't look like that now.
Well actually his legal issues stem from sexual assault.
happy endings, all the rest is just fluff. It's exactly why he's not settling unless he gets traded. And he's only settling if its not an NDA. Usually its the complete opposite and tells you exactly all you need to know.
The Texans organization is behind this nonsense after he wanted out. The lawyer running the case (extremely unusual with 20 plus defendants) has strong ties to the Easterby. The same Easterby who only got a job because he completely fluffed his resume and is extremely religious. Him and the owner are tight and he bougth a house in the same neighborhood. The Texans just played one of the only games they'll win all year. You hate our ownership group? You should all try to be a Texans fan. Feel bad for Watson, but I'm sure his faith is keeping him strong in this trying time.
That being said, the asking price, plus his price tag. How the hell do you expect to build around him? It would make sense for a team that was literally just a QB away form a SB. We certainly don't look like that now.
Well actually his legal issues stem from sexual assault.
And he’ll be exonerated if he’s even ever charged. He hasn’t been yet and most likely won’t. He has civil cases right now and all brought by the SAME lawyer. That’s extremely unusual. A bunch of these sex workers are looking for a pay day because they smell opportunity.
I bet you thought Baker was guilty as sin too when his only crime was stupidity.
The victims are not sex workers. They are massage therapists. There was an SI article over the summer that's worth your time if you want to post about this topic.
My belief is that Watson isn't seeing the field this season.
The victims are not sex workers. They are massage therapists. There was an SI article over the summer that's worth your time if you want to post about this topic.
My belief is that Watson isn't seeing the field this season.
Lots of licensed massage therapists are sex workers though which is the problem. If you just legalized this stuff there’d be no confusion. I mean she referred him to other therapists (probably ones she knew offered such services)
None of you have any clue but I assure you, the giants or any team needing a qb could and would make the cap room if and when needed for a franchise qb. Please just stop. Saying the giants won’t have cap room is nearly akin to saying they wouldn’t have cap room to sign Jones to a big contract, if it were warranted.
The giants conducted this offseason knowing full well they might have to pay Jones and Barkley in 1-2 years. Just because things look tight doesn’t mean they can’t move shit around, like every team does all the time.
This isn’t an economics issue. It’s the giants being scared shitless of bad PR. Dallas, Washington and Philly couldn’t give a fuck.
Exactly right. The Rams were hard against the cap, but managed to swing a trade for a veteran QB. You can make the money work. But unless something comes out to show that the legal action against Watson was an organized shakedown, I don't see in any way how the Mara's would be willing to take him on. And to be honest, I wouldn't blame them.
The victims are not sex workers. They are massage therapists. There was an SI article over the summer that's worth your time if you want to post about this topic.
My belief is that Watson isn't seeing the field this season.
Lots of licensed massage therapists are sex workers though which is the problem. If you just legalized this stuff there’d be no confusion. I mean she referred him to other therapists (probably ones she knew offered such services)
If you say so, but these specific accusers were not sex workers, otherwise Watson's lawyers would already have outed them as such. And women chose to add themselves to the same lawsuit, not uncommon and the reason why 22 women are represented by the same lawyer. Whatever happens, the conspiracy theory that this was all cooked up by Texans ownership (to what end, exactly?) is just that.
In any case, the point is I don't want the Giants anywhere near him.
The victims are not sex workers. They are massage therapists. There was an SI article over the summer that's worth your time if you want to post about this topic.
My belief is that Watson isn't seeing the field this season.
Lots of licensed massage therapists are sex workers though which is the problem. If you just legalized this stuff there’d be no confusion. I mean she referred him to other therapists (probably ones she knew offered such services)
If you say so, but these specific accusers were not sex workers, otherwise Watson's lawyers would already have outed them as such. And women chose to add themselves to the same lawsuit, not uncommon and the reason why 22 women are represented by the same lawyer. Whatever happens, the conspiracy theory that this was all cooked up by Texans ownership (to what end, exactly?) is just that.
In any case, the point is I don't want the Giants anywhere near him.
Spite, and exactly why when Buzzby came out and said the FBI was investigating, they countered that it was about extortion. In me too era you have to be very careful how you portray the women making accusations. It's not 1995 anymore.
The victims are not sex workers. They are massage therapists. There was an SI article over the summer that's worth your time if you want to post about this topic.
My belief is that Watson isn't seeing the field this season.
Lots of licensed massage therapists are sex workers though which is the problem. If you just legalized this stuff there’d be no confusion. I mean she referred him to other therapists (probably ones she knew offered such services)
If you say so, but these specific accusers were not sex workers, otherwise Watson's lawyers would already have outed them as such. And women chose to add themselves to the same lawsuit, not uncommon and the reason why 22 women are represented by the same lawyer. Whatever happens, the conspiracy theory that this was all cooked up by Texans ownership (to what end, exactly?) is just that.
In any case, the point is I don't want the Giants anywhere near him.
Spite, and exactly why when Buzzby came out and said the FBI was investigating, they countered that it was about extortion. In me too era you have to be very careful how you portray the women making accusations. It's not 1995 anymore.
Spite? Hilarious. False accusations are a crime, so I'm Houston is risking the FBI coming down on them for spite. And no, its not 1995 anymore. If anyone has evidence these massage therapists were sex workers, we would have heard that by now, don't ya think?
The FBI was investigating one out of the 22 accusers for extortion. That accuser has since dropped off the case, and a different person has been added, so back up to 22.
and these were consensual transactions, he was still involved in prostitution, which, last time I checked, is illegal in 49 states, and the largest city in the 50th. While I personally don't think it should be illegal, there is a zero chance that the Mara's would be willing to take that on.
but social issues usually aren't one of them. At the bare minimum Watson is a serial sex solicitor which is bad for business. The next run is atleast 1 of the accounts against him is true (which I think is pretty reasonable). Worst case scenario is more or all accounts are true (probably not reasonable to assume but certainly not discounting it).
Metoo has swung the pendulum too far at times but it still got far more right than it did wrong. I get being skeptical but Watson isn't a guy I'm sticking my next out for if im a coach or GM - i'd rather continue to stink then take a shot on sending picks and players for him.
The Texans have been sitting on this for a while and as soom
as he sets out for a trade all this shit comes out? Yeah I’d call that spite.
I’m sure he solicited some actual massage therapists only, but it kind of comes with the territory in the business. Why? Because the moral police want to control what two consenting adults agree on for whatever reason. If Watson was guilty I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t want to settle with a bunch of NDAs and let the NFL suspend him. He’s not and insisting any settlements are made public, that’s on the record. This thing stinks to high heaven. Quantity isn’t quality evidence and I’d hate to be on trial with the where there’s smoke there fire types. Saw the same thing play out with Baker.
and its not 1 case. Add in his other issues which aren't even related to this case and he's just a really bad gamble. These are NFL teams running a business and sure, winning is great, but they make money regardless and he's a liability right now.
RE: The Texans have been sitting on this for a while and as soom
as he sets out for a trade all this shit comes out? Yeah I’d call that spite.
I’m sure he solicited some actual massage therapists only, but it kind of comes with the territory in the business. Why? Because the moral police want to control what two consenting adults agree on for whatever reason. If Watson was guilty I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t want to settle with a bunch of NDAs and let the NFL suspend him. He’s not and insisting any settlements are made public, that’s on the record. This thing stinks to high heaven. Quantity isn’t quality evidence and I’d hate to be on trial with the where there’s smoke there fire types. Saw the same thing play out with Baker.
So the Texans, not wanting to see DeShaun leave, "release" allegations once made public are sure to keep him from playing? Makes sense.
And I don't know why you keep bringing up Mayfield. He pleaded guilty to drunkenly running from the cops and was fined. He admitted his guilt. Not sure why that wouldn't be "fire."
Deandre Baker not Baker Mayfield as if that wasn’t obvious
You aren’t familiar with the Texas ownership group, which is fine, but they are a complete fucking dumpster fire. Make the Maras look like the Rooney’s.
RE: The Texans have been sitting on this for a while and as soom
as he sets out for a trade all this shit comes out? Yeah I’d call that spite.
I’m sure he solicited some actual massage therapists only, but it kind of comes with the territory in the business. Why? Because the moral police want to control what two consenting adults agree on for whatever reason. If Watson was guilty I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t want to settle with a bunch of NDAs and let the NFL suspend him. He’s not and insisting any settlements are made public, that’s on the record. This thing stinks to high heaven. Quantity isn’t quality evidence and I’d hate to be on trial with the where there’s smoke there fire types. Saw the same thing play out with Baker.
The Texans "releasing" this information just doesn't make any sense. What was their end game? Damage his value so much that no other team wants him? Regardless of how bad the relationship got, no business is going to purposely devalue its premier asset.
and its not 1 case. Add in his other issues which aren't even related to this case and he's just a really bad gamble. These are NFL teams running a business and sure, winning is great, but they make money regardless and he's a liability right now.
Oh I def wouldn’t trade for him the price is much too high, really just talking about the case itself.
RE: RE: The Texans have been sitting on this for a while and as soom
The Texans "releasing" this information just doesn't make any sense. What was their end game? Damage his value so much that no other team wants him? Regardless of how bad the relationship got, no business is going to purposely devalue its premier asset.
I think you guys need to look at the Texans ownership group and Easterby. Doing Gods Work by punishing Watson is probably more important than winning to them, no joke. Evangelicals aren’t exactly rational.
25 year old franchise QB, less than 2 years older than Daniel Jones.
signed long-term with huge cap numbers - not sure how the trade accelerates bonuses on the cap to hit the Texans and lower the acquiring team.
if you can make the cap work and do it. Not worried about character issues.
Right now with all the legal uncertainty, Texans are asking for about 5 picks in the 1st two rounds. I think it was 3 1s and multiple 2s. Insane to pay remotely close to that with his issues. If issues are resolved
, price is not going down
We're in a horrible spot as we're not going to be able to blow it up if it goes wrong again this year.
but if his legal issues, especially the criminal investigations, are not expected to be resolved, then why would you trade for him?
The Texans have no leverage IMO unless or until Watson is suspended by the league, right now AFAIK they're paying him to not play.
Totally agreed.
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Totally agreed.
Same.
I wouldn't touch Watson until these legal matters are adjudicated and I have complete clarity from the league office what they plan to do in terms of punishment.
Second of all, in what world do you see John Mara standing up and answering questions about Watson's character and the accusations? This isn't Kerry Collins and his drinking.
Second of all, in what world do you see John Mara standing up and answering questions about Watson's character and the accusations? This isn't Kerry Collins and his drinking.
100% agree!
^This. My understanding is that Houston will put him on the inactive list for every game, at least until his legal problems are resolved. No interest.
What? Completely untrue. Mahomes mere presence helps the OL and we probably hang 30 yesterday with him.
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been our QB yesterday and we would have lost. Team looked flat on both sides of the ball.
What? Completely untrue. Mahomes mere presence helps the OL and we probably hang 30 yesterday with him.
Who would win in a fight, Hulk or Superman?
The Texans organization is behind this nonsense after he wanted out. The lawyer running the case (extremely unusual with 20 plus defendants) has strong ties to the Easterby. The same Easterby who only got a job because he completely fluffed his resume and is extremely religious. Him and the owner are tight and he bougth a house in the same neighborhood. The Texans just played one of the only games they'll win all year. You hate our ownership group? You should all try to be a Texans fan. Feel bad for Watson, but I'm sure his faith is keeping him strong in this trying time.
That being said, the asking price, plus his price tag. How the hell do you expect to build around him? It would make sense for a team that was literally just a QB away form a SB. We certainly don't look like that now.
The giants might do almost everything they can to win, but they won’t do anything. And it shows. If Watson walks the giants should be all over him, but they won’t and we all know it.
The giants conducted this offseason knowing full well they might have to pay Jones and Barkley in 1-2 years. Just because things look tight doesn’t mean they can’t move shit around, like every team does all the time.
This isn’t an economics issue. It’s the giants being scared shitless of bad PR. Dallas, Washington and Philly couldn’t give a fuck.
The Texans organization is behind this nonsense after he wanted out. The lawyer running the case (extremely unusual with 20 plus defendants) has strong ties to the Easterby. The same Easterby who only got a job because he completely fluffed his resume and is extremely religious. Him and the owner are tight and he bougth a house in the same neighborhood. The Texans just played one of the only games they'll win all year. You hate our ownership group? You should all try to be a Texans fan. Feel bad for Watson, but I'm sure his faith is keeping him strong in this trying time.
That being said, the asking price, plus his price tag. How the hell do you expect to build around him? It would make sense for a team that was literally just a QB away form a SB. We certainly don't look like that now.
Well actually his legal issues stem from sexual assault.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/06/sports/football/deshaun-watsons-ashley-solis-lawsuit.html?referringSource=articleShare
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happy endings, all the rest is just fluff. It's exactly why he's not settling unless he gets traded. And he's only settling if its not an NDA. Usually its the complete opposite and tells you exactly all you need to know.
The Texans organization is behind this nonsense after he wanted out. The lawyer running the case (extremely unusual with 20 plus defendants) has strong ties to the Easterby. The same Easterby who only got a job because he completely fluffed his resume and is extremely religious. Him and the owner are tight and he bougth a house in the same neighborhood. The Texans just played one of the only games they'll win all year. You hate our ownership group? You should all try to be a Texans fan. Feel bad for Watson, but I'm sure his faith is keeping him strong in this trying time.
That being said, the asking price, plus his price tag. How the hell do you expect to build around him? It would make sense for a team that was literally just a QB away form a SB. We certainly don't look like that now.
Well actually his legal issues stem from sexual assault.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/06/sports/football/deshaun-watsons-ashley-solis-lawsuit.html?referringSource=articleShare
And he’ll be exonerated if he’s even ever charged. He hasn’t been yet and most likely won’t. He has civil cases right now and all brought by the SAME lawyer. That’s extremely unusual. A bunch of these sex workers are looking for a pay day because they smell opportunity.
I bet you thought Baker was guilty as sin too when his only crime was stupidity.
My belief is that Watson isn't seeing the field this season.
My belief is that Watson isn't seeing the field this season.
Lots of licensed massage therapists are sex workers though which is the problem. If you just legalized this stuff there’d be no confusion. I mean she referred him to other therapists (probably ones she knew offered such services)
The giants conducted this offseason knowing full well they might have to pay Jones and Barkley in 1-2 years. Just because things look tight doesn’t mean they can’t move shit around, like every team does all the time.
This isn’t an economics issue. It’s the giants being scared shitless of bad PR. Dallas, Washington and Philly couldn’t give a fuck.
Exactly right. The Rams were hard against the cap, but managed to swing a trade for a veteran QB. You can make the money work. But unless something comes out to show that the legal action against Watson was an organized shakedown, I don't see in any way how the Mara's would be willing to take him on. And to be honest, I wouldn't blame them.
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The victims are not sex workers. They are massage therapists. There was an SI article over the summer that's worth your time if you want to post about this topic.
My belief is that Watson isn't seeing the field this season.
Lots of licensed massage therapists are sex workers though which is the problem. If you just legalized this stuff there’d be no confusion. I mean she referred him to other therapists (probably ones she knew offered such services)
If you say so, but these specific accusers were not sex workers, otherwise Watson's lawyers would already have outed them as such. And women chose to add themselves to the same lawsuit, not uncommon and the reason why 22 women are represented by the same lawyer. Whatever happens, the conspiracy theory that this was all cooked up by Texans ownership (to what end, exactly?) is just that.
In any case, the point is I don't want the Giants anywhere near him.
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The victims are not sex workers. They are massage therapists. There was an SI article over the summer that's worth your time if you want to post about this topic.
My belief is that Watson isn't seeing the field this season.
Lots of licensed massage therapists are sex workers though which is the problem. If you just legalized this stuff there’d be no confusion. I mean she referred him to other therapists (probably ones she knew offered such services)
If you say so, but these specific accusers were not sex workers, otherwise Watson's lawyers would already have outed them as such. And women chose to add themselves to the same lawsuit, not uncommon and the reason why 22 women are represented by the same lawyer. Whatever happens, the conspiracy theory that this was all cooked up by Texans ownership (to what end, exactly?) is just that.
In any case, the point is I don't want the Giants anywhere near him.
Spite, and exactly why when Buzzby came out and said the FBI was investigating, they countered that it was about extortion. In me too era you have to be very careful how you portray the women making accusations. It's not 1995 anymore.
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been our QB yesterday and we would have lost. Team looked flat on both sides of the ball.
What? Completely untrue. Mahomes mere presence helps the OL and we probably hang 30 yesterday with him.
Would Green Bay have won if they had Mahomes?
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The victims are not sex workers. They are massage therapists. There was an SI article over the summer that's worth your time if you want to post about this topic.
My belief is that Watson isn't seeing the field this season.
Lots of licensed massage therapists are sex workers though which is the problem. If you just legalized this stuff there’d be no confusion. I mean she referred him to other therapists (probably ones she knew offered such services)
If you say so, but these specific accusers were not sex workers, otherwise Watson's lawyers would already have outed them as such. And women chose to add themselves to the same lawsuit, not uncommon and the reason why 22 women are represented by the same lawyer. Whatever happens, the conspiracy theory that this was all cooked up by Texans ownership (to what end, exactly?) is just that.
In any case, the point is I don't want the Giants anywhere near him.
Spite, and exactly why when Buzzby came out and said the FBI was investigating, they countered that it was about extortion. In me too era you have to be very careful how you portray the women making accusations. It's not 1995 anymore.
Spite? Hilarious. False accusations are a crime, so I'm Houston is risking the FBI coming down on them for spite. And no, its not 1995 anymore. If anyone has evidence these massage therapists were sex workers, we would have heard that by now, don't ya think?
The FBI was investigating one out of the 22 accusers for extortion. That accuser has since dropped off the case, and a different person has been added, so back up to 22.
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been our QB yesterday and we would have lost. Team looked flat on both sides of the ball.
What? Completely untrue. Mahomes mere presence helps the OL and we probably hang 30 yesterday with him.
Would Green Bay have won if they had Mahomes?
Which game are we talking about?
Metoo has swung the pendulum too far at times but it still got far more right than it did wrong. I get being skeptical but Watson isn't a guy I'm sticking my next out for if im a coach or GM - i'd rather continue to stink then take a shot on sending picks and players for him.
I’m sure he solicited some actual massage therapists only, but it kind of comes with the territory in the business. Why? Because the moral police want to control what two consenting adults agree on for whatever reason. If Watson was guilty I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t want to settle with a bunch of NDAs and let the NFL suspend him. He’s not and insisting any settlements are made public, that’s on the record. This thing stinks to high heaven. Quantity isn’t quality evidence and I’d hate to be on trial with the where there’s smoke there fire types. Saw the same thing play out with Baker.
I’m sure he solicited some actual massage therapists only, but it kind of comes with the territory in the business. Why? Because the moral police want to control what two consenting adults agree on for whatever reason. If Watson was guilty I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t want to settle with a bunch of NDAs and let the NFL suspend him. He’s not and insisting any settlements are made public, that’s on the record. This thing stinks to high heaven. Quantity isn’t quality evidence and I’d hate to be on trial with the where there’s smoke there fire types. Saw the same thing play out with Baker.
So the Texans, not wanting to see DeShaun leave, "release" allegations once made public are sure to keep him from playing? Makes sense.
And I don't know why you keep bringing up Mayfield. He pleaded guilty to drunkenly running from the cops and was fined. He admitted his guilt. Not sure why that wouldn't be "fire."
I’m sure he solicited some actual massage therapists only, but it kind of comes with the territory in the business. Why? Because the moral police want to control what two consenting adults agree on for whatever reason. If Watson was guilty I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t want to settle with a bunch of NDAs and let the NFL suspend him. He’s not and insisting any settlements are made public, that’s on the record. This thing stinks to high heaven. Quantity isn’t quality evidence and I’d hate to be on trial with the where there’s smoke there fire types. Saw the same thing play out with Baker.
The Texans "releasing" this information just doesn't make any sense. What was their end game? Damage his value so much that no other team wants him? Regardless of how bad the relationship got, no business is going to purposely devalue its premier asset.
Oh I def wouldn’t trade for him the price is much too high, really just talking about the case itself.
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The Texans "releasing" this information just doesn't make any sense. What was their end game? Damage his value so much that no other team wants him? Regardless of how bad the relationship got, no business is going to purposely devalue its premier asset.
I think you guys need to look at the Texans ownership group and Easterby. Doing Gods Work by punishing Watson is probably more important than winning to them, no joke. Evangelicals aren’t exactly rational.