If you want a summary of Jones's problems in the red zone and his problems in general, look at the throw to Golladay in the end zone. Late, slow, inaccurate in an area where you can't be any of those things.
If you want a summary of Jones's problems in the red zone and his problems in general, look at the throw to Golladay in the end zone. Late, slow, inaccurate in an area where you can't be any of those things.
Thought the throw to Rudolph was worse....he's one on one - isolated - but totally overthrows the big TE.
There wasn't anything there I'm not sure what that dude is talking about. Maaaaybe you can hit the slant, but throwing it directly into double coverage. "Anticipation" there probably results in an int. Sometimes the defense wins. I'm much more concerned that Garrett can't call anything inside the 5 that doesn't result in these extremely difficult plays to make.
There wasn't anything there I'm not sure what that dude is talking about. Maaaaybe you can hit the slant, but throwing it directly into double coverage. "Anticipation" there probably results in an int. Sometimes the defense wins. I'm much more concerned that Garrett can't call anything inside the 5 that doesn't result in these extremely difficult plays to make.
Lol jeeze man. Never a fault in Jones huh. That play only became well defended because he was late. If he throws that as Golladay is coming out of break towards his outside shoulder the corner isn’t making a play on it.
If you want a summary of Jones's problems in the red zone and his problems in general, look at the throw to Golladay in the end zone. Late, slow, inaccurate in an area where you can't be any of those things.
Look at the routes. Everyone breaks on some type of curl or stick route. That means Jones would have to read ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME, make a decision, and then throw. They need more crossing and drag routes.
If you want a summary of Jones's problems in the red zone and his problems in general, look at the throw to Golladay in the end zone. Late, slow, inaccurate in an area where you can't be any of those things.
Look at the routes. Everyone breaks on some type of curl or stick route. That means Jones would have to read ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME, make a decision, and then throw. They need more crossing and drag routes.
1) that’s not how it works
2) he’s a quarterback in the NFL not high school.
The analysis is right on. Did some great stuff and did some bad stuff. I still think we lose if he doesn't fumble. Tough to blame anyone for the Rudolph play considering how little the TE was on the practice field. Throw was late to Golladay...you gotta give him a chance to make a play there.
Down. Find your playmaker and use him whether directly or indirectly. On Golladay's side a defender was waiting on the slant, so have confidence in Golladay and throw with anticipation.
RE: RE: That last play was extremely well defended
There wasn't anything there I'm not sure what that dude is talking about. Maaaaybe you can hit the slant, but throwing it directly into double coverage. "Anticipation" there probably results in an int. Sometimes the defense wins. I'm much more concerned that Garrett can't call anything inside the 5 that doesn't result in these extremely difficult plays to make.
Lol jeeze man. Never a fault in Jones huh. That play only became well defended because he was late. If he throws that as Golladay is coming out of break towards his outside shoulder the corner isn’t making a play on it.
The corner has total outside leverage, there isn't anything there. We need to be more creative in the redzone because Garrett is making it impossible for the QB.
I don't know what to make of the Rudolph play, but I think Jones read that one wrong and Rudolph got it right. Thats what happens when you aren't on the same page. So no it's not never not Jones' fault.
RE: RE: That last play was extremely well defended
There wasn't anything there I'm not sure what that dude is talking about. Maaaaybe you can hit the slant, but throwing it directly into double coverage. "Anticipation" there probably results in an int. Sometimes the defense wins. I'm much more concerned that Garrett can't call anything inside the 5 that doesn't result in these extremely difficult plays to make.
Lol jeeze man. Never a fault in Jones huh. That play only became well defended because he was late. If he throws that as Golladay is coming out of break towards his outside shoulder the corner isn’t making a play on it.
I don't know what to make of the Rudolph play, but I think Jones read that one wrong and Rudolph got it right. Thats what happens when you aren't on the same page. So no it's not never not Jones' fault.
Atta' boy!
RE: RE: RE: That last play was extremely well defended
There wasn't anything there I'm not sure what that dude is talking about. Maaaaybe you can hit the slant, but throwing it directly into double coverage. "Anticipation" there probably results in an int. Sometimes the defense wins. I'm much more concerned that Garrett can't call anything inside the 5 that doesn't result in these extremely difficult plays to make.
Lol jeeze man. Never a fault in Jones huh. That play only became well defended because he was late. If he throws that as Golladay is coming out of break towards his outside shoulder the corner isn’t making a play on it.
The corner has total outside leverage, there isn't anything there. We need to be more creative in the redzone because Garrett is making it impossible for the QB.
I don't know what to make of the Rudolph play, but I think Jones read that one wrong and Rudolph got it right. Thats what happens when you aren't on the same page. So no it's not never not Jones' fault.
That play is designed for the throw to go to Golladay right out of his break. Pause the video at 8:00 exactly. The throw should have went to his outside shoulder right then. You’re completely wrong on this.
Look where the damn corner is sitting on the route
If he throws with "anticipation" there its just as likely its picked to the house than it is a TD. And then youd bitch about how he couldnt see it. It's all so damn predictable at this point. He doesn't have the benefit of hindsight to see the corner get caught flat footed. Instead he waited for him to break to the corner and hopefully get a jump ball situation, but the corner showed great recovery ability.
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
There wasn't anything there I'm not sure what that dude is talking about. Maaaaybe you can hit the slant, but throwing it directly into double coverage. "Anticipation" there probably results in an int. Sometimes the defense wins. I'm much more concerned that Garrett can't call anything inside the 5 that doesn't result in these extremely difficult plays to make.
That's a TD if he throws it on time
RE: Look where the damn corner is sitting on the route
If he throws with "anticipation" there its just as likely its picked to the house than it is a TD. And then youd bitch about how he couldnt see it. It's all so damn predictable at this point. He doesn't have the benefit of hindsight to see the corner get caught flat footed. Instead he waited for him to break to the corner and hopefully get a jump ball situation, but the corner showed great recovery ability.
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
You’re completely wrong. The play is designed for anticipation, that’s the only way the rub works. The corner isn’t making a play if he throws it in the right spot. Instead he throws a shitty jump ball a second late with the defender draped all over Golladay.
The only thing that’s predictable is how wrong you are and how much you’ll lick Jones’ boot.
If he throws with "anticipation" there its just as likely its picked to the house than it is a TD. And then youd bitch about how he couldnt see it. It's all so damn predictable at this point. He doesn't have the benefit of hindsight to see the corner get caught flat footed. Instead he waited for him to break to the corner and hopefully get a jump ball situation, but the corner showed great recovery ability.
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
This is not accurate. Golladay established himself between the corner and Jones. If the ball is on time it is then a matter of what Golladay was signed to do - catch the ball in contested situations. That's a key point here - Golladay isn't a guy that gets separation. He's a guy that catches the ball in traffic.
this offensive scheme is broken and unless there are major changes implemented by Judge the season is going down the tubes. If this offensive scheme remained I feel confident in saying it would serve whichever QB cycles in next poorly too.
Cycling Garrett out for someone else may make things better, like it did in Dallas, so I'd try that first.
btw the 4th and 6 was one of Jason Garrett's signature sticks routes. And not only that he got the play in so late it should have been a delay of game. The Bronco's DBs were literally in shell waiting to break on the ball around the goaline. It's hard to see in the 2nd screenshot because it's low res but the Bronco defenders hardly had to move and there were 2 of them breaking in on each NYG target regardless of where the throw went.
but there was maybe no chance of that 4th down play resulting in a td. Even if he threw it sooner there was zero separation. A mediocre DB is going to break that up
RE: Look where the damn corner is sitting on the route
If he throws with "anticipation" there its just as likely its picked to the house than it is a TD. And then youd bitch about how he couldnt see it. It's all so damn predictable at this point. He doesn't have the benefit of hindsight to see the corner get caught flat footed. Instead he waited for him to break to the corner and hopefully get a jump ball situation, but the corner showed great recovery ability.
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
Amen. That’s a 99 yard pick 6 with an “anticipation” throw. I hate having to defend Jones but we are picking the wrong things the criticize him about. Pocket presence and ball security are 1 and 2
RE: RE: Look where the damn corner is sitting on the route
If he throws with "anticipation" there its just as likely its picked to the house than it is a TD. And then youd bitch about how he couldnt see it. It's all so damn predictable at this point. He doesn't have the benefit of hindsight to see the corner get caught flat footed. Instead he waited for him to break to the corner and hopefully get a jump ball situation, but the corner showed great recovery ability.
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
Amen. That’s a 99 yard pick 6 with an “anticipation” throw. I hate having to defend Jones but we are picking the wrong things the criticize him about. Pocket presence and ball security are 1 and 2
Wrong. Good QBs make that throw.
RE: RE: RE: Look where the damn corner is sitting on the route
If he throws with "anticipation" there its just as likely its picked to the house than it is a TD. And then youd bitch about how he couldnt see it. It's all so damn predictable at this point. He doesn't have the benefit of hindsight to see the corner get caught flat footed. Instead he waited for him to break to the corner and hopefully get a jump ball situation, but the corner showed great recovery ability.
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
Amen. That’s a 99 yard pick 6 with an “anticipation” throw. I hate having to defend Jones but we are picking the wrong things the criticize him about. Pocket presence and ball security are 1 and 2
Wrong. Good QBs make that throw.
Well the guy on YouTube said it so it must be true
Amen. That’s a 99 yard pick 6 with an “anticipation” throw. I hate having to defend Jones but we are picking the wrong things the criticize him about. Pocket presence and ball security are 1 and 2
Wrong. Good QBs make that throw.
I agree. Jones has to give KG a chance to make a play. There is a significant size advantage with KG. Fuller is only 5'10". If the ball is delivered on time and high, I like KG's chances to make a play.
BINGO ... something bad happened to his confidence when Shurmur left and JG came in ... I noticed it in his eyes last year. He just doesn’t look comfortable.
The coaching staff are putting too much trust in this guy. He shouldn't be given the keys to the car if he keeps dropping them.
I am not a fan of Daniel Jones.
Not only did Gettleman screw the pooch when it came to the OL, but Gettleman drafted Jones.
The Giants should still be in the market for a starting QB.
I can see why the Giants believe Jones is the guy.
And why is that?
There are plays where he demonstrates the skills to be special . Some of his throws are as good as it gets. He is a weapon with his legs
His problem continues to be inconsistency. Are we absolutely certain he won’t continue to develop to the point where his outstanding plays become the norm?
He has great potential. Maybe I should have stated, “I see why the Giants are hopeful maybe even optimistic he becomes the guy”
People get annoyed with the Simms comparison, but the same things being said about Jones were being said about Simms at equal pts in their career, that s a fact
I just disagree with those who speak with such certainty that he s not the guy.
I can see why the Giants believe Jones is the guy.
And why is that?
There are plays where he demonstrates the skills to be special . Some of his throws are as good as it gets. He is a weapon with his legs
His problem continues to be inconsistency. Are we absolutely certain he won’t continue to develop to the point where his outstanding plays become the norm?
He has great potential. Maybe I should have stated, “I see why the Giants are hopeful maybe even optimistic he becomes the guy”
People get annoyed with the Simms comparison, but the same things being said about Jones were being said about Simms at equal pts in their career, that s a fact
I just disagree with those who speak with such certainty that he s not the guy.
I don't know if he isn't the guy yet either.
But inconsistency is not his problem in my view. He hasn't shown enough highs yet to go with the fairly consistent lows to be labeled inconsistent. 3 really good games 2 years ago against 3 bad defenses doesn't qualify.
He didn't help his cause yesterday though, and he's got to start doing that...
Correct play on Rudulphs is to waste it and not throw a pick have the next down. Can’t argue that he is being too aggressive and fumbles and then Argue that he has to be more aggressive and try and make a throw that’s not there. KG route is a horrible play design. 5 yards from the sideline and cross the WRs. By the time the underneath CB turns his shoulders there is no room at front pylon. The route needs to be a back corner fade. Really with KG and that close they should have ISO’d him two plays in a row. That’s why you pay him
No one was close to open and the routes all sucked. On the left side one guy went to the corner and the inside receiver did an out route short of the end zone. Not sure what was going on on the right side. Out of five receivers, no one was anywhere near the middle of the end zone. Jones was disappointing, but Garrett needs to help him out with play design and play calls.
RE: That play call on 4th down was destined to fail
No one was close to open and the routes all sucked. On the left side one guy went to the corner and the inside receiver did an out route short of the end zone. Not sure what was going on on the right side. Out of five receivers, no one was anywhere near the middle of the end zone. Jones was disappointing, but Garrett needs to help him out with play design and play calls.
I wonder if the WR next to KG should have had a better rub on the corner...?
Regardless, there was a play to be made if Jones is (1) on time and (2) throws the ball on the high side of KG's catch radius because Fuller is only 5'10".
The pocket was collapsing on the play, btw. So Jones also had to contend with that...
I can see why the Giants believe Jones is the guy.
And why is that?
There are plays where he demonstrates the skills to be special . Some of his throws are as good as it gets. He is a weapon with his legs
His problem continues to be inconsistency. Are we absolutely certain he won’t continue to develop to the point where his outstanding plays become the norm?
He has great potential. Maybe I should have stated, “I see why the Giants are hopeful maybe even optimistic he becomes the guy”
People get annoyed with the Simms comparison, but the same things being said about Jones were being said about Simms at equal pts in their career, that s a fact
I just disagree with those who speak with such certainty that he s not the guy.
I don't know if he isn't the guy yet either.
But inconsistency is not his problem in my view. He hasn't shown enough highs yet to go with the fairly consistent lows to be labeled inconsistent. 3 really good games 2 years ago against 3 bad defenses doesn't qualify.
He didn't help his cause yesterday though, and he's got to start doing that...
I tend to see potential in players and almost always believe the mistakes can be eliminated. Some other fans see performance
You re right about Jones on a per game basis, he s been more consistently mediocre
I see the great “plays” and think he can do that more often
I might be wrong. But, Just not ready to move off his bandwagon.
I can see why the Giants believe Jones is the guy.
And why is that?
There are plays where he demonstrates the skills to be special . Some of his throws are as good as it gets. He is a weapon with his legs
His problem continues to be inconsistency. Are we absolutely certain he won’t continue to develop to the point where his outstanding plays become the norm?
He has great potential. Maybe I should have stated, “I see why the Giants are hopeful maybe even optimistic he becomes the guy”
People get annoyed with the Simms comparison, but the same things being said about Jones were being said about Simms at equal pts in their career, that s a fact
I just disagree with those who speak with such certainty that he s not the guy.
I don't know if he isn't the guy yet either.
But inconsistency is not his problem in my view. He hasn't shown enough highs yet to go with the fairly consistent lows to be labeled inconsistent. 3 really good games 2 years ago against 3 bad defenses doesn't qualify.
He didn't help his cause yesterday though, and he's got to start doing that...
I tend to see potential in players and almost always believe the mistakes can be eliminated. Some other fans see performance
You re right about Jones on a per game basis, he s been more consistently mediocre
I see the great “plays” and think he can do that more often
I might be wrong. But, Just not ready to move off his bandwagon.
Potential is great, but if it doesn't turn into results the player has to go. This is true in all sports
BINGO ... something bad happened to his confidence when Shurmur left and JG came in ... I noticed it in his eyes last year. He just doesn’t look comfortable.
It's quite clear to me the Shurmur/Reid offense is much easier for QBs to play in, or at least certain types of QBs. And Jones played really well in it his first year.
And I've been saying this all the way back in the early 2000's when Reid took over Philly. There's a ton of easy pitch and catch throws.
This offense is going to be the demise of Garrett - and DJ - as far as being Giants IMO.
...This offense is going to be the demise of Garrett - and DJ - as far as being Giants IMO.
Couldn't agree more. The QB looks tentative, uncertain, and not confident, backsliding now one + years out.
There is no rhythm to Garrett's play calling, no taking what the d is giving. It's mechanical, JG's head buried in HIS playbook, WITH NO FEEL FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE GAME. How do you run SB between the tackles six, eight times and not realize you don't have the Cowboys' OL and Ezekiel running behind it? How do you not get SB in space, some play action, man in motion with reverses with your new toys? Mind boggling. Keep the d off balance.
Thought the throw to Rudolph was worse....he's one on one - isolated - but totally overthrows the big TE.
Lol jeeze man. Never a fault in Jones huh. That play only became well defended because he was late. If he throws that as Golladay is coming out of break towards his outside shoulder the corner isn’t making a play on it.
Look at the routes. Everyone breaks on some type of curl or stick route. That means Jones would have to read ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME, make a decision, and then throw. They need more crossing and drag routes.
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If you want a summary of Jones's problems in the red zone and his problems in general, look at the throw to Golladay in the end zone. Late, slow, inaccurate in an area where you can't be any of those things.
Look at the routes. Everyone breaks on some type of curl or stick route. That means Jones would have to read ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME, make a decision, and then throw. They need more crossing and drag routes.
1) that’s not how it works
2) he’s a quarterback in the NFL not high school.
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There wasn't anything there I'm not sure what that dude is talking about. Maaaaybe you can hit the slant, but throwing it directly into double coverage. "Anticipation" there probably results in an int. Sometimes the defense wins. I'm much more concerned that Garrett can't call anything inside the 5 that doesn't result in these extremely difficult plays to make.
Lol jeeze man. Never a fault in Jones huh. That play only became well defended because he was late. If he throws that as Golladay is coming out of break towards his outside shoulder the corner isn’t making a play on it.
The corner has total outside leverage, there isn't anything there. We need to be more creative in the redzone because Garrett is making it impossible for the QB.
I don't know what to make of the Rudolph play, but I think Jones read that one wrong and Rudolph got it right. Thats what happens when you aren't on the same page. So no it's not never not Jones' fault.
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There wasn't anything there I'm not sure what that dude is talking about. Maaaaybe you can hit the slant, but throwing it directly into double coverage. "Anticipation" there probably results in an int. Sometimes the defense wins. I'm much more concerned that Garrett can't call anything inside the 5 that doesn't result in these extremely difficult plays to make.
Lol jeeze man. Never a fault in Jones huh. That play only became well defended because he was late. If he throws that as Golladay is coming out of break towards his outside shoulder the corner isn’t making a play on it.
Yes. The bias continues here..
That wastes valuable time, especially in the redzone where this is less space to get open, and defenders can close quickly.
I don't know what to make of the Rudolph play, but I think Jones read that one wrong and Rudolph got it right. Thats what happens when you aren't on the same page. So no it's not never not Jones' fault.
Atta' boy!
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There wasn't anything there I'm not sure what that dude is talking about. Maaaaybe you can hit the slant, but throwing it directly into double coverage. "Anticipation" there probably results in an int. Sometimes the defense wins. I'm much more concerned that Garrett can't call anything inside the 5 that doesn't result in these extremely difficult plays to make.
Lol jeeze man. Never a fault in Jones huh. That play only became well defended because he was late. If he throws that as Golladay is coming out of break towards his outside shoulder the corner isn’t making a play on it.
The corner has total outside leverage, there isn't anything there. We need to be more creative in the redzone because Garrett is making it impossible for the QB.
I don't know what to make of the Rudolph play, but I think Jones read that one wrong and Rudolph got it right. Thats what happens when you aren't on the same page. So no it's not never not Jones' fault.
That play is designed for the throw to go to Golladay right out of his break. Pause the video at 8:00 exactly. The throw should have went to his outside shoulder right then. You’re completely wrong on this.
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
That's a TD if he throws it on time
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
You’re completely wrong. The play is designed for anticipation, that’s the only way the rub works. The corner isn’t making a play if he throws it in the right spot. Instead he throws a shitty jump ball a second late with the defender draped all over Golladay.
The only thing that’s predictable is how wrong you are and how much you’ll lick Jones’ boot.
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
This is not accurate. Golladay established himself between the corner and Jones. If the ball is on time it is then a matter of what Golladay was signed to do - catch the ball in contested situations. That's a key point here - Golladay isn't a guy that gets separation. He's a guy that catches the ball in traffic.
This is the NFL. That's got to be a touchdown.
Cycling Garrett out for someone else may make things better, like it did in Dallas, so I'd try that first.
btw the 4th and 6 was one of Jason Garrett's signature sticks routes. And not only that he got the play in so late it should have been a delay of game. The Bronco's DBs were literally in shell waiting to break on the ball around the goaline. It's hard to see in the 2nd screenshot because it's low res but the Bronco defenders hardly had to move and there were 2 of them breaking in on each NYG target regardless of where the throw went.
Link to the clip is below too.
https://twitter.com/bobbyskinner_/status/1437450025865449475?s=10 - ( New Window )
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
Amen. That’s a 99 yard pick 6 with an “anticipation” throw. I hate having to defend Jones but we are picking the wrong things the criticize him about. Pocket presence and ball security are 1 and 2
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If he throws with "anticipation" there its just as likely its picked to the house than it is a TD. And then youd bitch about how he couldnt see it. It's all so damn predictable at this point. He doesn't have the benefit of hindsight to see the corner get caught flat footed. Instead he waited for him to break to the corner and hopefully get a jump ball situation, but the corner showed great recovery ability.
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
Amen. That’s a 99 yard pick 6 with an “anticipation” throw. I hate having to defend Jones but we are picking the wrong things the criticize him about. Pocket presence and ball security are 1 and 2
Wrong. Good QBs make that throw.
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If he throws with "anticipation" there its just as likely its picked to the house than it is a TD. And then youd bitch about how he couldnt see it. It's all so damn predictable at this point. He doesn't have the benefit of hindsight to see the corner get caught flat footed. Instead he waited for him to break to the corner and hopefully get a jump ball situation, but the corner showed great recovery ability.
The Rudolph play was almost certainly on Jones, but it's absolute bullshit to point out what develops after the fact when you need to make decisions in real time.
Amen. That’s a 99 yard pick 6 with an “anticipation” throw. I hate having to defend Jones but we are picking the wrong things the criticize him about. Pocket presence and ball security are 1 and 2
Wrong. Good QBs make that throw.
Well the guy on YouTube said it so it must be true
And why is that?
Same.
Amen. That’s a 99 yard pick 6 with an “anticipation” throw. I hate having to defend Jones but we are picking the wrong things the criticize him about. Pocket presence and ball security are 1 and 2
Wrong. Good QBs make that throw.
I agree. Jones has to give KG a chance to make a play. There is a significant size advantage with KG. Fuller is only 5'10". If the ball is delivered on time and high, I like KG's chances to make a play.
BINGO ... something bad happened to his confidence when Shurmur left and JG came in ... I noticed it in his eyes last year. He just doesn’t look comfortable.
I am not a fan of Daniel Jones.
Not only did Gettleman screw the pooch when it came to the OL, but Gettleman drafted Jones.
The Giants should still be in the market for a starting QB.
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I can see why the Giants believe Jones is the guy.
And why is that?
There are plays where he demonstrates the skills to be special . Some of his throws are as good as it gets. He is a weapon with his legs
His problem continues to be inconsistency. Are we absolutely certain he won’t continue to develop to the point where his outstanding plays become the norm?
He has great potential. Maybe I should have stated, “I see why the Giants are hopeful maybe even optimistic he becomes the guy”
People get annoyed with the Simms comparison, but the same things being said about Jones were being said about Simms at equal pts in their career, that s a fact
I just disagree with those who speak with such certainty that he s not the guy.
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I can see why the Giants believe Jones is the guy.
And why is that?
There are plays where he demonstrates the skills to be special . Some of his throws are as good as it gets. He is a weapon with his legs
His problem continues to be inconsistency. Are we absolutely certain he won’t continue to develop to the point where his outstanding plays become the norm?
He has great potential. Maybe I should have stated, “I see why the Giants are hopeful maybe even optimistic he becomes the guy”
People get annoyed with the Simms comparison, but the same things being said about Jones were being said about Simms at equal pts in their career, that s a fact
I just disagree with those who speak with such certainty that he s not the guy.
I don't know if he isn't the guy yet either.
But inconsistency is not his problem in my view. He hasn't shown enough highs yet to go with the fairly consistent lows to be labeled inconsistent. 3 really good games 2 years ago against 3 bad defenses doesn't qualify.
He didn't help his cause yesterday though, and he's got to start doing that...
While he made lots of throws and some razzle dazzle that’s also where it got really crazy with all the turnovers. Shurmur let him play loose.
I've always thought that his motions express nervousness, even when he's actually played well!
I wonder if the WR next to KG should have had a better rub on the corner...?
Regardless, there was a play to be made if Jones is (1) on time and (2) throws the ball on the high side of KG's catch radius because Fuller is only 5'10".
The pocket was collapsing on the play, btw. So Jones also had to contend with that...
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I can see why the Giants believe Jones is the guy.
And why is that?
There are plays where he demonstrates the skills to be special . Some of his throws are as good as it gets. He is a weapon with his legs
His problem continues to be inconsistency. Are we absolutely certain he won’t continue to develop to the point where his outstanding plays become the norm?
He has great potential. Maybe I should have stated, “I see why the Giants are hopeful maybe even optimistic he becomes the guy”
People get annoyed with the Simms comparison, but the same things being said about Jones were being said about Simms at equal pts in their career, that s a fact
I just disagree with those who speak with such certainty that he s not the guy.
I don't know if he isn't the guy yet either.
But inconsistency is not his problem in my view. He hasn't shown enough highs yet to go with the fairly consistent lows to be labeled inconsistent. 3 really good games 2 years ago against 3 bad defenses doesn't qualify.
He didn't help his cause yesterday though, and he's got to start doing that...
I tend to see potential in players and almost always believe the mistakes can be eliminated. Some other fans see performance
You re right about Jones on a per game basis, he s been more consistently mediocre
I see the great “plays” and think he can do that more often
I might be wrong. But, Just not ready to move off his bandwagon.
He was still a turnover machine. A lot of those stats were accumulated in the Tampa, NYJ & WFT games.
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I can see why the Giants believe Jones is the guy.
And why is that?
There are plays where he demonstrates the skills to be special . Some of his throws are as good as it gets. He is a weapon with his legs
His problem continues to be inconsistency. Are we absolutely certain he won’t continue to develop to the point where his outstanding plays become the norm?
He has great potential. Maybe I should have stated, “I see why the Giants are hopeful maybe even optimistic he becomes the guy”
People get annoyed with the Simms comparison, but the same things being said about Jones were being said about Simms at equal pts in their career, that s a fact
I just disagree with those who speak with such certainty that he s not the guy.
I don't know if he isn't the guy yet either.
But inconsistency is not his problem in my view. He hasn't shown enough highs yet to go with the fairly consistent lows to be labeled inconsistent. 3 really good games 2 years ago against 3 bad defenses doesn't qualify.
He didn't help his cause yesterday though, and he's got to start doing that...
I tend to see potential in players and almost always believe the mistakes can be eliminated. Some other fans see performance
You re right about Jones on a per game basis, he s been more consistently mediocre
I see the great “plays” and think he can do that more often
I might be wrong. But, Just not ready to move off his bandwagon.
Potential is great, but if it doesn't turn into results the player has to go. This is true in all sports
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Jones looked like a different QB under Shurmur than he has with Garrett.
He was still a turnover machine. A lot of those stats were accumulated in the Tampa, NYJ & WFT games.
These are excellent points.
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Jones plays nervous.
BINGO ... something bad happened to his confidence when Shurmur left and JG came in ... I noticed it in his eyes last year. He just doesn’t look comfortable.
It's quite clear to me the Shurmur/Reid offense is much easier for QBs to play in, or at least certain types of QBs. And Jones played really well in it his first year.
And I've been saying this all the way back in the early 2000's when Reid took over Philly. There's a ton of easy pitch and catch throws.
This offense is going to be the demise of Garrett - and DJ - as far as being Giants IMO.
There is no rhythm to Garrett's play calling, no taking what the d is giving. It's mechanical, JG's head buried in HIS playbook, WITH NO FEEL FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE GAME. How do you run SB between the tackles six, eight times and not realize you don't have the Cowboys' OL and Ezekiel running behind it? How do you not get SB in space, some play action, man in motion with reverses with your new toys? Mind boggling. Keep the d off balance.