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Trent Dilfer believes Daniel Jones will be a "great" QB

DanMetroMan : 9/15/2021 12:33 pm
“When he does – and I don’t think it’s an if, it’s a when,” Dilfer said about the turnover problem. “When he does, and as they get more talented up front, they gotta get better up front. When those things happen, I think this is probably a next year thing to be honest with you. You’ll see flashes of it this year. But when he does, he’s going to be one of the better players in the NFL.

I'll have what he's having!
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Producer.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2021 7:06 pm : link
Well, I agree. This is a results oriented business & thus far, he hasn't delivered the goods. What I'm saying is that it sucks because he comes off like a good kid who is trying his best, but the results have been blah.
RE: RE: I think Eric on LI posted in a thread  
Section331 : 9/15/2021 7:13 pm : link
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and again Daniel Jones had 13tds and 0 ints in the RZ as a rookie. At Duke he hadn't thrown a RZ int in multiple seasons (see link below for more numbers).


And the immortal Jacoby Brissett threw 15 TD’s and 0 picks that year. I am not going to defend Garrett, I hated the hiring and have been very vocal here about how he is a big part of the problem. That said, a number of QB’s have had a lot of success under his offenses, so maybe he isn’t the only problem.
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Producer : 9/15/2021 7:21 pm : link
In comment 15367907 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Well, I agree. This is a results oriented business & thus far, he hasn't delivered the goods. What I'm saying is that it sucks because he comes off like a good kid who is trying his best, but the results have been blah.


you are right. He seems like a decent kid. There was that one play in the first Q when the Broncos went offsides and he hit Slayton deep on the sidelines in a *free shot*. It was a beauty. Smart and well executed. I thought wow. ok... give us this, 90% of the time and you are the man. But we get it 10% of the time, and it's not enough.
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bw in dc : 9/15/2021 7:22 pm : link
In comment 15367826 Eric on Li said:
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Why?

Elway has a pattern when drafting QBs in the upper rounds. He has favored big, strong armed prospects. Brock Osweiler, Paxton Lynch, Drew Lock. Jones did not fit that profile. Lock did.



you can believe in whatever patterns you see. all i can tell you is that in this rarest of cases i happen to know for a fact that you are not correct and im not just guessing at that based on a pattern or a media report.


Whatever you say. I'm not asking for whatever source you have, I'm curious how you know...
I think we all know Jones' issues  
GeofromNJ : 9/15/2021 7:40 pm : link
He stares down his primary receiver, he fails to sense pressure in the pocket, and he allows the ball to be knocked out of his hands far too often. If he can correct these three issues, I think the Giants can be a plus .500 team even with a mediocre offensive line.
Denver  
ajr2456 : 9/15/2021 7:57 pm : link
Wasn’t taking Jones. I can say that with 100% certainty
RE: Denver  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15367974 ajr2456 said:
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Wasn’t taking Jones. I can say that with 100% certainty


Well it certainly appears you, Peter King, John Elway, and Mike Klis absolutely don't have the same set of facts as Eric on LI & Dave Gettleman.

And as mentioned, Daniel Jones is a NY Giant no matter who is calling bullshit...
Are usually try to watch…  
Brown_Hornet : 9/15/2021 8:52 pm : link
…the DL & OL.
Is DJ staring at one WR, or is his head turned in one direction?

There is a huge difference.
RE: RE: RE: I think Eric on LI posted in a thread  
Eric on Li : 9/15/2021 9:20 pm : link
In comment 15367918 Section331 said:
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and again Daniel Jones had 13tds and 0 ints in the RZ as a rookie. At Duke he hadn't thrown a RZ int in multiple seasons (see link below for more numbers).




And the immortal Jacoby Brissett threw 15 TD’s and 0 picks that year. I am not going to defend Garrett, I hated the hiring and have been very vocal here about how he is a big part of the problem. That said, a number of QB’s have had a lot of success under his offenses, so maybe he isn’t the only problem.


he's not the only but when an entire offense of players regresses you have to look to the common link, no? Was Slayton not previously a promising WR? Engram's production last year was laughable compared to previous seasons (which were already considered disappointing).

Jones 100% needs to do better too but asking any individual player (even a QB) to make a difference in this offense is like thinking any individual was going to make James Bettcher's defense all of a sudden work.
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Producer : 9/15/2021 9:27 pm : link
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and again Daniel Jones had 13tds and 0 ints in the RZ as a rookie. At Duke he hadn't thrown a RZ int in multiple seasons (see link below for more numbers).




And the immortal Jacoby Brissett threw 15 TD’s and 0 picks that year. I am not going to defend Garrett, I hated the hiring and have been very vocal here about how he is a big part of the problem. That said, a number of QB’s have had a lot of success under his offenses, so maybe he isn’t the only problem.



he's not the only but when an entire offense of players regresses you have to look to the common link, no? Was Slayton not previously a promising WR? Engram's production last year was laughable compared to previous seasons (which were already considered disappointing).

Jones 100% needs to do better too but asking any individual player (even a QB) to make a difference in this offense is like thinking any individual was going to make James Bettcher's defense all of a sudden work.


The QB touches the ball on every play. You can see the talent even under the worst circumstances. The top 10 QBs would show more than Jones has, imo. But now we have more around him, and the protection was good last week. And still mistakes and just 7 points. I can't believe you look at Jones in year three and see a guy as good as Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Allen, Brady, Stafford, Herbert, Lamar, Prescott, or Murray. He's not a baller like those guys.
RE: Denver  
bw in dc : 9/15/2021 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15367974 ajr2456 said:
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Wasn’t taking Jones. I can say that with 100% certainty


It was discussed a month BEFORE the draft that the Broncos were exploring getting out of the 10th spot in that 2019 draft. So the trade was not some sort of panic move by Elway because Jones was suddenly gone at #6.

I stand firm - any attempt to suggest that Denver wanted Jones in the first round is simply trying to feel better that the Giants weren't the only team that viewed Jones so highly...
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Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15368060 bw in dc said:
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Wasn’t taking Jones. I can say that with 100% certainty



It was discussed a month BEFORE the draft that the Broncos were exploring getting out of the 10th spot in that 2019 draft. So the trade was not some sort of panic move by Elway because Jones was suddenly gone at #6.

I stand firm - any attempt to suggest that Denver wanted Jones in the first round is simply trying to feel better that the Giants weren't the only team that viewed Jones so highly...


I agree. This isn't to say that teams didn't have Jones on their radar and may have been considering him at some point...just nobody close to #6. Even Belichick made some very public comments if he was there late in Rd 1 that he would have been in the conversation. The Broncos as well in early Rd 2 and if Lock was gone.

This is CYA kind of stuff that is very transparent...
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Eric on Li : 9/15/2021 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15367929 bw in dc said:
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I'm not asking for whatever source you have, I'm curious how you know...


a source you're not asking me about said so. im just another guy at a keyboard who likes the giants. you can believe whatever you want but i've got no reason to make this or anything else ive ever posted up. it's actually somewhat illuminating to see how easy it is for someone to be completely sure about the wrong thing just because they want to believe it.

also it's not like what I said is breaking any news. Vacchiano reported this long before I knew anything. I'll say 2 things re: where my info came from, it was not dave gettleman and I can tell you with a high degree of certainty it's from someone closer to the decisions than wherever Ralph got his info.

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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
Why didn't Dave Gettleman wait until 17 to take Daniel Jones?

"I know for a fact there were tei teams that would've taken him in front of 17,” he said. “I know that for a fact"

(The two teams, according to NFL sources: The Redskins and Broncos)

7:22 PM · Apr 27, 2019


but sure. there's no way 2 teams who ended up taking QBs, 1 of whom traded down from their first round pick right after the NYG selected Jones, and both of whom who have already moved on from those players, would have taken Jones. Totally inconceivable.
This is just a thought experiment, I suppose  
JesseS : 9/15/2021 9:48 pm : link
But if Jones played for another team and was a top 10 pick, who some considered a reach (whether you agree or not), or he was an older QB who had one decent season, what would your opinion be of him? People have a hard time reflecting on something they have an emotional investment in (I’m a therapist). You can’t escape it, even if you try! Emotions drive the brain. But pretending you could, would folks really think the QB they’ve watched the past two seasons inspires faith or is just the victim of a bad OC? If that’s the case, I wonder if they apply that logic elsewhere.

There’s a great book called the Scout Mindset about how we make decisions and how sure we are of ourselves. A fun trick in it discusses how we should practice giving percentages to things we believe and should seriously examine anything we believe 100%.

I’ll play first and say I’m 20% sure Daniel Jones can be a great QB who makes his teammates better.
RE: RE: Denver  
Eric on Li : 9/15/2021 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15368060 bw in dc said:
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Wasn’t taking Jones. I can say that with 100% certainty



It was discussed a month BEFORE the draft that the Broncos were exploring getting out of the 10th spot in that 2019 draft. So the trade was not some sort of panic move by Elway because Jones was suddenly gone at #6.

I stand firm - any attempt to suggest that Denver wanted Jones in the first round is simply trying to feel better that the Giants weren't the only team that viewed Jones so highly...


With respect, you stand firmly wrong.
RE: This is just a thought experiment, I suppose  
Producer : 9/15/2021 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15368087 JesseS said:
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But if Jones played for another team and was a top 10 pick, who some considered a reach (whether you agree or not), or he was an older QB who had one decent season, what would your opinion be of him? People have a hard time reflecting on something they have an emotional investment in (I’m a therapist). You can’t escape it, even if you try! Emotions drive the brain. But pretending you could, would folks really think the QB they’ve watched the past two seasons inspires faith or is just the victim of a bad OC? If that’s the case, I wonder if they apply that logic elsewhere.

There’s a great book called the Scout Mindset about how we make decisions and how sure we are of ourselves. A fun trick in it discusses how we should practice giving percentages to things we believe and should seriously examine anything we believe 100%.

I’ll play first and say I’m 20% sure Daniel Jones can be a great QB who makes his teammates better.


I'm not even sure what you are asking. Like what if Daniel Jones wasn't Daniel Jones? Or, what if he played like this for the Bears? I'd be laughing at the Bears, as I laughed at them over Trubisky. I feel it is a 5% chance Jones can be a great QB. With odds like that you look elsewhere, forthwith. But even if you think it is a 20% chance, then the Giants made a gigantic mistake not considering Fields or Mac Jones at 11.
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bw in dc : 9/15/2021 10:12 pm : link
In comment 15368085 Eric on Li said:
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
Why didn't Dave Gettleman wait until 17 to take Daniel Jones?

"I know for a fact there were tei teams that would've taken him in front of 17,” he said. “I know that for a fact"

(The two teams, according to NFL sources: The Redskins and Broncos)

7:22 PM · Apr 27, 2019



but sure. there's no way 2 teams who ended up taking QBs, 1 of whom traded down from their first round pick right after the NYG selected Jones, and both of whom who have already moved on from those players, would have taken Jones. Totally inconceivable.


You don't find it odd or peculiar that Gettleman felt the need to make that comment?

Why not simply say they liked Jones and thought he was worth taking at #6? Why the need to justify the pick by saying other teams had interest?

To me, that screams insecurity and CYA 101.
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Producer : 9/15/2021 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15368126 bw in dc said:
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
Why didn't Dave Gettleman wait until 17 to take Daniel Jones?

"I know for a fact there were tei teams that would've taken him in front of 17,” he said. “I know that for a fact"

(The two teams, according to NFL sources: The Redskins and Broncos)

7:22 PM · Apr 27, 2019



but sure. there's no way 2 teams who ended up taking QBs, 1 of whom traded down from their first round pick right after the NYG selected Jones, and both of whom who have already moved on from those players, would have taken Jones. Totally inconceivable.



You don't find it odd or peculiar that Gettleman felt the need to make that comment?

Why not simply say they liked Jones and thought he was worth taking at #6? Why the need to justify the pick by saying other teams had interest?

To me, that screams insecurity and CYA 101.


The whole Denver was picking Jones canard is desperate and laughable. Their evidence is that they traded with the Steelers after Jones was picked. yea ok.. that's not evidence, that's speculation. Maybe they traded down after Devin White, or Josh Allen. Or maybe they just wanted out of the 10 spot because they saw better value later.
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Eric on Li : 9/15/2021 10:17 pm : link
In comment 15368126 bw in dc said:
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You don't find it odd or peculiar that Gettleman felt the need to make that comment?

Why not simply say they liked Jones and thought he was worth taking at #6? Why the need to justify the pick by saying other teams had interest?

To me, that screams insecurity and CYA 101.


No I don't find it peculiar bc it's a pro forma statement every GM makes about their picks and because I don't get triggered by every comment the guy makes.

Either way it's beside the point. He isn't the GM of any other team so what he says doesn't have any bearing on the truth of the statement.
RE: This is just a thought experiment, I suppose  
Scooter185 : 9/15/2021 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15368087 JesseS said:
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But if Jones played for another team and was a top 10 pick, who some considered a reach (whether you agree or not), or he was an older QB who had one decent season, what would your opinion be of him? People have a hard time reflecting on something they have an emotional investment in (I’m a therapist). You can’t escape it, even if you try! Emotions drive the brain. But pretending you could, would folks really think the QB they’ve watched the past two seasons inspires faith or is just the victim of a bad OC? If that’s the case, I wonder if they apply that logic elsewhere.

There’s a great book called the Scout Mindset about how we make decisions and how sure we are of ourselves. A fun trick in it discusses how we should practice giving percentages to things we believe and should seriously examine anything we believe 100%.

I’ll play first and say I’m 20% sure Daniel Jones can be a great QB who makes his teammates better.


If Jones was on WFT instead BBI absolutely would be laughing at them
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Producer : 9/15/2021 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15368137 Scooter185 said:
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But if Jones played for another team and was a top 10 pick, who some considered a reach (whether you agree or not), or he was an older QB who had one decent season, what would your opinion be of him? People have a hard time reflecting on something they have an emotional investment in (I’m a therapist). You can’t escape it, even if you try! Emotions drive the brain. But pretending you could, would folks really think the QB they’ve watched the past two seasons inspires faith or is just the victim of a bad OC? If that’s the case, I wonder if they apply that logic elsewhere.

There’s a great book called the Scout Mindset about how we make decisions and how sure we are of ourselves. A fun trick in it discusses how we should practice giving percentages to things we believe and should seriously examine anything we believe 100%.

I’ll play first and say I’m 20% sure Daniel Jones can be a great QB who makes his teammates better.



If Jones was on WFT instead BBI absolutely would be laughing at them


a hundred percent.
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Brown_Hornet : 9/15/2021 10:53 pm : link
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Wasn’t taking Jones. I can say that with 100% certainty



It was discussed a month BEFORE the draft that the Broncos were exploring getting out of the 10th spot in that 2019 draft. So the trade was not some sort of panic move by Elway because Jones was suddenly gone at #6.

I stand firm - any attempt to suggest that Denver wanted Jones in the first round is simply trying to feel better that the Giants weren't the only team that viewed Jones so highly...



With respect, you stand firmly wrong.

Why is it in America that people stand firm and defiant and confident about things that they either know to be untrue or they have no way of proving that these things are true?
Emotion rules the day.

Good lord  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 11:04 pm : link
the only question I have is why post like that...
Vomit rules some days too  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 11:06 pm : link
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Denver wasn’t picking Jones unless it was the second round  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 11:10 pm : link
and he was still there and Lock was gone.

The rest just doesn’t fit...
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Bear vs Shark : 9/15/2021 11:22 pm : link
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Wasn’t taking Jones. I can say that with 100% certainty



It was discussed a month BEFORE the draft that the Broncos were exploring getting out of the 10th spot in that 2019 draft. So the trade was not some sort of panic move by Elway because Jones was suddenly gone at #6.

I stand firm - any attempt to suggest that Denver wanted Jones in the first round is simply trying to feel better that the Giants weren't the only team that viewed Jones so highly...



With respect, you stand firmly wrong.


Why is it in America that people stand firm and defiant and confident about things that they either know to be untrue or they have no way of proving that these things are true?
Emotion rules the day.
Because everyone gets to make up their own reality these days and finds a bunch of other equally delusional people to be their support system and convince em theyre right. FFS, look at this board lol, this must be the only place where there's a sizable collection of people who think Daniel Jones is currently a top 16 QB and Dave Gettleman is a good GM.

Internet, bringin people together baby!

Denver has had terrible QB judgment  
Go Terps : 9/15/2021 11:23 pm : link
If they were going to take Jones in round 1 it's hardly a compliment. And if they had, so what? We had already committed to paying Eli by that point so drafting Jones was idiotic. We ended up paying Eli $23M for two starts whole the Giants were still in competition to make the playoffs.

It's incredible how fucking stupid Gettleman was in that whole scenario.
*two starts while  
Go Terps : 9/15/2021 11:28 pm : link
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RE: Denver has had terrible QB judgment  
Jimmy Googs : 9/15/2021 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15368195 Go Terps said:
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If they were going to take Jones in round 1 it's hardly a compliment. And if they had, so what? We had already committed to paying Eli by that point so drafting Jones was idiotic. We ended up paying Eli $23M for two starts whole the Giants were still in competition to make the playoffs.

It's incredible how fucking stupid Gettleman was in that whole scenario.


Yes. A clearer take on an ongoing debate that has no actual value...
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Bear vs Shark : 9/15/2021 11:35 pm : link
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If they were going to take Jones in round 1 it's hardly a compliment. And if they had, so what? We had already committed to paying Eli by that point so drafting Jones was idiotic. We ended up paying Eli $23M for two starts whole the Giants were still in competition to make the playoffs.

It's incredible how fucking stupid Gettleman was in that whole scenario.



Yes. A clearer take on an ongoing debate that has no actual value...
Shit, we closed the debate on DG actually being a competent GM? I'm ecstatic!

People actually think Gettleman is the GM for this team, and Go Terps post is just another supporting argument that he absolutely is not based on an example from recent history.
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bw in dc : 9/16/2021 6:45 am : link
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You don't find it odd or peculiar that Gettleman felt the need to make that comment?

Why not simply say they liked Jones and thought he was worth taking at #6? Why the need to justify the pick by saying other teams had interest?

To me, that screams insecurity and CYA 101.



No I don't find it peculiar bc it's a pro forma statement every GM makes about their picks and because I don't get triggered by every comment the guy makes.

Either way it's beside the point. He isn't the GM of any other team so what he says doesn't have any bearing on the truth of the statement.


Let me add an actual fact to this because you are way over your skis and need to revisit what ever "reliable" information you think you have.

WFT was NOT drafting Jones. Snyder was taking Hopkins. It was signed, sealed, and delivered. Synder's son went to high school with Hopkins at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. They played football together. The Snyders became friends with the Hopkins. So Snyder was very fond of DH and became more enamored with him when Hopkins had his breakout year at Ohio State. In fact, Snyder pulled rank and took Hopkins despite the fact Jay Gruden didn't want Hopkins.

This is without dispute and completely eliminates WFT as one of the two teams in Gettleman's fairy tale explanation...
RE: I don't think Jones is more than an average NFL QB  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/16/2021 7:27 am : link
In comment 15367771 Greg from LI said:
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But I do agree that Garrett isn't helping him at all. Shurmur runs a very QB-friendly offense. Hell, he made Case Keenum look like a good starter.


This. And it's clear as day that Mara hand picked JG. So you can be sure before considering it a sunk cost Mara will make sure they continue to try and jam a square peg into a round hole and make it work.
So....  
DannyDimes : 9/16/2021 8:05 am : link
IF God was building the perfect QB he would make him about 6'4", athletic, strong armed, smart, hard-working, teachable, and with a desire to win. DJ has every one of those traits.

He makes a lot of mistakes. Is that fixable? If so, he's be great.
RE: So....  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2021 8:08 am : link
In comment 15368249 DannyDimes said:
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IF God was building the perfect QB he would make him about 6'4", athletic, strong armed, smart, hard-working, teachable, and with a desire to win. DJ has every one of those traits.

He makes a lot of mistakes. Is that fixable? If so, he's be great.


If he's teachable, logic suggests that he would stop making the same mistakes repeatedly.

Very likeable guy, but every failed QB who's ever played had some, most, or all of those traits.
RE: So....  
cosmicj : 9/16/2021 8:27 am : link
In comment 15368249 DannyDimes said:
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IF God was building the perfect QB he would make him about 6'4", athletic, strong armed, smart, hard-working, teachable, and with a desire to win. DJ has every one of those traits.

He makes a lot of mistakes. Is that fixable? If so, he's be great.


That’s exactly right and it’s why Joe Montana was never able to take the step up to the NFL.
For fun, Trent Dilfer in 1995  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2021 8:33 am : link
16 games, 415 attempts. 4 TD, 18INT.
RE: RE: So....  
rsjem1979 : 9/16/2021 9:20 am : link
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IF God was building the perfect QB he would make him about 6'4", athletic, strong armed, smart, hard-working, teachable, and with a desire to win. DJ has every one of those traits.

He makes a lot of mistakes. Is that fixable? If so, he's be great.



That’s exactly right and it’s why Joe Montana was never able to take the step up to the NFL.


I mean I tend to think if God was making the perfect QB he'd give him all of those traits but also make him good at actually playing QB.
27 of his 40 turnovers  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2021 9:24 am : link
Have led directly to points.
Good or bad  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/16/2021 10:17 am : link
It is pointless to endlessly debate whether another one team would have taken Jones.

We have no way of knowing the answer.

It was a silly thing for DG to say in the first place.
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Blue21 : 9/16/2021 10:58 am : link
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You don't find it odd or peculiar that Gettleman felt the need to make that comment?

Why not simply say they liked Jones and thought he was worth taking at #6? Why the need to justify the pick by saying other teams had interest?

To me, that screams insecurity and CYA 101.



No I don't find it peculiar bc it's a pro forma statement every GM makes about their picks and because I don't get triggered by every comment the guy makes.

Either way it's beside the point. He isn't the GM of any other team so what he says doesn't have any bearing on the truth of the statement.



Let me add an actual fact to this because you are way over your skis and need to revisit what ever "reliable" information you think you have.

WFT was NOT drafting Jones. Snyder was taking Hopkins. It was signed, sealed, and delivered. Synder's son went to high school with Hopkins at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. They played football together. The Snyders became friends with the Hopkins. So Snyder was very fond of DH and became more enamored with him when Hopkins had his breakout year at Ohio State. In fact, Snyder pulled rank and took Hopkins despite the fact Jay Gruden didn't want Hopkins.

This is without dispute and completely eliminates WFT as one of

the two teams in Gettleman's fairy tale explanation...


I think you mean Haskins. But we know what you meant and indications were that was true. As far as other teams? Lots of guessing. Wouldn't surprise me either way. At this point doesn't matter IMO. Jones is getting this year at least to show what he has or doesn't have.
RE: For fun, Trent Dilfer in 1995  
Brown_Hornet : 9/16/2021 11:05 am : link
In comment 15368269 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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16 games, 415 attempts. 4 TD, 18INT.
So, you Googled Trent Dilfer for the sole purpose of discrediting him because he had something positive about DJ?

...just WOW?
RE: RE: For fun, Trent Dilfer in 1995  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2021 11:13 am : link
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16 games, 415 attempts. 4 TD, 18INT.

So, you Googled Trent Dilfer for the sole purpose of discrediting him because he had something positive about DJ?

...just WOW?


No one thinks Dilfer was a good QB. There's nothing to discredit. It's simply an unbelievably funny stat line for a full season of football. He was ungodly terribly.

Here's another fun Dilfer fact. He is no longer at ESPN because one of his contract demands was use of a private jet.
RE: The team that was going to trade up for Jones  
BlueVinnie : 9/16/2021 11:15 am : link
In comment 15367665 JoeFootball said:
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was Cincinnati. They had a trade in place with Buffalo at #8. The deal dissolved when we picked Jones. The video details were on the Bills twitter account after the draft.

Well...I think that worked out pretty well for Cincinnati. I would never have thought I'd say such a thing but the Bengals future looks a bit more rosy than ours.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Fan of Jones  
BlueVinnie : 9/16/2021 11:20 am : link
In comment 15368126 bw in dc said:
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
Why didn't Dave Gettleman wait until 17 to take Daniel Jones?

"I know for a fact there were tei teams that would've taken him in front of 17,” he said. “I know that for a fact"

(The two teams, according to NFL sources: The Redskins and Broncos)

7:22 PM · Apr 27, 2019



but sure. there's no way 2 teams who ended up taking QBs, 1 of whom traded down from their first round pick right after the NYG selected Jones, and both of whom who have already moved on from those players, would have taken Jones. Totally inconceivable.



You don't find it odd or peculiar that Gettleman felt the need to make that comment?

Why not simply say they liked Jones and thought he was worth taking at #6? Why the need to justify the pick by saying other teams had interest?

To me, that screams insecurity and CYA 101.


This!!!
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bw in dc : 9/16/2021 11:51 am : link
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Let me add an actual fact to this because you are way over your skis and need to revisit what ever "reliable" information you think you have.

WFT was NOT drafting Jones. Snyder was taking Hopkins. It was signed, sealed, and delivered. Synder's son went to high school with Hopkins at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. They played football together. The Snyders became friends with the Hopkins. So Snyder was very fond of DH and became more enamored with him when Hopkins had his breakout year at Ohio State. In fact, Snyder pulled rank and took Hopkins despite the fact Jay Gruden didn't want Hopkins.

This is without dispute and completely eliminates WFT as one of

the two teams in Gettleman's fairy tale explanation...



I think you mean Haskins. But we know what you meant and indications were that was true. As far as other teams? Lots of guessing. Wouldn't surprise me either way. At this point doesn't matter IMO. Jones is getting this year at least to show what he has or doesn't have.


Geesh - thanks. My dislike of Haskins is so deep I refused to spell his name correctly... ;)
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think Eric on LI posted in a thread  
Section331 : 9/16/2021 11:57 am : link
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he's not the only but when an entire offense of players regresses you have to look to the common link, no? Was Slayton not previously a promising WR? Engram's production last year was laughable compared to previous seasons (which were already considered disappointing).

Jones 100% needs to do better too but asking any individual player (even a QB) to make a difference in this offense is like thinking any individual was going to make James Bettcher's defense all of a sudden work.


Slayton was a flawed WR who had a promising rookie year, but let's not overstate his production. DC's also had a year of film on him, and saw that he could be disrupted by physical CB's. DC's also saw how DJ could be confused by post-snap changes in coverage.

As I said, I am far from a Garrett fan, and if he were fired or demoted today, I would pop open a bottle to celebrate, BUT a guy like Dak, a 4th round pick, as a rookie threw for 3,700 yds, 23 TD's and 4 picks running Garrett's offense, so it's not all on Garrett.

And it's not just stats. DJ fails the eye test. A really shaky pocket presence, locks onto WR's, especially on short routes, those are traits that should be solved after 25+ starts. Maybe he'll buck history and be a top starter, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Thegratefulhead : 9/16/2021 11:58 am : link
In comment 15368541 bw in dc said:
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Let me add an actual fact to this because you are way over your skis and need to revisit what ever "reliable" information you think you have.

WFT was NOT drafting Jones. Snyder was taking Hopkins. It was signed, sealed, and delivered. Synder's son went to high school with Hopkins at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. They played football together. The Snyders became friends with the Hopkins. So Snyder was very fond of DH and became more enamored with him when Hopkins had his breakout year at Ohio State. In fact, Snyder pulled rank and took Hopkins despite the fact Jay Gruden didn't want Hopkins.

This is without dispute and completely eliminates WFT as one of

the two teams in Gettleman's fairy tale explanation...



I think you mean Haskins. But we know what you meant and indications were that was true. As far as other teams? Lots of guessing. Wouldn't surprise me either way. At this point doesn't matter IMO. Jones is getting this year at least to show what he has or doesn't have.



Geesh - thanks. My dislike of Haskins is so deep I refused to spell his name correctly... ;)
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We can hope right?  
Carson53 : 9/16/2021 4:01 pm : link
I don't know if I agree with Dilfer, but Jones needs to show
something this year. The Giants can't wait until year 4
to truly find about him. Some of the issues haven't changed.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think Eric on LI posted in a thread  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/16/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15368553 Section331 said:
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he's not the only but when an entire offense of players regresses you have to look to the common link, no? Was Slayton not previously a promising WR? Engram's production last year was laughable compared to previous seasons (which were already considered disappointing).

Jones 100% needs to do better too but asking any individual player (even a QB) to make a difference in this offense is like thinking any individual was going to make James Bettcher's defense all of a sudden work.



Slayton was a flawed WR who had a promising rookie year, but let's not overstate his production. DC's also had a year of film on him, and saw that he could be disrupted by physical CB's. DC's also saw how DJ could be confused by post-snap changes in coverage.

As I said, I am far from a Garrett fan, and if he were fired or demoted today, I would pop open a bottle to celebrate, BUT a guy like Dak, a 4th round pick, as a rookie threw for 3,700 yds, 23 TD's and 4 picks running Garrett's offense, so it's not all on Garrett.

And it's not just stats. DJ fails the eye test. A really shaky pocket presence, locks onto WR's, especially on short routes, those are traits that should be solved after 25+ starts. Maybe he'll buck history and be a top starter, but I'll believe it when I see it.


That's a fair argument. Of all the complaints about Jones...I think the most valid one might be that he has David Carr syndrome.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think Eric on LI posted in a thread  
Scooter185 : 9/16/2021 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15369080 Thunderstruck27 said:
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In comment 15368044 Eric on Li said:


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he's not the only but when an entire offense of players regresses you have to look to the common link, no? Was Slayton not previously a promising WR? Engram's production last year was laughable compared to previous seasons (which were already considered disappointing).

Jones 100% needs to do better too but asking any individual player (even a QB) to make a difference in this offense is like thinking any individual was going to make James Bettcher's defense all of a sudden work.



Slayton was a flawed WR who had a promising rookie year, but let's not overstate his production. DC's also had a year of film on him, and saw that he could be disrupted by physical CB's. DC's also saw how DJ could be confused by post-snap changes in coverage.

As I said, I am far from a Garrett fan, and if he were fired or demoted today, I would pop open a bottle to celebrate, BUT a guy like Dak, a 4th round pick, as a rookie threw for 3,700 yds, 23 TD's and 4 picks running Garrett's offense, so it's not all on Garrett.

And it's not just stats. DJ fails the eye test. A really shaky pocket presence, locks onto WR's, especially on short routes, those are traits that should be solved after 25+ starts. Maybe he'll buck history and be a top starter, but I'll believe it when I see it.



That's a fair argument. Of all the complaints about Jones...I think the most valid one might be that he has David Carr syndrome.


Just hope a mic doesn't pick him up saying he's seeing ghosts
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