There are seasons where the Giants D looked like they had 12 or 13 people playing on defense and many more games where it looked like just what it is. However, there are also games where it looks like they have 9 or 10 people on defense.
When, as Eric points out, we can't get off the field on third or even fourth down; that is when it looks like we have 9 or 10 on defense.
I thought that this defense would bring us back to the days when we thought we had 12 or 13.
But as Eric says....trends not snapshots.
Heinicke is average at best. Let's make him look that way tonight.
I'm not taking any solace from the fact that we're facing
Which has nothing to do with the Giants historic bad performances against 2nd and 3rd string QBs who are forced into action.
This guy was mighty impressive in Washington's play-off loss to the eventual Super Bowl Champion. He threw for 300 yards and he looked very mobile in the pocket.
RE: The Giants were defeated last week by a team that was 5 and 11
last year in the AFC West. Fans are upset because it looked liked the team was totally unprepared to play that game last Sunday. Also the Broncos best defensive player Chubb did not play.
I'm tired of excuses being made for last week. The Broncos manhandled the Giants last week..it wasn't close....
Even at halftime with the score 10 to 7 I never felt confident we would win that game as we were dominated in the first half.
Shameful performance that both the players and coaches share responsibility for...
Having said all of that...it is a new week and I am rooting for a win against WFT.
what will their excuses be?
I'm tired of seeing the Giants lose, but that's what I anticipate every time they play.
Mara hired Gettleman,then they hired Joe Judge as their head coach. Instead of allowing JJ to hire his staff Gettleman and Mara hired Garrett to become the Offensive Coordinator, and the offence has been wishy-washy during the entire time Garrett has been here.
Their superstar player is as fragile as a porcelain doll, and the QB has a difficult time handling the ball.
The point I'm getting to is that the Giants have been a bad team for a decade, and through the bad decisions from the meddling owner and his hand picked friend who is acting as GM, this team is still going to be bad for several more years.
Mara should sit in his office and let the football people run his team, the only thing he should do is sign their checks.
Gettleman should be fired immediately. Garrett should be fired immediately. Joe Judge should be allowed to run his team the way he wants to run them, without the meddling control of the owner and his friends.
last year in the AFC West. Fans are upset because it looked liked the team was totally unprepared to play that game last Sunday. Also the Broncos best defensive player Chubb did not play.
I'm tired of excuses being made for last week. The Broncos manhandled the Giants last week..it wasn't close....
Even at halftime with the score 10 to 7 I never felt confident we would win that game as we were dominated in the first half.
Shameful performance that both the players and coaches share responsibility for...
Having said all of that...it is a new week and I am rooting for a win against WFT.
I don't think that's accurate. Maybe there are some loud voices, but I think people are frustrated with the offense more than anything.
Otherwise, kind of a weird "preview". It seemed like half the article was spent on ripping fans for criticizing the offensive line, and the other half was excusing the offense's poor showing against Denver on the offensive line. So yeah...
RE: Do the majority of fans really want Judge gone?
I don't think that's accurate. Maybe there are some loud voices, but I think people are frustrated with the offense more than anything.
Otherwise, kind of a weird "preview". It seemed like half the article was spent on ripping fans for criticizing the offensive line, and the other half was excusing the offense's poor showing against Denver on the offensive line. So yeah...
the problem is the way they got here. they have the coach on a different timeline than the GM. if the GM brought in judge, you would think they would have the same fate and then the organization would start over with new people at both positions.
instead it seems like DG gets fired and then what? do they do what they always do and promote from within? abrams sounds clueless to me when it comes to being a GM. i heard his interview with ranaan and was not impressed. they need to hire from completely outside the organization. i mean really just hire someone from the ravens or bucs or SF front office and give that a chance.
and if they do hire a GM from outside the organization, i think it would be fair to give said GM the option to hire his own coach if he so chooses assuming the giants stink this year. i mean if the giants stink this year, what will joe judge really have proven to where he should be kept ob board no matter what?
RE: RE: Do the majority of fans really want Judge gone?
I don't think that's accurate. Maybe there are some loud voices, but I think people are frustrated with the offense more than anything.
Otherwise, kind of a weird "preview". It seemed like half the article was spent on ripping fans for criticizing the offensive line, and the other half was excusing the offense's poor showing against Denver on the offensive line. So yeah...
the problem is the way they got here. they have the coach on a different timeline than the GM. if the GM brought in judge, you would think they would have the same fate and then the organization would start over with new people at both positions.
instead it seems like DG gets fired and then what? do they do what they always do and promote from within? abrams sounds clueless to me when it comes to being a GM. i heard his interview with ranaan and was not impressed. they need to hire from completely outside the organization. i mean really just hire someone from the ravens or bucs or SF front office and give that a chance.
and if they do hire a GM from outside the organization, i think it would be fair to give said GM the option to hire his own coach if he so chooses assuming the giants stink this year. i mean if the giants stink this year, what will joe judge really have proven to where he should be kept ob board no matter what?
I think they should let Judge pick his preferred GM. They should share a vision.
I don't think that's accurate. Maybe there are some loud voices, but I think people are frustrated with the offense more than anything.
Otherwise, kind of a weird "preview". It seemed like half the article was spent on ripping fans for criticizing the offensive line, and the other half was excusing the offense's poor showing against Denver on the offensive line. So yeah...
the problem is the way they got here. they have the coach on a different timeline than the GM. if the GM brought in judge, you would think they would have the same fate and then the organization would start over with new people at both positions.
instead it seems like DG gets fired and then what? do they do what they always do and promote from within? abrams sounds clueless to me when it comes to being a GM. i heard his interview with ranaan and was not impressed. they need to hire from completely outside the organization. i mean really just hire someone from the ravens or bucs or SF front office and give that a chance.
and if they do hire a GM from outside the organization, i think it would be fair to give said GM the option to hire his own coach if he so chooses assuming the giants stink this year. i mean if the giants stink this year, what will joe judge really have proven to where he should be kept ob board no matter what?
I think they should let Judge pick his preferred GM. They should share a vision.
agreed. and the GM and coach should be on the same length of contract too.
To summarize the rest, we need to run for 5 yards on 1st down, and the defense needs to win games for us.
Is it 1990 or 2021? Good Lord.
Then you haven't been on BBI the past few days.
Secondly, there are still teams who win by running the ball and playing good defense, including the Giants during their 4-game winning streak last year.
is a quote from Chase Young about Jones and his fumbling:
“Yeah, we’ve been talking about that for the past few days,” defensive end Chase Young said. “Obviously, he struggled holding the ball in the past, and that’s a big emphasis. Going in on Thursday, that’s definitely something that’s on our radar.”
To summarize the rest, we need to run for 5 yards on 1st down, and the defense needs to win games for us.
Is it 1990 or 2021? Good Lord.
Then you haven't been on BBI the past few days.
Secondly, there are still teams who win by running the ball and playing good defense, including the Giants during their 4-game winning streak last year.
Yes that 4-game winning streak is obviously the blueprint for success around the NFL. Grinding out a 23-20 and 19-17 wins over backup QBs is definitely something to shoot for. As enjoyable as the 17-12 win in Seattle was, that's not really a sustainable plan either.
There's a reason the 2020 Giants led the league in third and long situations... because they were near the top of the league in running the ball on first down.
If the guy running the ball is Daniel Jones (our best running threat), I'm fine with that approach. Otherwise, this offense needs to start throwing the ball on first down as much as possible.
Make Jones's life easier. Peyton Manning said it the other night during the broadcast - their philosophy was to not even get to third down.
Quote:Make Jones's life easier. Peyton Manning said it the other night during the broadcast - their philosophy was to not even get to third down.
Don't forget Peyton's other observation during the game...that Baltimore was daring LV to run the ball, and playing rush the passer/tight coverage.
That's going to be the response to the first point. The current game has changed from "run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer." because of all the rule changes.
Instead of "run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer", the NFL is now "pass the ball, stop the pass, rush the passer". There simply aren't enough competent Offensive Linemen coming out of college to establish a dominant running game for most teams; if you are a great athlete, you're more likely to be a WR/DL/LB than a CB/OL/RB.
The NFL is now looking closer to Arena Ball, because the defenses in Arena Ball were neutered as well to produce more "fan friendly" high scoring games. As in Arena Ball, the emphasis is more on pressuring the passer to create turnovers, since each possession is precious when you can't stop an offense otherwise.
Quote:Make Jones's life easier. Peyton Manning said it the other night during the broadcast - their philosophy was to not even get to third down.
Don't forget Peyton's other observation during the game...that Baltimore was daring LV to run the ball, and playing rush the passer/tight coverage.
That's going to be the response to the first point. The current game has changed from "run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer." because of all the rule changes.
Instead of "run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer", the NFL is now "pass the ball, stop the pass, rush the passer". There simply aren't enough competent Offensive Linemen coming out of college to establish a dominant running game for most teams; if you are a great athlete, you're more likely to be a WR/DL/LB than a CB/OL/RB.
The NFL is now looking closer to Arena Ball, because the defenses in Arena Ball were neutered as well to produce more "fan friendly" high scoring games. As in Arena Ball, the emphasis is more on pressuring the passer to create turnovers, since each possession is precious when you can't stop an offense otherwise.
Well, Gettleman didn't even get the gist on rush the passer for either plan. None of the edge guys we've brought in via free agency or the draft have been up to snuff, while trading JPP wound up shooting ourselves in the foot because JPP rebounded with the Buccaneers while the picks we got from that trade didn't amount to much.
When, as Eric points out, we can't get off the field on third or even fourth down; that is when it looks like we have 9 or 10 on defense.
I thought that this defense would bring us back to the days when we thought we had 12 or 13.
But as Eric says....trends not snapshots.
Heinicke is average at best. Let's make him look that way tonight.
QB Taylor Heinicke.
Which has nothing to do with the Giants historic bad performances against 2nd and 3rd string QBs who are forced into action.
This guy was mighty impressive in Washington's play-off loss to the eventual Super Bowl Champion. He threw for 300 yards and he looked very mobile in the pocket.
I'm tired of excuses being made for last week. The Broncos manhandled the Giants last week..it wasn't close....
Even at halftime with the score 10 to 7 I never felt confident we would win that game as we were dominated in the first half.
Shameful performance that both the players and coaches share responsibility for...
Having said all of that...it is a new week and I am rooting for a win against WFT.
spot on, Rick
I'm tired of seeing the Giants lose, but that's what I anticipate every time they play.
Mara hired Gettleman,then they hired Joe Judge as their head coach. Instead of allowing JJ to hire his staff Gettleman and Mara hired Garrett to become the Offensive Coordinator, and the offence has been wishy-washy during the entire time Garrett has been here.
Their superstar player is as fragile as a porcelain doll, and the QB has a difficult time handling the ball.
The point I'm getting to is that the Giants have been a bad team for a decade, and through the bad decisions from the meddling owner and his hand picked friend who is acting as GM, this team is still going to be bad for several more years.
Mara should sit in his office and let the football people run his team, the only thing he should do is sign their checks.
Gettleman should be fired immediately. Garrett should be fired immediately. Joe Judge should be allowed to run his team the way he wants to run them, without the meddling control of the owner and his friends.
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last year in the AFC West. Fans are upset because it looked liked the team was totally unprepared to play that game last Sunday. Also the Broncos best defensive player Chubb did not play.
I'm tired of excuses being made for last week. The Broncos manhandled the Giants last week..it wasn't close....
Even at halftime with the score 10 to 7 I never felt confident we would win that game as we were dominated in the first half.
Shameful performance that both the players and coaches share responsibility for...
Having said all of that...it is a new week and I am rooting for a win against WFT.
spot on, Rick
+2.
Otherwise, kind of a weird "preview". It seemed like half the article was spent on ripping fans for criticizing the offensive line, and the other half was excusing the offense's poor showing against Denver on the offensive line. So yeah...
Otherwise, kind of a weird "preview". It seemed like half the article was spent on ripping fans for criticizing the offensive line, and the other half was excusing the offense's poor showing against Denver on the offensive line. So yeah...
the problem is the way they got here. they have the coach on a different timeline than the GM. if the GM brought in judge, you would think they would have the same fate and then the organization would start over with new people at both positions.
instead it seems like DG gets fired and then what? do they do what they always do and promote from within? abrams sounds clueless to me when it comes to being a GM. i heard his interview with ranaan and was not impressed. they need to hire from completely outside the organization. i mean really just hire someone from the ravens or bucs or SF front office and give that a chance.
and if they do hire a GM from outside the organization, i think it would be fair to give said GM the option to hire his own coach if he so chooses assuming the giants stink this year. i mean if the giants stink this year, what will joe judge really have proven to where he should be kept ob board no matter what?
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I don't think that's accurate. Maybe there are some loud voices, but I think people are frustrated with the offense more than anything.
Otherwise, kind of a weird "preview". It seemed like half the article was spent on ripping fans for criticizing the offensive line, and the other half was excusing the offense's poor showing against Denver on the offensive line. So yeah...
the problem is the way they got here. they have the coach on a different timeline than the GM. if the GM brought in judge, you would think they would have the same fate and then the organization would start over with new people at both positions.
instead it seems like DG gets fired and then what? do they do what they always do and promote from within? abrams sounds clueless to me when it comes to being a GM. i heard his interview with ranaan and was not impressed. they need to hire from completely outside the organization. i mean really just hire someone from the ravens or bucs or SF front office and give that a chance.
and if they do hire a GM from outside the organization, i think it would be fair to give said GM the option to hire his own coach if he so chooses assuming the giants stink this year. i mean if the giants stink this year, what will joe judge really have proven to where he should be kept ob board no matter what?
I think they should let Judge pick his preferred GM. They should share a vision.
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In comment 15368404 sb from NYT Forum said:
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I don't think that's accurate. Maybe there are some loud voices, but I think people are frustrated with the offense more than anything.
Otherwise, kind of a weird "preview". It seemed like half the article was spent on ripping fans for criticizing the offensive line, and the other half was excusing the offense's poor showing against Denver on the offensive line. So yeah...
the problem is the way they got here. they have the coach on a different timeline than the GM. if the GM brought in judge, you would think they would have the same fate and then the organization would start over with new people at both positions.
instead it seems like DG gets fired and then what? do they do what they always do and promote from within? abrams sounds clueless to me when it comes to being a GM. i heard his interview with ranaan and was not impressed. they need to hire from completely outside the organization. i mean really just hire someone from the ravens or bucs or SF front office and give that a chance.
and if they do hire a GM from outside the organization, i think it would be fair to give said GM the option to hire his own coach if he so chooses assuming the giants stink this year. i mean if the giants stink this year, what will joe judge really have proven to where he should be kept ob board no matter what?
I think they should let Judge pick his preferred GM. They should share a vision.
agreed. and the GM and coach should be on the same length of contract too.
Is it 1990 or 2021? Good Lord.
Is it 1990 or 2021? Good Lord.
Then you haven't been on BBI the past few days.
Secondly, there are still teams who win by running the ball and playing good defense, including the Giants during their 4-game winning streak last year.
“Yeah, we’ve been talking about that for the past few days,” defensive end Chase Young said. “Obviously, he struggled holding the ball in the past, and that’s a big emphasis. Going in on Thursday, that’s definitely something that’s on our radar.”
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To summarize the rest, we need to run for 5 yards on 1st down, and the defense needs to win games for us.
Is it 1990 or 2021? Good Lord.
Then you haven't been on BBI the past few days.
Secondly, there are still teams who win by running the ball and playing good defense, including the Giants during their 4-game winning streak last year.
Yes that 4-game winning streak is obviously the blueprint for success around the NFL. Grinding out a 23-20 and 19-17 wins over backup QBs is definitely something to shoot for. As enjoyable as the 17-12 win in Seattle was, that's not really a sustainable plan either.
If the guy running the ball is Daniel Jones (our best running threat), I'm fine with that approach. Otherwise, this offense needs to start throwing the ball on first down as much as possible.
Make Jones's life easier. Peyton Manning said it the other night during the broadcast - their philosophy was to not even get to third down.
So many people are stuck in the past.
Make Jones's life easier. Peyton Manning said it the other night during the broadcast - their philosophy was to not even get to third down.
So many people are stuck in the past.
What's wrong with you? There are really only three tenets to winning football - run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer. Remember?
Seriously, I did find that point by Manning very interesting the way he said it.
Quote:Make Jones's life easier. Peyton Manning said it the other night during the broadcast - their philosophy was to not even get to third down.
Don't forget Peyton's other observation during the game...that Baltimore was daring LV to run the ball, and playing rush the passer/tight coverage.
That's going to be the response to the first point. The current game has changed from "run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer." because of all the rule changes.
Instead of "run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer", the NFL is now "pass the ball, stop the pass, rush the passer". There simply aren't enough competent Offensive Linemen coming out of college to establish a dominant running game for most teams; if you are a great athlete, you're more likely to be a WR/DL/LB than a CB/OL/RB.
The NFL is now looking closer to Arena Ball, because the defenses in Arena Ball were neutered as well to produce more "fan friendly" high scoring games. As in Arena Ball, the emphasis is more on pressuring the passer to create turnovers, since each possession is precious when you can't stop an offense otherwise.
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In comment 15369018 Go Terps said:
Quote:Make Jones's life easier. Peyton Manning said it the other night during the broadcast - their philosophy was to not even get to third down.
Don't forget Peyton's other observation during the game...that Baltimore was daring LV to run the ball, and playing rush the passer/tight coverage.
That's going to be the response to the first point. The current game has changed from "run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer." because of all the rule changes.
Instead of "run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer", the NFL is now "pass the ball, stop the pass, rush the passer". There simply aren't enough competent Offensive Linemen coming out of college to establish a dominant running game for most teams; if you are a great athlete, you're more likely to be a WR/DL/LB than a CB/OL/RB.
The NFL is now looking closer to Arena Ball, because the defenses in Arena Ball were neutered as well to produce more "fan friendly" high scoring games. As in Arena Ball, the emphasis is more on pressuring the passer to create turnovers, since each possession is precious when you can't stop an offense otherwise.
Well, Gettleman didn't even get the gist on rush the passer for either plan. None of the edge guys we've brought in via free agency or the draft have been up to snuff, while trading JPP wound up shooting ourselves in the foot because JPP rebounded with the Buccaneers while the picks we got from that trade didn't amount to much.