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gidiefor : Mod : 9/13/2021 10:18 pm
I know the first game of the season sucked scissors, but I just don't believe that with all the steady strides this team has shown, that it could flush itself down the tubes as the whole team starts playing together. I believe they are going to get it right and that this year's iteration of the Giants will keep improving.

Go Giants!
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Sucked scissors??  
EricJ : 9/14/2021 6:24 am : link
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Les in TO : 9/14/2021 6:46 am : link
Am not expecting much from this year but if they pleasantly surprise I’ll take it
RE: ...  
joeinpa : 9/14/2021 7:06 am : link
In comment 15365840 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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For the love of God, don't compare the '21 Giants to the '07 Giants. Just don't.


Someone, don’t remember who, posted the same thing to me back in 2011, about the Giants that season.

However, I m not saying you re wrong this time. I will state however, while it s difficult to see past the most recent performance of any team, sometimes that team by the end of the year is so much better than anyone could have imagined.
RE: Steady strides?  
Gman11 : 9/14/2021 7:13 am : link
In comment 15365639 rsjem1979 said:
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When the hell did that take place?


That was my first reaction too. What strides? It was the same old shit just some different players.
Thanks gidie  
exiled : 9/14/2021 7:17 am : link
The Giants fan in me really needed to see this post today.
RE: RE: ...  
rsjem1979 : 9/14/2021 7:29 am : link
In comment 15365849 joeinpa said:
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In comment 15365840 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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For the love of God, don't compare the '21 Giants to the '07 Giants. Just don't.



Someone, don’t remember who, posted the same thing to me back in 2011, about the Giants that season.

However, I m not saying you re wrong this time. I will state however, while it s difficult to see past the most recent performance of any team, sometimes that team by the end of the year is so much better than anyone could have imagined.


And sometimes shit remains shit all season.

If it makes people feel better to "believe" that's fine, but there's nothing wrong with saying I'll believe it when I see it. And we haven't seen it around here for a long time.
This Giant team are clearly a mess at week one  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/14/2021 8:22 am : link
But I fully expect them to win on Thursday. It will confound the hell out of us.
GIDI- the problem is  
Dave on the UWS : 9/14/2021 8:26 am : link
they could be 1-7 by the time they "get it". Not acceptable.
Dave. 1 game at a time  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/14/2021 8:33 am : link
That's all I can process.
I will always believe  
nygiants16 : 9/14/2021 8:34 am : link
id rather believe than be miserable about everything was Sunday fun? of course not but thuraday is a new game and i will go in hyped same as i did week 1..
It's been 1 game at time for the past 10 years  
Jints in Carolina : 9/14/2021 8:35 am : link
I will believe it when they finally show something
I think we need  
Everyone Relax : 9/14/2021 9:05 am : link
to create new sub-thread categories. HOT (hopeless optimist thread) and ETT (eternal pessimist thread). The bickering between the two sides if becoming unbearable. Let them discuss amongst themselves!
RE: I think we need  
Everyone Relax : 9/14/2021 9:06 am : link
In comment 15365950 Everyone Relax said:
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to create new sub-thread categories. HOT (hopeless optimist thread) and ETT (eternal pessimist thread). The bickering between the two sides if becoming unbearable. Let them discuss amongst themselves!

EPT***
Week 1 was miserable, no doubt about it  
bigblue5611 : 9/14/2021 9:09 am : link
That being said, I'm always optimistic going into the next week that they'll make improvements during the week and adjust things. What good is it being a miserable douche and complaining about the state of the team 24/7? Them winning or losing is not going to fundamentally change my life other than giving me some joy and excitement if/when they win. There's more important things in life...

I hope JG can call some more creative plays/routes, however. Would love to have somehow been able to retain Shurmur as the OC when Judge took over...
My faith took a serious hit  
UberAlias : 9/14/2021 9:10 am : link
I doubt they will always be as bad as they were last week, but can I say with a straight face that this team has a chance to win the the division? Injuries aside, I have a hard time envisioning them pulling that off, outside of some unexpected collapse from others. We are a clear 4th in the running, IMO.
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mfsd : 9/14/2021 9:13 am : link
In comment 15365624 Greg from LI said:
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Well done

You're eating maggots Michael, how do they taste?
I agree that you can't definitively judge a team after week 1  
Dr. D : 9/14/2021 9:17 am : link
I'm not expecting SB this year, but it is interesting that we started 0-1 in 3 out of 4 of our SB winning seasons, including some pretty ugly losses.

I'm also not expecting 0-5 (we had a lot of things going against us last yr that aren't this yr), but I believe it's a reason for optimism to remember that after that horrible start last year, we went 6-5 the rest of the year (including a close loss to eventual champs) and 5-3 in the last 8. I believe that shows that Judge and staff didn't lose the team and they continued to improve.

We have more talent and experience than last yr. Hopefully the D plays like we expect and the O doesn't wait until the 2nd half to get Golladay involved and in about 13 days, we'll be 2-1. Then we can put week 1 in the rearview mirror.
RE: My faith took a serious hit  
nygiants16 : 9/14/2021 9:22 am : link
In comment 15365958 UberAlias said:
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I doubt they will always be as bad as they were last week, but can I say with a straight face that this team has a chance to win the the division? Injuries aside, I have a hard time envisioning them pulling that off, outside of some unexpected collapse from others. We are a clear 4th in the running, IMO.


you are basing this off of one game where most of the weapons this was their first game on the field...

RE: I have to think  
Dr. D : 9/14/2021 9:26 am : link
In comment 15365643 santacruzom said:
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That if we don't score more than 10 points while the outcome of the game is still in question next week, Garrett would be fired if it were up to Judge.

I expect more of a Fassel - Sean Payton situation, i.e., Fassel didn't fire Payton.

Garrett is no Columbo and out of respect for him (and Mara), I don't expect Garrett to be fired, but I can see the play calling duties being transferred to Kitchens and Garrett being re-assigned to another position (even if one is made up and then he moves on after the season). This would cause much less drama and hurt feelings.
I want to see the Defense be what we thought it would be  
AnnapolisMike : 9/14/2021 9:28 am : link
The offense was always going to be a work in progress to start the season. To many guys missed too much time for it to suddenly come together. The problem the Giants might have this year is a brutal schedule. Outside of the Bears and Falcons is might be a tough road.
RE: RE: My faith took a serious hit  
UberAlias : 9/14/2021 9:29 am : link
In comment 15365972 nygiants16 said:
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I doubt they will always be as bad as they were last week, but can I say with a straight face that this team has a chance to win the the division? Injuries aside, I have a hard time envisioning them pulling that off, outside of some unexpected collapse from others. We are a clear 4th in the running, IMO.



you are basing this off of one game where most of the weapons this was their first game on the field...
No, I am not. I have plenty of basis to believe they could be bad -I have the entire DG administration to support that belief. What evidence do you have that they will be good?
RE: RE: My faith took a serious hit  
rsjem1979 : 9/14/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15365972 nygiants16 said:
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I doubt they will always be as bad as they were last week, but can I say with a straight face that this team has a chance to win the the division? Injuries aside, I have a hard time envisioning them pulling that off, outside of some unexpected collapse from others. We are a clear 4th in the running, IMO.



you are basing this off of one game where most of the weapons this was their first game on the field...


You people never run out of excuses. Now it's that they didn't have enough time together in the preseason. And in a month when Shepard and/or Golladay miss time with an injury there will be that excuse. Then when they come back there will be rust. Then they'll put it together offensively for 1-2 games late in the season and you'll all say the arrow is pointing up for next year, thus continuing the cycle.
RE: RE: RE: My faith took a serious hit  
bigblue5611 : 9/14/2021 9:45 am : link
In comment 15366001 rsjem1979 said:
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I doubt they will always be as bad as they were last week, but can I say with a straight face that this team has a chance to win the the division? Injuries aside, I have a hard time envisioning them pulling that off, outside of some unexpected collapse from others. We are a clear 4th in the running, IMO.



you are basing this off of one game where most of the weapons this was their first game on the field...




You people never run out of excuses. Now it's that they didn't have enough time together in the preseason. And in a month when Shepard and/or Golladay miss time with an injury there will be that excuse. Then when they come back there will be rust. Then they'll put it together offensively for 1-2 games late in the season and you'll all say the arrow is pointing up for next year, thus continuing the cycle.


I mean, in fairness SB hadn't played a game in 12 months, Golladay missed the last 11 games (?) of last year, Rudolph couldn't do much over the summer due to the surgery, Toney is brand new to the NFL and wasn't able to do much over summer. I do think it's understandable that they'd need a game or 2 to start to come together. Golladay even said as much a week or 2, that the offense may start slowly due to all of the above.
The worse thing  
ajr2456 : 9/14/2021 9:47 am : link
That happened to this fan base and franchise was then beating up on a historically bad division and almost making the playoffs last year. Gave everyone a false sense of progress when in reality they were a bad football team last year and are a bad football team again.
Worst*  
ajr2456 : 9/14/2021 9:47 am : link
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RE: The worse thing  
TyreeHelmet : 9/14/2021 9:56 am : link
In comment 15366014 ajr2456 said:
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That happened to this fan base and franchise was then beating up on a historically bad division and almost making the playoffs last year. Gave everyone a false sense of progress when in reality they were a bad football team last year and are a bad football team again.


Spot on. I saw people on here posting comparing the situation to the Packers week 1 blowout. I'm all for being optimistic but it isn't just "1 week" with this offense. Frankly its been the majority of Jones pro and college career.

I hope I'm wrong but quarterbacks don't traditionally completely turn around the things he is bad at.
RE: The worse thing  
Greg from LI : 9/14/2021 9:58 am : link
In comment 15366014 ajr2456 said:
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That happened to this fan base and franchise was then beating up on a historically bad division and almost making the playoffs last year. Gave everyone a false sense of progress when in reality they were a bad football team last year and are a bad football team again.


I agree. The people that harp on almost making the playoffs and "5-3 to end the season!" were fooling themselves.
some of you crack me up  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/14/2021 10:04 am : link
it's like your breakfast was swiped from you just as you were sitting down to eat it

: )

I had canadian bacon and fresh chevre on a toasted bagel today -- yum
RE: some of you crack me up  
rsjem1979 : 9/14/2021 10:08 am : link
In comment 15366045 gidiefor said:
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it's like your breakfast was swiped from you just as you were sitting down to eat it

: )

I had canadian bacon and fresh chevre on a toasted bagel today -- yum


The Giants keep feeding us shitburgers and some of you insist that it's ribeye.
RE: RE: RE: My faith took a serious hit  
nygiants16 : 9/14/2021 10:10 am : link
In comment 15366001 rsjem1979 said:
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I doubt they will always be as bad as they were last week, but can I say with a straight face that this team has a chance to win the the division? Injuries aside, I have a hard time envisioning them pulling that off, outside of some unexpected collapse from others. We are a clear 4th in the running, IMO.



you are basing this off of one game where most of the weapons this was their first game on the field...




You people never run out of excuses. Now it's that they didn't have enough time together in the preseason. And in a month when Shepard and/or Golladay miss time with an injury there will be that excuse. Then when they come back there will be rust. Then they'll put it together offensively for 1-2 games late in the season and you'll all say the arrow is pointing up for next year, thus continuing the cycle.


It is not an excuse when it is the truth
...the season sucked scissors?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 10:13 am : link
That's alot of alliteration...
RE: RE: some of you crack me up  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/14/2021 10:16 am : link
In comment 15366054 rsjem1979 said:
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it's like your breakfast was swiped from you just as you were sitting down to eat it

: )

I had canadian bacon and fresh chevre on a toasted bagel today -- yum



The Giants keep feeding us shitburgers and some of you insist that it's ribeye.


No one said or implied that at all. That insistence is all in your mind. In fact I have written multiple times that this last game was an abomination. I'm shrugging it off, because I just just don't believe that things are going to be as bleak going forward. There are ample reasons to believe this team is going to improve.
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Go Terps : 9/14/2021 10:40 am : link
Still waiting to hear about the steady strides this team has made...
RE: I still believe too  
Wmpinto98 : 9/14/2021 10:40 am : link
In comment 15365618 Scooter185 said:
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I still believe we'll have a new GM drafting a new QB in 2022


Amen
I came into this season very hopeful  
Walker Gillette : 9/14/2021 11:24 am : link
and I know it's only one game but that performance by the Defense scared the hell out of me. The Dbacks running around looking confused and a step slow was deja vu all over again and not in a happy way. I was hoping that the D would come out of the gates strong and give the O some time to gel, if that doesn't happen and happen ASAP this season is sunk.

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nygiants16 : 9/14/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15365840 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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For the love of God, don't compare the '21 Giants to the '07 Giants. Just don't.


to be fair in 07 and 11 did you think those teams would win the superbowl? hell no, after week 2 im sure you had the same reaction you had after week 1 this year..

hell in 2011 there were posts here saying they hooed the team missed the playoffs because they would just lose round 1...

Do i think this team is going to superbowl? no, do i think they can make the playoffs? yes..

the point of bringing up 07 is simply to say it is week 1
I want to believe. I really do.  
Heisenberg : 9/14/2021 11:35 am : link
It's getting hard. They need to beat WFT.
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ajr2456 : 9/14/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15366232 nygiants16 said:
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For the love of God, don't compare the '21 Giants to the '07 Giants. Just don't.



to be fair in 07 and 11 did you think those teams would win the superbowl? hell no, after week 2 im sure you had the same reaction you had after week 1 this year..

hell in 2011 there were posts here saying they hooed the team missed the playoffs because they would just lose round 1...

Do i think this team is going to superbowl? no, do i think they can make the playoffs? yes..

the point of bringing up 07 is simply to say it is week 1


Those teams could score points.
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nygiants16 : 9/14/2021 11:39 am : link
In comment 15366236 ajr2456 said:
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For the love of God, don't compare the '21 Giants to the '07 Giants. Just don't.



to be fair in 07 and 11 did you think those teams would win the superbowl? hell no, after week 2 im sure you had the same reaction you had after week 1 this year..

hell in 2011 there were posts here saying they hooed the team missed the playoffs because they would just lose round 1...

Do i think this team is going to superbowl? no, do i think they can make the playoffs? yes..

the point of bringing up 07 is simply to say it is week 1



Those teams could score points.


So you knew after week 2 when they got blown out at home that theu were going to make the playoffs? BS

no one said this team is winning the superbowl, simply stating you have no idea what this team is after 1 week
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ajr2456 : 9/14/2021 11:41 am : link
In comment 15366237 nygiants16 said:
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For the love of God, don't compare the '21 Giants to the '07 Giants. Just don't.



to be fair in 07 and 11 did you think those teams would win the superbowl? hell no, after week 2 im sure you had the same reaction you had after week 1 this year..

hell in 2011 there were posts here saying they hooed the team missed the playoffs because they would just lose round 1...

Do i think this team is going to superbowl? no, do i think they can make the playoffs? yes..

the point of bringing up 07 is simply to say it is week 1



Those teams could score points.



So you knew after week 2 when they got blown out at home that theu were going to make the playoffs? BS

no one said this team is winning the superbowl, simply stating you have no idea what this team is after 1 week


The 2007 team scored 35 points on the toted week 1.

We know what this team is because Sunday was the same exact performance we’ve seen for 4 years.
RE: In 2007, we were demolished at home 41-17  
Debaser : 9/14/2021 11:54 am : link
In comment 15365655 BigBlueNH said:
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by the Vikings, dropping us to 7-4. (The Vikings entered that game 4-6.) I'm sure no one on BBI after that game was talking about us as a Super Bowl contender. I'll wait for more games before throwing in the towel on this season.


2007 Giants were a good football team with a decent coach. They were very inconsistent. THey had there lags and droughts and go on losing streaks. They were injured. They also had big time come from behind wins against good teams in tough hard fought games. That is not the same as this team at all. They were NOT ready to play Sunday. This team has been a bad football team for years now. And have not improved at all really. The defense looked JV. Daniel Jones is still bird dogging receivers and fumbling. barkley shown to be all hype. You would think one thing would bail them out.
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Route 9 : 9/14/2021 11:57 am : link
If you asked me in 2007 and 2011 if the Giants could win the Super Bowl after losing the first game, I would've told you: Yep. Now? I'd tell you to lay off the meth.

Those teams had talent and great coaching back then. Eli threw a touchdown on his first pass of the year in 2007. Maybe second or third throw. I cannot remember.

I knew the defense would get itself together. No way they would play that bad. Dallas and Green Bay we're good. Getting spanked by Denver makes absolutely no sense.

Same thing with 2011. Hakeem Nicks was such an outstanding player. I miss having a player like him on the roster.

One egg is way bigger than the other here. Whatever the hell that means, I don't know. You figure it out. Jones is not Eli Manning and never will be.
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cjac : 9/14/2021 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15366278 Route 9 said:
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Jones is not Eli Manning and never will be.


What we have to hope and pray, is that they know that, and bail on him earlier rather than later. We stuck with Eli about 2 years too long.

They have to get another QB on the roster next year whether it’s a draft pick or a free agent.
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Debaser : 9/14/2021 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15366299 cjac said:
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Jones is not Eli Manning and never will be.



What we have to hope and pray, is that they know that, and bail on him earlier rather than later. We stuck with Eli about 2 years too long.

They have to get another QB on the roster next year whether it’s a draft pick or a free agent.


What the heck would the giants done if they did bail on him on 2 years earlier? Bring in a journeyman to groom Darnold?
RE: 2007 was a very different situation  
djm : 9/14/2021 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15365644 Greg from LI said:
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They weren't coming off of many years of futility then.


More importantly they were 19-13 prior to that 07 season, under Coughlin.
RE: RE: I believe…  
Brown_Hornet : 9/14/2021 1:38 pm : link
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…the alternatives are picking a new team or be miserable.

Id rather believe in the team and enjoy the games as they come.




You enjoyed yesterday?
I did!
RE: RE: some of you crack me up  
Brown_Hornet : 9/14/2021 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15366054 rsjem1979 said:
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it's like your breakfast was swiped from you just as you were sitting down to eat it

: )

I had canadian bacon and fresh chevre on a toasted bagel today -- yum



The Giants keep feeding us shitburgers and some of you insist that it's ribeye.
Feed yourself.
Problem solved.

Sounds like gidie had a nice sandwich…
…sounds like you ate shit.

Pro tip, don’t do that.
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Dave in Hoboken : 9/14/2021 1:45 pm : link
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…the alternatives are picking a new team or be miserable.

Id rather believe in the team and enjoy the games as they come.




You enjoyed yesterday?

I did!


You enjoyed that the team lost?
Hell no…  
Brown_Hornet : 9/14/2021 1:55 pm : link
…that sucked!

But, I got to head to a nice sportsbar with my wife and have a few pops.

A few of my players showed up as well…which was cool.

I wasn’t asked specifically about the game. That was a shit show.
RE: RE: ......  
Route 9 : 9/14/2021 2:28 pm : link
In comment 15366299 cjac said:
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What we have to hope and pray, is that they know that, and bail on him earlier rather than later. We stuck with Eli about 2 years too long.

They have to get another QB on the roster next year whether it’s a draft pick or a free agent.


Jones will never and should never reach that point here. Actually, he's been here 2 years too long, already.

He seems like a decent "kid", athlete, and I wanted him to thrive here. He just stinks.

Same thing with Engram. Where is the written law that says we should stick with these players for so long? We just have to watch the Giants keep losing with the same players for such a long time? It's not working. I'm very confident in the fact that Jones will run off somewhere and be Tom Brady. Or well even, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers. etc. I do not watch many non-Giant games anymore but when I turn on those games there is light years difference between Jones and those guys listed above.

Jones is 8-19 or something awful as a starter with half of those wins comprised of wins against one team, lol.
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