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We need this game on Thursday in a very bad way

UberAlias : 9/14/2021 9:25 am
Things are going to turn ugly, fans, media, etc if we have a repeat of Sunday. The idea of an 0-2 start five years in a row is a scary thought. There has been a lot of optimism with JJ thus far, but with all the $$ they spent in FA, if the product continues to look exactly the same... well, results speak, and we have no equity here.

I realize many were heavily invested in the playoff race last year, and I do get it, but I was not one of them as there was little substance behind it, in my eyes. But this game this on Thursday --there's an awful lot at stake here, it seems for a week 2 contest. We're sitting here, it's only Tuesday, and I'm already feeling the nerves. I want this one... Bad.
Agreed  
Pork Chop : 9/14/2021 9:30 am : link
they better pull a rabbit out of a hat to slow down the WFT D line. The game and the season will get ugly fast if Young and Sweat are camping out in the Giants backfield.

Usually I'm not one to overreact, and I get that it's a long season, but 0-2 in this division with everything else uncertain on the team will be no bueno.
Even if they win 13-6 its gonna be bad  
cjac : 9/14/2021 9:30 am : link
they have to get the ball in the endzone.

you added all these weapons, they have to score
It's a very winnable game  
AnnapolisMike : 9/14/2021 9:32 am : link
We will need that Falcons game as well. The schedule might start looking nasty after that. You have to win games against backup QB's. Sadly, the Giants have a way of playing down.
Time for Andrew Thomas to show why he was drafted  
JonC : 9/14/2021 9:34 am : link
and be a catalyst for the offense as well as the OL. Jones and the offense must start quicker, their margin for error is too slim for zombie starts.

On defense, well there's no excuse, they're playing a backup QB.
Its an important one thats for sure  
Giants86 : 9/14/2021 9:35 am : link
The fact that we spent all that money in FA,
have had a fair amount of high draft choices,
makes it even more important for this franchise to start winning.
Its getting absurd now....
RE: Even if they win 13-6 its gonna be bad  
crick n NC : 9/14/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15365986 cjac said:
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they have to get the ball in the endzone.

you added all these weapons, they have to score


I agree with this. A win would be nice, but if they win a game showing the same issues; how much is it worth? The season is obviously very early and this team could hit its stride at 4 games or so, but there just is not much to look back at to support the notion that the team will turn it around.
RE: Time for Andrew Thomas to show why he was drafted  
jvm52106 : 9/14/2021 9:39 am : link
In comment 15365991 JonC said:
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and be a catalyst for the offense as well as the OL. Jones and the offense must start quicker, their margin for error is too slim for zombie starts.

On defense, well there's no excuse, they're playing a backup QB.


Jon, I agree but, they had a nice start on that long pass to Slayton. Garrett's fucked up idea of running KT out there and then giving him the ball like was an absolute killer. The players have to play but the coaches have to get their heaeds out of their asses and see how plays and style builds on each other. They literally started putting a Jenga stack together and immediately tried to pull the first one out of the stack from the bottom. It killed the drive, the momentum and to me laid the ground work for later calls and plays..
eh, it was just more of the same from 2020  
JonC : 9/14/2021 9:41 am : link
Garrett's part of the problem for sure, but there's also still a talent problem for NYG.
Giants win this game  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/14/2021 9:44 am : link
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Agreed, I don't think we can expect 7-8 wins  
Section331 : 9/14/2021 9:47 am : link
to win the division this year. Philly and Dallas both look significantly better than last year. A win Thursday, I don't care how ugly, will go a long way to calming down the noise.
Did it ever occur to anyone on this thread  
M.S. : 9/14/2021 9:48 am : link

That Washington may feel exactly the same way as us?
RE: Time for Andrew Thomas to show why he was drafted  
Dnew15 : 9/14/2021 9:48 am : link
In comment 15365991 JonC said:
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and be a catalyst for the offense as well as the OL. Jones and the offense must start quicker, their margin for error is too slim for zombie starts.

On defense, well there's no excuse, they're playing a backup QB.

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No one expects their LT to be the guy to lead an offense.

It has to be Daniel Jones.

The Giants need to win a game bc of DJ, not in spite of him.

Don't worry...this game is usually just what the doctor  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 9:49 am : link
ordered...a Washington team that usually isn't much better or worse than the Giants and them playing a backup QB yet again against us.

The Giants will make some good plays and some bad ones and probably win a very close game in unconvincing fashion.

And then a lot of people on BBI will think everything is fine...
RE: eh, it was just more of the same from 2020  
Section331 : 9/14/2021 9:49 am : link
In comment 15366006 JonC said:
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Garrett's part of the problem for sure, but there's also still a talent problem for NYG.


100%. Garrett's scheme worked in Dallas because he had a good OL with some good offensive weapons. He doesn't have that here, and he's not a good enough play caller to rise above that. That doesn't absolve offensive players for poor performances.
reality is its 2021 and its groundhogs day....  
Dinger : 9/14/2021 9:54 am : link
We're playing on a short week against a DIVISIONAL opponent in THEIR building with a strong defense (again) and a mediocre offense(again). I see more of the same. It may be a closer loss. Our offense is predictable; from everytime BArkley steps on the field, to the curl routes to the NEW Kadarius Toney 'gadget' plays. Unless Kitchens takes over play calls its more of the same. Defense needs to step up, but even if they hold the WFT to 14 it may not be enough.
RE: RE: Time for Andrew Thomas to show why he was drafted  
JonC : 9/14/2021 10:00 am : link
In comment 15366019 Dnew15 said:
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and be a catalyst for the offense as well as the OL. Jones and the offense must start quicker, their margin for error is too slim for zombie starts.

On defense, well there's no excuse, they're playing a backup QB.


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No one expects their LT to be the guy to lead an offense.

It has to be Daniel Jones.

The Giants need to win a game bc of DJ, not in spite of him.


The OL is a big problem until it isn't, same for Jones. They all need to get out of their own way, pronto.
They Better Not Sleep on Heinicke  
LTIsTheGreatest : 9/14/2021 10:04 am : link
He played pretty well in that playoff game last year against a very good TB defense.
RE: RE: RE: Time for Andrew Thomas to show why he was drafted  
Straw Hat : 9/14/2021 10:19 am : link
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and be a catalyst for the offense as well as the OL. Jones and the offense must start quicker, their margin for error is too slim for zombie starts.

On defense, well there's no excuse, they're playing a backup QB.


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No one expects their LT to be the guy to lead an offense.

It has to be Daniel Jones.

The Giants need to win a game bc of DJ, not in spite of him.




The OL is a big problem until it isn't, same for Jones. They all need to get out of their own way, pronto.


Andrew Thomas was one of the few guys who played well week 1. He also played well against Washington in both games last year. Not sure why you are singling him out. He’s the least of this teams worries.
RE: Did it ever occur to anyone on this thread  
regulator : 9/14/2021 10:20 am : link
In comment 15366018 M.S. said:
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That Washington may feel exactly the same way as us?


I for one would feel a little better about the future around here if we had Washington's pass rush, coming off a division title (plus home playoff game). It's becoming clear that neither team has its the quarterback of the future on the roster...
the offense has had trouble scoring since 2016  
japanhead : 9/14/2021 10:20 am : link
and the problem has only gotten worse as the team moved from shurmur/shula to judge/garrett. with all the expensive FAs and high draft picks used on offense, it's incredibly concerning that this team looks so inept on the offensive side.
Playing Washington  
AdamBrag : 9/14/2021 10:52 am : link
against their back up QB is our specialty.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Time for Andrew Thomas to show why he was drafted  
JonC : 9/14/2021 10:53 am : link
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and be a catalyst for the offense as well as the OL. Jones and the offense must start quicker, their margin for error is too slim for zombie starts.

On defense, well there's no excuse, they're playing a backup QB.


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No one expects their LT to be the guy to lead an offense.

It has to be Daniel Jones.

The Giants need to win a game bc of DJ, not in spite of him.




The OL is a big problem until it isn't, same for Jones. They all need to get out of their own way, pronto.



Andrew Thomas was one of the few guys who played well week 1. He also played well against Washington in both games last year. Not sure why you are singling him out. He’s the least of this teams worries.


Because high draft picks need to be difference makers, and the Giants still can't run the football. Pretty simple, he's still on the "needs to do much more" list.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Time for Andrew Thomas to show why he was drafted  
WillVAB : 9/14/2021 11:14 am : link
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and be a catalyst for the offense as well as the OL. Jones and the offense must start quicker, their margin for error is too slim for zombie starts.

On defense, well there's no excuse, they're playing a backup QB.


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No one expects their LT to be the guy to lead an offense.

It has to be Daniel Jones.

The Giants need to win a game bc of DJ, not in spite of him.




The OL is a big problem until it isn't, same for Jones. They all need to get out of their own way, pronto.



Andrew Thomas was one of the few guys who played well week 1. He also played well against Washington in both games last year. Not sure why you are singling him out. He’s the least of this teams worries.



Because high draft picks need to be difference makers, and the Giants still can't run the football. Pretty simple, he's still on the "needs to do much more" list.


Exactly. Being passable against a backup edge shouldn’t be the bar for a top 4 pick.
Thomas  
ryanmkeane : 9/14/2021 11:23 am : link
looked very good Sunday. I’m not too concerned with him and have never been. It’s everyone else besides him and Gates that need to start playing like NFL players
RE: They Better Not Sleep on Heinicke  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 9/14/2021 11:26 am : link
In comment 15366046 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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He played pretty well in that playoff game last year against a very good TB defense.


Yes, and he played better than Fitzpatrick this past Sunday.
Then they should run the football behind Thomas  
JonC : 9/14/2021 11:27 am : link
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RE: Thomas  
Victor in CT : 9/14/2021 11:28 am : link
In comment 15366219 ryanmkeane said:
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looked very good Sunday. I’m not too concerned with him and have never been. It’s everyone else besides him and Gates that need to start playing like NFL players


agreed. And I also agree they need to win. can't go 0-2 again.
RE: Then they should run the football behind Thomas  
Victor in CT : 9/14/2021 11:32 am : link
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definitely. Put the pass rushers on their heels a little bit, make them work.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Time for Andrew Thomas to show why he was drafted  
UberAlias : 9/14/2021 11:41 am : link
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and be a catalyst for the offense as well as the OL. Jones and the offense must start quicker, their margin for error is too slim for zombie starts.

On defense, well there's no excuse, they're playing a backup QB.


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No one expects their LT to be the guy to lead an offense.

It has to be Daniel Jones.

The Giants need to win a game bc of DJ, not in spite of him.




The OL is a big problem until it isn't, same for Jones. They all need to get out of their own way, pronto.



Andrew Thomas was one of the few guys who played well week 1. He also played well against Washington in both games last year. Not sure why you are singling him out. He’s the least of this teams worries.



Because high draft picks need to be difference makers, and the Giants still can't run the football. Pretty simple, he's still on the "needs to do much more" list.
I agree with this. In the passing game, the Oline is only as good as the weakest link because the defense gets to select the matchups, not the offense. To be a difference maker, Oline need to also be a force in the run game. Tomas held up well in pass pro on Sunday, but the Oline did not get push up front in run game. Our "generational talent" RB could not get going. I didn't key in on Thomas specifically, but the run game was highly lacking in general last week.
This game is super important they can't start 0-2 again  
Walker Gillette : 9/14/2021 11:49 am : link
This needs to be a good win against a team playing a backup QB. The D needs to shutdown the Washington Offense, no parade of 3rd down conversions and long drives. On Offense they need to put the ball in the end zone. Washington has a good D so I'm not expecting miracles but a 21-10 win would go a long way to making people feel better.
They also need to win this game to ease the narrative around the team.  
Walker Gillette : 9/14/2021 11:56 am : link
A loss or a squeaker where all of last weeks (4 years) problems rear there ugly head will lead to an ugly 10 days where the media and the fanbase will be out of control and it will seep into the team. Some positive feeling around the team during the mini bye will be good.
This is an enormous game  
Sean : 9/14/2021 12:17 pm : link
The Giants would be staring at a 1-5 start assuming they can beat the Falcons at home. 0-2 with a ten day break would be a disaster for everyone, the calls for firing Garrett would be very loud. Judge will then be on the hot seat as well. DG as good as gone.

A win here allows the noise to stop even if it’s brief.
RE: This is an enormous game  
Scooter185 : 9/14/2021 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15366300 Sean said:
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The Giants would be staring at a 1-5 start assuming they can beat the Falcons at home. 0-2 with a ten day break would be a disaster for everyone, the calls for firing Garrett would be very loud. Judge will then be on the hot seat as well. DG as good as gone.

A win here allows the noise to stop even if it’s brief.


An 0-2 start and the weight of media and fan scrutiny certainly would come crashing down on the team
The media is going to love turning on Joe Judge  
Dave in PA : 9/14/2021 12:38 pm : link
They live nothing more than building a guy up then tearing him down. Judge has been steadily on the way up and has a certain attitude and character that the media is going to love “putting in its place”.
RE: The media is going to love turning on Joe Judge  
Sean : 9/14/2021 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15366314 Dave in PA said:
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They live nothing more than building a guy up then tearing him down. Judge has been steadily on the way up and has a certain attitude and character that the media is going to love “putting in its place”.

I doubt that. Judge is much more respectful to the media than McAdoo & Shurmur were. They may turn on him, but it won’t be due to attitude.
When you start the season  
Gman11 : 9/14/2021 12:43 pm : link
playing 4 out of the first 5 games against teams that had a losing record last year, you'd better come away with some wins.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Time for Andrew Thomas to show why he was drafted  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15366078 Straw Hat said:
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Andrew Thomas was one of the few guys who played well week 1. He also played well against Washington in both games last year. Not sure why you are singling him out. He’s the least of this teams worries.


Examining who's fault it is, and having that be a different set of players each week is pointless.

They need to all play better as individuals for the team to be consistently better. It's not okay that Thomas just wasn't an issue on Sunday...he should be a major asset that we use and take advantage of moreso in terms of play calls then.

Our best players need to play like the best players in the league, and the good players need to play like other teams' good players.

Otherwise we don't really have any best or good players...
WFT needs this game in a bad way too  
SomeFan : 9/14/2021 1:58 pm : link
This is a toss-up (and I don't mean to rule out a blow-out - just don't know who would be doing the blow out). A very hard game to predict.
The thing is  
UberAlias : 9/14/2021 2:16 pm : link
Sunday wasn’t just a loss. Anyone with half a brain knows it was one we could lose. But we weren’t very competitive and looked like a step back. Fir a team with a recent history of losing, that ain’t a good sign.
RE: Time for Andrew Thomas to show why he was drafted  
compton : 9/14/2021 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15365991 JonC said:
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and be a catalyst for the offense as well as the OL. Jones and the offense must start quicker, their margin for error is too slim for zombie starts.

On defense, well there's no excuse, they're playing a backup QB.


If Andrew Thomas and not Daniel Jones has to be the catalyst for this offence then expect the Giants to win a grand total of 6 games again. It will be Deja vu all over again and not in a good way.
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