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Preseason Games - I will be that poster

GNewGiants : 9/13/2021 8:19 am
I know there was a lot of back and forth between posters about the importance of preseason games and how sometimes they are viewed as meaningless. I think it is time we start to reconsider how Judge looks at preseason games. Maybe they are a lot more important than what we view them as.

While controlled scrimmages, lives hitting in practice, and contact drills are important - it still does not beat going into a game situation, getting into a huddle, lining up, crowd noise, and everything that goes into a game. Even if it is going against 2nd and third stringers, routines are quite different from a game and a controlled scrimmage. This team for years (under TC, McAdoo, Shurmur, and now Judge) come out the first few weeks looking woefully underprepared. And yes there is talent issues, however being non-competitive to start the year is just inexcusable.

We have an inexperienced OL, a QB who struggled last year and a lot of young and new guys coming in. Sitting the majority of them the first two games proved to be a mistake. And before you look up - yes Teddy Bridgewater played in all 3 preseason games. And he looked just fine.

You cannot worry about injuries when you lack talent. Its football. Guys get hurt. Our starters needed to play more and sit less as if they have everything down pat. We dont have a QB like a Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, etc that has everything down pat.

While Judge says all the right things, he did not have the team prepared yesterday and didnt know the rules about the challenge flag (dont tell me he did it on purpose, because if he did - thats even worse wasting a TO.)

That was one of the most depressing losses because I was hopeful that we would start the year with some hope and something to look forward too. Now all we have is hoping the Bears will be bad as us and teams like Detroit, Houston, and Jacksonville win games - so we have a shot at maybe a Thibodeaux and a Rattler.
The offense was 31 in the league last year  
UberAlias : 9/13/2021 8:22 am : link
They look like the same offense. Pre-season playing time isn't the cause or the answer to where we are.
RE: The offense was 31 in the league last year  
GNewGiants : 9/13/2021 8:26 am : link
In comment 15363807 UberAlias said:
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They look like the same offense. Pre-season playing time isn't the cause or the answer to where we are.


A whole bunch of new guys, and young guys needs reps and playing time. Plus, it looked like our defense needed some more time too. Confidence and success can be built upon in preseason.
It is part of the cause  
mdthedream : 9/13/2021 8:28 am : link
They needed to come out of the gate strong and they where not ready. If your last in the league guess what you need to do? Work! No resting players during preseason games.
I'm with you GNew  
mittenedman : 9/13/2021 8:32 am : link
Judge has lost the benefit of the doubt with me. I thought it was Bullshit he didn't play anybody week 1 or 2 of preseason. It blew up in his face - they CLEARLY need the work.

Judge needs to start winning games to live up to his reputation. 6-11. Does he know what he's doing or is he another Belichick tree mirage?
I was very critical of Judge’s decisionmaking during preseason  
cosmicj : 9/13/2021 8:38 am : link
But it’s not a fire able offense. He needs to course correct and learn from the experience.

In fact, would it have been so bad for the starting offense to play significant minutes in the preseason and maybe dominate an opponent’s second string unit? Maybe some confidence building and settling into routine?
Cannot do much about the WRs and Saquon being out  
chick310 : 9/13/2021 8:48 am : link
for preseason, but I also agree with the sentiment that the starting QB, Offensive Line and some Defensive Lineman needed to play more this summer.

I know they wanted to use games as a "tryout" for the reserve OL, except the only thing that happened there was the coaches decided to cut everybody and replace them with other team's favorable depth at the position. And I don't imagine DJ's final preseason game made anybody really comfortable in the front office or coaching staff.

Until the team starts showing better (or as well as its competition) early in the season, it is difficult to support the NYG mindset for preseason games.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/13/2021 8:50 am : link
Unfortunately, majority of NFL teams now view the preseason as “don’t get hurt” instead of “let’s play a lot so we can get some rhythm”

I mean - it goes both ways. The Rams played absolutely nobody in preseason and looked amazing last night
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GNewGiants : 9/13/2021 8:52 am : link
In comment 15363864 ryanmkeane said:
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Unfortunately, majority of NFL teams now view the preseason as “don’t get hurt” instead of “let’s play a lot so we can get some rhythm”

I mean - it goes both ways. The Rams played absolutely nobody in preseason and looked amazing last night


The Rams are also a veteran laden team with the majority of players back. Stafford, while new, has been in the league for over a decade. And is a good QB.

Jones is still young and not good. Not giving him reps along with the OL - is just inexcusable.
Ok, here is the deal  
jvm52106 : 9/13/2021 8:53 am : link
SB, KT, KG, KR all would have missed the pre-season games. Shane L. and Solder would have missed at least 1 and Peart would have missed at least 1.

I will say though Denver's play on offense was anything great but keep in mind they had a full blown QB competition all summer. Meaning the #1's played together a LOT.

We can cray about the offense BUT, the defense lost the game. They couldn't get off the field to save their lives. They were worn out by the end of the 3rd qtr. Our offense was hardly on the field.

RE: Ok, here is the deal  
Dankbeerman : 9/13/2021 8:58 am : link
In comment 15363872 jvm52106 said:
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SB, KT, KG, KR all would have missed the pre-season games. Shane L. and Solder would have missed at least 1 and Peart would have missed at least 1.

I will say though Denver's play on offense was anything great but keep in mind they had a full blown QB competition all summer. Meaning the #1's played together a LOT.

We can cray about the offense BUT, the defense lost the game. They couldn't get off the field to save their lives. They were worn out by the end of the 3rd qtr. Our offense was hardly on the field.


The Offense can be blamed for hardly beingn on the field too.

They had a couple zero effect 3 and out drives.

Most notably when backed up against the endzone and running 3 give up plays and punting.
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Mdgiantsfan : 9/13/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15363864 ryanmkeane said:
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Unfortunately, majority of NFL teams now view the preseason as “don’t get hurt” instead of “let’s play a lot so we can get some rhythm”

I mean - it goes both ways. The Rams played absolutely nobody in preseason and looked amazing last night


The Rams plugged in a very good QB into a team stacked with decent talent. Stafford was an upgrade over Goff, so that was not unexpected. Add to that they have a creative offensive mind!

They can afford to look at the preseason in such a way when you have a unit like that. For me, I understand the injury risk but for a team like the Giants you cannot look at it like that IMO. I've said a few times, but this team got a little hot last year but needed help to get into the playoffs which they didn't get. To use the first few weeks of the regular season to get right will have them in the same position. And then to see the performance we saw yesterday on opening day in front of the home crowd for the first time in over a year and honoring 9/11....just WOW...extremely disappointing.

RE: RE: The offense was 31 in the league last year  
UberAlias : 9/13/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15363811 GNewGiants said:
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They look like the same offense. Pre-season playing time isn't the cause or the answer to where we are.



A whole bunch of new guys, and young guys needs reps and playing time. Plus, it looked like our defense needed some more time too. Confidence and success can be built upon in preseason.
First off, a lot of those new guys were injured. Are we supposed to rush them back to get in reps in preseason? How much pre-season time do you think would have made a difference yesterday? A few series, a quarter? The had 4 days of practices with a different team which allowed them to work on all the same things situationally but in a controlled environment.
Apprarently  
wonderback : 9/13/2021 10:54 am : link
That didn’t work!
Dungy made that point last night,  
Section331 : 9/13/2021 11:08 am : link
that he thinks many coaches will rethink not playing their starters more in preseason. While I understand coaches emphasizing intrasquad practices more than preseason games, but the practices are very scripted, and there is a difference playing on TV in front of live crowds.
Lets pretend yesterday was a preseason game  
bcinsd : 9/13/2021 11:41 am : link
Starters all played and got much more time to work together then they realistically could have in any/all preseason games.

Do you really expect to see a major improvement next week? I don't.

NFL is about player TALENT. Especially QB talent. We have a major talent deficiency. Lousy drafts have left team needing to acquire expensive free agents. We have a terrible team with a maxed out salary cap and need for a new QB. A recipe for long term pain. They'll always be my team, but this organization is as bad a any in NFL
100%  
Kmed6000 : 9/13/2021 11:58 am : link
Who the hell does this staff think we are not playing anyone in the preseason? We looked like a preseason team yesterday.
The preseason thing needs to fucking die  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2021 11:59 am : link
Plenty of coaches don't play players in preseason and go out and win and dominate week 1.

What's inexcusable is the coaches having all year to prep and thats the gameplan we got (on both sides of the ball)
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Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2021 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15363896 Mdgiantsfan said:
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In comment 15363864 ryanmkeane said:


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Unfortunately, majority of NFL teams now view the preseason as “don’t get hurt” instead of “let’s play a lot so we can get some rhythm”

I mean - it goes both ways. The Rams played absolutely nobody in preseason and looked amazing last night



The Rams plugged in a very good QB into a team stacked with decent talent. Stafford was an upgrade over Goff, so that was not unexpected. Add to that they have a creative offensive mind!

They can afford to look at the preseason in such a way when you have a unit like that. For me, I understand the injury risk but for a team like the Giants you cannot look at it like that IMO. I've said a few times, but this team got a little hot last year but needed help to get into the playoffs which they didn't get. To use the first few weeks of the regular season to get right will have them in the same position. And then to see the performance we saw yesterday on opening day in front of the home crowd for the first time in over a year and honoring 9/11....just WOW...extremely disappointing.


McVay has been doing his day 1 and he took over a very bad Rams team with a second year Goff, the preseason doesn't matter.
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