“When he does – and I don’t think it’s an if, it’s a when,” Dilfer said about the turnover problem. “When he does, and as they get more talented up front, they gotta get better up front. When those things happen, I think this is probably a next year thing to be honest with you. You’ll see flashes of it this year. But when he does, he’s going to be one of the better players in the NFL.
I'll have what he's having!
It's incredible how fucking stupid Gettleman was in that whole scenario.
Yes. A clearer take on an ongoing debate that has no actual value...
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If they were going to take Jones in round 1 it's hardly a compliment. And if they had, so what? We had already committed to paying Eli by that point so drafting Jones was idiotic. We ended up paying Eli $23M for two starts whole the Giants were still in competition to make the playoffs.
It's incredible how fucking stupid Gettleman was in that whole scenario.
Yes. A clearer take on an ongoing debate that has no actual value...
People actually think Gettleman is the GM for this team, and Go Terps post is just another supporting argument that he absolutely is not based on an example from recent history.
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You don't find it odd or peculiar that Gettleman felt the need to make that comment?
Why not simply say they liked Jones and thought he was worth taking at #6? Why the need to justify the pick by saying other teams had interest?
To me, that screams insecurity and CYA 101.
No I don't find it peculiar bc it's a pro forma statement every GM makes about their picks and because I don't get triggered by every comment the guy makes.
Either way it's beside the point. He isn't the GM of any other team so what he says doesn't have any bearing on the truth of the statement.
Let me add an actual fact to this because you are way over your skis and need to revisit what ever "reliable" information you think you have.
WFT was NOT drafting Jones. Snyder was taking Hopkins. It was signed, sealed, and delivered. Synder's son went to high school with Hopkins at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. They played football together. The Snyders became friends with the Hopkins. So Snyder was very fond of DH and became more enamored with him when Hopkins had his breakout year at Ohio State. In fact, Snyder pulled rank and took Hopkins despite the fact Jay Gruden didn't want Hopkins.
This is without dispute and completely eliminates WFT as one of the two teams in Gettleman's fairy tale explanation...
This. And it's clear as day that Mara hand picked JG. So you can be sure before considering it a sunk cost Mara will make sure they continue to try and jam a square peg into a round hole and make it work.
He makes a lot of mistakes. Is that fixable? If so, he's be great.
He makes a lot of mistakes. Is that fixable? If so, he's be great.
If he's teachable, logic suggests that he would stop making the same mistakes repeatedly.
Very likeable guy, but every failed QB who's ever played had some, most, or all of those traits.
He makes a lot of mistakes. Is that fixable? If so, he's be great.
That’s exactly right and it’s why Joe Montana was never able to take the step up to the NFL.
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IF God was building the perfect QB he would make him about 6'4", athletic, strong armed, smart, hard-working, teachable, and with a desire to win. DJ has every one of those traits.
He makes a lot of mistakes. Is that fixable? If so, he's be great.
That’s exactly right and it’s why Joe Montana was never able to take the step up to the NFL.
I mean I tend to think if God was making the perfect QB he'd give him all of those traits but also make him good at actually playing QB.
We have no way of knowing the answer.
It was a silly thing for DG to say in the first place.
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In comment 15368085 Eric on Li said:
You don't find it odd or peculiar that Gettleman felt the need to make that comment?
Why not simply say they liked Jones and thought he was worth taking at #6? Why the need to justify the pick by saying other teams had interest?
To me, that screams insecurity and CYA 101.
No I don't find it peculiar bc it's a pro forma statement every GM makes about their picks and because I don't get triggered by every comment the guy makes.
Either way it's beside the point. He isn't the GM of any other team so what he says doesn't have any bearing on the truth of the statement.
Let me add an actual fact to this because you are way over your skis and need to revisit what ever "reliable" information you think you have.
WFT was NOT drafting Jones. Snyder was taking Hopkins. It was signed, sealed, and delivered. Synder's son went to high school with Hopkins at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. They played football together. The Snyders became friends with the Hopkins. So Snyder was very fond of DH and became more enamored with him when Hopkins had his breakout year at Ohio State. In fact, Snyder pulled rank and took Hopkins despite the fact Jay Gruden didn't want Hopkins.
This is without dispute and completely eliminates WFT as one of
the two teams in Gettleman's fairy tale explanation...
I think you mean Haskins. But we know what you meant and indications were that was true. As far as other teams? Lots of guessing. Wouldn't surprise me either way. At this point doesn't matter IMO. Jones is getting this year at least to show what he has or doesn't have.
...just WOW?
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16 games, 415 attempts. 4 TD, 18INT.
So, you Googled Trent Dilfer for the sole purpose of discrediting him because he had something positive about DJ?
...just WOW?
No one thinks Dilfer was a good QB. There's nothing to discredit. It's simply an unbelievably funny stat line for a full season of football. He was ungodly terribly.
Here's another fun Dilfer fact. He is no longer at ESPN because one of his contract demands was use of a private jet.
Well...I think that worked out pretty well for Cincinnati. I would never have thought I'd say such a thing but the Bengals future looks a bit more rosy than ours.
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
Why didn't Dave Gettleman wait until 17 to take Daniel Jones?
"I know for a fact there were tei teams that would've taken him in front of 17,” he said. “I know that for a fact"
(The two teams, according to NFL sources: The Redskins and Broncos)
7:22 PM · Apr 27, 2019
but sure. there's no way 2 teams who ended up taking QBs, 1 of whom traded down from their first round pick right after the NYG selected Jones, and both of whom who have already moved on from those players, would have taken Jones. Totally inconceivable.
You don't find it odd or peculiar that Gettleman felt the need to make that comment?
Why not simply say they liked Jones and thought he was worth taking at #6? Why the need to justify the pick by saying other teams had interest?
To me, that screams insecurity and CYA 101.
This!!!
Let me add an actual fact to this because you are way over your skis and need to revisit what ever "reliable" information you think you have.
WFT was NOT drafting Jones. Snyder was taking Hopkins. It was signed, sealed, and delivered. Synder's son went to high school with Hopkins at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. They played football together. The Snyders became friends with the Hopkins. So Snyder was very fond of DH and became more enamored with him when Hopkins had his breakout year at Ohio State. In fact, Snyder pulled rank and took Hopkins despite the fact Jay Gruden didn't want Hopkins.
This is without dispute and completely eliminates WFT as one of
the two teams in Gettleman's fairy tale explanation...
I think you mean Haskins. But we know what you meant and indications were that was true. As far as other teams? Lots of guessing. Wouldn't surprise me either way. At this point doesn't matter IMO. Jones is getting this year at least to show what he has or doesn't have.
Geesh - thanks. My dislike of Haskins is so deep I refused to spell his name correctly... ;)
he's not the only but when an entire offense of players regresses you have to look to the common link, no? Was Slayton not previously a promising WR? Engram's production last year was laughable compared to previous seasons (which were already considered disappointing).
Jones 100% needs to do better too but asking any individual player (even a QB) to make a difference in this offense is like thinking any individual was going to make James Bettcher's defense all of a sudden work.
Slayton was a flawed WR who had a promising rookie year, but let's not overstate his production. DC's also had a year of film on him, and saw that he could be disrupted by physical CB's. DC's also saw how DJ could be confused by post-snap changes in coverage.
As I said, I am far from a Garrett fan, and if he were fired or demoted today, I would pop open a bottle to celebrate, BUT a guy like Dak, a 4th round pick, as a rookie threw for 3,700 yds, 23 TD's and 4 picks running Garrett's offense, so it's not all on Garrett.
And it's not just stats. DJ fails the eye test. A really shaky pocket presence, locks onto WR's, especially on short routes, those are traits that should be solved after 25+ starts. Maybe he'll buck history and be a top starter, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Let me add an actual fact to this because you are way over your skis and need to revisit what ever "reliable" information you think you have.
WFT was NOT drafting Jones. Snyder was taking Hopkins. It was signed, sealed, and delivered. Synder's son went to high school with Hopkins at The Bullis School in Potomac, MD. They played football together. The Snyders became friends with the Hopkins. So Snyder was very fond of DH and became more enamored with him when Hopkins had his breakout year at Ohio State. In fact, Snyder pulled rank and took Hopkins despite the fact Jay Gruden didn't want Hopkins.
This is without dispute and completely eliminates WFT as one of
the two teams in Gettleman's fairy tale explanation...
I think you mean Haskins. But we know what you meant and indications were that was true. As far as other teams? Lots of guessing. Wouldn't surprise me either way. At this point doesn't matter IMO. Jones is getting this year at least to show what he has or doesn't have.
Geesh - thanks. My dislike of Haskins is so deep I refused to spell his name correctly... ;)
something this year. The Giants can't wait until year 4
to truly find about him. Some of the issues haven't changed.
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he's not the only but when an entire offense of players regresses you have to look to the common link, no? Was Slayton not previously a promising WR? Engram's production last year was laughable compared to previous seasons (which were already considered disappointing).
Jones 100% needs to do better too but asking any individual player (even a QB) to make a difference in this offense is like thinking any individual was going to make James Bettcher's defense all of a sudden work.
Slayton was a flawed WR who had a promising rookie year, but let's not overstate his production. DC's also had a year of film on him, and saw that he could be disrupted by physical CB's. DC's also saw how DJ could be confused by post-snap changes in coverage.
As I said, I am far from a Garrett fan, and if he were fired or demoted today, I would pop open a bottle to celebrate, BUT a guy like Dak, a 4th round pick, as a rookie threw for 3,700 yds, 23 TD's and 4 picks running Garrett's offense, so it's not all on Garrett.
And it's not just stats. DJ fails the eye test. A really shaky pocket presence, locks onto WR's, especially on short routes, those are traits that should be solved after 25+ starts. Maybe he'll buck history and be a top starter, but I'll believe it when I see it.
That's a fair argument. Of all the complaints about Jones...I think the most valid one might be that he has David Carr syndrome.
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he's not the only but when an entire offense of players regresses you have to look to the common link, no? Was Slayton not previously a promising WR? Engram's production last year was laughable compared to previous seasons (which were already considered disappointing).
Jones 100% needs to do better too but asking any individual player (even a QB) to make a difference in this offense is like thinking any individual was going to make James Bettcher's defense all of a sudden work.
Slayton was a flawed WR who had a promising rookie year, but let's not overstate his production. DC's also had a year of film on him, and saw that he could be disrupted by physical CB's. DC's also saw how DJ could be confused by post-snap changes in coverage.
As I said, I am far from a Garrett fan, and if he were fired or demoted today, I would pop open a bottle to celebrate, BUT a guy like Dak, a 4th round pick, as a rookie threw for 3,700 yds, 23 TD's and 4 picks running Garrett's offense, so it's not all on Garrett.
And it's not just stats. DJ fails the eye test. A really shaky pocket presence, locks onto WR's, especially on short routes, those are traits that should be solved after 25+ starts. Maybe he'll buck history and be a top starter, but I'll believe it when I see it.
That's a fair argument. Of all the complaints about Jones...I think the most valid one might be that he has David Carr syndrome.
Just hope a mic doesn't pick him up saying he's seeing ghosts