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3rd and 9 from Giants 5 yard line

bcinsd : 9/14/2021 3:17 pm

Critical 3rd down after getting ball after turnover by Logan.
Jones stares down Rudolph from snap of ball. Pocket intact.
Notice 19 (our very expensive new #1 receiver) at the bottom cutting across the middle with cornerback 8 yards off. Hit him in stride across the middle and his momentum carries him to sure first down. If he beats the corner, possible huge gain. Instead Jones never comes off Rudolph and delivers ball to a receiver running towards sideline with 2 defenders nearby with zero chance of making the first down.




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Please make it stop  
Everyone Relax : 9/14/2021 3:19 pm : link
...
YOu use a still image to try  
jvm52106 : 9/14/2021 3:23 pm : link
and provide proof of point. Ok, let's look deeper at the problem:

I see four Giants receivers running routes that stop or cut all at about 4 yards from the LOS. Who the fuck draws that up?

That is a staple of Garrett's offense, too many players running about the same distance from the LOS and roughly all horizontally in line with each other. It is without a doubt one of the biggest flaws we have and makes for turnover central.

Jones does his best work with receivers moving away from him, not stopping and coming back to him or just sitting down.. Garrett's scheme is flawed and works against the talent we have brought on board.
The beatings will continue  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/14/2021 3:23 pm : link
until morale improves or the Giants score 28 points in a single game.
It's obvious from the angles  
shyster : 9/14/2021 3:28 pm : link
That Golladay is coming open heading downfield.

Dozens of people have criticized Garrett for the play call and still trying to do so, even though the first down play was there to be made.

Jones is the most important player on the team and his lack of feel at critical moments is his biggest problem, more so than holding on to the ball.

Great post.
RE: YOu use a still image to try  
bcinsd : 9/14/2021 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15366601 jvm52106 said:
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and provide proof of point. Ok, let's look deeper at the problem:

I see four Giants receivers running routes that stop or cut all at about 4 yards from the LOS. Who the fuck draws that up?

That is a staple of Garrett's offense, too many players running about the same distance from the LOS and roughly all horizontally in line with each other. It is without a doubt one of the biggest flaws we have and makes for turnover central.

Jones does his best work with receivers moving away from him, not stopping and coming back to him or just sitting down.. Garrett's scheme is flawed and works against the talent we have brought on board.


I'm not a expert by any means, but I see a play designed to clear the right middle of the field to get Golladay the ball in space with momentum carrying him to first down.
My issue was with the call on first down.  
johnnyb : 9/14/2021 3:38 pm : link
After the turnover, I would have liked to see the Giants come out aggressive and throw the ball downfield. Let Golladay play jump ball or see if Slayton can be freed up as he was in Q1. Instead we run right into the line for a gain of one yard.

Where is the imagination??
RE: YOu use a still image to try  
Section331 : 9/14/2021 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15366601 jvm52106 said:
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and provide proof of point. Ok, let's look deeper at the problem:

I see four Giants receivers running routes that stop or cut all at about 4 yards from the LOS. Who the fuck draws that up?

That is a staple of Garrett's offense, too many players running about the same distance from the LOS and roughly all horizontally in line with each other. It is without a doubt one of the biggest flaws we have and makes for turnover central.

Jones does his best work with receivers moving away from him, not stopping and coming back to him or just sitting down.. Garrett's scheme is flawed and works against the talent we have brought on board.


I don't disagree with your points about Garrett, but Garrett can design a bad play, and Jones can still execute it poorly. In this case, it at least appears that the patterns have cleared the middle of the field, where Golladay can get open. I have to think KG is the primary option, given how the play is designed. If he gets the ball, he has a first down.
RE: It's obvious from the angles  
rsjem1979 : 9/14/2021 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15366611 shyster said:
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That Golladay is coming open heading downfield.

Dozens of people have criticized Garrett for the play call and still trying to do so, even though the first down play was there to be made.

Jones is the most important player on the team and his lack of feel at critical moments is his biggest problem, more so than holding on to the ball.

Great post.


In fairness, there's a safety sitting over the top on Golladay, and since the slot on that side of the formation isn't doing anything up the field, so it's not going to be an easy throw, although if it's on time there's at least a chance to get a first down there. Jones never even looked at him.

Bigger question, what is Slayton doing, and what SHOULD he have been doing? If his route called for him to run 3 steps and stop without influencing any of the DBs over there, Jason Garrett shouldn't be coaching high school football.
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Imagination is telling Golladay to just go deep in the huddle  
chick310 : 9/14/2021 3:44 pm : link
and throw a jump ball?

Maybe Garrett was imagining the Offensive Line could reasonably run block once or twice, and help get the team deep out of its own end zone without a killer turnover.
RE: RE: It's obvious from the angles  
shyster : 9/14/2021 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15366630 rsjem1979 said:
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In fairness, there's a safety sitting over the top on Golladay, and since the slot on that side of the formation isn't doing anything up the field, so it's not going to be an easy throw, although if it's on time there's at least a chance to get a first down there. Jones never even looked at him.

Bigger question, what is Slayton doing, and what SHOULD he have been doing? If his route called for him to run 3 steps and stop without influencing any of the DBs over there, Jason Garrett shouldn't be coaching high school football. Link - ( New Window )


Good points.

I think Slayton was trying to execute a rub/pick for Rudolph's benefit but the DBs didn't fall for it.

As you say, Jones never looked anywhere else, never looked to see if the rub was working as designed.

That's what struck me watching it live.
RE: RE: YOu use a still image to try  
Matt M. : 9/14/2021 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15366620 bcinsd said:
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and provide proof of point. Ok, let's look deeper at the problem:

I see four Giants receivers running routes that stop or cut all at about 4 yards from the LOS. Who the fuck draws that up?

That is a staple of Garrett's offense, too many players running about the same distance from the LOS and roughly all horizontally in line with each other. It is without a doubt one of the biggest flaws we have and makes for turnover central.

Jones does his best work with receivers moving away from him, not stopping and coming back to him or just sitting down.. Garrett's scheme is flawed and works against the talent we have brought on board.



I'm not a expert by any means, but I see a play designed to clear the right middle of the field to get Golladay the ball in space with momentum carrying him to first down.
To me it looks more like it was clear the left flat. That looks like they expected Rudolph to have room to turn upfield. But with a scrape down the line, it's too shallow and both defenders on that side came off the receiver immediately to converge on him.

That said, it does look like Golladay would come open, but he is also just coming out of his break in that still.The S looks poised to converge.

Denver's played it well and it was a poor call with the depth of Rudolph's route and the personnel running those routes. To me, if Rudolph is a few yards deeper and Golladay is the WR to that side drawing the CB and S, it might work.
And I am not trying to really defend Garrett here. It is just that  
chick310 : 9/14/2021 3:52 pm : link
the site has been littered with so many comments this week about how Judge and BOTH his Coordinators need to be more creative, aggressive, prepared, scheme-oriented, imaginative, flexible, run more, throw downfield more, play man-to-man more, mix things up, etc.

I don't really think success from the 2021 season is going to come from our coaches really outsmarting the other coaches. It's going to come from the NY Giant players playing better football.

You have no idea who the primary option is on the play  
Eli Wilson : 9/14/2021 3:54 pm : link
Only the Giants know.

If the primary option was Golladay and Jones never looks at him, then bad on Jones.

If Rudolph is the primary option and Jones hits him, then Jones did what he should have.

RE: RE: It's obvious from the angles  
Section331 : 9/14/2021 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15366630 rsjem1979 said:
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In fairness, there's a safety sitting over the top on Golladay, and since the slot on that side of the formation isn't doing anything up the field, so it's not going to be an easy throw, although if it's on time there's at least a chance to get a first down there. Jones never even looked at him.

Bigger question, what is Slayton doing, and what SHOULD he have been doing? If his route called for him to run 3 steps and stop without influencing any of the DBs over there, Jason Garrett shouldn't be coaching high school football. Link - ( New Window )


Thanks for posting that. Couldn't see the safety in the still photo, and you're right, he could have made that play. So the play could have been intended for Rudolph, but Slayton screwed up the spacing. Still, Jones birddogged Rudolph the whole way. That's a really bad habit he has to be broken of.
This is really damming of Jones  
GNewGiants : 9/14/2021 3:57 pm : link
And these posts should continue because it actually shows his failures.

I mean Golladay is your number 1, and is wide open. If he fails to get to the sticks - that’s in design but we have our best WR whose wide open.

Instead he’s focusing on a slow TE running a one yard pattern.

Jones brain was suppose to be his strength but with each game he misses wide open WRs and fixates on guys who are covered.
RE: You have no idea who the primary option is on the play  
Section331 : 9/14/2021 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15366649 Eli Wilson said:
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Only the Giants know.

If the primary option was Golladay and Jones never looks at him, then bad on Jones.

If Rudolph is the primary option and Jones hits him, then Jones did what he should have.


If Rudolph is the primary, it is a bad indictment of Garrett's playcalling that he opts for a 4 yard route on 3rd and 8. He did the same thing on a 3rd down during the Giants 1st TD drive, calling a 5 yd slant on 3rd and 8, but he got bailed out by a Broncos PI.
RE: RE: You have no idea who the primary option is on the play  
Eli Wilson : 9/14/2021 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15366657 Section331 said:
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Only the Giants know.

If the primary option was Golladay and Jones never looks at him, then bad on Jones.

If Rudolph is the primary option and Jones hits him, then Jones did what he should have.




If Rudolph is the primary, it is a bad indictment of Garrett's playcalling that he opts for a 4 yard route on 3rd and 8. He did the same thing on a 3rd down during the Giants 1st TD drive, calling a 5 yd slant on 3rd and 8, but he got bailed out by a Broncos PI.


100% agree. Someone screwed the pooch here and hopefully it gets corrected.
RE: RE: RE: It's obvious from the angles  
shyster : 9/14/2021 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15366651 Section331 said:
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Thanks for posting that. Couldn't see the safety in the still photo, and you're right, he could have made that play. So the play could have been intended for Rudolph, but Slayton screwed up the spacing. Still, Jones birddogged Rudolph the whole way. That's a really bad habit he has to be broken of.


I wouldn't put it on Slayton because sometimes the DBs are prepared for the pick play and there's nothing he can do to make it work.

Things are happening fast but it's on the QB to see that. Play had no chance when he let the ball go.
RE: You have no idea who the primary option is on the play  
rsjem1979 : 9/14/2021 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15366649 Eli Wilson said:
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Only the Giants know.

If the primary option was Golladay and Jones never looks at him, then bad on Jones.

If Rudolph is the primary option and Jones hits him, then Jones did what he should have.


That's not entirely true. The QB needs to see the coverage and decide which receiver is going to be the best option. Maybe that's the read Jones made at the line, but coming out the huddle he's shouldn't be thinking "okay when the ball is snapped I have to look at Rudolph first".

The idea is to have a successful play, simply completing the pass to the "primary option" doesn't make the play a success.
Very good post  
five5 : 9/14/2021 4:02 pm : link
I was a huge Jones fan after his rookie year but boy have things changed. I understand the Oline and lack of some skill guys have hurt his development That being said, there are too many plays where he is locked in on a receiver and not letting the play develop. He has no instincts and the play above is one of the many where Jones isn’t making the correct read. It’s going to be great when both the 2nd and 6th picks of their respective drafts don’t get a second contract. The scary thing is we haven’t reached rock bottom yet (thanks Jeff).
The play calling was atrocious that drive  
Metnut : 9/14/2021 4:04 pm : link
The whole point of the post calling was to avoid a turnover, not to actually dry and move the football and score points. The conservative playing scared mentality has been the worst part of the brief Judge/Garrett tenure here.
RE: YOu use a still image to try  
bcinsd : 9/14/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15366601 jvm52106 said:
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and provide proof of point. Ok, let's look deeper at the problem:

I see four Giants receivers running routes that stop or cut all at about 4 yards from the LOS. Who the fuck draws that up?

That is a staple of Garrett's offense, too many players running about the same distance from the LOS and roughly all horizontally in line with each other. It is without a doubt one of the biggest flaws we have and makes for turnover central.

Jones does his best work with receivers moving away from him, not stopping and coming back to him or just sitting down.. Garrett's scheme is flawed and works against the talent we have brought on board.


I don't disagree with you. Personally not a fan of JG. In a similar situation, I see a lot of other teams quickly target the tight end running up the seam shielding the defender from the ball and let his momentum and power carry him to the first down. Instead we send two receivers laterally and one runs 3 yards and stops. In these kind of situations, even short passes are reasonable if the player's momentum at the time of the catch is headed in the right direction. Making him change directions after catching the ball gives the defenders more time to close space.

Nevertheless, what strikes me is that DJ must realize that Rudolph has no chance to make first down but stays with him anyway. That is not going to cut it for a 3rd year QB in today's offense happy NFL. I done with DJ. Too many flaws that he can't seem to correct.
Are people really  
Everyone Relax : 9/14/2021 4:06 pm : link
trying to diagnose this play based on a screenshot? I can at least respect the opinion of someone looking at the all-22 video because there's context.
RE: RE: YOu use a still image to try  
rsjem1979 : 9/14/2021 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15366668 bcinsd said:
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Nevertheless, what strikes me is that DJ must realize that Rudolph has no chance to make first down but stays with him anyway. That is not going to cut it for a 3rd year QB in today's offense happy NFL. I done with DJ. Too many flaws that he can't seem to correct.


To me, this is the problem. Rudolph is an easy completion there, but that play has no chance of getting a first down and Jones never looked anywhere else.

And if Jones either doesn't trust himself or can't be trusted to throw the ball to the sticks in that part of the field, what are we even doing here?
hold on  
GiantsFan84 : 9/14/2021 4:11 pm : link
you mean daniel jones locked onto his receiver (and the wrong one) the entire play rather than seeing the field and reading the defense?

and you mean his "football smarts" had him lock in pre-snap on a guy running a 3 yard pattern on 3rd and 9?

that can't be true. this is daniel jones we're talking about!
Just rewatched the play  
cosmicj : 9/14/2021 4:22 pm : link
Both sides are right. Two Denver DBs were moving up towards the first down line where Golladay was running.

BUT Golladay still had a better chance to make the first down than Rudolph.

I actually don't like the play design at all. Slayton is basically wasted on the play. His presence achieves nothing.
RE: Just rewatched the play  
BleedBlue : 9/14/2021 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15366696 cosmicj said:
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Both sides are right. Two Denver DBs were moving up towards the first down line where Golladay was running.

BUT Golladay still had a better chance to make the first down than Rudolph.

I actually don't like the play design at all. Slayton is basically wasted on the play. His presence achieves nothing.


yea awful play design. not a shock at all. garrett sucks.
RE: Just rewatched the play  
shyster : 9/14/2021 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15366696 cosmicj said:
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I actually don't like the play design at all. Slayton is basically wasted on the play. His presence achieves nothing.


It's supposed to be rub play. But the DBs defeat it by switching instead of chasing.

The inside guy takes Slayton as he cuts in, instead of chasing Rudolph as he swings out, and the outside DB just waits for Rudolph to come to him.

It's on Jones to see that rather than mechanically throw the ball as if the design had worked as intended.
RE: RE: Just rewatched the play  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15366758 shyster said:
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I actually don't like the play design at all. Slayton is basically wasted on the play. His presence achieves nothing.



It's supposed to be rub play. But the DBs defeat it by switching instead of chasing.

The inside guy takes Slayton as he cuts in, instead of chasing Rudolph as he swings out, and the outside DB just waits for Rudolph to come to him.

It's on Jones to see that rather than mechanically throw the ball as if the design had worked as intended.


So you feel a post-snap awareness issue. At least on that play?
RE: RE: RE: Just rewatched the play  
shyster : 9/14/2021 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15366766 Jimmy Googs said:
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So you feel a post-snap awareness issue. At least on that play?


Yes, he had made up his mind where he was going for the ball, instead of giving himself a moment to see what the DBs were doing.

For anyone who saw D Smith's first TD for Philly vs Atlanta, that's the way the rub play is supposed to work.
Jesus Christ  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/14/2021 5:28 pm : link
He threw the ball to his tight end and his TE didn't make a play. Couldn't beat one DB. Speaking of DBs if he turns and throws it to KG he hangs him out to dry. But yeah...I guess it's difficult bro tell considering you can't see all the DBs in a still photo
RE: Jesus Christ  
rsjem1979 : 9/14/2021 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15366774 Thunderstruck27 said:
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He threw the ball to his tight end and his TE didn't make a play. Couldn't beat one DB. Speaking of DBs if he turns and throws it to KG he hangs him out to dry. But yeah...I guess it's difficult bro tell considering you can't see all the DBs in a still photo


What play would you like the tight end to make there, hemmed in by the sideline with 2 DBs right there and another approaching?

If you only saw one DB there, get your eyes checked.
RE: RE: Jesus Christ  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/14/2021 6:13 pm : link
In comment 15366815 rsjem1979 said:
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He threw the ball to his tight end and his TE didn't make a play. Couldn't beat one DB. Speaking of DBs if he turns and throws it to KG he hangs him out to dry. But yeah...I guess it's difficult bro tell considering you can't see all the DBs in a still photo



What play would you like the tight end to make there, hemmed in by the sideline with 2 DBs right there and another approaching?

If you only saw one DB there, get your eyes checked.


What do you think Slaytons responsibility is there?
I expected  
Joe Beckwith : 9/14/2021 6:50 pm : link
the delayed draw.
Slayton is a blocker  
Giants73 : 9/14/2021 6:51 pm : link
Looks like an out to Rudolph and slayton is squaring up to block. Still frame is deceiving, players are reacting already and it appears Jones is already in his motion.
Without context  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 9/14/2021 7:23 pm : link
This means next to nothing. I don't even particularly like Jones. I don't think he's the answer QB, but this screenshot doesn't tell us anything at all. We have no idea what the actual assignments are, what the QB's progression is, or how that is supposed to change based on pre and post-snap reads. There's so much shit we just don't have a clue about. Hopefully, the coaches do.

I also find the assertion that Golladay is so much more wide open than than Rudolph and sheer momentum will automatically generate a 1st down to be laughable. Rudolph has about 6 yards of space, Golladay about the same though maybe 7. They've both got DBs already moving into position to make a play. We can't even tell where Golladay is in his break or what the final vector of his route is from this screenshot. He could be hitting a slant or flattening out at the 10. True, working towards the middle rather than the sideline gives him more room to work, but that S is still just waiting to close in, most likely before Golladay gets the 1st.

This play and drive sucked, no doubt about it. But we jerkoffs at home have no idea whose fault it is and attempting to assign blame based on a single screenshot is fruitless. DJ could be getting reamed for the exact reasons you state, or he could be getting praised for doing everything the coaching staff is telling him to do on this play. We'll never know.
If Mitch Trubisky or Blake Bortles  
arniefez : 9/14/2021 8:52 pm : link
was picked 6th in the NFL draft by the Giants in 2019 the same people defending Daniel Jones would be defending them. That's who Jones is. Another top 10 bust QB that makes people wonder what the hell the people who picked him were thinking.

He lacks the skill set to be a top QB in the NFL. Being a nice guy, a hard worker and liked by his teammates is meaningless if you can't throw on the run, can't read the defense pre and post snap, can't set the protections, feel the rush or move in the pocket to find throwing lanes and space, can't look off safeties and LB's and lack an elite throwing arm. There's a reason no one in the NFL or the media that covers the NFL thought the Giants made a good choice on this player that early in the draft.

He has somewhere between 1 and 16 games left to prove everyone wrong or he's gone, the guy who picked him is gone and some if not all of the coaching staff will be gone too. Top 10 QB busts get people fired.
I went into this season fully supporting giving Jones a third year  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 9:32 pm : link
to determine if he could show he was “the guy”. Not because I felt he earned it or because he likely was more than not. No, it was simply because in my view the Giants were clearly better off in the long run if they were able to add some other assets onto the roster and not keep chasing QBs under this flawed GM. And if he also happened to be the guy then we would have the other assets and Jones.

What I don’t know now though is where the hell all the other posters are that supported Daniel Jones in this third year. They have simply disappeared...some from talking about Jones or others just blaming Garret and even Judge now, and even others have just disappeared altogether.

Where are you guys?
An atom can be in two places at the same time  
Grizz99 : 9/14/2021 9:49 pm : link
(They've even taken pictures of it. An atin can go from one place to another without ever being between those places.An atom can randomly tunnel through matter and come out the other side. Photons can improbably change they're very nature just by being observed.
They can arbitrarily observe matter at point B and by observing change the intrinsic nature of that matter from wave to particle. Then they can go back to point A (before point B) where's there's a recorder and the object is always what it turns into.
I'd go on, but I'd increasingly sound like you guys, flapping your gums and telling the world that you can tell more from an incomplete photo than the full time experts can from hours of game film, brilliant assistants and an limited databaze. "If only they'd listen to me
Moglwi on the Banderlog, "they say they are the smartest people in the jungle, and it must be so, because they all say it".
It feels like one of the few regulars that is still talking and  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 10:16 pm : link
supportive of DJ is Zeke’s Alibi. And even he has gone a bit stir crazy with bias throwing a bunch of other other NFL QBs under the bus for their less than perfect play play. But at least he is out there standing by his vocal summer opinion.

Anybody else still there for DJ...anybody?

Who has jumped off  
crick n NC : 9/14/2021 10:24 pm : link
The Daniel Jones bandwagon? It's been one game.
They all seem too quiet. Not that they need to be boasting  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 10:28 pm : link
but there is nothing. Just a bunch of guys that think that Dak, Jackson, Allen and Mayfield all losing is hilarious.

But nothing on our QB...
Well  
crick n NC : 9/14/2021 10:34 pm : link
I am guessing if they were to talk about Jones' issues in the first game they would be accused of abandoning Jones, if they share opinions that perhaps Jones played better than he looked they would get hollered at for being defenders.
RE: They all seem too quiet. Not that they need to be boasting  
PatersonPlank : 9/14/2021 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15367024 Jimmy Googs said:
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but there is nothing. Just a bunch of guys that think that Dak, Jackson, Allen and Mayfield all losing is hilarious.

But nothing on our QB...


No, its just that unlike you we don't like repeating ourselves over and over and over again, on thread after thread.
RE: RE: They all seem too quiet. Not that they need to be boasting  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 10:40 pm : link
In comment 15367028 PatersonPlank said:
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but there is nothing. Just a bunch of guys that think that Dak, Jackson, Allen and Mayfield all losing is hilarious.

But nothing on our QB...



No, its just that unlike you we don't like repeating ourselves over and over and over again, on thread after thread.


I got to give Plank some credit. I think I have actually seen him with a fair amount of posting supporting DJ, just like Zeke.

And I will look into that whole repeating myself too...just for you!
RE: Well  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 10:46 pm : link
In comment 15367027 crick n NC said:
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I am guessing if they were to talk about Jones' issues in the first game they would be accused of abandoning Jones, if they share opinions that perhaps Jones played better than he looked they would get hollered at for being defenders.


But if that is their true objective opinions, then so be it...where are they?

I am not talking about the boring posters that sit on the fence. I am talking about the vocal regulars that will argue until the cows come home about anything and everything NY Giants. The ones that holler and are fine getting hollered at.

Crickets...
Don't you fuss  
crick n NC : 9/14/2021 10:50 pm : link
At people for keeping score of opinions on here?
RE: RE: Well  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/14/2021 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15367033 Jimmy Googs said:
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I am guessing if they were to talk about Jones' issues in the first game they would be accused of abandoning Jones, if they share opinions that perhaps Jones played better than he looked they would get hollered at for being defenders.



But if that is their true objective opinions, then so be it...where are they?

I am not talking about the boring posters that sit on the fence. I am talking about the vocal regulars that will argue until the cows come home about anything and everything NY Giants. The ones that holler and are fine getting hollered at.

Crickets...


I think you called it before when you said that people are talking about other things like how Garrett needs to find a way for guys like Saquon and Jones to shine. We have seen them both produce before he got here.
RE: Don't you fuss  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 10:55 pm : link
In comment 15367036 crick n NC said:
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At people for keeping score of opinions on here?


What are you babbling about? I am asking where the DJ supporters are on the site, not keeping score of anything. It’s been one game for Pete’s sake...nothing has been decided.

RE: RE: Don't you fuss  
crick n NC : 9/14/2021 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15367043 Jimmy Googs said:
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At people for keeping score of opinions on here?



What are you babbling about? I am asking where the DJ supporters are on the site, not keeping score of anything. It’s been one game for Pete’s sake...nothing has been decided.


Lol. You are literally calling them out.
And I actually approve of those giving an opinion  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 10:58 pm : link
even if it’s different than mine. Posting and not offering up an opinion is about as interesting as a fence post...
RE: And I actually approve of those giving an opinion  
crick n NC : 9/14/2021 10:59 pm : link
In comment 15367047 Jimmy Googs said:
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even if it’s different than mine. Posting and not offering up an opinion is about as interesting as a fence post...


And what have I not opined about that does not meet your standards?
Calling out posters  
crick n NC : 9/14/2021 11:00 pm : link
Is exactly keeping score. You call others out for doing it, yet here you are.
Calling for them to come out  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 11:00 pm : link
Not call out.

DJ is going to put up some good games and he owns the WFT as well so it could be Thur. Why is that not being discussed...
RE: RE: RE: Well  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 11:07 pm : link
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I am guessing if they were to talk about Jones' issues in the first game they would be accused of abandoning Jones, if they share opinions that perhaps Jones played better than he looked they would get hollered at for being defenders.



But if that is their true objective opinions, then so be it...where are they?

I am not talking about the boring posters that sit on the fence. I am talking about the vocal regulars that will argue until the cows come home about anything and everything NY Giants. The ones that holler and are fine getting hollered at.

Crickets...



I think you called it before when you said that people are talking about other things like how Garrett needs to find a way for guys like Saquon and Jones to shine. We have seen them both produce before he got here.


Maybe some guys who have transitioned to bitching about Garrett moreso now. But still plenty of DJ supporters that seemed to have...moved on?

Maybe they come alive on Thurs night.
Dunno...maybe they have jobs  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/14/2021 11:11 pm : link
The entire team stunk it up. Just because some weirdos insist on blaming Jones for the loss doesn't mean everyone rooting for him has to post all day.
Wouldn’t think that’s it.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 11:16 pm : link
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I commented on this on another thread...  
BillKo : 9/14/2021 11:34 pm : link
..where Eric talked about the Giants being indeed aggressive versus Denver.

The second down play (or 1st down play) should have been the aggressive play to get out of a hole. You need to play to win, not play to not lose.

Instead, they played it safe and even though Denver needed a 4th down conversion at mid field, they got it and made the Giants pay for giving the ball back before the half.

To me, this was the turning point of the game.


you don't need still shots  
djm : 9/15/2021 11:28 am : link
or replays or any other insight to know that Jones doesn't see the whole field on a consistent basis. You know how I know this? By watching the team struggle to score points and move the ball.

Maybe he improves this season. One game down, 16 to go...
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