This isnt meant to be a shit on Jones thread as I'm not giving up on him until the day we are eliminated from the playoffs. I'm more curious as to people's opinions of the 2022 QB class since there's a fairly decent chance we are looking for a new starting QB this offseason.
There are a lot of names being floated around but no clear leader as of yet. For people who watch more college FB than I, what are your opinions? Being a youtube scout I've been partial to Sam Howell (he has a little Mahommes in him).
Western Kentucky?
Just played at West Point this weekend and threw for over 400 yards for the umpthteen time!
Should we really want them to go all-in on a rookie QB unless those OL pieces are found in free agency?
While I would clearly understand it if there is a QB that makes the grade, and you see a potential franchise guy. But it only adds to the risk that he won't be successful if this line can't ever be stabilized.
If it's a soft year with QBs, add a serviceable free agent QB and then go with OL or impact players with those picks. The roster still needs more.
I agree, WAY too early to close the book on draft-eligible QB's.
How is it an impossible situation for Jones?
Exactly, everyone who says this bullshit each year is exposed as a phony.
I'm looking forward to seeing Strong play. Have to like his size and I read that he moves pretty well. There are people who are very fond of him and think he's the most NFL ready.
Right now, I like Corral and Howell. I did catch Shough with TT (Oregon the prior year) and he's got some skills. Big kid. But he makes some crazy decisions times and may need a lot of work in reading defenses.
I also caught USC v Stanford this weekend. Didn't see the Stanford blowout win coming. They rolled. Klovis looked very poor. He's getting less and less interesting.
Looking forward to seeing Willis play as well.
Sammo, direct path out is for Jones to figure it out and start to raise his and the offense's level of play. Even if it's just 25% and they win 7-8 games while showing improvement. The OL showed some signs yesterday, but need to start faster out of the gate. The whole team is being dictated to on both sides of the ball, which only ensures they lose the LoS battles, etc.
Right now, and it's still early, how kickass would it be to draft a truly elite OL and defender next April?
Ridder- he's another one I like, but a little warry of how his throwing motion will translate in the NFL. It looks a bit long. I just love the way the ball comes out of Howell's hand and he's constantly on his toes and moving around the pocket. Looks a bit like Mayfield (although I would like to think a better version).
There's definitely merit to this. I think we'd all be pretty happy with a guy like Herbert right now.
The OC needs to go, and if the HC doesn’t start getting some wins, he might need to go too. So many issues.
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year you know it alls say this is a weak QB class. I swear the last 5 years same story and each year that is proving wrong. Amazing.
There's definitely merit to this. I think we'd all be pretty happy with a guy like Herbert right now.
Ironically the draft class that was viewed as strong in 08 has mixed results.
He does not have an NFL arm.
Is Jones your son or something?
Western Kentucky Hilltopper.
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Frankly if they lose Thursday night they should be open to trading Jones, Barkley, and anyone else for whatever they can get. Stockpiling draft picks is once again the name of the game.
Frankly if they lose Thursday night they should be open to trading Jones, Barkley, and anyone else for whatever they can get. Stockpiling draft picks is once again the name of the game.
Agreed. But they won’t.
But then I’m not John Mara.
But the most important thing is that the new regime is smart enough to use the assets at hand better than the other guys. There are lots of ways to get a QB.
Frankly if they lose Thursday night they should be open to trading Jones, Barkley, and anyone else for whatever they can get. Stockpiling draft picks is once again the name of the game.
I always disliked his running style even before his injury (it'd be great on a team like the Cowboys with a good line, but was an awful fit for the Giants) -- but at this point, I genuinely wonder if he'll ever have the explosion back.
I was kind of hoping that his injury would make him more of a north-south runner and actually *improve* him as a fit for the RB on this team, but the early returns are not pointing in that direction.
I like Desmond Ridder also but I am not sure if he has a franchise QB upside.
Sammo, direct path out is for Jones to figure it out and start to raise his and the offense's level of play. Even if it's just 25% and they win 7-8 games while showing improvement. The OL showed some signs yesterday, but need to start faster out of the gate. The whole team is being dictated to on both sides of the ball, which only ensures they lose the LoS battles, etc.
Right now, and it's still early, how kickass would it be to draft a truly elite OL and defender next April?
That's what I am hoping. I am praying that Jones takes a big step forward and the Giants draft a stud OL and an edge rusher in round 1 and then a TE in round 2.
Bridgewater (maybe), Fitzpatrick, Brissett, Mariota, Flacco..
If it’s not the year for a top shelf QB in the draft, sign a legitimate back up, and Trubisky Jones if no one is willing to give you a mid round pick for him.
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Joe burrow came out of no where and Zach Wilson was little know at time last year. I think at this point the Giants need to be taking one every draft until they hit.
Exactly, everyone who says this bullshit each year is exposed as a phony.
Actually, many people knew about Zach Wilson, he was far from N unknown. And the rest of the first round QB’s were people being talked about as first rounders early last season.
Focus on fixing the trenches and take a shot on a QB later in the draft of the value is there.
Sammo, direct path out is for Jones to figure it out and start to raise his and the offense's level of play. Even if it's just 25% and they win 7-8 games while showing improvement. The OL showed some signs yesterday, but need to start faster out of the gate. The whole team is being dictated to on both sides of the ball, which only ensures they lose the LoS battles, etc.
Right now, and it's still early, how kickass would it be to draft a truly elite OL and defender next April?
He's short. So is Rattler. Do you see the Giants drafting a 6 foot QB? I don't.
In that scenario won't you be the guy who insults the people who are critical and impatient towards the calm, well-spoken, incompetent QB and the GM who spent a top 10 pick on him?
If you buttress the O-Line, you give Jones and Barkley (your most valuable assets), the best chance to succeed
My understanding is that Gettleman wanted Micah Parsons with the Giants first Rd pick back in April. However, he was overruled by both Mara & Judge! Another Big Giants gaffe!
Totally agree.
The OC needs to go, and if the HC doesn’t start getting some wins, he might need to go too. So many issues.
Jones is nowhere near that level at this point. He is incapable of throwing for 300 yards. He can't even hold Tannehill's jockstrap at this point. To me Jones is the worst starting QB in the NFL besides the trash in Washington and a 400 year old Andy Dalton.
I am convinced that, had he not played for David Cutcliffe, no way he is drafted higher than the third round.
Let the college season play out before we say who is good and who isn’t.
There will be plenty of options to improve at quarterback. We had plenty of options to improve this offseason (draft Fields or Mac Jones, sign Bridgewater, Minshew, Dalton) but didn't because we couldn't interrupt Jones's scholarship.
The mistake in the draft would be to pass on a quarterback that fits what Judge wants to do. If we draft a quarterback in the first round he doesn't have to be the guy for the next ten years. We have to get away from the trap of chasing the franchise quarterback. Draft a guy Judge wants and if he develops into a franchise guy, great. If not move on.
The problem is what we're doing now with Jones - chasing it with a guy who clearly isn't.
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him, I don't see any QB in this draft that looks the part to me. Which is a bummer because if Jones isn't the guy what do you do then? Use the picks on OL etc., and cross your fingers?
There will be plenty of options to improve at quarterback. We had plenty of options to improve this offseason (draft Fields or Mac Jones, sign Bridgewater, Minshew, Dalton) but didn't because we couldn't interrupt Jones's scholarship.
The mistake in the draft would be to pass on a quarterback that fits what Judge wants to do. If we draft a quarterback in the first round he doesn't have to be the guy for the next ten years. We have to get away from the trap of chasing the franchise quarterback. Draft a guy Judge wants and if he develops into a franchise guy, great. If not move on.
The problem is what we're doing now with Jones - chasing it with a guy who clearly isn't.
This. The goal should be to at least get a good QB and put the roster around him. Great QBs are rare.