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Tired of conservative gameplans on both sides

nygiants16 : 9/13/2021 9:35 am

Offensively Let Jones air it out he throws a very good deep ball and you have one of the better jump ball, agressive receivers in Golladay..

Every play is just blah, you have a very good rb in space, put him in space, get him one on one with a linebacker...

You have a QB that can run, let him run, open up the middle for the RBs with read options..

You have a slot receiver in Shep who can beat a lot of slot corners, let him work the middle, spread the field..

It just doesnt make sense..

Then on defense you have 2 lock down corners in the man to man, why are you playing soft zones on 3rd down? be agressive, if it fails, it fails but at least you are agressive..

You have 3 safeties that are versatile, use them..

I dont know if the edict from Judge was to be conservative but that is not how you win in this league, be agressive and if you lose fine but at least you are trying to win, this trying to lose is ridiculous

The zone drove me nuts

mattlawson : 9/13/2021 9:42 am : link

But it wasn’t just that, the inability to tackle to stop 3rd and 4th downs by the front 7 was really bad.

Part of it might be the first game and the lack of conditioning to be in true game shape, but some of the things that I saw it was like they were trying to avoid being penalized for putting too big of a hit on the quarterback, then of course we do get called for a hit to the head late in the game when it was basically all the over. And the next play it was.

Not being able to run the ball to take up time of possession on offence and then only relying on fluke plays to be your deep passing office, I agree with you. Shepherd was a great security blanket, but why did it take forever to get Galloway involved?

I agree 100%

ShockNRoll : 9/13/2021 9:49 am : link

Let's see some creativity from this offense. And I don't mean put Toney in for 5 snaps and get him the ball twice, where when he is in the game the defense knows exactly where the ball is going. Yes, let's play the read-option game a little, and let's let Jones sling it downfield. I am sure the gameplan yesterday was not predicated on the downfield attack because of the Denver pass rush, but that is where he is at his best. I also do not understand the defensive scheme yesterday. Maybe they thought Teddy wouldn't be able to beat them, but they should have adjusted once they saw he was hitting every target he was throwing to. I'm just sick of watching this team look lifeless and boring. If that led to wins, great. But it hasn't for years, so let's start pressing the issue a bit.

There is no doubt

Dnew15 : 9/13/2021 10:01 am : link

that the game plan seems to be - shorten the game, keep it close and play conservatively. There's nothing multiple what the game plan has been for the past 2 years.

What the Broncos game planned for was exactly what they got.

The play calling after the fumble

GNewGiants : 9/13/2021 10:03 am : link

was just inexcusable. It was basically, lets not turn it over and punt.

How many yards did we average on first down runs? 1? 1.5? Always in the hole.

RE: The play calling after the fumble

SirLoinOfBeef : 9/13/2021 10:21 am : link

In comment 15364063 GNewGiants said:

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was just inexcusable. It was basically, lets not turn it over and punt.

How many yards did we average on first down runs? 1? 1.5? Always in the hole.

That was the game IMO.

it was the biggest difference yesterday

UConn4523 : 9/13/2021 10:29 am : link

our play calling stunk. Every good play was follows up by garbage. We showed no ability to capitalize on momentum and keep our D off the field.

I really think Garrett thinks of himself

Thunderstruck27 : 9/13/2021 10:39 am : link

As a genius. The plays we ran with Toney looked like something a first year JV coach would draw up. We ran that shit so early in the game that I can't help but think that Garrett thought they were some of the best plays he could think of all off-season. The only people Garrett is confusing is our offense and fans, it sure wasn't the Denver Defense

Something just doesn't look right

mittenedman : 9/13/2021 10:42 am : link

about the way the Giants play offensive football. This goes back to McAdoo taking over for Coughlin. Nothing ever looks good. Even the plays that work.

Look at our running plays. They are so uncoordinated and clumsy looking. People tripping all over eachother, receivers constantly blanketed. Nothing pretty, ever.

You watch other teams effortlessly move the ball, scheme people open etc. This team truly is a pitiful group from the top down.

Jones

Archer : 9/13/2021 10:43 am : link

I am concerned that Garrett's game plan does not take advantage of Jones strength
Jones throws an accurate deep ball and he is mobile

Where were the RPO plays ?
Where were the deep sideline throws, back shoulder throws , crossing patterns, etc.?
If the running game is not working there needs to be alternate means to move the ball

You cannot keep going back to plays that do not work

Let Jones run

Most teams will play to the QBs strength not to a rigid game plan

Could you imagine Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murry in this offense?

I am not saying that Jones is either player what I am saying is that each team developed schemes that played to their respective strengths

Giants play football

JB_in_DC : 9/13/2021 10:46 am : link

like they're sitting back on their heels. When was the last time this team played a game where they seemed like they asserted themselves? Maybe this is a perception problem with me where I expect things to go poorly, but man watching a team that can't get after the passer quickly and can't own the line of scrimmage on offense is tough! I want this team to look like they're running downhill for a change.

Giants are very old school and refuse to change with the times

shadow_spinner0 : 9/13/2021 11:39 am : link

Giants run this team like it’s 1985 and I hate it. It’s 2021, look at other teams with creative open offenses. Yet we are slow and plodding.

You nailed it, we are way too conservative on both sides of the ball

Zeke's Alibi : 9/13/2021 11:54 am : link

Hey Graham, you have a stacked secondary now, how about you start acting like it?

And Garrett? They were hell-bent on establishing the run on certain plays, but they were disguising looks and crashing. How bout some read option. Also, why the fuck aren't we taking shots down the field. We have Slayton and Golladay, use your guys.

Everyone is harping on DJ's fumble because it was a key point in the game, but it's unbelieavable unfair to ask for perfect outings from your QB week in week out to have a functioning offense.

I really wish we had a longer week so these guys had a chance to evaluation their mistakes, but I expect mroe bullshit on Thursday and we are going to watch Heineke dink and dunk his way down the field and we see the same exact offense we trotted out week 1. Just need better execution my ass, you aren't even giving your guys a shot.

RE: The play calling after the fumble

Lines of Scrimmage : 9/13/2021 12:00 pm : link

In comment 15364063 GNewGiants said:

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was just inexcusable. It was basically, lets not turn it over and punt.

How many yards did we average on first down runs? 1? 1.5? Always in the hole.

I consistently make this point. It has been a decade and counting problem. Until the significantly improve first down efficiency the offense and team is going nowhere imv.

I agree with this

PatersonPlank : 9/13/2021 1:33 pm : link

On defense we are in "bend don't break" mode, more afraid of not giving up the big play than actually making a big play. Its all about hoping the offense screws up. I'd rather see us blitz and take chances

On offense its all nickle and dime, vanilla stuff. It seems more geared to not making turnovers and winning the field position battle.

We need to try and win, not try "not to lose".

RE: I agree with this

PatersonPlank : 9/13/2021 1:34 pm : link

In comment 15364639 PatersonPlank said:

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I'm starting to really get down on the coaching staff in summary