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Giants Smoke WFT, Right?

christian : 9/14/2021 10:50 pm
It’s no great referendum on the season or Giants when they do, but there’s no chance on a short week, with a guy with 1 career start, 92 career attempts, who went to Old Dominion, at QB the Giants don’t destroy WFT.

This is as much of a lock as any game on the calendar for any team before January.
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Right,  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/14/2021 10:53 pm : link
Like we needed that jinx
RE: Right,  
christian : 9/14/2021 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15367041 Thunderstruck27 said:
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Like we needed that jinx


No jinx. This is exactly what the football doctors ordered.
Division game on the road?  
trueblueinpw : 9/14/2021 10:58 pm : link
This team? Maybe. But probably not.
 
christian : 9/14/2021 11:04 pm : link
The Giants should loan them Glennon.

I’d don’t think WFT scores honestly. This is a perfect reset game.
Yeah, they are going to put up a good game here. No surprises  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 11:04 pm : link
with the divisional foe. Playing another WFT backup who will make some plays but will also be giving them up for our Defense as well.

If Jones has confidence against anyone, it’s surely Washington. He has had some nice outings versus them in first two years. Saquon too.

Feel good about yourself type of game...
I'm trying to decipher whether this is sarcastic or not  
santacruzom : 9/14/2021 11:07 pm : link
I've seen your reasonable and realtiy-based posts and debates with aggressive optimists, so it's hard for me to believe you see this game as a literal lock.
Not impossible but  
GiantSteps : 9/14/2021 11:09 pm : link
If the WFT d-line plays against our o-line like they did against LAC, our line doesn’t give Jones enough time to get the ball anywhere. Add Garrett’s abysmal run calls, and I think it’s a very tough day for the Giants offense.

If our defense shoes up looking like they did vs Denver, I’m not sure we could beat ATL, let alone WFT. Although I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for one more game.

The quick Thursday night turnaround will either be a killer nail in the coffin or the perfect shot of adrenaline. Week two (but really Week 1.5). Crazy.
RE: I'm trying to decipher whether this is sarcastic or not  
christian : 9/14/2021 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15367055 santacruzom said:
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I've seen your reasonable and realtiy-based posts and debates with aggressive optimists, so it's hard for me to believe you see this game as a literal lock.


I certainly believe the Giants are pretty bad, but there is no way a team starting a guy with this in his bio: In addition, he was a reserve quarterback for the St. Louis BattleHawks of the XFL during its lone season in 2020. — wins a division game on a four day week.
How is this sarcastic? Do you all not see that even this NYG team  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 11:11 pm : link
has had a lot of success against Washington. Jones has put up solid numbers versus them as well. I know the names change each year, but he has to have as much confidence versus them than any other team.

Right?
Kurt Kittner  
crick n NC : 9/14/2021 11:12 pm : link
Wasn't that long ago
Giants deserve 100% no benefit of doubt  
hassan : 9/14/2021 11:13 pm : link
They own WFT but they are overdue to lose and they are still a 4.5 dog on the road.
RE: Not impossible but  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 11:14 pm : link
In comment 15367057 GiantSteps said:
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If the WFT d-line plays against our o-line like they did against LAC, our line doesn’t give Jones enough time to get the ball anywhere. Add Garrett’s abysmal run calls, and I think it’s a very tough day for the Giants offense.

If our defense shoes up looking like they did vs Denver, I’m not sure we could beat ATL, let alone WFT. Although I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for one more game.

The quick Thursday night turnaround will either be a killer nail in the coffin or the perfect shot of adrenaline. Week two (but really Week 1.5). Crazy.


What? Herbert had a few bumps and the refs helped out WFT plenty, but he still had his way with their LBs and secondary when he needed to.

And Herbert is only a second year guy, while Jones is in his third and played them more frequently...
This game will be out of reach in the fourth quarter…  
Brown_Hornet : 9/14/2021 11:14 pm : link
…Which will be the biggest thing that is unlike the Giants.

They have been really bad at putting things away.
Don’t get it twisted I don’t believe that today’s woes are related in anyway to five years ago.
But they have struggled consistently forever… add truly putting things away.

Giants 35 football team 17
RE: RE: I'm trying to decipher whether this is sarcastic or not  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/14/2021 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15367058 christian said:
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I've seen your reasonable and realtiy-based posts and debates with aggressive optimists, so it's hard for me to believe you see this game as a literal lock.



I certainly believe the Giants are pretty bad, but there is no way a team starting a guy with this in his bio: In addition, he was a reserve quarterback for the St. Louis BattleHawks of the XFL during its lone season in 2020. — wins a division game on a four day week.


Dude looked decent last week and surprisingly good in the playoff game last year. Hopefully we keep beating backups. I know it used to be this teams kryptonite
RE: RE: RE: I'm trying to decipher whether this is sarcastic or not  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 11:21 pm : link
In comment 15367066 Thunderstruck27 said:
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In comment 15367055 santacruzom said:


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I've seen your reasonable and realtiy-based posts and debates with aggressive optimists, so it's hard for me to believe you see this game as a literal lock.



I certainly believe the Giants are pretty bad, but there is no way a team starting a guy with this in his bio: In addition, he was a reserve quarterback for the St. Louis BattleHawks of the XFL during its lone season in 2020. — wins a division game on a four day week.



Dude looked decent last week and surprisingly good in the playoff game last year. Hopefully we keep beating backups. I know it used to be this teams kryptonite


Like 15 years ago. Come on, no one is even around from those days.

In fact, facing backup QBs have been our sweet spot during DGs reign. I think about 10 of the 15 wins have come against backups in the last 3 years!

Did you watch Heinecke in last years  
eric2425ny : 9/14/2021 11:21 pm : link
playoffs? Guy doesn’t quit and I thought he had a good chance of being their starter. I need to see the Giants win some games before I am acting cocky about any game they have coming up. They have been one of the worst offenses in the NFL for years now.
RE: RE: Not impossible but  
GMen72 : 9/14/2021 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15367064 Jimmy Googs said:
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If the WFT d-line plays against our o-line like they did against LAC, our line doesn’t give Jones enough time to get the ball anywhere. Add Garrett’s abysmal run calls, and I think it’s a very tough day for the Giants offense.

If our defense shoes up looking like they did vs Denver, I’m not sure we could beat ATL, let alone WFT. Although I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for one more game.

The quick Thursday night turnaround will either be a killer nail in the coffin or the perfect shot of adrenaline. Week two (but really Week 1.5). Crazy.



What? Herbert had a few bumps and the refs helped out WFT plenty, but he still had his way with their LBs and secondary when he needed to.

And Herbert is only a second year guy, while Jones is in his third and played them more frequently...


Herbert has more talent in his pinky than DJ will ever have.

I had this as a loss before the season started, but with a XFL QB on 4 day prep, the Giants win a low scoring affair.

If the Giants lose this game, they only have 2 winnable games (ATL and CAR) through the next 6...likely a 2-6 start, at best. The fanbase/media will be calling for heads to roll.

It's only week 2...but this is a must win game!
There is no way it is a must win game.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2021 11:30 pm : link
I would agree it’s a must gain some confidence type of game, whether that’s on offense, defense or both.

But plenty of twists and turns to come this year, especially in a division like the NFCE. One game down in the division in Sept can be overcome...
It’s like this  
mattlawson : 9/14/2021 11:32 pm : link
You either smoke, or you get smoked.
AND YOU GOT SMOKED!
RE: Did you watch Heinecke in last years  
allstarjim : 9/14/2021 11:34 pm : link
In comment 15367070 eric2425ny said:
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playoffs? Guy doesn’t quit and I thought he had a good chance of being their starter. I need to see the Giants win some games before I am acting cocky about any game they have coming up. They have been one of the worst offenses in the NFL for years now.


He's a gamer. Whichever team establishes the run will win.
RE: RE: I'm trying to decipher whether this is sarcastic or not  
FStubbs : 9/14/2021 11:35 pm : link
In comment 15367058 christian said:
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In comment 15367055 santacruzom said:


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I've seen your reasonable and realtiy-based posts and debates with aggressive optimists, so it's hard for me to believe you see this game as a literal lock.



I certainly believe the Giants are pretty bad, but there is no way a team starting a guy with this in his bio: In addition, he was a reserve quarterback for the St. Louis BattleHawks of the XFL during its lone season in 2020. — wins a division game on a four day week.


If he was capable of giving Tampa Bay a game, he's capable of beating the Giants. Any offense could've moved the ball at will on our horrible defense Sunday.
Have the Giants blown out anyone in the last 5 years??  
ron mexico : 9/14/2021 11:36 pm : link
The few wins they have gotten have been pretty well contested.

They might win, but they are not "Smoking" them
I don't think so.  
BH28 : 9/14/2021 11:57 pm : link
This team barely beat a Kyle Allen led WFT in the first meeting last year and then held off the Alex Smith led WFT in the fourth quarter.

I think WFT has shown that they can basically plug any pile of crap into their offense and it will produce about 20 points/game. Where they are probably screwed is coming from behind big.

As long as WFT D can keep them in the game they have chance. The only hope I have of a blowout is if they re-sign Haskins and he repeats his 3 INT game from 2019.
If we are going back to 2019  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/14/2021 11:59 pm : link
Can we get:

Barkley 189 yards and a TD
and
Jones 352 yard and 5 TDs
Giants history against second string qb’s is notoriously bad. Don’t  
plato : 9/15/2021 12:24 am : link
know why but when going into a game with a backup mediocre at best qb, the giants manage to make him look like a HOF’er and manage to easily lose. So I would not be too,confident here at all. In fact I would be worried, very worried.
 
christian : 9/15/2021 12:32 am : link
Forget the hocus pocus stuff. What happened in the past has no effect on Thursday.

WFT has three days to prep with a backup QB, who has barely played in the NFL.

He had an improbably competent playoff performance, and then couldn’t beat out Fitzgerald for a starting gig.

This is the type of guy you feast on after a short week.


RE: …  
BH28 : 9/15/2021 12:50 am : link
In comment 15367100 christian said:
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Forget the hocus pocus stuff. What happened in the past has no effect on Thursday.

WFT has three days to prep with a backup QB, who has barely played in the NFL.

He had an improbably competent playoff performance, and then couldn’t beat out Fitzgerald for a starting gig.

This is the type of guy you feast on after a short week.



More importantly, how is our O going to do vs their D? Their front 7 is going to be a challenge for our line, so how does Garrett game plan for that? More BS end arounds to Toney?

My hope is they start getting the ball to guys in space.
 
christian : 9/15/2021 12:59 am : link
This is a matter of Daniel Jones vs. WFT or Taylor Heinicke vs. NY.

I’m about as bearish on this team as anyone on BBI, but this should be a pretty easy win.
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broadbandz : 9/15/2021 1:56 am : link
In comment 15367103 christian said:
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This is a matter of Daniel Jones vs. WFT or Taylor Heinicke vs. NY.

I’m about as bearish on this team as anyone on BBI, but this should be a pretty easy win.

lol dude the redskins are probably better than Denver on paper.
 
christian : 9/15/2021 3:05 am : link
WFT put up 260 yards, 16 points, and was 3/10 on third down.

This is a get right game for the Giants defense.
Washington 17  
M.S. : 9/15/2021 5:10 am : link

Giants 7
RE: …  
broadbandz : 9/15/2021 5:11 am : link
In comment 15367112 christian said:
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WFT put up 260 yards, 16 points, and was 3/10 on third down.

This is a get right game for the Giants defense.


the giants are the get right game for every team in the nfl
I feel  
Les in TO : 9/15/2021 5:19 am : link
Like it will be a close first half and the Giants pull away in the second half as the D takes over. Something like a 20-10 win after a 10-10 first half.
I’d love it to happen  
Giant John : 9/15/2021 5:52 am : link
But after the disaster that was last week I’m not counting on anything.
RE: …  
Sean : 9/15/2021 6:43 am : link
In comment 15367103 christian said:
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This is a matter of Daniel Jones vs. WFT or Taylor Heinicke vs. NY.

I’m about as bearish on this team as anyone on BBI, but this should be a pretty easy win.

You’re confident the OL will hold up against that defensive front?
I read somewhere  
Beer Man : 9/15/2021 7:19 am : link
the Giants are 4.5 point underdogs.

The Giants O, currently doesn't scare anyone, and the WFT has a good D.
I can't believe we keep reading this sh#t.  
mittenedman : 9/15/2021 7:20 am : link
The Giants aren't going to smoke anyone. They stink. And yet here we go, falling into this BS again?

No, the Giants aren't going to go down to Washington and smoke the team. They will be lucky to win by 1 point. WFT is at least as good as the Giants, and probably better.

That's the narrative until something changes. Give me an effing break with the "we're gonna smoke somebody" nonsense. The feel good crap with this team is officially over, there is nowhere to hide.
Giants did smoke Washington at FedEx  
hassan : 9/15/2021 7:26 am : link
In 18 40-16. Beat up Mark Sanchez I believe. And we forget because that team was 5-11 and stunk.

But while Jones looked decent there in 19 with 5td, Garrett’s offense is so poor I cannot expect the same, this scheme grounds the offense into a bottom unit.
I can see the defense being super agressive  
nygiants16 : 9/15/2021 7:32 am : link
Bradberry made mention that Henecki will take chances and there will be oppurtunity for turnovers..i could see the gameplan being make him beat them, playing more man and being agressive blitzing..

Offensively i hope they add some read options to slow down the pass rush a little bit, the oline played pretty well against a good front in denver passing wise, hopefully that continues, cant let Chase Young get a strip sack that changes momentum
A lot of fans had predicted somewhere around 7 to 9 wins  
NYGgolfer : 9/15/2021 7:33 am : link
this year. Where are they coming from if this isn't one of them?

Giants will need to make a few plays on Offense but the D should be able to handle Heiny to the tune of a few ints.

A close win, but a win.
RE: Did you watch Heinecke in last years  
bw in dc : 9/15/2021 7:43 am : link
In comment 15367070 eric2425ny said:
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playoffs? Guy doesn’t quit and I thought he had a good chance of being their starter. I need to see the Giants win some games before I am acting cocky about any game they have coming up. They have been one of the worst offenses in the NFL for years now.


This for sure.

Heinicke has skills. He's very mobile and can make plays off script. In that playoff game against Tampa last year, he threw for 300+ and rushed for 50. The Tampa D.

I'm completely the other way on this. I liked our chances much better against FitzTragic. Heinicke is a wild card in this game...
RE: A lot of fans had predicted somewhere around 7 to 9 wins  
crick n NC : 9/15/2021 7:46 am : link
In comment 15367134 NYGgolfer said:
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this year. Where are they coming from if this isn't one of them?

Giants will need to make a few plays on Offense but the D should be able to handle Heiny to the tune of a few ints.

A close win, but a win.


Those fans have seemingly disappeare; similar to the Daniel Jones supporters. Where are they?
2003 Doug Johnson  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 9/15/2021 7:48 am : link
Youthful optimism… the Giants will wring this out of you.
Wrong  
Dave in PA : 9/15/2021 7:54 am : link
This team is exactly what they’ve shown to be until they decide to show otherwise. This club isn’t capable of “smoking” anybody. They’ll be lucky to scratch out a low scoring win
This is the same guy that almost won a playoff game against TB with an  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/15/2021 8:03 am : link
unreal performance and played well against the Chargers right? Have you seen him play? I feel like this is a post just to knock the Giants pre emptively or it’s just ignorance based on not seeing the guy play.
WFT defense is still pretty good  
US1 Giants : 9/15/2021 8:16 am : link
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RE: If we are going back to 2019  
rsjem1979 : 9/15/2021 8:17 am : link
In comment 15367095 Thunderstruck27 said:
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Can we get:

Barkley 189 yards and a TD
and
Jones 352 yard and 5 TDs


I guess that depends on whether or not everyone on WFT's defense is out and they sign 3 DBs off the street to start the game like they did in 2019.
RE: RE: Right,  
NYG22 : 9/15/2021 8:20 am : link
In comment 15367045 christian said:
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In comment 15367041 Thunderstruck27 said:


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Like we needed that jinx



No jinx. This is exactly what the football doctors ordered.


Don't just read the back of his "football card". This kid is pretty good. He's mobile, competitive and has enough arm to get it done.
this is when we discover  
fkap : 9/15/2021 8:31 am : link
"like taking candy from a baby" is one of the dumbest sayings ever.


Puhleeze...fans of the Giants have no business being cocky.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 9/15/2021 8:34 am : link
In comment 15367112 christian said:
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WFT put up 260 yards, 16 points, and was 3/10 on third down.

This is a get right game for the Giants defense.


You say that like the Giants offense was much better, lol
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