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Todays Judge press conference

NewBlue : 9/14/2021 11:38 am
I am certain Eric will have it up shortly, Dan Duggan of The Athletic posted that the biggest takeaway from today's session is...Don't expect the Giants to open up the offense this week as the redskins don't allow big plays.


Yes because Judge is going to tell the media  
nygiants16 : 9/14/2021 11:40 am : link
the gameplan
If the offense isn't inspiring confidence in practice  
JonC : 9/14/2021 11:41 am : link
let alone in Week 1, the coaches probably will reign it until it demonstrates otherwise.
Ahh - the dreaded 2 deep soft zone  
stoneman : 9/14/2021 11:42 am : link
we all know how that is working out.
the issue with the offense isn't entirely conservatism  
Eric on Li : 9/14/2021 11:45 am : link
it's that their route combinations and philosophies seem nothing like other teams. they continue to run these all curls routs in key situations and it's just mind boggling. they use motion and make it hard on defenders. our offense makes it easy on defenders.
Well if they won’t  
MTN-G-man : 9/14/2021 11:46 am : link
Allow it.Then neither will we. There! Defense fixed!
its not about "opening" up the offense.  
Dave on the UWS : 9/14/2021 11:48 am : link
I don't expect a lot of deep shots against an umbrella defense. I DO expect aggresive slants, crossing routes, things that can result in YAC. the button hook with the receiver standing still at the top of the route, is a staple of Garrett's pass offense. Unacceptable, and if Judge is OK with it, he's just as culpable.
RE: Yes because Judge is going to tell the media  
Jints in Carolina : 9/14/2021 11:49 am : link
In comment 15366239 nygiants16 said:
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the gameplan


at this point, everyone and their mom knows the game plan.
They got to get Barkley involved  
UberAlias : 9/14/2021 11:51 am : link
Watched the Carolina game, they make a point of getting McCaffrey involved, in many ways. If they can't get push up front in the run game, still many ways to get SB involved. If we fail on that end, then shame on us.
RE: its not about  
Eric on Li : 9/14/2021 11:52 am : link
In comment 15366253 Dave on the UWS said:
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I don't expect a lot of deep shots against an umbrella defense. I DO expect aggresive slants, crossing routes, things that can result in YAC. the button hook with the receiver standing still at the top of the route, is a staple of Garrett's pass offense. Unacceptable, and if Judge is OK with it, he's just as culpable.


agreed 100%.
Frankly, this coaching staff, like previous ones  
Dave on the UWS : 9/14/2021 11:57 am : link
doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Prove me wrong. If we, as arm chair whatever's, can plainly see some of the serious issues, its a BIG problem.
I'm sick of hearing HCs repeatedly say they "need to put players in position to succeed and make plays", and then they don't come close to doing so. Its one regime after the other.
If Garrett's offense sucks, Judge should recognize it real damn fast and fix the situation, before another season goes in the toilet. I'm still roaring mad and fed up with the crap coming out of coaches mouths. fix the issues, get the players to improve and perform, win some games. If they can't, they can get out.
RE: They got to get Barkley involved  
averagejoe : 9/14/2021 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15366261 UberAlias said:
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Watched the Carolina game, they make a point of getting McCaffrey involved, in many ways. If they can't get push up front in the run game, still many ways to get SB involved. If we fail on that end, then shame on us.


McCaffrey is a much better player that gets positive yardage with every touch. Barkley dropped one pass, fell down on another, and was ineffective between tackles. He was involved. He was just not good.
Have to get Barkley involved  
Giants73 : 9/14/2021 12:07 pm : link
On what planet can you compare McCaffery and Barkley. Maybe McCaffery /Cook, and Barkley/David Johnson
the OC seems to be out of phase with the HC  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/14/2021 12:26 pm : link
in that he is not designing a game plan to take advantage of the skills of his athletes. Seems more like he runs the offense he is comfortable with.
Jints need to throw it to Barkley  
ChicagoMarty : 9/14/2021 12:31 pm : link
Jones needs to maximize his mobility by rolling out, zone reads, RPOs etc.

The O is just stagnant and lacks motion, movement and energy

The only thing worse than losing is being boring.

If we are going to lose let's do it with some pizazz!
RE: Have to get Barkley involved  
mfsd : 9/14/2021 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15366287 Giants73 said:
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On what planet can you compare McCaffery and Barkley. Maybe McCaffery /Cook, and Barkley/David Johnson


Forget the comparison between players for a second, and compare how the Panthers use McCaffrey in the passing game. I absolutely hate how they have Barkley loop around to the middle hook zone, turn around and just stop to wait for a pass.

Seems whenever I see McCaffery getting a ball thrown his way, he’s on the move. Requires a QB hitting the RB in stride, not always Jones’s strength with short passes, but that’s how you give Barkley the chance to turn a 5 yard pass into a 15-25 yard gain

I know the concept is when they’re playing zone, you look to sit in a hole in the zone, but there has to be a way to get him moving through those holes
RE: Frankly, this coaching staff, like previous ones  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15366279 Dave on the UWS said:
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doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Prove me wrong. If we, as arm chair whatever's, can plainly see some of the serious issues, its a BIG problem.
I'm sick of hearing HCs repeatedly say they "need to put players in position to succeed and make plays", and then they don't come close to doing so. Its one regime after the other.
If Garrett's offense sucks, Judge should recognize it real damn fast and fix the situation, before another season goes in the toilet. I'm still roaring mad and fed up with the crap coming out of coaches mouths. fix the issues, get the players to improve and perform, win some games. If they can't, they can get out.


Wow, good post...
RE: its not about  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15366253 Dave on the UWS said:
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I don't expect a lot of deep shots against an umbrella defense. I DO expect aggresive slants, crossing routes, things that can result in YAC. the button hook with the receiver standing still at the top of the route, is a staple of Garrett's pass offense. Unacceptable, and if Judge is OK with it, he's just as culpable.


You're all over it...
They're going to see a lot of shell looks and disguising  
JonC : 9/14/2021 12:40 pm : link
until they can run a defense out of shells. Put some pressure on their edges with SB out of the backfield, get some passing concepts to stress those zone/shell looks, loosen it up and give SB some room underneath. If any player has a cool hand, get him outta there and try someone else.
Judge hiring Garrett may not been on him, but him not firing Garrett  
BestFeature : 9/14/2021 12:50 pm : link
after last year is inexcusable.
I doubt it would have been his call to make.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/14/2021 12:52 pm : link
Mara respects Garrett. He likes Judge, but Judge hadn't done anything to be able to swing his stick around and fire a guy he probably didn't even pick to be on his staff.
Defense is a pretty simple concept  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/14/2021 1:20 pm : link
Take away what you think their strengths are force them to beat you with what they struggle at. Been this way for a VERY long time.

They will load up to stop the run and the Giants have to find a counter. More then anything Garrett needs to find plays where Jones and the O gets some confidence early.

Until they start winning first downs consistently the problems will continue. When this happens the playbook will open up.

RE: Defense is a pretty simple concept  
mfsd : 9/14/2021 1:28 pm : link
In comment 15366375 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Take away what you think their strengths are force them to beat you with what they struggle at. Been this way for a VERY long time.

They will load up to stop the run and the Giants have to find a counter. More then anything Garrett needs to find plays where Jones and the O gets some confidence early.

Until they start winning first downs consistently the problems will continue. When this happens the playbook will open up.


True, conceptually, but i didn't see the Broncos load up to stop the run, and we still couldn't get anything going.
RE: RE: Defense is a pretty simple concept  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/14/2021 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15366390 mfsd said:
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Take away what you think their strengths are force them to beat you with what they struggle at. Been this way for a VERY long time.

They will load up to stop the run and the Giants have to find a counter. More then anything Garrett needs to find plays where Jones and the O gets some confidence early.

Until they start winning first downs consistently the problems will continue. When this happens the playbook will open up.




True, conceptually, but i didn't see the Broncos load up to stop the run, and we still couldn't get anything going.



I thought they did a few times. I would like to see the Giants average down and distance on second and third down. Compare that to the better offenses in the league. Then you have to figure out the why and coach accordingly to overcome it.
We dont need for them to "open up" the offense...  
EricJ : 9/14/2021 1:44 pm : link
we just need Garrett to call the right plays at the right time.
I hope  
Dukie Dimes : 9/14/2021 2:05 pm : link
This isn’t true. If they are looking to win 13-10, they don’t understand today’s NFL.
Good- Jon and I  
Dave on the UWS : 9/14/2021 4:10 pm : link
are taking no prisoners. Fans pay for the product. So we have a right to be pissed. We depend on the professionals to construct a good product and put it on the field. We don’t want excuses or “ coach speak” we want results. You would think John Mara would have learned something from his father’s 64-81 shot show. Well, apparently not. I’ve tried to give the organization the benefit of the doubt about a lot of things, for years now. After Sunday’s disgraceful performance, no longer.
RE: RE: RE: Defense is a pretty simple concept  
mfsd : 9/14/2021 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15366415 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Take away what you think their strengths are force them to beat you with what they struggle at. Been this way for a VERY long time.

They will load up to stop the run and the Giants have to find a counter. More then anything Garrett needs to find plays where Jones and the O gets some confidence early.

Until they start winning first downs consistently the problems will continue. When this happens the playbook will open up.




True, conceptually, but i didn't see the Broncos load up to stop the run, and we still couldn't get anything going.




I thought they did a few times. I would like to see the Giants average down and distance on second and third down. Compare that to the better offenses in the league. Then you have to figure out the why and coach accordingly to overcome it.


Full disclosure, I was about an hour behind on DVR, fast-forwarded in some spots, ended up signing off early Q4 in frustration, so I didn't see every play

It just seemed to be there were several plays where Denver was playing coverage with only 6 in the box, on 1st or 2nd down, and I recall thinking this is where we need to be able to gouge them with Saquon. But when we did run, very little success
If Judge  
Ike#88 : 9/14/2021 9:40 pm : link
can not get rid of Garrett due to front office interference he should walk out at the end of the season. He would be doomed anyway.
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