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GBN Draft Report Initial Big Board Top 100 College Prospects

M.S. : 9/15/2021 7:41 am

September 13, 2021 9:34 PM

It is not inconceivable that the Giants could have two picks in the Top 10 which has Offensive Tackles Evan Neal (Alabama) and Kenyon Green (Texas A& M) sitting at #5 and #10 respectively.

In all, 42 colleges have at least one player on the Top 100 list with Alabama leading the way with 9 players. Seven teams have at least 4 players and collectively represent nearly one-half of the total:

Alabama 9
Georgia 8
Ohio State 8
Penn State 6
Oklahoma 5
Iowa State 4
Texas A& M 4

And here is the distribution of players by position. If Gettleman has not been retired/fired, count on more draft capital spent on CBs, which lead the list with 14 players:

CB 14
OT 13
WR 13
DE 9
OLB 9
QB 8
DT 7
S 6
ILB 5
OG 5
TE 5
C 3
RB 3

Lastly, just a wild hunch. After this season, we will be saying good-bye to several familiar faces and saying hello to several on the attached list.

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JFC...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2021 7:48 am : link
That list has so many things wrong with it, I don't know where to begin.

Here is one example - He has Matt Corral listed at 6'5", 226. Corral is barely 6'and 200.

I mean, if you can't get that right...
A bunch of years  
BigBlueJ : 9/15/2021 7:50 am : link
later still need the same thing:

Edge
OT
One of my very favorite players on this list  
M.S. : 9/15/2021 7:51 am : link

is the Liberty University QB, Malik Willis (an Auburn transfer) who is currently ranked #16. This guy is a dynamic threat with his arm and his legs, but I doubt the Giants would draft him. More likely Malik Willis ends up somewhere else where he will put WOW plays on tape week after week.
RE: One of my very favorite players on this list  
BigBlueJ : 9/15/2021 7:55 am : link
In comment 15367146 M.S. said:
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is the Liberty University QB, Malik Willis (an Auburn transfer) who is currently ranked #16. This guy is a dynamic threat with his arm and his legs, but I doubt the Giants would draft him. More likely Malik Willis ends up somewhere else where he will put WOW plays on tape week after week.


We are truly the milk toast of the NFL...
RE: One of my very favorite players on this list  
John in Loudoun : 9/15/2021 8:31 am : link
In comment 15367146 M.S. said:
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is the Liberty University QB, Malik Willis (an Auburn transfer) who is currently ranked #16. This guy is a dynamic threat with his arm and his legs, but I doubt the Giants would draft him. More likely Malik Willis ends up somewhere else where he will put WOW plays on tape week after week.


The kid's got an arm. Flick of the wrist and it's 50 yards downfield. He's not super quick but he's got enough wriggle to make guys miss and he's got some meat on his bones. I'm excited to see what he does against Ole Miss. I have a feeling he'll go top ten if continues to play this well.
Giants should be getting 6 of the top 100 or so players  
KDavies : 9/15/2021 8:40 am : link
with 2 1sts, 1 2nd, 2 3rds, and the Bears 4th
RE: Giants should be getting 6 of the top 100 or so players  
M.S. : 9/15/2021 8:43 am : link
In comment 15367176 KDavies said:
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with 2 1sts, 1 2nd, 2 3rds, and the Bears 4th

Perhaps a new regime will not squander all the precious draft capital of the past several years.
Can't believe on September 15th we are looking at top 100  
Rick in Dallas : 9/15/2021 8:44 am : link
college prospects for the 2022 draft. These knuckleheads will screw up this draft also. Do you trust our scouting department? Not me....
RE: Giants should be getting 6 of the top 100 or so players  
section125 : 9/15/2021 8:45 am : link
In comment 15367176 KDavies said:
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with 2 1sts, 1 2nd, 2 3rds, and the Bears 4th


But the Panthers cut the punter so we do not get their 7th?
So what do the draftniks here think of Neal?  
cosmicj : 9/15/2021 8:50 am : link
How does he compare to Wills and Jonah Williams?
M.S.  
Biteymax22 : 9/15/2021 8:58 am : link
In your scenario where we conceivably have two top ten picks I think the conversation is going to shift from which tackle to which QB our new GM is taking. I don't think Gettleman/Jones survive if the Giants pick is 10 or lower.

Best case scenario is we turn things around and the Bears stay bad long enough where we have a shot at Neal or a Thibodeaux.
RE: So what do the draftniks here think of Neal?  
Anakim : 9/15/2021 9:05 am : link
In comment 15367187 cosmicj said:
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How does he compare to Wills and Jonah Williams?


Wayyyy more athletic than either one, though Wills was no slouch. But Neal is a different kind of athlete.
Sounds like Neal should be a target.  
cosmicj : 9/15/2021 9:07 am : link
I was surprised the two top QBs were this high on the list.
How about the edge rushers?  
Angel Eyes : 9/15/2021 9:08 am : link
Wouldn't mind taking at least one of them.
for all the talk of a weak qb class  
JJ2525 : 9/15/2021 9:08 am : link
they rank 6 in the top 30.
RE: M.S.  
M.S. : 9/15/2021 9:11 am : link
In comment 15367194 Biteymax22 said:
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In your scenario where we conceivably have two top ten picks I think the conversation is going to shift from which tackle to which QB our new GM is taking. I don't think Gettleman/Jones survive if the Giants pick is 10 or lower.

Best case scenario is we turn things around and the Bears stay bad long enough where we have a shot at Neal or a Thibodeaux.

I'm with you 100%. If we have to turn to QB, I sure hope the guy from Liberty is part of the conversation. But my biggest Giants wish is your scenario in which we get a Top 10 pick from the Bears and the Giants own pick is way down in the latter part of Round One!
There are way too many QB's high on that list.  
barens : 9/15/2021 9:14 am : link
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RE: RE: One of my very favorite players on this list  
Blue21 : 9/15/2021 9:20 am : link
In comment 15367150 BigBlueJ said:
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In comment 15367146 M.S. said:


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is the Liberty University QB, Malik Willis (an Auburn transfer) who is currently ranked #16. This guy is a dynamic threat with his arm and his legs, but I doubt the Giants would draft him. More likely Malik Willis ends up somewhere else where he will put WOW plays on tape week after week.



We are truly the milk toast of the NFL...


And if the QB isn't milk toast when we draft him the Giants will make him that way.
regardless of of who is GM and coach  
Platos : 9/15/2021 9:34 am : link
next year, i think we should go BPA at OL or DE/OLB

unless a QB really sticks out
The way I see it today  
Harvest Blend : 9/15/2021 9:40 am : link
is that if the Giants pick is in the Top 5 they'll end up with the 1st overall pick and take the QB they want. Unless of course their own pick is #1.

Chicago's pick can't be any lower than 12 or so.
I'd wager it's way too early to talk QB  
JonC : 9/15/2021 9:46 am : link
and the prospects in 2022 don't pass the eyeball test yet for me.

Impact defender and OL badly needed.
...  
BleedBlue : 9/15/2021 9:48 am : link
we drafted an SEC edge at what 50 6 months ago. you wanna let him play some before delcaring we definitely need an edge? We drafted a LT a year and 6 months ago, you wanna give him this season before declaring we need a LT. you guys have ZERO patience and I get it, weve been losers for a while, but good god, this isnt built in a day. we have spent draft cpatial on those positions, we need to see if they can develop into players. shit happens. I for one expect us to need OL help and not edge help come 2022 draft. we will see
RE: ...  
KDavies : 9/15/2021 9:50 am : link
In comment 15367246 BleedBlue said:
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we drafted an SEC edge at what 50 6 months ago. you wanna let him play some before delcaring we definitely need an edge? We drafted a LT a year and 6 months ago, you wanna give him this season before declaring we need a LT. you guys have ZERO patience and I get it, weve been losers for a while, but good god, this isnt built in a day. we have spent draft cpatial on those positions, we need to see if they can develop into players. shit happens. I for one expect us to need OL help and not edge help come 2022 draft. we will see


Agree mostly, but one caveat. The Giants do need an OT even with Thomas being a good player, unless Peart somehow greatly improves.
Even if Ojulari is part of the future  
JonC : 9/15/2021 9:55 am : link
no reason to stop there, not when you run a 3-4 base and the other guys are invisible.
Not to nitpick too much,  
barens : 9/15/2021 9:58 am : link
but DT Jordon Davis #38? That guy has clearly made his presence known in the first 2 weeks.
RE: Even if Ojulari is part of the future  
Angel Eyes : 9/15/2021 9:58 am : link
In comment 15367253 JonC said:
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no reason to stop there, not when you run a 3-4 base and the other guys are invisible.

+1
I'd also list tight end in the needs category since  
Angel Eyes : 9/15/2021 9:59 am : link
Engram is not under contract after this year and Rudolph is in the last year of his contract in 2022 (and aging).
RE: Even if Ojulari is part of the future  
eric2425ny : 9/15/2021 10:53 am : link
In comment 15367253 JonC said:
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no reason to stop there, not when you run a 3-4 base and the other guys are invisible.


Agreed. My concern is if this season spirals and they clean house watch them hire a 4-3 guy and we’re back to square one on the defensive line. Hopefully it doesn’t go down that way.
George Karlaftis...  
bw in dc : 9/15/2021 11:04 am : link
is getting very, very interesting as a pass rusher.

TJ Watt-ish...
RE: RE: Even if Ojulari is part of the future  
BleedBlue : 9/15/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15367258 Angel Eyes said:
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In comment 15367253 JonC said:


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no reason to stop there, not when you run a 3-4 base and the other guys are invisible.


+1


Jon, I 100% agree but people here making it sound like you and I are gonna line up at edge this weekend. It may not be as HUGE a need as some are describing.

I also agree with the OT comment that even if thomas works out, we may need a RT. This is also possible but againm I think my comment was moreso for those who are acting like we have a couple of garbage cans at edge and OT when we really have young kids and dont know what they can be.
Bleed  
JonC : 9/15/2021 12:35 pm : link
I get it. But, they've got to get more talented, especially at the premium positions. Creating competition will push the prospects already in house as well.

If they have an opportunity next April, for example, to draft the best LT and Edge (or almost any impact defender) in the draft, they should pull the trigger and be thrilled (if they're sticking with Jones). Collect the talent, let them duke it out in camp for starting positions. There are few players on this roster that stop me from saying we can get better. Jones could wind up on the upgrade list too.

RE: Bleed  
barens : 9/15/2021 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15367417 JonC said:
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I get it. But, they've got to get more talented, especially at the premium positions. Creating competition will push the prospects already in house as well.

If they have an opportunity next April, for example, to draft the best LT and Edge (or almost any impact defender) in the draft, they should pull the trigger and be thrilled (if they're sticking with Jones). Collect the talent, let them duke it out in camp for starting positions. There are few players on this roster that stop me from saying we can get better. Jones could wind up on the upgrade list too.


It's interesting, because the 2022 crop seems to be pretty deep with the edge rushers. I don't know how they can pass something like that up if the opportunity is there. And yes, if the top OT is staring at them when they pick, you gotta pull the trigger, right?
RE: A bunch of years  
greek13 : 9/15/2021 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15367145 BigBlueJ said:
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later still need the same thing:

Edge
OT


💯
BW in DC  
lugnut : 9/15/2021 2:50 pm : link
They have Corral listed at 6'1", 205. (Maybe they heard you?)
Kedon Slovis  
lugnut : 9/15/2021 2:52 pm : link
Sounds like a Balkan war criminal.

Seriously, this might be a record even for me of checking out the next year's draft prospects.
100% in agreement with JonC  
JB_in_DC : 9/15/2021 3:01 pm : link
Giants need OL and Front 7 guys that get after QBs and force offenses off the field. OT and OLB (given we're still 3-4) are the things that come to mind but its all about impact and talent level. Bucs took NT Vita Vea 1 pick before Marcus Davenport in 2018 - great pick. In the same respect, a dominant talent IOL that establishes a team's identity can be better than Best Available Tackle. In that same draft 2018 draft Colts took Quenton Nelson before any tackles were off the board.
RE: RE: Bleed  
JonC : 9/15/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15367489 barens said:
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In comment 15367417 JonC said:


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I get it. But, they've got to get more talented, especially at the premium positions. Creating competition will push the prospects already in house as well.

If they have an opportunity next April, for example, to draft the best LT and Edge (or almost any impact defender) in the draft, they should pull the trigger and be thrilled (if they're sticking with Jones). Collect the talent, let them duke it out in camp for starting positions. There are few players on this roster that stop me from saying we can get better. Jones could wind up on the upgrade list too.




It's interesting, because the 2022 crop seems to be pretty deep with the edge rushers. I don't know how they can pass something like that up if the opportunity is there. And yes, if the top OT is staring at them when they pick, you gotta pull the trigger, right?


I would. But, would NYG? I think it's clear their draft strategy is to pick the best player available at position of need, even at the top of the draft. I hate it, but their success horizon probably urges it on. They will probably view AT as the LT, and might not want to spend a top 10 pick on another OT.
When did parents start naming their sons Zion?  
Milton : 9/15/2021 3:14 pm : link
And what prompted it? I see two in Colin's top 100, plus the NBA draft pick from a couple years ago, and I think I've seen it elsewhere in the past few years. Before that, I didn't even know it was a name. Even less common than Milton!
If DJ isn’t the QB of the future  
Earl the goat : 9/15/2021 5:48 pm : link
Then Ole Miss Matt Coral is my choice
This guy will be a top QB in the NFL in years to come
RE: regardless of of who is GM and coach  
Earl the goat : 9/15/2021 5:49 pm : link
In comment 15367229 Platos said:
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next year, i think we should go BPA at OL or DE/OLB

unless a QB really sticks out


Kenyon Green OG Texas A and M
Demarvin Leal DT. Texas A and m

My two choices in RD 1 if it isn’t a QB
RE: When did parents start naming their sons Zion?  
JB_in_DC : 9/15/2021 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15367680 Milton said:
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And what prompted it? I see two in Colin's top 100, plus the NBA draft pick from a couple years ago, and I think I've seen it elsewhere in the past few years. Before that, I didn't even know it was a name. Even less common than Milton!


Hah good question. One possible influence: Lauryn Hill's 1998 track "To Zion" - a tribute to her own infant son, named Zion.
RE: BW in DC  
bw in dc : 9/15/2021 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15367638 lugnut said:
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They have Corral listed at 6'1", 205. (Maybe they heard you?)


Well, what do you know... ;)

RE: Kedon Slovis  
bw in dc : 9/15/2021 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15367645 lugnut said:
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Sounds like a Balkan war criminal.

Seriously, this might be a record even for me of checking out the next year's draft prospects.


There is NFW Slovis is the #20 rated prospect on anyone's board right now.

He's been, and I'll be kind, pedestrian through two games so far against San Jose St and Stanford. Two teams that people aren't confusing with Alabama and Georgia...
RE: If DJ isn’t the QB of the future  
uconngiant : 9/15/2021 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15367836 Earl the goat said:
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Then Ole Miss Matt Coral is my choice
This guy will be a top QB in the NFL in years to come


Corral is very good and better than the top two by far and has the the best touch and accurate
2022 prospects  
Colin@gbn : 9/15/2021 8:03 pm : link
Evening: Thanks again M S for the plug. Every bit helps! And I would have commented earlier but spent the day getting some dental surgery work. On the whole I would have preferred to have been golfing!!

And yes lugnut and b.w. that was a misprint. One of the problems of working from a template is that sometimes the old data hangs around! And no it is never too early to be looking at upcoming draft prospects even if you have legit Super Bowl aspirations. It is way too early, though, for anyone to be saying 'this is the guy I want' and such.

Certainly I have no at this time what the Giants will be doing or thinking this coming April. However, there are several draft related things I think that you can probably take to the bank. They won't give you anything for them, but you can take them to the bank!

First, I really don't think the Giants will be picking top 5 this year or any year soon. Not sure what happened on Sunday, but I really think the Giants have too many good players to be a true bottom feeder, although one never likes to say never.

On defense, there really is no way that a unit that includes the likes of Leo Williams, Dexter Lawrence, Blake Martinez, James Bradberry, Adoree Jackson, Jabrill Peppers and Xavier McKinney should be giving up over 400 yards per game and allowing a 67% 3rd-4th conversion rate. In fact, I really think the Giants have close to enough pieces to field an aggressive, attacking defense. Sure, you're going to give up some big plays but anything has to be better than being nickle-and-dimed to death every week.

Similar story on offense where the offense has at least three really good NFL receivers in Golladay, Shepard and Slayton, complimented (hopefully) by gadget receivers like Saquon, Toney and Engram, to build around. Obviously the OL is still a work in progress, but they certainly appeared to be good enough on Sunday against a very aggressive defense. Again what I see is a team with most of the pieces in place to run a wide-open, field-stretching big-play offense that should be really hard to match-up with. But you gotta run it though!

I also don't think Daniel Jones is going anywhere this year. He's clearly got some warts in his game; however, while its a good year at QB with as many as a half dozen or so guys with first-round potential at least at this time none looks like a sure-thing type prospect that would clearly be an upgrade. Plus Jones is cost controlled for at least another year. The one caveat would be if the Giants came to really like one of the QBs (like they did with Mahomes a couple of years back) like a Rattler or Malik Willis or even a guy like Nevada's Carson Strong who everyone in the league seems to be hot on these days.

And just as an aside, one thing that kind of jumped out at me on Sunday was that Jones is indeed a really good athlete (although he's probably still more fast than quick) and you wonder why that hasn't been incorporated into the game plan more.


My own sense at this time is that the 2022 draft could very well be all about the defense, especially the pass rush and the coverage units. And this is not so much about 'plugging holes' but building a potential playoff contender that can shut people down on 3rd downs. In particular, most teams that can get after the QB have multiple guys that can rush the QB. And it does appear that DE/ER could be a real strength at this year's draft with 3-4 top 10-15 guys including Oregon's Kayvon Thibodeaux, Drake Jackson of USC Purdue's George Karlaftis and Aidan Hutchinson of Michigan. Unfortunately maybe not so much at CB and that might be an area you look on the second day.

I also don't think the Giants will go into the draft planning to take an OL early. But I could very much see them taking a guy like Evan Neal or Kenyon Green early as a player simply too good to pass on if he was there, although there is aslo some terrific depth along the OL this year. Time will tell.
Good post of things to consider Colin.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 8:29 pm : link
But on Sept 15th there are a million things to consider and none of them may matter when we get to next April, from both what happens to the college prospects to what happens with the Giant season and an roster analysis.

Safe to say though that the 2022 NY Giants will need help in a lot of places so good thing we have a ton of draft picks to provide the new GM...excuse me, GM Dave Gettleman.
Slovis hasn't been the same since injuring his shoulder  
JonC : 9/16/2021 9:31 am : link
2022 draft is lining up to be a key one to continue building the defense and the OL early and often.
Names to watch for at positions of need:  
Anakim : 9/16/2021 9:58 am : link

QB

#9 Desmond Ridder – Cincinnati
#7 Malik Willis - Liberty
#12 Carson Strong – Nevada
#7 Sam Howell – North Carolina
#7 Spencer Rattler - Oklahoma
#2 Matt Corral - Ole Miss


TE

#19 Jahleel Billingsley – Alabama
#88 Charlie Kolar – Iowa State
#88 Jeremy Ruckert – Ohio State
#85 Jalen Wydermyer – Texas A&M
#87 Cade Otton - Washington


EDGE

#21 Myjai Sanders – Cincinnati
#19 Adam Anderson – Georgia
#33 Zach Harrison – Ohio State
#11 Nik Bonitto - Oklahoma
#5 Kayvon Thibodeaux – Oregon
#5 George Karlaftis III - Purdue
#99 Drake Jackson – USC
#58 Zion Tupuola-Fetui - Washington


ILB

#8 Christian Harris – Alabama
#10 Owen Pappoe – Auburn
#19 Mike Jones Jr. - LSU
#12 Brandon Smith – Penn State
#0 Devin Lloyd - Utah
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