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BigBlueJ : 9/14/2021 1:27 pm
What the hell are we going to do here? Both Peart and Solder look like a complete disaster. How can we conceivable expect to be competitive? There is not a team in this league expected to win much less get to the playoffs with this atrocious of a dilemma as we have on the right side. How do we solve this in season, how?
Coach 'em up  
JonC : 9/14/2021 1:29 pm : link
they just have to improve, there's no alternative beyond who is in the locker room.
BigBlueJ  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/14/2021 1:29 pm : link
Are we still saying Peart was a "disaster" on Sunday because he stayed in his stance when Nick Gates snapped the ball too early?

Gates already admitted to being the one who messed up.
RE: BigBlueJ  
BigBlueJ : 9/14/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15366394 Eric from BBI said:
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Are we still saying Peart was a "disaster" on Sunday because he stayed in his stance when Nick Gates snapped the ball too early?

Gates already admitted to being the one who messed up.


No not at all, I am not THAT bad. it is his overall performance and obvious concern he is not ready.
RE: BigBlueJ  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/14/2021 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15366394 Eric from BBI said:
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Are we still saying Peart was a "disaster" on Sunday because he stayed in his stance when Nick Gates snapped the ball too early?

Gates already admitted to being the one who messed up.


So...you are saying swing Gates out to RT? I don't hate it.
BigBlueJ  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/14/2021 1:32 pm : link
So what specifically bothered you about Peart on Sunday?
If  
BigBlueJ : 9/14/2021 1:38 pm : link
Peart does not improve and is not capable of holding down the RT position at the level we need to bookend this already very young, inexperienced and unsteady oline, and I think we can all agree that Solder is equally incapable of performing at a level we could call competent or at least league average, is this not considered a disaster considering the expectation, assets and money spent on this rebuild?
I would leave Gates at Center  
Rick in Dallas : 9/14/2021 1:40 pm : link
Why make a positive on the OL a potential negative by moving Gates to RT?
This coaching staff has made a decision to go with Peart and Solder. Let’s see how it plays out…
I think too many posters are basing their judgement  
Section331 : 9/14/2021 1:42 pm : link
of Peart's performance on that one play. I didn't realize that Gates admitted snapping early, but even if Peart screwed up the snap count, it is an easily correctible mistake.

I'm more concerned about our guards right now.
RE: If  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/14/2021 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15366409 BigBlueJ said:
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Peart does not improve and is not capable of holding down the RT position at the level we need to bookend this already very young, inexperienced and unsteady oline, and I think we can all agree that Solder is equally incapable of performing at a level we could call competent or at least league average, is this not considered a disaster considering the expectation, assets and money spent on this rebuild?


So you are writing off Peart?

I think that is a bit premature.
RE: I would leave Gates at Center  
Section331 : 9/14/2021 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15366410 Rick in Dallas said:
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Why make a positive on the OL a potential negative by moving Gates to RT?
This coaching staff has made a decision to go with Peart and Solder. Let’s see how it plays out…


I agree. Gates struggled at RT before being moved to OC, why would he be any better out there now?
Solder  
AcidTest : 9/14/2021 1:43 pm : link
is awful. He's done. The problem is that Peart couldn't beat out Solder. That doesn't necessarily mean Peart can't play RT. He might just not be ready, especially given what happened last season. But it's not a good sign that he can't even win the job from Solder.

Other options include Gates or calling up Jackson Barton from the PS.

Hernandez also didn't play well on Sunday.
I think at this point it's 'dance with one that brung you'  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 1:45 pm : link
Peart and Solder are your dates for the next 16 games at Right Tackle.

Don't stay out too late...
RE: I think too many posters are basing their judgement  
TheBlueprintNC : 9/14/2021 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15366413 Section331 said:
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of Peart's performance on that one play. I didn't realize that Gates admitted snapping early, but even if Peart screwed up the snap count, it is an easily correctible mistake.

I'm more concerned about our guards right now.


IMO all 3 guards looked ok in pass pro most of game -open some holes too RB missed em
RE: RE: If  
TheBlueprintNC : 9/14/2021 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15366414 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15366409 BigBlueJ said:


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Peart does not improve and is not capable of holding down the RT position at the level we need to bookend this already very young, inexperienced and unsteady oline, and I think we can all agree that Solder is equally incapable of performing at a level we could call competent or at least league average, is this not considered a disaster considering the expectation, assets and money spent on this rebuild?



So you are writing off Peart?

I think that is a bit premature.


absolutely this
RE: I think at this point it's 'dance with one that brung you'  
AcidTest : 9/14/2021 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15366421 Jimmy Googs said:
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Peart and Solder are your dates for the next 16 games at Right Tackle.

Don't stay out too late...


Probably true. In that case, I'd rather have Peart. There is at least some chance he can play the position. I don't think Solder can.
RE: RE: I think at this point it's 'dance with one that brung you'  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15366429 AcidTest said:
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In comment 15366421 Jimmy Googs said:


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Peart and Solder are your dates for the next 16 games at Right Tackle.

Don't stay out too late...



Probably true. In that case, I'd rather have Peart. There is at least some chance he can play the position. I don't think Solder can.


Of course. We might as well find out now if Peart can hold his own over the season.

Already know that Solder can't, so why bother with him unless Peart gets dinged or need to be spelled...
I think what has me the most irritated  
Dave on the UWS : 9/14/2021 2:05 pm : link
is,if they really want to build for the future and Judge is serious (and not feeding us BS) about developing these young lineman by giving them snaps, then Peart has to start and get the majority of the snaps. Give him help as much as possible, but having Solder play the majority of the snaps accomplishes NOTHING, either short term or long term.
Its kind of a microcosm of all the issues in the organization. Short term planning or long term?
If I didn't know better, I would think Mara has interfered with Judge about winning sooner rather than later or some crap like that. I can't see ANY logic to playing Solder. Peart has a lot to learn, but as he does he will get better. Solder is just a turnstile.
the mere fact that Peart couldn't beat out a clearly-cooked Solder  
Greg from LI : 9/14/2021 2:07 pm : link
for the starting job in the first place is worrisome by itself.
They should just put Peart in there  
eric2425ny : 9/14/2021 2:10 pm : link
full time and let him work out the kinks. Solder is beyond toast, I don’t even know if you could consider him a competent backup at this point. Did anyone else see the meme going around today showing Solder facing Jones and appearing to block Barkley while Miller just runs right past him? It’s embarrassing.
RE: the mere fact that Peart couldn't beat out a clearly-cooked Solder  
Matt M. : 9/14/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15366453 Greg from LI said:
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for the starting job in the first place is worrisome by itself.
Bingo! But, at this point, I see no value in keeping Solder as the starter. He looked cooked before opting out last year. He looks worse now on the other side. His age clearly precludes him from being in out long term plans. So, just start Peart because he was drafted to potentially be the RT this year or next anyway. With this team, I'd rather fail with the younger player to see what we have.
I'll be watching  
Bill in UT : 9/14/2021 2:18 pm : link
the waiver wire and let Getty know if anyone promising pops up
RE: the mere fact that Peart couldn't beat out a clearly-cooked Solder  
Vin_Cuccs : 9/14/2021 2:20 pm : link
In comment 15366453 Greg from LI said:
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for the starting job in the first place is worrisome by itself.


Bingo. Solder missed all of last season, basically admitted to not training, got injured in camp, and STILL beat out Peart, even after they tried to hand Peart the job.

Now does that mean the team gives up on him? No. But clearly his development has not gone according to plan thus far.

I don’t see how anyone can be encouraged by this series of events.
RE: I think too many posters are basing their judgement  
bigbluescot : 9/14/2021 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15366413 Section331 said:
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of Peart's performance on that one play. I didn't realize that Gates admitted snapping early, but even if Peart screwed up the snap count, it is an easily correctible mistake.

I'm more concerned about our guards right now.


Can believe it was Gates if you look back Gates was really the only one who moved, the rest of the line was static
Solder is/was Done  
Dankbeerman : 9/14/2021 2:28 pm : link
He should not be getting any snaps. Time to throw Peart out there and see what happens.

Find someone else to brinf to share snaps if need be but dont waste them on Solder. He is not improved by playing RT. He has been hot garbage since he got here.
Peart wasn't really a disaster  
Breeze_94 : 9/14/2021 2:29 pm : link
Solder was made to look pretty awful on that Von Miller sack. He also had a great block on the Shepard TD.

A lot of people are down on the OL. The Giants problems on Sunday stemmed from....

1. Defense not being able to get off the field on 3rd/4th down and allowing Denver to control the Time of Possession.

2. Offense squandering the few opportunities they had with conservative play-call (Garrett), untimely turnover (Jones), and poor redone execution.
1st round 2022 Draft  
WillVAB : 9/14/2021 2:32 pm : link
That’s what you do. You let him battle with Thomas and the loser plays RT next year.

RE: 1st round 2022 Draft  
Breeze_94 : 9/14/2021 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15366494 WillVAB said:
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That’s what you do. You let him battle with Thomas and the loser plays RT next year.


Really hoping the Bears go 2-15 and Giants can land Big Evan Neal with that pick.

Thomas- Lemieux- Gates- Bredeson -Neal with Peart as the swing is a pretty good start to an OL.

Look  
Gman11 : 9/14/2021 3:00 pm : link
We have some things that we need to clean up. We just need to play better and coach better. We need to improve from week to week. Not just the right tackle, but everybody.

or whatever the hell he says.
...  
ryanmkeane : 9/14/2021 3:01 pm : link
Peart is a 3rd round draft pick and hasn't had a ton of actual playing time. Unfortunately might need to wait a few more games to see if the guy can be our fixture there. It is what it is. Should Gettleman have just drafted a RT at 11? I guess we'll find out.
Play Peart  
Thegratefulhead : 9/14/2021 3:08 pm : link
At least there is some possible upside. Solder is just cashing checks. That Miller sack was awful, looked like a high school freshman vs college senior from D1. I am surprised he didn't point him to Jones to make sure he knew where to go.
If You Though Solder Was Bad  
Piranah In NC : 9/14/2021 5:54 pm : link
Go back and look at what happened to Leno of Washington that got Fitzpatrick put on IR.
seeing alot of the same posters who  
Rory : 9/14/2021 9:49 pm : link
trashed Peart after his first game like they did Gates after his 1st game.

do you have a learning disability?
RE: RE: RE: I think at this point it's 'dance with one that brung you'  
Jay on the Island : 9/14/2021 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15366435 Jimmy Googs said:
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We might as well find out now if Peart can hold his own over the season.

Already know that Solder can't, so why bother with him unless Peart gets dinged or need to be spelled...

You’re right, Solder is a backup not a starter and Peart gives them a better chance but there will be growing pains. The Giants need to deal with them though because they don’t have any better options and they need to find out if Peart is their guy at RT long term.


RE: seeing alot of the same posters who  
Jay on the Island : 9/15/2021 12:05 am : link
In comment 15366983 Rory said:
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trashed Peart after his first game like they did Gates after his 1st game.

do you have a learning disability?

Don’t forget the posters bashing Thomas after one half of a preseason game while lamenting the Giants passing on Becton.

Linemen need time to develop but people are so impatient these days that they want and expect them to thrive during their rookie seasons. David Diehl, Rich Seubert, Shaun O’Hara, Kareem McKenzie, Nick Gates either didn’t start at all for at least their rookie season or they played guard.

Peart worked hard to add more muscle to his huge frame plus he has the feet and athleticism to play on the left side. Hopefully he is the answer because that would fill a huge hole and he is very cheap for two more years after this one.
RE: I'll be watching  
aquidneck : 9/15/2021 3:01 am : link
In comment 15366465 Bill in UT said:
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the waiver wire and let Getty know if anyone promising pops up


There is no waiver wire to watch this time of year.

Any OTs available are on practice squads. You can have your choice, But in order to make that choice you have to add the guy you choose to your active roster immediately.

And maybe this works. Look around the league. Has it worked for anybody? What stud OT has spent time on one or more teams' practice aquads at some point in his career? Are there any?

Don't know the answer.

Make Solder a TE (Blocking type)  
mavric : 9/15/2021 9:11 am : link
Then maybe a combo of Peart/Solder can hold down the right side of the line!
Solder  
Joey in VA : 9/15/2021 11:02 am : link
Plays soft too, he's got absolutely no edge.
RE: Solder  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/15/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15366418 AcidTest said:
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is awful. He's done. The problem is that Peart couldn't beat out Solder. That doesn't necessarily mean Peart can't play RT. He might just not be ready, especially given what happened last season. But it's not a good sign that he can't even win the job from Solder.

Other options include Gates or calling up Jackson Barton from the PS.

Hernandez also didn't play well on Sunday.

It might be a coincidence, but every OT who has played next to Hernandez, on both sides of the line, has played poorly.

I don't know whether that's an indictment of Hernandez and that he's making them look worse than they are, or whether he's being hampered by poor OT play next to him.
RE: RE: Solder  
AcidTest : 9/16/2021 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15367376 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15366418 AcidTest said:


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is awful. He's done. The problem is that Peart couldn't beat out Solder. That doesn't necessarily mean Peart can't play RT. He might just not be ready, especially given what happened last season. But it's not a good sign that he can't even win the job from Solder.

Other options include Gates or calling up Jackson Barton from the PS.

Hernandez also didn't play well on Sunday.


It might be a coincidence, but every OT who has played next to Hernandez, on both sides of the line, has played poorly.

I don't know whether that's an indictment of Hernandez and that he's making them look worse than they are, or whether he's being hampered by poor OT play next to him.


I think it's both, with the whole being less than the sum of the parts.
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