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NGT- Saints have a Covid Issue- 8 members of the Saints

jvm52106 : 9/14/2021 2:19 pm
(staff, coaches and players) have tested positive so far. One of the eight is a player so possibility of more looms.
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This really isn't hard.  
Mad Mike : 9/14/2021 2:26 pm : link
Hopefully the Giants will avoid problems. And while I'm all for following protocols and staying healthy, if he Saints want to be careless for a few more weeks, well, I that might not be the worst thing.
RE: This really isn't hard.  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2021 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15366478 Mad Mike said:
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Hopefully the Giants will avoid problems. And while I'm all for following protocols and staying healthy, if he Saints want to be careless for a few more weeks, well, I that might not be the worst thing.


Its actually is pretty hard - there's well over 100 people to account for for ever team and that's just players and staff, doesn't include family/friends so bump that number up 3-4x minimum. What exactly is easy about managing this?
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Zeke's Alibi : 9/14/2021 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15366486 UConn4523 said:
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Hopefully the Giants will avoid problems. And while I'm all for following protocols and staying healthy, if he Saints want to be careless for a few more weeks, well, I that might not be the worst thing.



Its actually is pretty hard - there's well over 100 people to account for for ever team and that's just players and staff, doesn't include family/friends so bump that number up 3-4x minimum. What exactly is easy about managing this?


Right, especially considering the vaccine only protects from severe illness death it seems. Contagions are very hard to contain in a contact sport where these guys are all over each other all the time.
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jvm52106 : 9/14/2021 2:39 pm : link
In comment 15366486 UConn4523 said:
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Hopefully the Giants will avoid problems. And while I'm all for following protocols and staying healthy, if he Saints want to be careless for a few more weeks, well, I that might not be the worst thing.



Its actually is pretty hard - there's well over 100 people to account for for ever team and that's just players and staff, doesn't include family/friends so bump that number up 3-4x minimum. What exactly is easy about managing this?


Add in they had to relocate elsewhere due to the Hurricane. Nothing easy about this at all.
I wonder if the NFL will give them a pass or at least the benefit of  
GiantBlue : 9/14/2021 2:50 pm : link
the doubt because of Ida.

It did require special circumstances of everyone living there.

It will be interesting.
RE: I wonder if the NFL will give them a pass or at least the benefit of  
JohnB : 9/14/2021 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15366531 GiantBlue said:
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the doubt because of Ida.

It did require special circumstances of everyone living there.

It will be interesting.


I’m not being political but Covid does not give people the benefit of the doubt. It just keeps spreading and that’s what the NFL wants to stop. So I doubt the NFL will let up because they truly want to stop Covid because Covid stops games and losing games cost them money. They’re out for the almighty buck and will protect their cash cow at all costs including the Saints
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PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15366503 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Hopefully the Giants will avoid problems. And while I'm all for following protocols and staying healthy, if he Saints want to be careless for a few more weeks, well, I that might not be the worst thing.



Its actually is pretty hard - there's well over 100 people to account for for ever team and that's just players and staff, doesn't include family/friends so bump that number up 3-4x minimum. What exactly is easy about managing this?



Right, especially considering the vaccine only protects from severe illness death it seems. Contagions are very hard to contain in a contact sport where these guys are all over each other all the time.


That's the primary benefit. The secondary benefit is the vaccine also provides some immunity. How much is debatable. But what we're seeing in public health right is a rate of about 1 breakthrough case per 5000 fully vaccinated individuals. That's a rate of .002%.

So not that difficult to prevent outbreaks assuming a significant portion of your workforce is vaccinated. Community vaccine rates also play a factor.
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Mad Mike : 9/14/2021 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15366571 PwndPapi said:
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That's the primary benefit. The secondary benefit is the vaccine also provides some immunity. How much is debatable. But what we're seeing in public health right is a rate of about 1 breakthrough case per 5000 fully vaccinated individuals. That's a rate of .002%.

So not that difficult to prevent outbreaks assuming a significant portion of your workforce is vaccinated. Community vaccine rates also play a factor.

And vaccines are not the only effective tool to prevent outbreaks.
so what are then?  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2021 3:24 pm : link
because its happening a lot and the NFL can't realistically do much more to prevent this. How are you going to account for the hundreds of people per day per team any better than what they are currently doing?

This isn't the NBA (who still had a bunch of cases) where you can bubble and control travel. It just is what it is right now and teams have to deal with it the best they can. Just like the Yankees or Red Sox and the rest of baseball who's been dealing with cases all summer long.
This outbreak reportedly  
pjcas18 : 9/14/2021 3:34 pm : link
began with 6 assistant coaches and 1 nutritionist who were all fully vaccinated (based on that definition as of today).

It has now expanded to included one player whose vaccinated status has not been reported but who is on IR and therefore not allowed to practice with the team, so not sure if/how the player came in contact with the coaches (team/position meetings?)

zero COVID is probably not realistic IMO (if that's the goal).



RE: This outbreak reportedly  
PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15366618 pjcas18 said:
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began with 6 assistant coaches and 1 nutritionist who were all fully vaccinated (based on that definition as of today).

It has now expanded to included one player whose vaccinated status has not been reported but who is on IR and therefore not allowed to practice with the team, so not sure if/how the player came in contact with the coaches (team/position meetings?)

zero COVID is probably not realistic IMO (if that's the goal).




Highly doubtful (but not impossible) the outbreak began with 6 fully vaccinated individuals. This doesn't statiscally jibe with the instance of breakthrough cases we're seeing in the population at large with much larger sample sizes and sounds a lot like misinformation from anti-vaxx source (eg. hospitals are filling up with vaccinated people).

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k2tampa : 9/14/2021 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15366503 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Hopefully the Giants will avoid problems. And while I'm all for following protocols and staying healthy, if he Saints want to be careless for a few more weeks, well, I that might not be the worst thing.



Its actually is pretty hard - there's well over 100 people to account for for ever team and that's just players and staff, doesn't include family/friends so bump that number up 3-4x minimum. What exactly is easy about managing this?



Right, especially considering the vaccine only protects from severe illness death it seems. Contagions are very hard to contain in a contact sport where these guys are all over each other all the time.


The vaccines don't protect just against severe illness. In fact, even against Delta they are more effective than most year's flu vaccines (which are generally from 45 to 65 percent effective) at preventing infection.

This is hardly a surprise since they lived and trained in New Orleans (one of the states with the worst numbers) before the hurricane, went to Texas (another place with big case counts) and then traveled to Jacksonville (Duval County has been one of the three worst counties in Florida).

RE: RE: I wonder if the NFL will give them a pass or at least the benefit of  
joeinpa : 9/14/2021 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15366557 JohnB said:
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the doubt because of Ida.

It did require special circumstances of everyone living there.

It will be interesting.



I’m not being political but Covid does not give people the benefit of the doubt. It just keeps spreading and that’s what the NFL wants to stop. So I doubt the NFL will let up because they truly want to stop Covid because Covid stops games and losing games cost them money. They’re out for the almighty buck and will protect their cash cow at all costs including the Saints


Covid is not going anywhere and it won’t stop being contagious.
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KDavies : 9/14/2021 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15366627 PwndPapi said:
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began with 6 assistant coaches and 1 nutritionist who were all fully vaccinated (based on that definition as of today).

It has now expanded to included one player whose vaccinated status has not been reported but who is on IR and therefore not allowed to practice with the team, so not sure if/how the player came in contact with the coaches (team/position meetings?)

zero COVID is probably not realistic IMO (if that's the goal).






Highly doubtful (but not impossible) the outbreak began with 6 fully vaccinated individuals. This doesn't statiscally jibe with the instance of breakthrough cases we're seeing in the population at large with much larger sample sizes and sounds a lot like misinformation from anti-vaxx source (eg. hospitals are filling up with vaccinated people).


Per the Saints, all coaches were vaccinated. But speculate as you will....
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joeinpa : 9/14/2021 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15366557 JohnB said:
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the doubt because of Ida.

It did require special circumstances of everyone living there.

It will be interesting.



I’m not being political but Covid does not give people the benefit of the doubt. It just keeps spreading and that’s what the NFL wants to stop. So I doubt the NFL will let up because they truly want to stop Covid because Covid stops games and losing games cost them money. They’re out for the almighty buck and will protect their cash cow at all costs including the Saints


I think it s been pretty well established, that we can’t stop covid from spreading
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joeinpa : 9/14/2021 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15366557 JohnB said:
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the doubt because of Ida.

It did require special circumstances of everyone living there.

It will be interesting.



I’m not being political but Covid does not give people the benefit of the doubt. It just keeps spreading and that’s what the NFL wants to stop. So I doubt the NFL will let up because they truly want to stop Covid because Covid stops games and losing games cost them money. They’re out for the almighty buck and will protect their cash cow at all costs including the Saints


I think it s been pretty well established, that we can’t stop covid from spreading
It's no surprise that this happened to Saints  
ZogZerg : 9/14/2021 4:14 pm : link
They were forced to leave their protected bubble due to the Hurricane.

That makes it even more impressive that they put a beat down on the Pack.
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PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 4:32 pm : link
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began with 6 assistant coaches and 1 nutritionist who were all fully vaccinated (based on that definition as of today).

It has now expanded to included one player whose vaccinated status has not been reported but who is on IR and therefore not allowed to practice with the team, so not sure if/how the player came in contact with the coaches (team/position meetings?)

zero COVID is probably not realistic IMO (if that's the goal).






Highly doubtful (but not impossible) the outbreak began with 6 fully vaccinated individuals. This doesn't statiscally jibe with the instance of breakthrough cases we're seeing in the population at large with much larger sample sizes and sounds a lot like misinformation from anti-vaxx source (eg. hospitals are filling up with vaccinated people).




Per the Saints, all coaches were vaccinated. But speculate as you will.... Link - ( New Window )


That's all well and good. I don't buy it. The odds of 2 breakthrough cases linked to the same location is .000004. You run the odds of 6 all being linked.
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cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15366627 PwndPapi said:
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began with 6 assistant coaches and 1 nutritionist who were all fully vaccinated (based on that definition as of today).

It has now expanded to included one player whose vaccinated status has not been reported but who is on IR and therefore not allowed to practice with the team, so not sure if/how the player came in contact with the coaches (team/position meetings?)

zero COVID is probably not realistic IMO (if that's the goal).






Highly doubtful (but not impossible) the outbreak began with 6 fully vaccinated individuals. This doesn't statiscally jibe with the instance of breakthrough cases we're seeing in the population at large with much larger sample sizes and sounds a lot like misinformation from anti-vaxx source (eg. hospitals are filling up with vaccinated people).



Really because the same thing happened with the yankees. Vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting it. Everyone knows this.
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cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 4:45 pm : link
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began with 6 assistant coaches and 1 nutritionist who were all fully vaccinated (based on that definition as of today).

It has now expanded to included one player whose vaccinated status has not been reported but who is on IR and therefore not allowed to practice with the team, so not sure if/how the player came in contact with the coaches (team/position meetings?)

zero COVID is probably not realistic IMO (if that's the goal).






Highly doubtful (but not impossible) the outbreak began with 6 fully vaccinated individuals. This doesn't statiscally jibe with the instance of breakthrough cases we're seeing in the population at large with much larger sample sizes and sounds a lot like misinformation from anti-vaxx source (eg. hospitals are filling up with vaccinated people).




Per the Saints, all coaches were vaccinated. But speculate as you will.... Link - ( New Window )



That's all well and good. I don't buy it. The odds of 2 breakthrough cases linked to the same location is .000004. You run the odds of 6 all being linked.


Where are you getting these numbers from?
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PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15366722 cokeduplt said:
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Highly doubtful (but not impossible) the outbreak began with 6 fully vaccinated individuals. This doesn't statiscally jibe with the instance of breakthrough cases we're seeing in the population at large with much larger sample sizes and sounds a lot like misinformation from anti-vaxx source (eg. hospitals are filling up with vaccinated people).



Really because the same thing happened with the yankees. Vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting it. Everyone knows this.


Well, then. Don't let me rain on your little parade of experts and know-it-alls.
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PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 4:50 pm : link
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Where are you getting these numbers from?


My knowledge of math and epidemiology.

They were in Florida  
Joey in VA : 9/14/2021 4:52 pm : link
What do you expect in that unvaccinated idiot state.
RE: They were in Florida  
pjcas18 : 9/14/2021 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15366740 Joey in VA said:
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What do you expect in that unvaccinated idiot state.


Florida is 21st out of 50 in vaccination rate.
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cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 5:31 pm : link
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Where are you getting these numbers from?



My knowledge of math and epidemiology.


I guess you don’t know as much as you think
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Mad Mike : 9/14/2021 5:35 pm : link
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I guess you don’t know as much as you think

Rarely is a post so deliciously ironic.
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TJ : 9/14/2021 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15366627 PwndPapi said:
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Highly doubtful (but not impossible) the outbreak began with 6 fully vaccinated individuals. This doesn't statiscally jibe with the instance of breakthrough cases we're seeing in the population at large with much larger sample sizes and sounds a lot like misinformation from anti-vaxx source (eg. hospitals are filling up with vaccinated people).


This. Not impossible but totally contradicts the numbers I'm seeing. I wouldn't even want to guess how infinitesimally small the probability of it going down as described.
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cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 6:29 pm : link
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I guess you don’t know as much as you think


Rarely is a post so deliciously ironic.


So the Saints are lying about coaches/staff being vaccinated?
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TJ : 9/14/2021 6:32 pm : link
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I guess you don’t know as much as you think


Rarely is a post so deliciously ironic.



So the Saints are lying about coaches/staff being vaccinated?


Who knows? But mathematically the story as it was presented here makes no sense at all.
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cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 6:35 pm : link
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I guess you don’t know as much as you think


Rarely is a post so deliciously ironic.



So the Saints are lying about coaches/staff being vaccinated?



Who knows? But mathematically the story as it was presented here makes no sense at all.


Not true Israel had a delta outbreak even though the majority of the population is vaccinated.
Israel - ( New Window )
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TJ : 9/14/2021 6:45 pm : link
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I guess you don’t know as much as you think


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So the Saints are lying about coaches/staff being vaccinated?



Who knows? But mathematically the story as it was presented here makes no sense at all.



Not true Israel had a delta outbreak even though the majority of the population is vaccinated. Israel - ( New Window )


The numbers in this country don't match up with those in Israel, possibly for the reason cited in your article. Israelis got the vaccine earlier Than most Americans and the Israeli doctors are seeing a diminution of effectiveness for those who got the vaccine earliest.
This is what is driving much of the talk of boosters in both countries.
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PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 6:58 pm : link
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So the Saints are lying about coaches/staff being vaccinated?



Who knows? But mathematically the story as it was presented here makes no sense at all.



Not true Israel had a delta outbreak even though the majority of the population is vaccinated. Israel - ( New Window )


While Israel does have a high rate of vaccination per 100,000 people, there are pockets of highly insular communities that are not vaccinated. State vaccination rates comparisons don't really tell us a lot from an epidemiological perspective. Likewise, comparing Israel to the US doesn't mean much other than to tell us Israel isn't quite affected by the anti-vaxx misinformation campaigns on the fringes of both right and left.

What we should be thinking more about is county vs county within specific geographical areas. If you are a resident of Marin County, CA - low vaccination rates in Riverside or San Bernadino counties don't mean a whole lot. If however, you're fully vaccinated and residing in Pomona or LA, your chance of a breakthrough just went up due to the low rates within the community. This is why breakthrough rates are generally higher in places where vaccination per 100,000 is low.
and yes...  
PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 7:04 pm : link
20% unvaccinated in Israel can be significant if the 20% who are unvaccinated are living in densely populated areas rather than sprinkled throughout. 20% is, after all, still about 1.6M individuals.
and even then  
PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 7:06 pm : link
breakthrough cases are expected and do not at all prove your assertion that vaccines do not stop transmission. They absolutely do and we see evidence of it everywhere that people have been vaccinated.
Vaccinated people  
cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 7:20 pm : link
Are getting covid. The Saints have 6 people that get covid that are vaccinated.People in Israel that are vaccinated are getting covid. But I’m wrong in saying covid doesn’t stop transmission. Gotcha
"Vaccinated people are getting Covid"  
PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 7:29 pm : link
Is not the same as saying breakthroughs are occurring at a rate of 1 in 5000 vaccinated people. You simply lack the statistical and epidemiological knowledge - or ignoring the data altogether. Assuming you've even bothered looking at it.

We knew there would be breakthrough cases because vaccine efficacy is not 100%. Projection of just the 95% efficacy from the clinical trials across the entire US population should indicate there would be thousands of breakthroughs.

Your Sherlock Holmesian reasoning skills haven't debunked anything. You simply don't know what you're talking about.
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uconngiant : 9/14/2021 7:33 pm : link
In comment 15366880 PwndPapi said:
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Is not the same as saying breakthroughs are occurring at a rate of 1 in 5000 vaccinated people. You simply lack the statistical and epidemiological knowledge - or ignoring the data altogether. Assuming you've even bothered looking at it.

We knew there would be breakthrough cases because vaccine efficacy is not 100%. Projection of just the 95% efficacy from the clinical trials across the entire US population should indicate there would be thousands of breakthroughs.

Your Sherlock Holmesian reasoning skills haven't debunked anything. You simply don't know what you're talking about.


So says a man on the Giant's board.

I have two friends who have their shot and have covid again.
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cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 7:36 pm : link
In comment 15366880 PwndPapi said:
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Is not the same as saying breakthroughs are occurring at a rate of 1 in 5000 vaccinated people. You simply lack the statistical and epidemiological knowledge - or ignoring the data altogether. Assuming you've even bothered looking at it.

We knew there would be breakthrough cases because vaccine efficacy is not 100%. Projection of just the 95% efficacy from the clinical trials across the entire US population should indicate there would be thousands of breakthroughs.

Your Sherlock Holmesian reasoning skills haven't debunked anything. You simply don't know what you're talking about.


So you’re ignoring the Saints have 6. People vaccinated with covid . I’m not trying to debunk anything you are. Your claiming you don’t believe the Saints. I’m saying it’s possible to get covid even if vaccinated which is a fact.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/14/2021 7:38 pm : link
For the love of God...again...getting vaccinated doesn't mean you won't get COVID. It pretty much guarantees you won't end up hospitalized or even worse, dead. It's like why people get the flu shot. You might get the flu, but it won't be nearly as bad if you didn't get the shot in the first place.

It's September 14, 2021. Why do people still not get this?
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cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 7:39 pm : link
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For the love of God...again...getting vaccinated doesn't mean you won't get COVID. It pretty much guarantees you won't end up hospitalized or even worse, dead. It's like why people get the flu shot. You might get the flu, but it won't be nearly as bad if you didn't get the shot in the first place.

It's September 14, 2021. Why do people still not get this?



This is what I’m saying.
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PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 7:39 pm : link
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Is not the same as saying breakthroughs are occurring at a rate of 1 in 5000 vaccinated people. You simply lack the statistical and epidemiological knowledge - or ignoring the data altogether. Assuming you've even bothered looking at it.

We knew there would be breakthrough cases because vaccine efficacy is not 100%. Projection of just the 95% efficacy from the clinical trials across the entire US population should indicate there would be thousands of breakthroughs.

Your Sherlock Holmesian reasoning skills haven't debunked anything. You simply don't know what you're talking about.



So you’re ignoring the Saints have 6. People vaccinated with covid . I’m not trying to debunk anything you are. Your claiming you don’t believe the Saints. I’m saying it’s possible to get covid even if vaccinated which is a fact.


You claimed the vaccines do not stop transmission. Scroll up and re-read. It's categorically false. No one's disputed vaccinated people can't get Covid. You're clearly walking it back, which is not surprising.
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cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 7:56 pm : link
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Is not the same as saying breakthroughs are occurring at a rate of 1 in 5000 vaccinated people. You simply lack the statistical and epidemiological knowledge - or ignoring the data altogether. Assuming you've even bothered looking at it.

We knew there would be breakthrough cases because vaccine efficacy is not 100%. Projection of just the 95% efficacy from the clinical trials across the entire US population should indicate there would be thousands of breakthroughs.

Your Sherlock Holmesian reasoning skills haven't debunked anything. You simply don't know what you're talking about.



So you’re ignoring the Saints have 6. People vaccinated with covid . I’m not trying to debunk anything you are. Your claiming you don’t believe the Saints. I’m saying it’s possible to get covid even if vaccinated which is a fact.



You claimed the vaccines do not stop transmission. Scroll up and re-read. It's categorically false. No one's disputed vaccinated people can't get Covid. You're clearly walking it back, which is not surprising.


No I’m not walking anything back I claimed u can still get covid even if vaccinated. You claimed the Saints are lying because it’s statistcly improbable.
Also the cdc  
cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 7:59 pm : link
Website even states fully vaccinated can spread delta variant
CDC - ( New Window )
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PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 8:01 pm : link
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Really because the same thing happened with the yankees. Vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting it. Everyone knows this.


Ok.
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cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 8:03 pm : link
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Really because the same thing happened with the yankees. Vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting it. Everyone knows this.



Ok.


Right the vaccine doesn’t stop u from getting it. Exactly
RE: Also the cdc  
PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 8:03 pm : link
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Website even states fully vaccinated can spread delta variant CDC - ( New Window )


No one has disputed vaccinated people who contract Covid can't spread. It's an entirely different point and yet another straw man. How about you just admit you don't know what you're talking about?
Some people have a lot Invested in science denial  
TJ : 9/14/2021 8:04 pm : link
There is really nothing to argue about here.
The problems with your Isreal argument have been explained.
And anecdotal claims are meaningless and even silly when talking about the scientific and statistical findings gleaned from millions of people.
I give up...  
PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 8:04 pm : link
Some people are simply beyond learning anything.
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bradshaw44 : 9/14/2021 8:06 pm : link
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began with 6 assistant coaches and 1 nutritionist who were all fully vaccinated (based on that definition as of today).

It has now expanded to included one player whose vaccinated status has not been reported but who is on IR and therefore not allowed to practice with the team, so not sure if/how the player came in contact with the coaches (team/position meetings?)

zero COVID is probably not realistic IMO (if that's the goal).






Highly doubtful (but not impossible) the outbreak began with 6 fully vaccinated individuals. This doesn't statiscally jibe with the instance of breakthrough cases we're seeing in the population at large with much larger sample sizes and sounds a lot like misinformation from anti-vaxx source (eg. hospitals are filling up with vaccinated people).




Per the Saints, all coaches were vaccinated. But speculate as you will.... Link - ( New Window )



That's all well and good. I don't buy it. The odds of 2 breakthrough cases linked to the same location is .000004. You run the odds of 6 all being linked.



Where are you getting these numbers from?


FHA
Yea both of you are in denial  
cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 8:06 pm : link
Vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting covid.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/14/2021 8:07 pm : link
Getting fully vaxxed doesn't mean you can't get COVID. Nobody argues this. It's still extremely rare that you will get it & pretty much impossible you'll die.

(Banging head against the wall)
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cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15366920 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Getting fully vaxxed doesn't mean you can't get COVID. Nobody argues this. It's still extremely rare that you will get it & pretty much impossible you'll die.

(Banging head against the wall)


But then why is everyone arguing with me when that’s all I’m saying.
It's absolutely amazing...  
PwndPapi : 9/14/2021 8:13 pm : link
You're provided vaccine efficacy from clinical trials of 95% under controlled conditions and then the nutjobs who barely have an HS grasp of math or science latch on to the extremely low incidences of breakthrough to argue that the vaccines don't work.

Beyond Covid, this county has a serious problem with low information experts. Covid we'll get past. The latter, I've no idea.
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Really because the same thing happened with the yankees. Vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting it. Everyone knows this.



Ok.



Right the vaccine doesn’t stop u from getting it. Exactly


No correct term would be that the vaccine does not absolutely prevent you from getting it. You can still get it and still die even after getting the vaccine. They are not fool proof. Most vaccines are not fool proof.

It can prevent you from getting it. It does reduce your chances of getting it and does reduce the effects in most cases. (Just like flu shots)

Kind of nit picky
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cokeduplt : 9/14/2021 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15366924 PwndPapi said:
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You're provided vaccine efficacy from clinical trials of 95% under controlled conditions and then the nutjobs who barely have an HS grasp of math or science latch on to the extremely low incidences of breakthrough to argue that the vaccines don't work.

Beyond Covid, this county has a serious problem with low information experts. Covid we'll get past. The latter, I've no idea.



I never said vaccines don’t work. You seem to emotional about this. Have a good night
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