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Talk is Cheap - Just Play The Game!

gidiefor : Mod : 9/13/2021 7:44 am
I didn't come here to listen, I came to watch.

I really hope what I was listening to, and watching, yesterday is not what I have to listen to, and watch, for the rest of the season. Because the Giants failed to show up as promised.

I don't think anyone on this board expected less than one of the ten best defenses in the league to show up, instead we got what was possibly the Giants worst defensive performance in the last two seasons. I mean the defense was worse swiss cheese last night than at anytime last year.

And the offense, it was like a competition with the defense for who was worse.

Holy cr@p! I just have to erase this game from my memory banks and hope that it was just an aberration.
discouraging being at the game yesterday.  
Giants86 : 9/13/2021 7:47 am : link
We get outplayed on both of the lines. It's been a consistent pattern the last several years. We lack a pass rush and we can't get a push on the offensive line. Let's hope it improves dramatically. Two winnable games coming up!
it was rough...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/13/2021 7:48 am : link
...looking forward to Thursday.

Go Giants!
Here are my honest feelings  
cjac : 9/13/2021 7:50 am : link
Ever since i got off the plane from Indianapolis to Newark on February 6th 2012

Being a Giant fan has been an absolute NIGHTMARE. Even the 2016 season was just a mirage and total tease as we all know that team was not as good as the record suggested.

I feel like i'm living a nightmare

New players, new coaches, same results.

I'm just not sure what to do or where to go from here
the bottle, cjac  
islander1 : 9/13/2021 7:52 am : link
we just go straight to the bottle.
Our defense was a huge letdown.  
johnnyb : 9/13/2021 7:52 am : link
Apparently the Broncos’ coaching staff ignored the preseason hype and challenged us on 4th down three times, succeeding on all three. This shows a lack of respect I thought the Giant defense earned. Apparently not.
Run the ball. Nope  
Les in TO : 9/13/2021 7:56 am : link
Stop the run. Nope. Rush the passer. Nope. Saquon is human and not touched by the hand of God. Daniel Jones is a faster Dave Brown. This wasn’t an aberration. It’s more of the same garbage
Shurmur outcoached Graham yesterday. There were way too many  
Ira : 9/13/2021 7:57 am : link
Broncos receivers getting wide open.
RE: the bottle, cjac  
cjac : 9/13/2021 7:59 am : link
In comment 15363750 islander1 said:
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we just go straight to the bottle.


Yeah this team sure will make you put a Bulleit in your mouth....
The upsetting part of this,  
AnnapolisMike : 9/13/2021 8:17 am : link
Is that this was a really important year for Jones, Barkley, etc. If this season does shit the bed it all gets dismantled and the losing will continue for another couple years at least.
I'll speak for myself here and no one else  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/13/2021 8:17 am : link
I do not view myself as a doom and gloom fan or someone that always keys in on the negative aspects of the team. I have felt uneasy about this team for years. I have no great revelations or insight to share. It has been the disaster of the back half of Reese's tenure, the wasting of half of Eli's career, McAdoo, Shurmur but most of all, Gettleman that has made me have little to no confidence in the Giants of late. The Giants remain a very poorly run organization from ownership, to personnel to coaching. Perhaps the thing that upset me the most yesterday was the play calling (Garrett).

Heading into this season, I have felt the onus was on Jones to show us he is an NFL QB that can win this franchise a championship. Yesterday was more of the same from Jones. Good throws, a lot of misses and a colossal mistake that lead to another bad loss. And the opposing QB was the better QB on the field yesterday.

How I felt coming into yesterday is how I feel today. What has changed in the last few years? I can't honestly say. I love the tone that Judge has set for the team, but it has to produce results. It does appear that we lack the management, coaching (largely Garrett) and personnel to really think about competing with good teams in the NFL.

I felt worried about this team all off season. I wasn't doom and gloom, wasn't relishing in shitting on Jones or anyone else. But this level of performance is exactly what I and many other Giants fans were worried about.

It was one game. We will see how the rest of the season pans out.
RE: Shurmur outcoached Graham yesterday. There were way too many  
Dnew15 : 9/13/2021 8:18 am : link
In comment 15363759 Ira said:
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Broncos receivers getting wide open.


There were times when Bronco receivers weren't open and Teddy B put it right on the money.

Shurmur and Teddy B were way better than Garrett and DJ yesterday.
BoldRuler  
Dnew15 : 9/13/2021 8:19 am : link
you are on the money with your post.

Totally agree w/ your stance.
This team almost lost me with McAdoo/Shurmur  
mittenedman : 9/13/2021 8:23 am : link
and really pulled me back in with Judge.

I have a very short rope right now, as I'm sure lots of fans do. They look like they don't even practice. All this discipline, tough guy act actually looks like a bad comedy act.

The mediocre Broncos don't run laps, they just beat the ever living sh#t out of you Judge.
The Giant defense had some tough outings last year as well  
chick310 : 9/13/2021 8:23 am : link
Particularly when the offense wasn't getting much done and they couldn't get off the field on third down.

The Defense matured and gained some good momentum as the year went along when they started scheming around the other weak corners (non Bradberry CBs). Not sure what fell apart yesterday although Denver was going after the slot CB and using their TEs a good bit.
Graham got his lunch money taken in the 49ers, Cardinals, and Ravens  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/13/2021 8:27 am : link
games last year.

Fans were riding a bit too high on this idea that Graham is a genius in the making. And I like him and I think he's good, but his strengths so far seem to be making adjustments after a bad game and bouncing back.
Graham had to be frustrated seeing his Defense play so  
chick310 : 9/13/2021 8:37 am : link
undisciplined yesterday and the lack of execution.

Numerous times they had Bridgewater almost "cornered" and he extended the play and was able to find a target on the back end. He turned a handful of plays that should have been negative ones into actual positive ones.

His launch point was so low on so many different throws as well it was shocking the Giant defenders at all 3 levels couldn't get their hands on and knock down more balls.

Adoree Jackson was an expensive new piece. And Darnay Holmes continues to be a target. Both need a major bounceback on Thursday as the WFT Offensive Coordinator will be going right at them.
Listening to carl banks  
TrueBlue56 : 9/13/2021 8:40 am : link
with Bob papa, he was saying how the broncos were running a 2 read offense. Bridgewater knew where his 1st read was and if that wasn't open, his 2nd read would be. The broncos were running crossing (rub) routes and the defense couldn't stop it. Bridgewater was getting the ball out quick, which negated any potential pass rush.

It reminds me a bit of early last year when the steelers essentially did the same exact thing to the defense. The ran rub routes and crossing routes all day.

While the performance was very disappointing, I am not going to panic. They have things to fix for sure, but plenty of games to be played and I still believe we have the right coach to lead this team.

Time will tell
We’re the giants talking?  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2021 8:44 am : link
pretty sure they do their mandatory press conferences and not much else.
RE: Shurmur outcoached Graham yesterday. There were way too many  
Ron Johnson : 9/13/2021 8:44 am : link
In comment 15363759 Ira said:
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Broncos receivers getting wide open.


Why didn’t he ‘coach’ receivers to get wide open when he was here?
RE: Graham had to be frustrated seeing his Defense play so  
rsjem1979 : 9/13/2021 8:47 am : link
In comment 15363834 chick310 said:
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undisciplined yesterday and the lack of execution.

Numerous times they had Bridgewater almost "cornered" and he extended the play and was able to find a target on the back end. He turned a handful of plays that should have been negative ones into actual positive ones


A lot of geniuses around here think Bridgewater stinks and Jones is good - but what you just said is accurate. Bridgewater was pressured on several occasions, but his awareness and footwork allowed him to extend plays and keep drives moving.
It really is crazy  
mittenedman : 9/13/2021 8:50 am : link
how little respect the Broncos had for our defense yesterday. Need a 1st down? Just go for it on 4th down. No problem, no fear of anything bad happening.

That was basically a major "FU" to the Giants D by the Broncos staff. Shows you what they really think.
And BTW  
mittenedman : 9/13/2021 8:52 am : link
Yes - Teddy Bridgewater badly outplayed Daniel Jones.

Switch the 2 QBs and the Giants might win the game. Bridgewater is a pro QB who can find completions when everyone's reasonably covered.

Huge part of playing NFL QB is finding completions. Go back to the opening drive. 3rd and 17 on the cusp on FG range. Jones throws incomplete.

The D will be defending the sticks: You HAVE TO find a short completion there to get a FG attempt. Jones throws it in the dirt.
RE: Listening to carl banks  
chick310 : 9/13/2021 8:56 am : link
In comment 15363841 TrueBlue56 said:
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with Bob papa, he was saying how the broncos were running a 2 read offense. Bridgewater knew where his 1st read was and if that wasn't open, his 2nd read would be. The broncos were running crossing (rub) routes and the defense couldn't stop it. Bridgewater was getting the ball out quick, which negated any potential pass rush.

It reminds me a bit of early last year when the steelers essentially did the same exact thing to the defense. The ran rub routes and crossing routes all day.

While the performance was very disappointing, I am not going to panic. They have things to fix for sure, but plenty of games to be played and I still believe we have the right coach to lead this team.

Time will tell


I wouldn't characterize yesterday as Bridgewater getting the ball out quick at all. He extended plenty of plays and often went to second and third reads.

Is this what the radio broadcast really said?
RE: It really is crazy  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2021 8:57 am : link
In comment 15363865 mittenedman said:
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how little respect the Broncos had for our defense yesterday. Need a 1st down? Just go for it on 4th down. No problem, no fear of anything bad happening.

That was basically a major "FU" to the Giants D by the Broncos staff. Shows you what they really think.


I take it more as an FU to the offense. That midfield 4th and 2 to them was worth the risk because we couldn't get the ground game going at all.

Yesterday we saw what happens when aggressive playcalling meets timid playcalling. As much as I want Garrett to workout here I'm seeing exactly what happened in Dallas despite all that talent he had to work with - just not very creative.
RE: It really is crazy  
chick310 : 9/13/2021 8:59 am : link
In comment 15363865 mittenedman said:
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how little respect the Broncos had for our defense yesterday. Need a 1st down? Just go for it on 4th down. No problem, no fear of anything bad happening.

That was basically a major "FU" to the Giants D by the Broncos staff. Shows you what they really think.


Agreed. I would also say Giant fans should get used to this happening more often because other teams have little concern the NYG Offense will burn them with a short filed if they don't convert on 4th down.

There is minimal threat coming for a team that has no chance of scoring 20 points a game with these players/scheme.
RE: RE: Shurmur outcoached Graham yesterday. There were way too many  
Toth029 : 9/13/2021 9:00 am : link
In comment 15363800 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 15363759 Ira said:


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Broncos receivers getting wide open.



There were times when Bronco receivers weren't open and Teddy B put it right on the money.

Shurmur and Teddy B were way better than Garrett and DJ yesterday.


They were facing Graham and his boys. Apples and oranges.

Jones and guys like Golladay, Rudolph, Toney and Barkley need the reps together because the latter missed so much time.
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