And Gettleman is promptly fired, do you think Mara let’s Judge hire the GM. Someone Judge knows and trust, or do you rebuild completely with a new GM new Head Coach combination. I say this because a lot of Head coaches have chosen their GMs. Shannahan chose John Lynch. Pete Carroll chose John Schneider and etc. It’s a big trend among successful coaches.
He fired Reese midseason, and Gettleman is way less accomplished.
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He fired Reese midseason, and Gettleman is way less accomplished.
That is true, but I think that was more about how Reese/McAdoo handled the Eli benching (and how John Mara tried to clean his fingerprints off the crime scene). Otherwise, I think they would have waited on firing both of them.
If it’s mainly the OL or DJ, then these are squarely on Gettleman.
If it’s the team overall on both sides of the ball, then JJs honeymoon is over, though he’s probably not going anywhere for at least another year.
Regardless though, this is probably DGs last year and the record determines his legacy. Jones and Garrett however are the ones with the most to gain ... or lose.
YET. No doubt in my mind he will be though
If they get the doors blown off them by Tyler Heninke...100 percent agree with you.
That didn't seem to take long.
1st game was on the coaches...
The team has issues.....but talent wise is pretty close to other teams.
My fiancé has friends in Holly Springs. Small world.
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YET. No doubt in my mind he will be though
No doubt? None? 6-11 career record. No doubts? The bar around NY Giants football gets lower by the day!
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In comment 15365261 M.S. said:
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Quick question: if Gettleman is retired/fired at end of season, should his replacement be given the power to jettison Joe Judge and his coaching staff if he so desires?
I strongly believe every Head Coach should get a minimum of 3 full seasons. Throw in Judge's first season was a pandemic-year AND this team has gotten better under his leadership...no, he should not be replaced if a new GM comes in.
The best GM candidate should be hired regardless of philosophical alignment with Judge. If Judge isn't replaced this year (assuming a bad year and DG is replaced), one more bad year (with a rookie QB), and Judge is gone too. Trying to keep the band together, and staying inside the organization, is why we're where we are.
get your lipstick ready...
So you think they DONT scout all of the prospects? You believe they only scout for need? Really?
Divert the scouts from scouting?
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YET. No doubt in my mind he will be though
sometimes I wish I could be this type of fan. Must be nice just being blindly optimistic all the time.
It’s clear Judge & Graham are close, but is this really Judge’s offense?
I never understood either the HC and GM being on the same level reporting to the owner or the HC reporting to the GM.
I never understood either the HC and GM being on the same level reporting to the owner or the HC reporting to the GM.
Excellent post. The Head Coach should be the CEO of the team. I think Judge has the personality and temperament to be a successful CEO.
I never understood either the HC and GM being on the same level reporting to the owner or the HC reporting to the GM.
Agreed 100%. I wonder with Judge though, is it more challenging since he doesn’t “run” the offense? Meaning, any good young OC who may eventually come in will just leave for a head gig eventually. That’s the challenge with having a HC who doesn’t specialize in either side of the ball. The Niners never have to worry about the offense with Shanahan.
Agree. Judge is hear to stay most likely, and I’d like his influence on the next QB.
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Gettleman is fired or retires and Judge is retained I think Mara will control the recruitment process but will have the final prospects meet with Judge to ensure they are philosophically aligned. Mara sees Judge as a Mini Belichick/Saban but Mara is very much about the traditional division of powers.
The best GM candidate should be hired regardless of philosophical alignment with Judge. If Judge isn't replaced this year (assuming a bad year and DG is replaced), one more bad year (with a rookie QB), and Judge is gone too. Trying to keep the band together, and staying inside the organization, is why we're where we are.
But, assuming they would keep him in this scenario, wouldn't the best GM candidate have some philosophical alignment with Judge?
Mara probably loves his wife, but he's not letting her pick the next GM, either.
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I don't see us paying dead money with Judge only having 2 yrs under his belt unless he makes a public disgrace of himself.
Agree. Judge is hear to stay most likely, and I’d like his influence on the next QB.
If I had to guess, Judge would probably bring in a special teams ace to play QB
I would like to see thr Giants give the keys to Judge and get a GM that will work with him to build this team in his vision..
The problem with that is it will be hard to sell to the fans kf the Giants have a 4-13 year..
Jusge does have to start winning
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In comment 15366753 Les in TO said:
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Gettleman is fired or retires and Judge is retained I think Mara will control the recruitment process but will have the final prospects meet with Judge to ensure they are philosophically aligned. Mara sees Judge as a Mini Belichick/Saban but Mara is very much about the traditional division of powers.
The best GM candidate should be hired regardless of philosophical alignment with Judge. If Judge isn't replaced this year (assuming a bad year and DG is replaced), one more bad year (with a rookie QB), and Judge is gone too. Trying to keep the band together, and staying inside the organization, is why we're where we are.
But, assuming they would keep him in this scenario, wouldn't the best GM candidate have some philosophical alignment with Judge?
You'd hope so. But do you essentially see Mara giving Judge veto power over the next GM?
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He fired Reese midseason, and Gettleman is way less accomplished.
That is true, but I think that was more about how Reese/McAdoo handled the Eli benching (and how John Mara tried to clean his fingerprints off the crime scene). Otherwise, I think they would have waited on firing both of them.
My sense was that Giant fans were going to go nuts at the home game following the Oakland trip and Mara was desperate to avoid the public relations nightmare that was set to occur.
I am more than certain that that is why he fired both Reese and McAdoo mid-season.
Front office and coaching staff
Hires the best GM out there who then selects his coach and staff
The only question mark with new coach is what to do with DJ and draft
If the season implodes, I want everyone gone including Judge. First, though, would be getting rid of DG and Jones.